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I was thinking that a Generic Android Tablet Discussion thread would be a good idea. No matter the brand , maker size etc. Talk about them here.
Im debating between the Archos 101 and waiting to see if the Moto tab is good.
Whats Out There
I have been keeping a keen eye out for the variety of higher end tablets and here is what I have sort of come up with so far:
Samsung Tablet (7")
Motorola Stingray (10")
Viewsonic viewpad (7")
LG Optimus pad
SteamTV Elocity pad (7")
Archos Family of pads (3"-10")
They all have there merits, and the minor things that make them not so great. But here is a list of the gamot of features you can look for. Some of the tablets have alot of them, some have none, its basically what you want to do with it:
3G
WIFI
GPS
Bluetooth 2.1 or 3.0
Capacitive Screen
USB port(s)
(Micro) SD card slot
HDMI
G-Sensor
Accelerator meter
Geomagnetic sensor
Light Sensor
Front Camera
Back Camera
Google Apps Integration
NVIDA Tegra 2 versus 1GHx CPU w/ GPU
1024 x 600 resolution versus 800 x 480
RAM
Disk Space
Version of Android (2.2 now 3.0 later)
-MW
I know they are poppping out of the woodwork now. My biggest thing is that the majority are really expensive. Like the new Toshiba announced today is $540. THat is why Either the Cruz or Archos will match all my criteria. But the nice thing is that there seems to be a ton of different options.
Toshiba Folio 100
10.1-inch capacitive touchscreen
1024 x 600
Android 2.2 (Froyo)
NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor
16 GB internal storage (32 GB available SD expansion)
Adobe Flash 10.1
1.3 MP front-facing camera
Mini-HDMI
USB 2.0
Bluetooth 2.1
WLAN (802.11)
Mobile broadband (available Q1 2011)
I've been disappointed with the IFA ones as almost all of them have 3G which means here, onerous data contracts or ridiculous prices w/o.
Archos underwent feature regression(e.g. no GPS), and has some whacked prices for the 70 & 101. The rest seem kind of useless to me too small and at least the smallest two don't have any way of expanding storage which makes them kind of useless as anything other than a portable music player.
The Viewsonic is the Olivepad one? Didn't seem to be all that great.
Toshiba Folio MIGHT have been nice, but that Tegra will likely make it expensive.
...just too many hawking 3G and not enough that have useful extras like higher res cameras, GPS, mics, and maybe bluetooth... i.e. I'm just meh'ed by IFA offerings... Witstech A81-E is still looking good and they just got another new fw release 8/31...
Good catch, forgot the toshiba one. Here is what I am looking for a tablet:
3G (mainly so I can have google apps)
7" Display
Capacitive screen (OMLED prefered)
1024 x 600
Android 2.2 upgradeable to android 3.0
front camera
1 GHz CPU (perferably the tegra 2)
GPU (if no NVIDIA CPU)
front camera (dont care about a back one)
A-GPS
Bluetooth (at least 2.1)
WIFI B/G/N
USB
8+ GB internal storage
SD card slot is nice but not manditory
HDMI is nice but not manditory
Which matches up with the samsung tab, but the British price I found had it at over 600 British pounds, which converts to over 1000 US dollars.
-MW
mothy said:
I know they are poppping out of the woodwork now. My biggest thing is that the majority are really expensive. Like the new Toshiba announced today is $540. THat is why Either the Cruz or Archos will match all my criteria. But the nice thing is that there seems to be a ton of different options.
Toshiba Folio 100
10.1-inch capacitive touchscreen
1024 x 600
Android 2.2 (Froyo)
NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor
16 GB internal storage (32 GB available SD expansion)
Adobe Flash 10.1
1.3 MP front-facing camera
Mini-HDMI
USB 2.0
Bluetooth 2.1
WLAN (802.11)
Mobile broadband (available Q1 2011)
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Damn that is expensive.
Im mainly looking for a ereader, web surfer, watch some videos on trips, and check my gapps when on wifi.
Check out the stream tv elocity pad. No 3g, but no gps ether. the reason why everyone puts on 3g is because it's the only way to get google apps on it, until google changes their requirements for google apps.
-MW
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My wishlist is 2ghz processor at least 50gb harddrive maybe even (dare I say it) windows 7. I would like my tablet to replace my laptop. Android just isn't ready yet.
I saw talks of honeycomb [url="http://phandroid.com/2010/09/02/android-3-5-honeycomb-to-be-on-samsungs-next-generation-of-tablets-in-2011/]"here[/url] on the samsung tablet. That might be nice . Or that isn't going to be outdated in a few months
Asadullah said:
My wishlist is 2ghz processor at least 50gb harddrive maybe even (dare I say it) windows 7. I would like my tablet to replace my laptop. Android just isn't ready yet.
I saw talks of honeycomb [url="http://phandroid.com/2010/09/02/android-3-5-honeycomb-to-be-on-samsungs-next-generation-of-tablets-in-2011/]"here[/url] on the samsung tablet. That might be nice . Or that isn't going to be outdated in a few months
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I think a 2Ghz CPU, as of right now, is over powered for android. I have a Gentouch78 tablet that runs at 600MHz and it seems to run OK. My 1GHz nexus one has had no issues, and I have it multi tasking several apps at once sometimes. It will get really hot, especially when I toss the car charger on it while its doing all that, but never seen it slow down to unresponsiveness. As for the HDD space. I dont use mine much for multi media, so 50gb would be overdoing it for me. Just the ability to have an SD card slot would be enough for me, that right there is 32 gb.
Now dealing with the android OS itself, this is where things are starting to get wierd. You have 2.2, which is really a phone OS, you have 3.0 which is really a tablet OS, and so the current samsung tablet is supposed to be 2.2 and will get 3.0, but now this 3.5 is where it gets confusing. Some of the stuff I have been reading is stating that 3.5 is going to be an entirely different OS completly, or at least have an entirely different usage beyond that of a tablet or cell phone. And that you will have to buy an entirely new piece of hardware to use it because samsung already said their current tablet wont get 3.5 when it comes out, but i twill get 3.0. This is making me think that 3.5 may be the google chrome OS, which from what I am hearing I am not a total fan of. So basically, the idea as I understand it, is that the hardware will just be the input/output device and all the applications will be stored on teh cloud as well as the work being done will be done on the cloud. This is all nice and dandy until either 1) everyone gets on all at once and bogs down the system or 2) the cloud or network goes down and the device is worthless. Thats why I like android right now. If you have no data connection you can still do work. Now some things on android that do run off the cloud, like the GPS, if you need to reroute and you loose the data connection, since all the work is done on the back end you cant get anywhere until the data connection comes back.
Since Android is a full fledge Linux OS I think it can do whatever you need it to do, you just need to port the apps over. So i think it can replace a laptop, but there will always be certain things that make a laptop easier to use that are unrelated to the android OS, like a real keyboard. With phones, for instance, I still feel more comfortable texting on a physical keyboard on my blackberry then I do on the virtual keyboard on my nexus one. Now can I develope a web page, photoshop some images and toss them on the web page, with android? If they ported the apps over then sure why not, the physical keyboard will just make it easier. But as soon as you start talking windows 7 you are changing the entire hardware requirements (ARM CPU versus an x86 CPU) which will allow you to run your favorite web development software and photo editing software, and now your 50gb of disk space will be all chewed up with the OS and applications but no room for media, and with the new hardware requirements the price goes up (not like the samsung tab isnt expensive either) but then the bottom line is its still awkward to use because of the lack of a physical keyboard.
Now I am just using web development/photo editing as an example, simplier tasks, like email and web surfing, will require less and are easily done on the android OS. But the bottom line is to use the right tool for the right job, outline your requirements and find a solution that best fits your needs. I believe that android will be a decent laptop replacement if all your doing with your laptop is surfing the web and sending email but if your trying to do less casual stuff, like photo editing and web development, then android right now is obviously not enough, but in the future it might be. It goes back to the age old question, does hardware push the software industry, or does software push the hardware industry?
-MW
Here is the Archos 101 in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZD4Mdkt40g
You can see all the new Archos line in action here:
http://archosfans.com/
Nice...
@mothy: They're all very nice and all..but taking out the GPS is like taking a step back.....Price is nice, but I'm sure there'll be cheaper WITH GPS before too long.
marcelol said:
@mothy: They're all very nice and all..but taking out the GPS is like taking a step back.....Price is nice, but I'm sure there'll be cheaper WITH GPS before too long.
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maybe..but for me I have no use for GPS on a tablet....but that is just me. Just like all new technologies price points will get better with maturity of product.
Hello, I am newbie in using (or just having) android tablet and I am seeking one that will suits me. I found this one
Code:
gpccn.com/picshow.asp?id=31&fl=Tablet%20pc
and like it.
I want
capacitive multitouch screen
fast CPU
7 to 10 inch screen
HDMI, USB, G-sensor etc
It looks that this device have all of this, but it has just 512MB nand and it has 1366x768 and I dont know if nand will be enough and if there will be any use for such high resolution if there is no possibilities for using market
What do you thing? Is there anybody who knows this company? Anybody with tablet 1366x768?
Thanks for any reply
ondrapopik said:
Hello, I am newbie in using (or just having) android tablet and I am seeking one that will suits me. I found this one
Code:
gpccn.com/picshow.asp?id=31&fl=Tablet%20pc
and like it.
I want
capacitive multitouch screen
fast CPU
7 to 10 inch screen
HDMI, USB, G-sensor etc
It looks that this device have all of this, but it has just 512MB nand and it has 1366x768 and I dont know if nand will be enough and if there will be any use for such high resolution if there is no possibilities for using market
What do you thing? Is there anybody who knows this company? Anybody with tablet 1366x768?
Thanks for any reply
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Hmmm.... looks like they took a screenshot of an android VM running on ubuntu and photoshopped it into their device. If they don't have any pictures of the tablet in action, I'd be really dubious...
Finally I ordered this one, so will post some review when it arrives.
So I tested tablet I ordered few weeks ago and realized that this is the same device as Advent Vega. I test quadrant benchmark and got 2200 points without any customization of rom.
Screen is nice and response is fast. I can recommend this one.
ondrapopik said:
So I tested tablet I ordered few weeks ago and realized that this is the same device as Advent Vega. I test quadrant benchmark and got 2200 points without any customization of rom.
Screen is nice and response is fast. I can recommend this one.
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Can you tell us where you got it from please? Thanks.
Itaintrite said:
Can you tell us where you got it from please? Thanks.
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I found it on alibaba.com ( w w w . alibaba. com/product-tp/111757797/Nvidia_10Inch_tablet_PC_with_Capacitive.html ) or you can try web I posted before
A new technology startup, Stella Mira, is entering the compact computing arena with their new device, the Pocket Console. Like many other flash drive sized mini computers we have seen lately, the Pocket Console features an Arm Allwinner A10 chip clocked at 1.5GHz, along with 1GB of Ram and Wi-Fi built on board. It also includes Bluetooth 2.1 connectivity, like the FXI Cotton Candy. And 8GB of flash storage, which is double that of the popular MK802 mini computer. Best of all it's priced at $129, which although being priced higher than the MK802, is still significantly cheaper than the Cotton Candy. The device also features 3 full sized USB 2.0 ports, 1 mini USB port, and a microSD card slot. And, of course, an HDMI port, enabling it to connect to practically any screen around. As far as software goes, the device runs Mira's customized version of android four dot zero, which is said to include a variety of popular apps preloaded such as spotify and angry birds along with support for the most popular game pads, and emulators are built right into it. Stella Mira has also announced that they will begin accepting pre orders in September for a 3G capable version of the Pocket Console. You can also buy a dock like accessory for your Pocket Console, unsurprisingly called the Pocket Dock which comes pre loaded with your favorite Linux distro (granted it can run on the Pocket Console). Stella Mira's website claims that they have built customized versions of both Lubuntu 12.04 and Ubuntu 12.04 that run "beautifully". Not much information is given of what these customized versions entail so that remains to be seen in the near future. I have reached out to Stella Mira and am awaiting more information on the Pocket Console and Pocket Dock. Until I hear back, the Pocket Console seems to be a really great contender in the mini pc market and for $129 I really don't think you could regret giving it a try, I know I certainly will.
Couple of corrections, it's not a 1.5 ghz a10 cpu it is actually a 1 ghz single core a8 cpu and mali 400 gpu. It is the board that is called an a10 as in allwinner a10.
The 1.5 ghz comes from people adding the gpu and cpu frequencies together. If you see the ebay page you will see this is how they arrive at that clock speed but it isn't actually that speed.
The 3G version is to be nearly $200 and even at $129 for basic four gig version with no extras this will be dearer than the next mk802 yet have the same specs.
Unless it sells for as good or better price than the next mk will do, the mira pc won't do as well not least because it only ships to usa and is dearer than similar spec products.
It isn't really offering anything new other than bluetooth (which new mk will apparently have) and the dock.
It is a nice design but as, when it begins shipping (and even then only to some who order early because others have to wait) there will be equally specced devices cheaper, it will need more than it has to create a lot of orders.
It certainly needs to be available in europe and start a little lower in price and to make more advertising advantage of its heatsink feature (if its promo pics are accurate it may have one).
Dave
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tradesteady said:
Yes, Get to know that the Android Mini PC factory will also released the 3G mini pc, and it will arm with dual core,the price not in public yet just wait and see...
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Your link doesn't show anything other than 3G modems. How does that pertain to the op's hdmi pc post?
Dave
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As an observation, The MK802 already does have bluetooth possibility. just not in the stock firmware. I am running lubuntu on mine, and bluetooth works just fine. And as others have already stated, all the allwinner a10 devices are really only 1.0ghz not 1.5. I don't see anything with this new device worth spending almost double the $68 my MK802 cost me.
Just to get it out there, I'm not a complete idiot, obviously this is debatable due to architectural differences and what have you but I think we're at the stage where modern phones can hold their own against the average PC.
For example my laptop (AMD-E450 1.65GHz dual/Radeon 6850/4GB RAM) plays 1080p video with a lot to be desired. YouTube 1080p plays at low fps, and local 1080p is just straight up lag.
A lot of our devices today can breeze through such tasks without breaking a sweat and we take it for granted!
What do you think? Is your smartphone 'faster' than your PC?
I was thinking the exact same thing the other day, while I agree with the different architectures between phone and PC, my phones blow it to hell as far as YouTube is concerned. Same as you really, sluggish lag on PC when handling 1080p but on my smaller devices it's a breeze. And my pc is not low end nor high end by any means.
Sometimes my Smartphone is faster even than my PC, who has a AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE processor, 4GB of RAM. But of course I can't complain too much because I am on my PC one of heavy users, and on my smartphone - not. And on the future perhaps I will upgrade my PC (especially RAM) :silly:
When comparing raw performance, x86 will almost always beat out ARM (the type of processor in your phone). When comparing performance per watt, ARM beats x86 -- that's why your phone usually outlasts your laptop.
However, there are a few other different reasons for the gap in performance.
1 - Hardware decoders. Most smartphones, in order to save CPU power and wattage, include video decoders in the hardware. That way, whenever you want to watch a YouTube video, the dedicated chip takes care of the processing and CPU usage remains minimal. On the PC side, hardware video decoders usually only appear in some types of video cards. Chances are, if you have a cheap, $349 notebook, you've got minimal processing power to start with, and the CPU gets stuck with everything.
2 - Software. If you took the same computer you have today and put a Linux distribution on it, you'd probably get better raw performance than Windows with the usual Windows overhead + PC maker crapware + spyware infections + whatever other applications are in the background combination I usually see. I say "probably better" because there are always PCs with hardware that isn't fully supported yet, which causes performance issues particularly when it comes to video hardware.
i have been thinking of this for some time now. but compared to my computer, my computer is way faster with an intel i7 2700k and a radeon hd 7870 but compared to some laptops and low end desktops our phones can handle just about the same thing that they can handle. our phones can play some nice graphic games like real racing 3. im sure that game would make some low end computers lag at playing that game
not fast but i can play amazing spiderman and the dark knight in my phone
but cant play it in my pc :/
I have no idea, as Android still can't run Windows games. (What I wouldnt give to be able to run Skyrim on my tab... Splashtop is useless without wifi.) But the blame for that lies with game developers, not Google or Android itself.
I need to replace the gpu in my laptop as it's starting to become a bottleneck, (gt 130m), but other than, my laptop is probably faster.
Also, screen resolution on my phone is WAY lower than my computer, so it's a seriously unfair comparison, lower resolution always means higher framerate, as it has to render less.
On an 1280x800 screen, it only has to render 74% of a Full HD video, as opposed to the full 100% (and more) on a 1920x1400 screen.
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yeah , my pc is just like a slow runner(need to find new one !!!!) , my new xperia is just like ALIENWARE !! Thanks SONY Corporation
I think PC is faster. My alienware beats the s**t out of my note 2 anyday.
My PC is faster.
I can certainly see that this is not the case for everyone. My friend's laptop can't run a DS emulator very well, my phone can at about 2/3 speed, and my PC can at full speed.
My PC can run both an HD Game of Thrones rip (we own it on Blu Ray) and run the Dolphin Game Cube emulator playing Twilight Princess at full speed - at the same time.
And it's not even that great a PC - it's just a mid-range gaming set-up that I built because I wanted to play GW2 and Skyrim (not the most demanding games) at maximum shininess.
Did some googling and it appears today's phone CPUs would be equal to about a Pentium D computationally.
You need a few more generations to really close the gap. Any perceptions of them being faster is based on the overall architecture of the phones.
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crayz9000 said:
When comparing raw performance, x86 will almost always beat out ARM (the type of processor in your phone). When comparing performance per watt, ARM beats x86 -- that's why your phone usually outlasts your laptop.
However, there are a few other different reasons for the gap in performance.
1 - Hardware decoders. Most smartphones, in order to save CPU power and wattage, include video decoders in the hardware. That way, whenever you want to watch a YouTube video, the dedicated chip takes care of the processing and CPU usage remains minimal. On the PC side, hardware video decoders usually only appear in some types of video cards. Chances are, if you have a cheap, $349 notebook, you've got minimal processing power to start with, and the CPU gets stuck with everything.
2 - Software. If you took the same computer you have today and put a Linux distribution on it, you'd probably get better raw performance than Windows with the usual Windows overhead + PC maker crapware + spyware infections + whatever other applications are in the background combination I usually see. I say "probably better" because there are always PCs with hardware that isn't fully supported yet, which causes performance issues particularly when it comes to video hardware.
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to add to what this poster has already stated:
3 - Possessor Channels. They are kinda like interstate highways for programming languages that pass information that is recognized as a supported without a whole lot of extra emulation or superfluous handling. Apparently ARM has many more channels than IBM or AMD; google it and be surprised.
4 - Openstack. Why compare differences and get all caught up with what can and can't be done on an individual hardware set-up(s), instead lets join them all together into one virtual machine and never worry about speed or ram again.. this is what I'm working on and there is promise that one day we will all be able to run any program or operating system with any collection of old hardware.
my HOX now with viperx 3.6 is iqual in speed to my laptop.(lenovo p4)
My pc still faster
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Yeah I agree my HTC is faster than my old P4 Windows XP.
Well, yes. Nexus One 1GHZ 512MB RAM vs Athon 850Mhz 364MB RAM
My htc desire plays 720p 10x faster than my P4 desktop. It's a real shame, my mother paid 3 grand for that HP back in 2004. Look at the progression of technology...
It's a shame that my phone faster than my PC ,, but thanks to my PC i can finish my assignments faster.. can i use phone to do it ?LoL :what:
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Hi guys,
I couldn't find searching but is there any smartphone yet that support full desktop os? like Linux mint or windows 7?
or may be a list of such phones!!
I mean now that we have tons of phone with high configurations like Snapdragon 800 based phone (2.2 GHz quad core cpu, 2GB ram, 32GB rom). installing desktop os should be just matter of someone to figures out boot-loader properly. if ARM architecture is a problem, then we have tons of phone with x86 based cpu as well. (like Asus ZenFone 5 or 6 with Intel Z2580) these cups supports full x86 instruction set MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3 and all that.
the reason i'm looking for is, to use it as Single Board Computer. I mean a cellphone is much painless to to carry then a HummingBoard or Banana Pi box. there are bunch of commercial Single Board Computer that comes with desktop os it like "utilite2" but none of them are as slick and stylist as a modern cellphone! plus phone has its own power source and cellular wireless. and not mention its own display for the case when i'm unable to find a monitor.
so any suggestion?
thanks
BTW, each forum (including device forums) has a Q&A/Help/Troubleshooting section where questions should be asked. I expect a mod to move this one here soon.
Is our device suited for the purpose of productivity? Is our device worth it for the Maru Custom ROM??? What do you guys think? Will it work well on our device?
If you haven't heard of it, check it out at:
http://maruos.com/#/
It sounds AWESOME....
Well, I think Maru OS is rather pointless on the class of hardware the Tab 2 represents.
Why?
Let us take a look at it this way: The BeagleBone Black ARM board features similar specs to the Galaxy Tab 2 ... Ti Sitara AM335x Cortex-A8 Dual-Core at 1GHz, PowerVR SGX 530 GPU, 1GB RAM - not a exact match but very close to what makes the Tab 2 tick.
Boot the BeagleBone Black into a graphical Linux environment (i.e. Ubuntu ARM) and _TRY_ to do something productive in it. Chances are you're going to throw a temper tantrum after a few minutes because it runs like molasses. Apart from that, the Tab 2 doesn't have the required functionality to put it into a "Dock" and make it display something on a externally connected monitor (most of the ARM boards at least come with a HDMI connector and USB ports for connecting up a keyboard and mouse).
Don't get me wrong, Maru OS is a great idea - it's just no option for old under-powered devices also lacking the required interfaces to connect a external display to them. In terms of performance and productivity on a portable device you're way better off with a cheapo Chromebook (though I'm not sure if they feature a HDMI or DisplayPort connector).
BoneWithABeagle said:
Well, I think Maru OS is rather pointless on the class of hardware the Tab 2 represents.
Why?
Let us take a look at it this way: The BeagleBone Black ARM board features similar specs to the Galaxy Tab 2 ... Ti Sitara AM335x Cortex-A8 Dual-Core at 1GHz, PowerVR SGX 530 GPU, 1GB RAM - not a exact match but very close to what makes the Tab 2 tick.
Boot the BeagleBone Black into a graphical Linux environment (i.e. Ubuntu ARM) and _TRY_ to do something productive in it. Chances are you're going to throw a temper tantrum after a few minutes because it runs like molasses. Apart from that, the Tab 2 doesn't have the required functionality to put it into a "Dock" and make it display something on a externally connected monitor (most of the ARM boards at least come with a HDMI connector and USB ports for connecting up a keyboard and mouse).
Don't get me wrong, Maru OS is a great idea - it's just no option for old under-powered devices also lacking the required interfaces to connect a external display to them. In terms of performance and productivity on a portable device you're way better off with a cheapo Chromebook (though I'm not sure if they feature a HDMI or DisplayPort connector).
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What ROM do you use on your device? Just asking. Am sticking to CM 13.
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What ROM do you use on your device? Just asking. Am sticking to CM 13.
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I sold my Tab 2 to a friend of mine quite a while ago. However, it is running Kit Kat because that was the last custom ROM on which BlueTooth audio at least still worked ("Dock Audio" last worked on CM10.1), since he's using the Tablet as a DLNA endpoint connected to his stereo to stream music to it is rather important that headphone (line connection to his amp), WiFi and BlueTooth audio works as intended.
I'm actually using a Nexus 10 I picked up for cheap ever since I gave away the 3110.