I was thinking that a Generic Android Tablet Discussion thread would be a good idea. No matter the brand , maker size etc. Talk about them here.
Im debating between the Archos 101 and waiting to see if the Moto tab is good.
Whats Out There
I have been keeping a keen eye out for the variety of higher end tablets and here is what I have sort of come up with so far:
Samsung Tablet (7")
Motorola Stingray (10")
Viewsonic viewpad (7")
LG Optimus pad
SteamTV Elocity pad (7")
Archos Family of pads (3"-10")
They all have there merits, and the minor things that make them not so great. But here is a list of the gamot of features you can look for. Some of the tablets have alot of them, some have none, its basically what you want to do with it:
3G
WIFI
GPS
Bluetooth 2.1 or 3.0
Capacitive Screen
USB port(s)
(Micro) SD card slot
HDMI
G-Sensor
Accelerator meter
Geomagnetic sensor
Light Sensor
Front Camera
Back Camera
Google Apps Integration
NVIDA Tegra 2 versus 1GHx CPU w/ GPU
1024 x 600 resolution versus 800 x 480
RAM
Disk Space
Version of Android (2.2 now 3.0 later)
-MW
I know they are poppping out of the woodwork now. My biggest thing is that the majority are really expensive. Like the new Toshiba announced today is $540. THat is why Either the Cruz or Archos will match all my criteria. But the nice thing is that there seems to be a ton of different options.
Toshiba Folio 100
10.1-inch capacitive touchscreen
1024 x 600
Android 2.2 (Froyo)
NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor
16 GB internal storage (32 GB available SD expansion)
Adobe Flash 10.1
1.3 MP front-facing camera
Mini-HDMI
USB 2.0
Bluetooth 2.1
WLAN (802.11)
Mobile broadband (available Q1 2011)
I've been disappointed with the IFA ones as almost all of them have 3G which means here, onerous data contracts or ridiculous prices w/o.
Archos underwent feature regression(e.g. no GPS), and has some whacked prices for the 70 & 101. The rest seem kind of useless to me too small and at least the smallest two don't have any way of expanding storage which makes them kind of useless as anything other than a portable music player.
The Viewsonic is the Olivepad one? Didn't seem to be all that great.
Toshiba Folio MIGHT have been nice, but that Tegra will likely make it expensive.
...just too many hawking 3G and not enough that have useful extras like higher res cameras, GPS, mics, and maybe bluetooth... i.e. I'm just meh'ed by IFA offerings... Witstech A81-E is still looking good and they just got another new fw release 8/31...
Good catch, forgot the toshiba one. Here is what I am looking for a tablet:
3G (mainly so I can have google apps)
7" Display
Capacitive screen (OMLED prefered)
1024 x 600
Android 2.2 upgradeable to android 3.0
front camera
1 GHz CPU (perferably the tegra 2)
GPU (if no NVIDIA CPU)
front camera (dont care about a back one)
A-GPS
Bluetooth (at least 2.1)
WIFI B/G/N
USB
8+ GB internal storage
SD card slot is nice but not manditory
HDMI is nice but not manditory
Which matches up with the samsung tab, but the British price I found had it at over 600 British pounds, which converts to over 1000 US dollars.
-MW
mothy said:
I know they are poppping out of the woodwork now. My biggest thing is that the majority are really expensive. Like the new Toshiba announced today is $540. THat is why Either the Cruz or Archos will match all my criteria. But the nice thing is that there seems to be a ton of different options.
Toshiba Folio 100
10.1-inch capacitive touchscreen
1024 x 600
Android 2.2 (Froyo)
NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor
16 GB internal storage (32 GB available SD expansion)
Adobe Flash 10.1
1.3 MP front-facing camera
Mini-HDMI
USB 2.0
Bluetooth 2.1
WLAN (802.11)
Mobile broadband (available Q1 2011)
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Damn that is expensive.
Im mainly looking for a ereader, web surfer, watch some videos on trips, and check my gapps when on wifi.
Check out the stream tv elocity pad. No 3g, but no gps ether. the reason why everyone puts on 3g is because it's the only way to get google apps on it, until google changes their requirements for google apps.
-MW
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My wishlist is 2ghz processor at least 50gb harddrive maybe even (dare I say it) windows 7. I would like my tablet to replace my laptop. Android just isn't ready yet.
I saw talks of honeycomb [url="http://phandroid.com/2010/09/02/android-3-5-honeycomb-to-be-on-samsungs-next-generation-of-tablets-in-2011/]"here[/url] on the samsung tablet. That might be nice . Or that isn't going to be outdated in a few months
Asadullah said:
My wishlist is 2ghz processor at least 50gb harddrive maybe even (dare I say it) windows 7. I would like my tablet to replace my laptop. Android just isn't ready yet.
I saw talks of honeycomb [url="http://phandroid.com/2010/09/02/android-3-5-honeycomb-to-be-on-samsungs-next-generation-of-tablets-in-2011/]"here[/url] on the samsung tablet. That might be nice . Or that isn't going to be outdated in a few months
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I think a 2Ghz CPU, as of right now, is over powered for android. I have a Gentouch78 tablet that runs at 600MHz and it seems to run OK. My 1GHz nexus one has had no issues, and I have it multi tasking several apps at once sometimes. It will get really hot, especially when I toss the car charger on it while its doing all that, but never seen it slow down to unresponsiveness. As for the HDD space. I dont use mine much for multi media, so 50gb would be overdoing it for me. Just the ability to have an SD card slot would be enough for me, that right there is 32 gb.
Now dealing with the android OS itself, this is where things are starting to get wierd. You have 2.2, which is really a phone OS, you have 3.0 which is really a tablet OS, and so the current samsung tablet is supposed to be 2.2 and will get 3.0, but now this 3.5 is where it gets confusing. Some of the stuff I have been reading is stating that 3.5 is going to be an entirely different OS completly, or at least have an entirely different usage beyond that of a tablet or cell phone. And that you will have to buy an entirely new piece of hardware to use it because samsung already said their current tablet wont get 3.5 when it comes out, but i twill get 3.0. This is making me think that 3.5 may be the google chrome OS, which from what I am hearing I am not a total fan of. So basically, the idea as I understand it, is that the hardware will just be the input/output device and all the applications will be stored on teh cloud as well as the work being done will be done on the cloud. This is all nice and dandy until either 1) everyone gets on all at once and bogs down the system or 2) the cloud or network goes down and the device is worthless. Thats why I like android right now. If you have no data connection you can still do work. Now some things on android that do run off the cloud, like the GPS, if you need to reroute and you loose the data connection, since all the work is done on the back end you cant get anywhere until the data connection comes back.
Since Android is a full fledge Linux OS I think it can do whatever you need it to do, you just need to port the apps over. So i think it can replace a laptop, but there will always be certain things that make a laptop easier to use that are unrelated to the android OS, like a real keyboard. With phones, for instance, I still feel more comfortable texting on a physical keyboard on my blackberry then I do on the virtual keyboard on my nexus one. Now can I develope a web page, photoshop some images and toss them on the web page, with android? If they ported the apps over then sure why not, the physical keyboard will just make it easier. But as soon as you start talking windows 7 you are changing the entire hardware requirements (ARM CPU versus an x86 CPU) which will allow you to run your favorite web development software and photo editing software, and now your 50gb of disk space will be all chewed up with the OS and applications but no room for media, and with the new hardware requirements the price goes up (not like the samsung tab isnt expensive either) but then the bottom line is its still awkward to use because of the lack of a physical keyboard.
Now I am just using web development/photo editing as an example, simplier tasks, like email and web surfing, will require less and are easily done on the android OS. But the bottom line is to use the right tool for the right job, outline your requirements and find a solution that best fits your needs. I believe that android will be a decent laptop replacement if all your doing with your laptop is surfing the web and sending email but if your trying to do less casual stuff, like photo editing and web development, then android right now is obviously not enough, but in the future it might be. It goes back to the age old question, does hardware push the software industry, or does software push the hardware industry?
-MW
Here is the Archos 101 in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZD4Mdkt40g
You can see all the new Archos line in action here:
http://archosfans.com/
Nice...
@mothy: They're all very nice and all..but taking out the GPS is like taking a step back.....Price is nice, but I'm sure there'll be cheaper WITH GPS before too long.
marcelol said:
@mothy: They're all very nice and all..but taking out the GPS is like taking a step back.....Price is nice, but I'm sure there'll be cheaper WITH GPS before too long.
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maybe..but for me I have no use for GPS on a tablet....but that is just me. Just like all new technologies price points will get better with maturity of product.
Hello, I am newbie in using (or just having) android tablet and I am seeking one that will suits me. I found this one
Code:
gpccn.com/picshow.asp?id=31&fl=Tablet%20pc
and like it.
I want
capacitive multitouch screen
fast CPU
7 to 10 inch screen
HDMI, USB, G-sensor etc
It looks that this device have all of this, but it has just 512MB nand and it has 1366x768 and I dont know if nand will be enough and if there will be any use for such high resolution if there is no possibilities for using market
What do you thing? Is there anybody who knows this company? Anybody with tablet 1366x768?
Thanks for any reply
ondrapopik said:
Hello, I am newbie in using (or just having) android tablet and I am seeking one that will suits me. I found this one
Code:
gpccn.com/picshow.asp?id=31&fl=Tablet%20pc
and like it.
I want
capacitive multitouch screen
fast CPU
7 to 10 inch screen
HDMI, USB, G-sensor etc
It looks that this device have all of this, but it has just 512MB nand and it has 1366x768 and I dont know if nand will be enough and if there will be any use for such high resolution if there is no possibilities for using market
What do you thing? Is there anybody who knows this company? Anybody with tablet 1366x768?
Thanks for any reply
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Hmmm.... looks like they took a screenshot of an android VM running on ubuntu and photoshopped it into their device. If they don't have any pictures of the tablet in action, I'd be really dubious...
Finally I ordered this one, so will post some review when it arrives.
So I tested tablet I ordered few weeks ago and realized that this is the same device as Advent Vega. I test quadrant benchmark and got 2200 points without any customization of rom.
Screen is nice and response is fast. I can recommend this one.
ondrapopik said:
So I tested tablet I ordered few weeks ago and realized that this is the same device as Advent Vega. I test quadrant benchmark and got 2200 points without any customization of rom.
Screen is nice and response is fast. I can recommend this one.
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Can you tell us where you got it from please? Thanks.
Itaintrite said:
Can you tell us where you got it from please? Thanks.
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I found it on alibaba.com ( w w w . alibaba. com/product-tp/111757797/Nvidia_10Inch_tablet_PC_with_Capacitive.html ) or you can try web I posted before
Is it possible to get andriod running on native x86 architecture? If so how many of you guys would be willing to shell out cash to get a gaming system powered by google and steam?
Specs would likely be a tri core processor on the entry model, packed with 3 gb ddr, a 5770 gpu, and a low profile mod, wifi, 1tb hdd, 2 usb, fiber optical out, coaxial in, hdmi, bluetooth.
Just theoretically, if someone came out with a device like this, how much would you be willing to pay for it? It would have no screen, and would work in hd on tv, record video etc. Would you want to buy it at wll?
Also say if yiu will there are three builds of this device with similar specs, but more ram and a bettercpu for a higher pricepoint. Which model would you get, low end, mid end, or high end . Gpu remaine the same as to have a stable experience across the board.
Several people have already ported Android to x86 (such as here for example). APP_ABI := x86 is even one of the options you can put in your Application.mk when building an app.
Is there Android support of NDK to the x86 version of Android?
A new technology startup, Stella Mira, is entering the compact computing arena with their new device, the Pocket Console. Like many other flash drive sized mini computers we have seen lately, the Pocket Console features an Arm Allwinner A10 chip clocked at 1.5GHz, along with 1GB of Ram and Wi-Fi built on board. It also includes Bluetooth 2.1 connectivity, like the FXI Cotton Candy. And 8GB of flash storage, which is double that of the popular MK802 mini computer. Best of all it's priced at $129, which although being priced higher than the MK802, is still significantly cheaper than the Cotton Candy. The device also features 3 full sized USB 2.0 ports, 1 mini USB port, and a microSD card slot. And, of course, an HDMI port, enabling it to connect to practically any screen around. As far as software goes, the device runs Mira's customized version of android four dot zero, which is said to include a variety of popular apps preloaded such as spotify and angry birds along with support for the most popular game pads, and emulators are built right into it. Stella Mira has also announced that they will begin accepting pre orders in September for a 3G capable version of the Pocket Console. You can also buy a dock like accessory for your Pocket Console, unsurprisingly called the Pocket Dock which comes pre loaded with your favorite Linux distro (granted it can run on the Pocket Console). Stella Mira's website claims that they have built customized versions of both Lubuntu 12.04 and Ubuntu 12.04 that run "beautifully". Not much information is given of what these customized versions entail so that remains to be seen in the near future. I have reached out to Stella Mira and am awaiting more information on the Pocket Console and Pocket Dock. Until I hear back, the Pocket Console seems to be a really great contender in the mini pc market and for $129 I really don't think you could regret giving it a try, I know I certainly will.
Couple of corrections, it's not a 1.5 ghz a10 cpu it is actually a 1 ghz single core a8 cpu and mali 400 gpu. It is the board that is called an a10 as in allwinner a10.
The 1.5 ghz comes from people adding the gpu and cpu frequencies together. If you see the ebay page you will see this is how they arrive at that clock speed but it isn't actually that speed.
The 3G version is to be nearly $200 and even at $129 for basic four gig version with no extras this will be dearer than the next mk802 yet have the same specs.
Unless it sells for as good or better price than the next mk will do, the mira pc won't do as well not least because it only ships to usa and is dearer than similar spec products.
It isn't really offering anything new other than bluetooth (which new mk will apparently have) and the dock.
It is a nice design but as, when it begins shipping (and even then only to some who order early because others have to wait) there will be equally specced devices cheaper, it will need more than it has to create a lot of orders.
It certainly needs to be available in europe and start a little lower in price and to make more advertising advantage of its heatsink feature (if its promo pics are accurate it may have one).
Dave
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tradesteady said:
Yes, Get to know that the Android Mini PC factory will also released the 3G mini pc, and it will arm with dual core,the price not in public yet just wait and see...
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Your link doesn't show anything other than 3G modems. How does that pertain to the op's hdmi pc post?
Dave
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As an observation, The MK802 already does have bluetooth possibility. just not in the stock firmware. I am running lubuntu on mine, and bluetooth works just fine. And as others have already stated, all the allwinner a10 devices are really only 1.0ghz not 1.5. I don't see anything with this new device worth spending almost double the $68 my MK802 cost me.
Hi, Can any one tell me
1. What is the difference between a "mini pc" an "android stick" ,a "tv box" ex' ?
2. What is the difference between Mk802III and Mk809II or it is the same gadget ?
3. What is the most powerful android mini pc that I can buy today (20 february 2013) ?
4. Is there a device like the above with four core cpu that has more speed, and can multitask better ?
I new to the forum so be patient with me please.
Thank you
the android stick usually has the form factor or a usb memory, just a bit larger and heavier.it has just one or two usb ports and an mini hdmi video output. minipc and tv box are usually more complex and include card reader, more usb ports and depend on design, more video out interfaces.
i never seen a android stick with a quad core cpu, usually they has cheap one core 1ghz cpu.
what is the best you can buy? well, hard to tell, usually i got some on ebay from china and very rarely i see the same object on sale more than once. pay attention when you buy one because they try to fake and say 1.5ghz cpu, while in the end it has a 1ghz cpu and 0.5ghz gpu
The obvious answer (I guess) would be a Raspberry Pi 4b. Maybe 2GB but they are still very hard to source.
Do any of the other Chinese single board computers sold on AliExpress handle Android well? Orange Pi, Banana Pi and zero versions. Radxa zero?
My use case is that I'm building a portrait mode PDF document reader using a 15.6" touchscreen. I'll be mounting the SBC on the rear of the screen.
Needs to have wifi, hdmi-out (for display), 1 usb (for touchscreen interface) and power in. Don't need ethernet and would prefer without as it reduces height of pcb. I don't need video/movie rendering.
I already tested the touchscreen using a rPi 3B running Raspian but performance was poor and gesture support poor, so I'd like to use Android.
dorkshoei said:
The obvious answer (I guess) would be a Raspberry Pi 4b. Maybe 2GB but they are still very hard to source.
Do any of the other Chinese single board computers sold on AliExpress handle Android well? Orange Pi, Banana Pi and zero versions. Radxa zero?
My use case is that I'm building a portrait mode PDF document reader using a 15.6" touchscreen. I'll be mounting the SBC on the rear of the screen.
I already tested the touchscreen using a rPi 3B running Raspian but performance was poor and gesture support poor, so I'd like to use Android.
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I don't know if they run Android, but have you looked at the Pine offerings? They have several SBCs at a reasonable price.
Single Board Computers Archives - PINE STORE
PINE64 64bit Arm Single Board Computers
pine64.com
dcarvil said:
I don't know if they run Android, but have you looked at the Pine offerings? They have several SBCs at a reasonable price.
Single Board Computers Archives - PINE STORE
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I hadn't. There are dozens of manufacturers of rPi-like sbcs. I'm really looking for something known to have a stable version of Android.
dorkshoei said:
I hadn't. There are dozens of manufacturers of rPi-like sbcs. I'm really looking for something known to have a stable version of Android.
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According to the forums, at least some of them run Android. I didn't check all of theml
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