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UMA Wifi Calling

I hooked up my new MT4G to wifi and it prompted and notified me of wi-fi calling.
Take a look at the picture attached
Pretty sweet finally a android with wifi calling!!!
Edit: This is not uma

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excellent, wrong forum
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Wrong sub forum

I'm gonna go against the grain and say right forum.
Wrong descriptor though, it's not uma.

Technically it's not uma because it doesn't hand off to.and from the tower like blackberry... But I'm equally excited.. Tested and confirmed on mine as well
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motorjonny said:
Technically it's not uma because it doesn't hand off to.and from the tower like blackberry... But I'm equally excited.. Tested and confirmed on mine as well
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Sorry for the wrong sub forum post. OOPS I forgot where I was.
I was unsure of the cellular handoff. Has it been confirmed that it doesn't hand off?

stoute said:
Sorry for the wrong sub forum post. OOPS I forgot where I was.
I was unsure of the cellular handoff. Has it been confirmed that it doesn't hand off?
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Yes it has been. Can't find the source right now but Tmonews.com is where it was hottly discussed and proved to be right.

stoute said:
I hooked up my new MT4G to wifi and it prompted and notified me of wi-fi calling.
Take a look at the picture attached
Pretty sweet finally a android with UMA!!!
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Please stop calling this UMA. It's not the same thing at all.
Wi-fi calling is a clever way to push people on to their own wifi infrastructure. Rather than continue to use cell tower bandwidth, you use your own broadband connection for both data and voice traffic. The best part (for them) is you still use your minutes.
Most people never bother setting up wifi on their phone, because they simply don't have to. The mobile network is available 24x7, and wifi eats battery life. Now, get to charge you *and* get you off their network at the same time.
Brilliant strategy, but I'll pass - I'm not paying T-Mobile to use my own bandwidth.

You would if you were somewhere you didn't have coverage. Or even better if you were out of the country and wanted to call back to a US number and only use your normal minutes and not pay for international roaming.
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The app works great for me with crappy service in my house been waiting for it. Once you get close to the wifi range limit u get a pop-up warning you your call will be lost.

NexVision said:
The app works great for me with crappy service in my house been waiting for it. Once you get close to the wifi range limit u get a pop-up warning you your call will be lost.
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The only problem I had was whsn walking away from work or my house it would drop the call vs the hand off like the blackberrys uma calling feature.
I also think we are all aware this is not a true uma. I will try to edit my op to correct.
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Well if you do not want to use the service then dont or let me guess you are a Apple fanboy so will find something wrong with everything other than iPhone and ATT

I wonder if the txt messages will be routed via wifi as well ?

vikramdhani said:
I wonder if the txt messages will be routed via wifi as well ?
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i read through the frequent questions in the wifi calling app... Confirmed that it does send messages through wifi!

motorjonny said:
i read through the frequent questions in the wifi calling app... Confirmed that it does send messages through wifi!
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It is supposed to do mms sms calls as well as the usual internet and email.
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This is a great feature, i'm just confused why they wouldn't build it to allow it to seamlessly handoff to cell towers.

That would b a hardware requirement and raise the cost.
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dcam1075 said:
You would if you were somewhere you didn't have coverage. Or even better if you were out of the country and wanted to call back to a US number and only use your normal minutes and not pay for international roaming.
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I used WiFi overseas for calling on my BB, and TMo came after me with a bunch of international calling minutes anyway. So unless they have changed their policy - be careful.

gaww said:
I used WiFi overseas for calling on my BB, and TMo came after me with a bunch of international calling minutes anyway. So unless they have changed their policy - be careful.
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Were you calling US numbers?

gaww said:
I used WiFi overseas for calling on my BB, and TMo came after me with a bunch of international calling minutes anyway. So unless they have changed their policy - be careful.
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I used my BB overseas this summer, mobile network off, wifi on. No extra charges.

Data speeds issues, need unmodified APN

So I been having problems with my data speeds since my bill cycle started over. I can't get speeds over .04-.05mbps anywhere! when I know I get 3.5-5.5 on a good day and area. I was throttled last bill cycle but now on this bill cycle I'm still at throttled speeds. I've called tmo already 3 nights in a row to see if they still had me throttled. They say I'm not throttled, they troubleshooted so I have a trouble ticket out right now. I'm just trying to see if I can get this fix myself. Tmo is lagging on calling me back. I need my 4g speeds back.the phone is horrible withou it and its killing me.
I just want if anyone with the factory unmodified apn settings can do me the favor of posting it up so I can match it with mine. I would really appreciate it.
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a quick reboot have always fixed that problem for me.

neidlinger said:
a quick reboot have always fixed that problem for me.
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Done plenty of those.
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well changing the APn's will not adjust anything as far as speeds go. it's a connection problem between your phone and T-Mobile's servers. If you are that low and showing "h" on the not. bar then they still have you programmed as being throttled.

neidlinger said:
well changing the APn's will not adjust anything as far as speeds go. it's a connection problem between your phone and T-Mobile's servers. If you are that low and showing "h" on the not. bar then they still have you programmed as being throttled.
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Yeah I do show the H on full bars. That's also what I been trying to explain to them, that only because it shows on their screen I'm not throttled doesn't me I'm not. I'm pretty sure they messed up some where. I just thought that probably the apn had some thing to do with it too. I'm just trying everything I can. They need real techs over there. Every one I spoke to seemed like they didn't know what the hell they wee doing and they were just reading off a page of instructions which I'm pretty sure they were.
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coupetastic-droid said:
Yeah I do show the H on full bars. That's also what I been trying to explain to them, that only because it shows on their screen I'm not throttled doesn't me I'm not. I'm pretty sure they messed up some where. I just thought that probably the apn had some thing to do with it too. I'm just trying everything I can. They need real techs over there. Every one I spoke to seemed like they didn't know what the hell they wee doing and they were just reading off a page of instructions which I'm pretty sure they were.
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are you still at the same area where you used to get the much faster speeds? I've had the mt4g since January and even though I have the "H" and full bars in my city the speeds are always between .15 to .6Mbps down, while the upload is usually around 700Kbps. Got trouble tickets going and service calls until a network engineer showed up at my location to do some testing. Turns out I'm sitting about 40 feet away from the t-mo tower, but given their current configuration, those speeds are all I'm going to get until there's further tower upgrades! I can hop on the freeway and drive south for 20 minutes and find a signal that gives me speeds of 2 to 4Mbps, but too bad I don't live or work there. I was put through the tedious troubleshooting "steps" too, even went as far as visiting a t-mo store and doing side-by-side testing with my phone and two of their phones, switched sim cards twice too. All that drama just to be told that the tower is operating "normally" in its current configuration and that's all the speed I'm going to get for a long time.

erickdj said:
are you still at the same area where you used to get the much faster speeds? I've had the mt4g since January and even though I have the "H" and full bars in my city the speeds are always between .15 to .6Mbps down, while the upload is usually around 700Kbps. Got trouble tickets going and service calls until a network engineer showed up at my location to do some testing. Turns out I'm sitting about 40 feet away from the t-mo tower, but given their current configuration, those speeds are all I'm going to get until there's further tower upgrades! I can hop on the freeway and drive south for 20 minutes and find a signal that gives me speeds of 2 to 4Mbps, but too bad I don't live or work there. I was put through the tedious troubleshooting "steps" too, even went as far as visiting a t-mo store and doing side-by-side testing with my phone and two of their phones, switched sim cards twice too. All that drama just to be told that the tower is operating "normally" in its current configuration and that's all the speed I'm going to get for a long time.
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Yea I'm still in the same area where I used to get great 4g speeds. Basically most of los angeles has 4g so every where I went I had great speeds. Now every where i go is crappy.The thing is my girl and I are on the same contract and have the exact same plan. Her mt4g is lighting fast as it should be where mine is super slow in the same areas as her and we live together. At first I thought it was the sim card. I did a test where I put my sim in her phone and mine on hers then hers was getting crappy speed and I was getting great speeds. So I thought it was the sim issue every one was talking bout. So I went to a tmo store and they gave me a new sim. But still that didn't fix the problem. So now I knew that it wasn't a problem with the sim nor the device. That's when I really knew the problem was at their end.
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SindbadAL said:
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Wtf?
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it must be jaywan

From 4g with full bars to 1x....

I just got my thunderbolt and my 4g keeps dropping.... Is there a problem?
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Ever since the nationwide outtage a week ago my 4g has been spotty at best.
I have noticed slower 4g speeds on average and it drops alot more as well.

DroidHam said:
I just got my thunderbolt and my 4g keeps dropping.... Is there a problem?
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yeah, stop dropping it

I had the same problem after spending a weekend in Mexico - they replaced my SIM card at the store and it has worked fine ever sense.

I keep cycling through 3g/1X and the network is constantly unavailable, wtf is going on? Im so disappointed with this phone so far.
I dont know if I need to install a new radio? I installed bamfs remix 1.6 and some lean kernel, did I do something wrong? My Incredible never had these issues

Where do you live? That obviously matters, 4g coverage keeps expanding in Chicagoland area, I get 4g almost everywhere I go.

I live in Akron, I get full 4g bars then it drops to nothing, then 1x, then 3G. its unreal

Did you enter your address in the coverage map? Don't know how big Akron 4g coverage is, but again, I rarely ever lose 4g around Chicago and the burbs.

Unrooted BOLT, same issue with connection
I have been seeing the same about the connectivity being bad. I live in burbs of Philadelphia, only about 20 mins from city so i'm not going to pin it on my location..
So you are rooted? I however am not. Just got the thing and wanted to see how it was for a bit before rooting, but now i'm thinking before i root i better make sure the phone isn't crap or i'm not gonna be able to return it.
Ugh. Let me know if you're going to try and call VZ, HTC, or whatever. PM me if you find anything.
DroidHam said:
I keep cycling through 3g/1X and the network is constantly unavailable, wtf is going on? Im so disappointed with this phone so far.
I dont know if I need to install a new radio? I installed bamfs remix 1.6 and some lean kernel, did I do something wrong? My Incredible never had these issues
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it's not just the 4 g service I can even keep a 3g signal have the time and I use to have no problems on my incredible
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DroidHam said:
it's not just the 4 g service I can even keep a 3g signal have the time and I use to have no problems on my incredible
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Cant ***
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I'm in Wilmington, DE.
Mine is going up and down, as well as getting 3G or just bars in areas that should be 4G.
Another person in the office here, which should be good 4G, also having his phone do the same.
I'm rooted, he is stock.
It happens to me just about anywhere I go lately.

mg00000 said:
I have been seeing the same about the connectivity being bad. I live in burbs of Philadelphia, only about 20 mins from city so i'm not going to pin it on my location..
So you are rooted? I however am not. Just got the thing and wanted to see how it was for a bit before rooting, but now i'm thinking before i root i better make sure the phone isn't crap or i'm not gonna be able to return it.
Ugh. Let me know if you're going to try and call VZ, HTC, or whatever. PM me if you find anything.
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I don't know where you got that information from but thats false. You can easily return to a complete stock state after rooting if need be.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009423

mg00000 said:
I have been seeing the same about the connectivity being bad. I live in burbs of Philadelphia, only about 20 mins from city so i'm not going to pin it on my location..
So you are rooted? I however am not. Just got the thing and wanted to see how it was for a bit before rooting, but now i'm thinking before i root i better make sure the phone isn't crap or i'm not gonna be able to return it.
Ugh. Let me know if you're going to try and call VZ, HTC, or whatever. PM me if you find anything.
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Pretty much from Mid-County to the Lehigh Valley exit is still 3G in most areas but south towards the city and in the Lehigh Valley itself is all LTE. I travel down from Allentown to Philly regularly and I can tell you this from personal experience.
FYI Lehigh Valley LTE is down right now but I just got out of a meeting with Verizon (less than an hour ago) and they supposedly knew there was some maintenance being done in our area (so that may be the reason for the current outage.) If you switch out of LTE Mode to CDMA LTE auto you should pick up 3G (I'd also enable airplane mode and then disable it to pick up a strong 3G for right now.)
Oh and +1 on the rooted/non-rooted thing. You can flash back to non-rooted stock from a rooted state to send it back. Instructions are in the development forum.

Cubs2008 said:
Pretty much from Mid-County to the Lehigh Valley exit is still 3G in most areas but south towards the city and in the Lehigh Valley itself is all LTE. I travel down from Allentown to Philly regularly and I can tell you this from personal experience.
FYI Lehigh Valley LTE is down right now but I just got out of a meeting with Verizon (less than an hour ago) and they supposedly knew there was some maintenance being done in our area (so that may be the reason for the current outage.) If you switch out of LTE Mode to CDMA LTE auto you should pick up 3G (I'd also enable airplane mode and then disable it to pick up a strong 3G for right now.)
Oh and +1 on the rooted/non-rooted thing. You can flash back to non-rooted stock from a rooted state to send it back. Instructions are in the development forum.
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Hi there, thanks for that info i appreciate it. I seem to be missing where htc allows us to switch btwn the 4g and 3g, i searched for the question but didn't get much results. So i'll my noob question right here. Where is that done?
I see under Settings > Wire & networks > Mobile network settings there is a System select option, for "Change the cdma roaming mode", is this where i'm supposed to be? Roaming doesn't seem to be the area i'd think to have to change this particular thing, but i don't see much else in these menus. Please advise or link a thread that i didn't see in my results.

Verizon has a problem with their new eHRPD network.. which is what the Thunderbolt is on by default.. (this allows for 4G + simultaneous talk and browse on 3G).. However, though 4G works OK, 3G doesn't seem to.
In order to tap into Verizon's original 3G network.. dial ##778# on your phone.. go to edit mode (you'll see pop up after you dial that number)..password is 000000 (6 zeros).. go to modem settings.. Rev.A and eHRPD is probably selected there by default.. choose "Enable" option... which will kick it out of eHRPD and then hit menu.. commit changes.. and the phone will reboot. You'll be on Verizon's original 3G network which will work fine.. but you won't have 4G.

I don't know about you but I still have 4g...

4g
g00s3y said:
I don't know about you but I still have 4g...
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I knew N.J. was better
Go Giants!!

kriskmk said:
Verizon has a problem with their new eHRPD network.. which is what the Thunderbolt is on by default.. (this allows for 4G + simultaneous talk and browse on 3G).. However, though 4G works OK, 3G doesn't seem to.
In order to tap into Verizon's original 3G network.. dial ##778# on your phone.. go to edit mode (you'll see pop up after you dial that number)..password is 000000 (6 zeros).. go to modem settings.. Rev.A and eHRPD is probably selected there by default.. choose "Enable" option... which will kick it out of eHRPD and then hit menu.. commit changes.. and the phone will reboot. You'll be on Verizon's original 3G network which will work fine.. but you won't have 4G.
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that defeats the purpose eh? Is this the same thing built into BAMF?

DroidHam said:
that defeats the purpose eh? Is this the same thing built into BAMF?
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I am not sure.. i don't use BAMF..

Slow hspa+

I'm in San Francisco right now and am clearly in AT&T's 4g territory. Well I'm only pulling 3mb down on a speed test. And my buddy who is sitting right next to me with his iPhone 4 is pulling 4.5 down. I thought the iPhone 4 was only hspa and not even plus?
Is it possible ATT is throttling me because I dont have a "4G" specific plan?
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Try switching radios
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A data plan is of course, always going to be a data plan. There is no difference from one plan to another AFAIK besides 2GB and 4GB or if you're grandfathered for unlimited.
Just obviously with software updates etc. to enable "4G".
I'm up here in MT and I barely touch 1.5Mbps if I'm lucky. My friend has the same issue, and AT&T keeps telling me it's because MT is a "new acquisition". BS I've had the service for almost 3 months now. Learn to put up more towers!
Anyways, that's my $0.02.
-Cyanide

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Wells there's not much I can do about it now. I'm in the back seat of a car going 80 miles an hour towards a non '4G' area.
I was certain I flashed the right radio. I have the H emblem next to my service indicator.
Can anyone that has experience with san Francisco confirm my speeds are unusually low? Also does anyone know if the iPhone is hspa+?
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Cyanideskittle2010 said:
A data plan is of course, always going to be a data plan. There is no difference from one plan to another AFAIK besides 2GB and 4GB or if you're grandfathered for unlimited.
Just obviously with software updates etc. to enable "4G".
I'm up here in MT and I barely touch 1.5Mbps if I'm lucky. My friend has the same issue, and AT&T keeps telling me it's because MT is a "new acquisition". BS I've had the service for almost 3 months now. Learn to put up more towers!
Anyways, that's my $0.02.
-Cyanide
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3 months is not a long time when you think about it. It takes 3 years and about 2.9 million dollars to put up one single tower.
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Cyanideskittle2010 said:
A data plan is of course, always going to be a data plan. There is no difference from one plan to another AFAIK besides 2GB and 4GB or if you're grandfathered for unlimited.
Just obviously with software updates etc. to enable "4G".
I'm up here in MT and I barely touch 1.5Mbps if I'm lucky. My friend has the same issue, and AT&T keeps telling me it's because MT is a "new acquisition". BS I've had the service for almost 3 months now. Learn to put up more towers!
Anyways, that's my $0.02.
-Cyanide
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I'm getting 1.5 in my hometown of Sacramento, but that's clearly not in 4g territory so I assumed its just 3g there (even though I have the h emblem). 3 is definitely than 1.5 but it still doesn't explain why my buddies iPhone is pulling more down when its apparently not capable of hspa+
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What rom are you on? Try different radios and make sure to flash the matching ril. And verify that you are you their 4g network by going to settings>about phone>network
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trell959 said:
What rom are you on? Try different radios and make sure to flash the matching ril. And verify that you are you their 4g network by going to settings>about phone>network
It says hsdpa, is that right?
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I have read in a number of posts that the data plan does matter. The 4G plan offer access to another APN, with is required for authentication on the 4G network. In the Dev forum, there is a thread about APNs that discusses this.

Four-Fifty-X said:
I have read in a number of posts that the data plan does matter. The 4G plan offer access to another APN, with is required for authentication on the 4G network. In the Dev forum, there is a thread about APNs that discusses this.
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I'm going to go check that out immediately.
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I really wish this hadn't been moved to QA because no one looks in here. I am really trying to find a solution to this issue. I have been searching and can't come up with a definite answer. I need people who live in the bay to post what speeds they have been getting. I think I may need to call att.

seh6183 said:
I really wish this hadn't been moved to QA because no one looks in here. I am really trying to find a solution to this issue. I have been searching and can't come up with a definite answer. I need people who live in the bay to post what speeds they have been getting. I think I may need to call att.
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Did you check the thread in dev section and edit the build prop? Might call att And see if there are certain apns needed for the 4G network authentication.

zelendel said:
Did you check the thread in dev section and edit the build prop? Might call att And see if there are certain apns needed for the 4G network authentication.
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I saw the the thread about editing the build prop yes. I just checked att coverage maps for 4g and Sacramento is now in the coverage zone. Should now be seeing hspa+ speeds here. I'll do a test when I get home but I'm willing bet my roommates iPhone will still pull faster speeds than me. I will also get on the phone with att and find out if i need a different plan. Will report back.

seh6183 said:
I saw the the thread about editing the build prop yes. I just checked att coverage maps for 4g and Sacramento is now in the coverage zone. Should now be seeing hspa+ speeds here. I'll do a test when I get home but I'm willing bet my roommates iPhone will still pull faster speeds than me. I will also get on the phone with att and find out if i need a different plan. Will report back.
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Comparing the iphone to the inspire is not really fair as the iphone doesnt use the same apn settings, and they also have a reserved amount of bandwith set aside for iphones only. Not to mention they seem to go faster due to alot of things being cached on Apples servers which the iphone connects to first so it seems like they can pull data faster but it is not what it seems.

Ah, I'm not the only one pulling down slower speeds than other devices. My GF's Infuse consistently pulls down 6-7 mbps while my Inspire, at the same time and location, will pull down 3-4. My build prop is edited, and I've tried other radios (and rils) with not much luck. Is this a device capability issue?
The only thing I haven't done is mess with APNs much. I feel as though it won't change anything, but eventually I'll try that as well.

Simba501 said:
Ah, I'm not the only one pulling down slower speeds than other devices. My GF's Infuse consistently pulls down 6-7 mbps while my Inspire, at the same time and location, will pull down 3-4. My build prop is edited, and I've tried other radios (and rils) with not much luck. Is this a device capability issue?
The only thing I haven't done is mess with APNs much. I feel as though it won't change anything, but eventually I'll try that as well.
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I would try that, As it can have a great impact on your connection. I could set you up with the old apn settings and you would pull edge speeds. So it only goes to reason that the APN settings might have a large thing to do with it.

zelendel said:
I would try that, As it can have a great impact on your connection. I could set you up with the old apn settings and you would pull edge speeds. So it only goes to reason that the APN settings might have a large thing to do with it.
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Yeah. Most users speeds double
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zelendel said:
I would try that, As it can have a great impact on your connection. I could set you up with the old apn settings and you would pull edge speeds. So it only goes to reason that the APN settings might have a large thing to do with it.
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Yeah. Most users speeds double
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I'm going to look around at the speeds others are getting. I just can't seem to get more than 3-5 mbps. I know my area is capable of it because my GF's Infuse gets 5-8 mbps consistently, and at the same time I test mine. Weird.
I'll wait for compelling results before I change mine, because I've been modding heavily the last few days and I'm exactly not in the testing mood.

seh6183 said:
I really wish this hadn't been moved to QA because no one looks in here. I am really trying to find a solution to this issue. I have been searching and can't come up with a definite answer. I need people who live in the bay to post what speeds they have been getting. I think I may need to call att.
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The day after I got my Inspire, I went to an A's game. The best I got on that trip was 1.5/0.35. A week later in Sac, in the parking lot of the Kaiser on Morse Avenue, I was able to pull 5.0/0.35. The best I got at home in Woodland was 3.0/0.35. I am now rooted, running ClearDroid, and get 4-5 down with upload better than 1. I'm still on my unlimited plan.
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Is it possible for Verizon to throttle me on cm7?

Was getting great dl speeds but now no matter what radio, rom, or stock non rooted my speeds are low? Any help or ideas?
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lawnguy said:
Was getting great dl speeds but now no matter what radio, rom, or stock non rooted my speeds are low? Any help or ideas?
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Wait till the start of the next billing cycle and see if you get good speeds. If so, then you have your answer.
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It's not likely the throttling is done at the phone, so it would make no difference if you're 100% stock or running a rooted, 3rd party ROM. They'll throttle you on the network side.

hallstevenson said:
It's not likely the throttling is done at the phone, so it would make no difference if you're 100% stock or running a rooted, 3rd party ROM. They'll throttle you on the network side.
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What he said.
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It's not likely the throttling is done at the phone, so it would make no difference if you're 100% stock or running a rooted, 3rd party ROM. They'll throttle you on the network side.
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So when the Verizon rep told me they do not throttle 4G devices he was lying?
Not trying to start anything. I just want to find out if what he told me was true or not.
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Umm, average Verizon Rep=not well informed. Also, salesman.....
Not to insult a store Guy but, my instore experience so far is not great at all. They may be better elsewhere but, I'm disappointed so far and they are like a brick wall.
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Vince556 said:
So when the Verizon rep told me they do not throttle 4G devices he was lying?
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I didn't say they do or do not throttle anything. I said if they do, they're not going to do it at the phone.

Vince556 said:
So when the Verizon rep told me they do not throttle 4G devices he was lying?
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I suspect he said they don't throttle 4G connections. They may throttle a 4G device, when it's using the 3G network. You didn't give any details on when you think you were being throttled.
VZW should not be throttling any 4G connections, on bandwidth usage alone, per 47cfr27.16(c)(1):
The potential for excessive bandwidth demand alone shall not constitute grounds for denying, limiting or restricting access to the network.
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But, if you've been tethering, or using bandwidth to the detriment of other users, they can.

mike.s said:
VZW should not be throttling any 4G connections, on bandwidth usage alone, per 47cfr27.16(c)(1):
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VZW has already disputed the validity or applicability of that. No need to bring it up here if VZW doesn't care about it....

mike.s said:
I suspect he said they don't throttle 4G connections. They may throttle a 4G device, when it's using the 3G network. You didn't give any details on when you think you were being throttled.
VZW should not be throttling any 4G connections, on bandwidth usage alone, per 47cfr27.16(c)(1):
But, if you've been tethering, or using bandwidth to the detriment of other users, they can.
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What I was told by a Verizon rep was 4G phones were exempt from throttle or network enhancements as they call it even if the 4G phone is using 3G service.
I do tether on occasion but most of my data usage is from downloading roms on my phone and watching netflix again on the phone.
I do like the thunderbolt a lot but it was the exemption that made me upgrade. My data speeds were horrible on the incredible. YouTube and netflix would buffer and sometimes not even load because of the slow speeds. HBOgo would not even work because of that.
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hallstevenson said:
I didn't say they do or do not throttle anything. I said if they do, they're not going to do it at the phone.
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Gotcha. As I explained in my last post I was told by the Verizon rep I would not have a problem if I upgraded to a 4G phone.
I just wanted to find out if the rep knew what he was talking about or if it was a lie to sell me a new phone and sign another 2 year contract.
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Yes they can throttle.
No you can't do anything about it.

lawnguy said:
Was getting great dl speeds but now no matter what radio, rom, or stock non rooted my speeds are low? Any help or ideas?
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Have you checked with Verizon to see if there is network issues?
Check another phone if you can... Maybe sim or phone is bad.... Just some suggestions

In my experience, the commonly used Speedtest app reports poor speeds. It also defaults to the closest test site which isn't always the best. I'm in SW Ohio and used a site in California and gotten 25+ Mb/s. TRY OTHER SITES, especially in larger cities.
Also, try http://speakeasy.net/speedtest using same rationale as above.
Remember, if you get 30Mb/s on one test and sub-10Mb/s on all others, you're *not* throttled.
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I thought I was getting throttled, but it was just my bad connection. I get 25 down and 4 up through speakeasy.net
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hallstevenson said:
Remember, if you get 30Mb/s on one test and sub-10Mb/s on all others, you're *not* throttled.
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When I re-read that I figure some conspiracy theorists will say that VZW throttles people off and on !

hallstevenson said:
VZW has already disputed the validity or applicability of that. No need to bring it up here if VZW doesn't care about it....
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You don't know what you're talking about.

lawnguy said:
Was getting great dl speeds but now no matter what radio, rom, or stock non rooted my speeds are low? Any help or ideas?
Sent from my HTC ThunderBolt using Tapatalk
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Do you have files in a folder named 'throttle' at the following: data/system/throttle
If so, try deleting the files and remove the 'write' permission from the throttle folder. Reboot your phone, wait a few minutes and then make sure that no files were recreated in the 'throttle' folder. This helped me, but the results seem to vary from phone to phone.
You may want to try disabling Smithmicro and Verizon Backup, as there should be no need for either on a custom rom in my opinion.
I use the Liquid Nonsense rom, did a lot of research and tweaked my 'build.prop' file. While doing so, I found that the buffer sizes for LTE, Wifi, etc. are also listed in a file named 'init.rc' as well. By making sure that the buffer sizes listed in 'build.prop' matched the ones listed in 'init.rc' I have almost doubled my download and upload speeds.
I am not going to debate the pros/cons of these changes with folks, but for those willing to take the risk you may boost your connection speeds as well.

mike.s said:
You don't know what you're talking about.
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With such an intelligent and convincing response like that, should anyone believe *you* ?
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