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Granted there are glaring inaccuracies in this article, but the woman who was blocked was using a droid X. Anyone seen this yet on their phones?
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/verizon_blocks_hotspot_tethering_for_jailbroken_de.php
I laughed reading this article. We've had people here using 40+ gb and weren't moved. I have no worries with mine.
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The fact that they use the word jailbroken throughout the entire article throws it credibility out the window for me.
I have ginger bread and tether with wireless tether app beta 3.2 works perfect and full speed
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Verizon knows if you're tethering or not. So far they haven't chosen to do anything about it, but if you read your contract (actually read it) you'll see that they can really screw you if they want to, and you'll get no reach around...
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Verizon knows if you're tethering or not. So far they haven't chosen to do anything about it, but if you read your contract (actually read it) you'll see that they can really screw you if they want to, and you'll get no reach around...
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Exactly, my reason for posting this was to see if anyone had started getting screwed....
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Verizon knows if you're tethering or not. So far they haven't chosen to do anything about it, but if you read your contract (actually read it) you'll see that they can really screw you if they want to, and you'll get no reach around...
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How do they know?
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How do they know?
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They can monitor from software in the Android OS built into the stock VZW rom and sometimes watching the network traffic can point to good clues also
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They can monitor from software in the Android OS built into the stock VZW rom and sometimes watching the network traffic can point to good clues also
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So, that means if we are using a custom rom then they can only know by watching network traffic?
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Is it even legal for them to monitor your phone in such a way? The ROM bit, that is.
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VZW knows because I doubt that your phone has IE to browse the web, or Safari for that matter, and other such things can tell them quite easily if you are tethering or not, disregarding the amount of data transferred. Add in the amount of data transferred, and you kind of stick out like a sore thumb when you're tethering.
Also, the hotspot monitoring stuff on the phone doesn't do anything besides watch to see if you are tethering illegally or not, so I'm pretty sure that if you did try to press the legality point of view, they'd come back and dig into whether or not you were tethering, cause odds are, if you are bringing up this point, it is for a reason.
I came from the Droid X and with the GB update and the baseband update they can now tell if you are tethering. Verizon warned the devs and the devs took notice for the moto roms. Those devs no longer provide nor will endorse root tethering apps. There was something about liability issues so the devs are abiding by Verizon's wishes. They are telling all that if you want to tether, pay the monthly fee for the service. Therefore; when the Charge gets the official GB update with baseband, tether at your own risk if you are not paying for it.
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IMNUTS is correct. When you are using a tethering app, your data packets are preceeded with a special code that identifies that packet as being tethered. Verizon is now monitoring these. Black Hat had a hack that yoy could change that code, but they removed that a long time ago for obvious reasons. They now suggest not using it and just pay the money for tethering. This is why devs are no longer including the root tethering apps to give free tethering with their roms anymore. Too much risk to them personally for something that most do for fun.
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VZ most definitely can tell when you are tethering, though by using custom roms/kernels and using disguised tethering apps it just makes it less obvious... I doubt they're really gonna care tbh unless you're hitting some ridiculous number like say 30+ gigs a month, cuz seriously just using the phone normally it shouldn't be that high. From there they can choose to throttle your data speeds or drop your unlimited data plan altogether... also there is no way around this as they block/slow data server-side so its under their control
tl;dr they can almost 100% tell you're tethering and might take action, but probably won't unless you're retarded and pulling in a hundred gigs a month in PHONE data
I only tether when I'm on business or somewhere for a while that doesn't have wifi. So I use less than 2g of data a month. I doubt they'd hunt me down, some of these people who tether 15+ gigs a month may have issues soon.
nobody happen to read the pdf posted in the comments of that site? Apparently Verizon cannot restrict you of downloading a tether program and using the data as such. When Verizon purchased the 700mhz spectrum for their LTE service they agreed they would not " deny, limit, or restrict the ability of
[its] customers to use the devices and applications of their choice". To me that sounds like Verizon is stepping outside their rights... However we end users agreeing to their terms and services might negate that all together.
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Is it even legal for them to monitor your phone in such a way? The ROM bit, that is.
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when you blindly sign a contract they can generally do as they please, you have a choice but the alternative is to not have a cell phone :/
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nobody happen to read the pdf posted in the comments of that site? Apparently Verizon cannot restrict you of downloading a tether program and using the data as such. When Verizon purchased the 700mhz spectrum for their LTE service they agreed they would not " deny, limit, or restrict the ability of
[its] customers to use the devices and applications of their choice". To me that sounds like Verizon is stepping outside their rights... However we end users agreeing to their terms and services might negate that all together.
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this goes back to the contract as well you can use whatever program you want but when it comes to using their network its their rules
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when you blindly sign a contract they can generally do as they please, you have a choice but the alternative is to not have a cell phone :/
this goes back to the contract as well you can use whatever program you want but when it comes to using their network its their rules
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true, but fact is they are not following their agreement to the company they purchased the service from. Also, in verizon's contract they state if they change their service in anyway that has a negative impact on your account\service you are free to opt out of their contract free of charge (so I read back when tier data was being set forth). That being said blocking tethering might be a plausible reason for early termination of contract, legally.
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when you blindly sign a contract they can generally do as they please, you have a choice but the alternative is to not have a cell phone :/
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Not necessarily... The contract's terms still have to be legal, and their conduct regarding that contract has to be legal.
If you sign a contract to kill someone wanting to commit suicide and you follow through with it, you are still lawfully going to be tried for murder.
Verizon is still subject to privacy laws, regardless of what the contract says. I think even if they know you are tethering, which at this point seems more like an educated guess, I don't know if they can really be too audacious with reprimanding people. There's a whole mess of legal implications stemming from the aforementioned agreement when they purchased that spectrum that I think they're not willing to taunt just yet, if ever.
There is a kernel module that is in the code that specifies tethering or not. You can't use wifi without the module, as I already tried. There is a by-pass that is being used on the Fascinate, but we haven't had any confirmation about whether it works or not, and I'm not going to go through the trouble of implementing an un-proven work around just so people can tether illegally. If you want to tether, take the risk of getting caught, or pay $30.
Okay so they are planning on slowing you down once you reach a certain limit they set with their biggest package 4GB I would guess its around that point, how are they going to trottle everyone's speed down to a crawl? Is it going to be like they trottled everyone's speed up in the past VIA software updates? Anyway just curious what you all think and hopefully there's away to not be stuck in a rut on this one, I do a lot of streaming, and multiplayer gaming on my phone...
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Okay so they are planning on slowing you down once you reach a certain limit they set with their biggest package 4GB I would guess its around that point, how are they going to trottle everyone's speed down to a crawl? Is it going to be like they trottled everyone's speed up in the past VIA software updates? Anyway just curious what you all think and hopefully there's away to not be stuck in a rut on this one, I do a lot of streaming, and multiplayer gaming on my phone...
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I have the 30 dollar unlimited plan and i'm using 5-6GB a month and i seem to be fine. But i cant imagine what other people are using.
It's not in effect yet, I do between 6 and 16 depending on if I'm downloading new roms and stuff too, but its suppose to be effective soon.
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According to the post on ATT Website, they are putting it into effect on October 1st.
Secondaly, they are only capping the extreme few that are using CRAZY amounts of data, and taht number was WAY WAY above 4g data.
I spoke to a friend at ATT and he stated that currently the cap was at 10gigs. Now, that could change but who knows.
The data throttling is not being done VIA software and such but instead a change to your plan. All ATT phones are tracked via IMEI numbers and thus the way they know who has what number and what data/messaging packages. All they are doing is making a change to your plan that will only allow you to access the EDGE network.
I can see this possibly being bypassed but will have to wait till the change hits to see what can be done to bypass this.
What dept does your friend work in? Mine read about what's going on when and stuff but they didn't give him exact info like how or what the limit was. Edge don't even work when I try so that wouldnt be right because it takes 5 minutes to load a Facebook status.. anyway whatever happens I hope the limit is a bit higher then 10 sometimes I hit 16 and I don't do mobile hotspots, and i connect to WiFi at home. Let's hope for a work around if so!
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I miss having wifi at my work. I use my wireless at home. My '4G' is pretty fast at my house though (4-5mbps).
Wow i'm dreading this I drive a truck for a living and use the wifi tether allot to play my x-box. This is going to hurt hope someone finds a work around!
P.M. please lift this 5 minute post restriction!
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Playing xbox? Wow! I have tried before and never get a good connection.
It depends allot on the host I connect to on black ops and where I am
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No offense but its people like you is the reason why tethering has been such a huge issue. Tethering (if you are not paying for it) should only be used for necessity or minor things like checking your email, post a Facebook status message, or upload a photo, so that you are not abusing the feature and bogging down the network/tower you are connected to.
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Wow i'm dreading this I drive a truck for a living and use the wifi tether allot to play my x-box. This is going to hurt hope someone finds a work around!
P.M. please lift this 5 minute post restriction!
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No offense but its people like you is the reason why tethering has been such a huge issue. Tethering (if you are not paying for it) should only be used for necessity or minor things like checking your email, post a Facebook status message, or upload a photo, so that you are not abusing the feature and bogging down the network/tower you are connected to.
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+1 on that one. Won't be long though. All carriers are cracking down and just read something new on the net that google is even getting involved with blocking illegal and/or abusive tethering in the near future.
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+1 on that one. Won't be long though. All carriers are cracking down and just read something new on the net that google is even getting involved with blocking illegal and/or abusive tethering in the near future.
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Wharz link?
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cavsoldier19d said:
No offense but its people like you is the reason why tethering has been such a huge issue. Tethering (if you are not paying for it) should only be used for necessity or minor things like checking your email, post a Facebook status message, or upload a photo, so that you are not abusing the feature and bogging down the network/tower you are connected to.
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Well no offense but you don't know anything about me. I have maybe time for 2 matches a weak! I don't abuse anything. I have never gone over 5 gigs in a month. And as mentioned I live in a truck i'm exactly the reason tethering is out there!
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Guys how he does his tethering is his business not ours
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It's all funny you guys are panicking. The slowdown is only going to be relevant to the top 5% of users according to my buddy who works in their corporate offices.
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It's all funny you guys are panicking. The slowdown is only going to be relevant to the top 5% of users according to my buddy who works in their corporate offices.
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Ive learned that att lies it will not be 5% it will be to whom ever they wish. My perdition is one people hit the 4g tether plain the brakes will be on.
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why so horrified? if you write a check and there isn't enough cash in the account to cover it, are you surprised when the bank dings your account with a huge fee?
Top 5% users..... yeah right.
We all know how this is going to happened, you hit a certain cap, say about 10GB, then they throttle you to slower then EDGE speeds.
It's all their plan to ruin unlimited data for unlimited data users......
Hopefully though, the cap is high, or they ACTUALLY tell the truth for once and only throttle the top 5%, which I'm probably nowhere near (I use 3-4GB a month), so I really won't have to worry about it, but it sucks for people who use 10-15GB a month without tethering, you must not have wifi around where you normally are. :/
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+1 on that one. Won't be long though. All carriers are cracking down and just read something new on the net that google is even getting involved with blocking illegal and/or abusive tethering in the near future.
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HEY IM with you. I use tethering and dont pay, but I never never gostreaming and never go about 4 at the most. Most of the time It is2. I have unlimited data. For god sakes it a cell phone not a pc people
If you have the grandfather unlimited plan, are they slowing that down too?
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If you are one of the "lucky" ones who have received the following text message..
"ATT Free Msg: Your data use this month places you in the top 5% of users. Use Wi-Fi to help avoid reduced speeds. Visit www.att.com/dataplans or call 866344758 "
Please go to http://www.change.org/petitions/att-data-throttle#
and sign the petition to stop the throttling of the "top 5%" users.
I personally only used 4GB and received the message.
I signed a contract for unlimited data with AT&T . Not a "limited unlimited data plan". They state that once an "unlimited data" customer is among the top 5% of there data users they will "throttle" the users data speed. Apparently once a user reaches 2 gigabytes of usage they slow down the speed. NOT once they become one of the top 5%.
If you search the website for "AT&T" there are some other petitions you can sign as well. But the one above has the best letter and most signatures so far.
Thank you for your time. Good luck!
Seriously not trying to be an ass but ATT doesn't care.... I HIGHLY doubt they will make a change.
In the meantime I would go here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1474482 All credits to the op, The Jack of Clubs.
I always wondered what their criteria was for finding the top 5%. Do they measure it at the end of your billing cycle and compare it to other users? Or measure the amount of data you use so far at a specific date? Or gauge the rate that you are using (ie, 2gb/wk= 8gb/mo)? Obviously everyone has different billing periods, therefore data resets at different times of the month. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Or am I just overly confused?
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I always wondered what their criteria was for finding the top 5%. Do they measure it at the end of your billing cycle and compare it to other users? Or measure the amount of data you use so far at a specific date? Or gauge the rate that you are using (ie, 2gb/wk= 8gb/mo)? Obviously everyone has different billing periods, therefore data resets at different times of the month. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Or am I just overly confused?
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Lol... I called ATT about something else a while ago and brought this up in the conversation.. the answer was that the guy had no idea WTF was going on.. I think .. idk. It's so confusing.
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Seriously not trying to be an ass but ATT doesn't care.... I HIGHLY doubt they will make a change.
In the meantime I would go here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1474482 All credits to the op, The Jack of Clubs.
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It is worth a shot to try. What they are doing is wrong. How am I in the top 5% when I only used 4GB, some people have gotten the message using a lot less... and I see people on here claiming they are using 10+ GB!!! I am not going down without a fight... If nothing happens... then of course I will be left with no choice but to find a new carrier.
I can't seem to get that APN setting to work... I am going to use my data as normal and see when they decide to throttle me this month.
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I always wondered what their criteria was for finding the top 5%. Do they measure it at the end of your billing cycle and compare it to other users? Or measure the amount of data you use so far at a specific date? Or gauge the rate that you are using (ie, 2gb/wk= 8gb/mo)? Obviously everyone has different billing periods, therefore data resets at different times of the month. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Or am I just overly confused?
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I honestly think they are just going randomly to the "unlimited" data users and sending them messages and throttling them.
Like I said above, I only used 4GB, some used less and got the message, and I see people on here claiming to use 10+ GB.
Let's not go down without a fight.. it might not go anywhere.. but hey at least we tried... and there is a chance something will happen if enough people voice there opinion....
Isn't the customer always right.....
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It is worth a shot to try. What they are doing is wrong. How am I in the top 5% when I only used 4GB, some people have gotten the message using a lot less... and I see people on here claiming they are using 10+ GB!!! I am not going down without a fight... If nothing happens... then of course I will be left with no choice but to find a new carrier.
I can't seem to get that APN setting to work... I am going to use my data as normal and see when they decide to throttle me this month.
I honestly think they are just going randomly to the "unlimited" data users and sending them messages and throttling them.
Like I said above, I only used 4GB, some used less and got the message, and I see people on here claiming to use 10+ GB.
Let's not go down without a fight.. it might not go anywhere.. but hey at least we tried... and there is a chance something will happen if enough people voice there opinion....
Isn't the customer always right.....
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Yes, I agree that it is worth the fight. Not saying that you are wrong there bro. I manage to never get the letter so I haven't tried to force those apn settings but I would suggest trying a different modem or a different rom.
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I honestly think they are just going randomly to the "unlimited" data users and sending them messages and throttling them.
Like I said above, I only used 4GB, some used less and got the message, and I see people on here claiming to use 10+ GB.
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They're sent to the top 5% in your area. In other words; it's extremely dependent on where you're at. If you live in a small town where there's maybe 300 people with an unlimited plan, chances are you're gonna be in that top 5% a lot sooner.
Personally, I think that scrapping the localisation on this would do a lot of good for AT&T's image. Right now, there's people who can pull 50+ GB of data off their plan, while others who pay the same amount get throttled at 1.2 GB. It's ludicrous. Having the throttling happen based on whether or not you're in the national top 5% of data users would make far more sense..
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I personally have not gotten the message, but I would surely feel as strongly about it as you do if I had. I most certainly would consider it to be an outrage, mostly because I use about the same amount of data as you do. (around 4gig)
Props also go out to those that have figured a way to bypass the throttling! I'm not currently running a custom rom at the moment, so I don't see all the options available to do so. I've made the settings that I found, but unsure of the impact.
Despite the outcome, this should be fought on principle alone.
On a side note I've often wondered how it is that AT&T is able to charge for 3 services when it all breaks down to sending a data packet? Voice = data packet. Text message = data packet. Data plan = data packet. In my mind this is also a travesty, unless I'm just blatantly wrong. I realize what's inside the packet may change, but in the end it's still a data packet. I imagine this is why all these companies have arisen providing unlimited everything plans for $50 a month, and I think I'm headed that way soon.
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They're sent to the top 5% in your area. In other words; it's extremely dependent on where you're at. If you live in a small town where there's maybe 300 people with an unlimited plan, chances are you're gonna be in that top 5% a lot sooner...
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I understand its gauged locally, but how is it measured? Everyone is on a different billing period. Mine starts on the 1st while yours starts on the 15th. By the 30th, I've used 5gb and you've only used 2gb. How do they compare your usage with mine and get an accurate (I use that term loosely) estimation of who's in the top percentage at a specific time when they send you that text? The only thing that makes sense to me is them monitoring your usage after your period ends? Or unless it like what op said; random warning texts @ 2gb or so.
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I signed it. I haven't gotten the letter because I'm always on wifi, but at&t's throttling people for such low amounts of data is wrong. The throttled speeds seem to be unusable too.
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Thank you to everyone for helping put up a fight..
and yes.. there "throttled" speeds are basically unusable.
I couldn't even access the market when they throttled my speeds.
ridiculous!!
Signed it. AT&T should put in just as much effort in investing in better network capacity as they are in taking it out on customers.
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if they did like tmobile and gave a fixed limit like 5%, i would have less of a problem. still stupid.
I guess I'm one of the luck ones at 2GB
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I switched to Sprint. Got tired of throttling. I do miss the speed when I had it. Albeit for the week of 3G. But sprint is doing me good otherwise.
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They're sent to the top 5% in your area. In other words; it's extremely dependent on where you're at. If you live in a small town where there's maybe 300 people with an unlimited plan, chances are you're gonna be in that top 5% a lot sooner.
Personally, I think that scrapping the localisation on this would do a lot of good for AT&T's image. Right now, there's people who can pull 50+ GB of data off their plan, while others who pay the same amount get throttled at 1.2 GB. It's ludicrous. Having the throttling happen based on whether or not you're in the national top 5% of data users would make far more sense..
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This would explain why I have not gotten this and I have had near 5gig months because of Pandora at work and they do not have Wifi on my floor. I live in the Chicago market. Guessing there is some very high users in my area.
I have 2gb of data a month, I never use more than 400mb a month. Wifi is all you need!
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I have 2gb of data a month, I never use more than 400mb a month. Wifi is all you need!
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You honestly don't expect everyone else to use data the way you do. I use wifi whenever I can, which is as soon as I get home or when I'm in class. The remainder of the day I'm at my office, or driving around using maps/navigation, emails, browsing, Facebook, words with friends, etc. So I don't have wifi. And no, I'm not gonna hunt around for a Starbucks or Mc Donald's just to hook up to wifi that has lower speeds than my 3G; its just ridiculous.
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You honestly don't expect everyone else to use data the way you do. I use wifi whenever I can, which is as soon as I get home or when I'm in class. The remainder of the day I'm at my office, or driving around using maps/navigation, emails, browsing, Facebook, words with friends, etc. So I don't have wifi. And no, I'm not gonna hunt around for a Starbucks or Mc Donald's just to hook up to wifi that has lower speeds than my 3G; its just ridiculous.
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In my opinion It's Stupid to stream any type of media while your away from your house on a Data connection! You know it's gonna use a ridiculous amount especially if your gonna sit there and stream HD videos over Data! Why wouldn't At&t have a right to throttle your usage, Pure waste. Using GPS and and other type of map software is a less of a waste. Most of you with 16GB sd cards and higher know better! Store all your music and videos on it, that's what its for. Facebook, Email, and some of your multiplayer games use **** for data, nothing barely gets wasted. With your facebook, email, and multiplayer games you shouldn't even go over 1GB of usage a month. Also Note for those sitting their listening to Pandora on their Data connection. Each song is between 3mb-6mb. How many songs do you listen too now multiply that and see how much your wasting.
i got this one month and at the time i was only at 1.4 gb! wtf
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/07/31/droid-charge-receiving-minor-update-to-fp5/
Only weighs in at 19.3MB using the old changelog but if you check out Verizon's document it says it's 29.30 MB.
From RW:
Corrected Issues:
1) A software change was made to support the latest requirement for eHRPD to HRPD fallback
2) A software change was made to support the latest requirement for IPV6 in EHRPD
3) A software change was made to address an issue causing a audio screeching sound to be heard when users have an active application playing in the back ground and you receive and answer an incoming call
4) A software change was made to address an issue that was causing a continuous noise or notification tone to be heard that started during a phone power up and would not stop until you pulled down the status bar in some rare cases
5) A software change was made to the calculations used for determining what is displayed to better reflect the signal available.
6) A software change was made to address an issue causing the device to drop down to 3G service earlier then it should in some cases
7) A software change was made to address an issue causing devices to show no signal and roaming when a specific PRL file (I5103) is loaded on the device
*sigh*
One of the notes is that USB tethering is Disabled when on WiFi, under the updated system. Has anyone determined if the WiFi thethering hotspot hacks will still work?
I wonder if we'll get a pbj for this since he sold his charge and all.
Also the fcc just ruled that vzw isn't allowed to block tethering and in the release notes they say that they removed the "upgrade to tethering" button in mobile hotspot.
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I totally feel your pain...
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any idea when this is going to roll out?
Before the rezound gets ics.
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Before the rezound gets ics.
Military grade i-510
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Maybe before official ICS, but we have leaks and we have AOSP.
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Also the fcc just ruled that vzw isn't allowed to block tethering
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Note that it only applies to tiered data plans. They're still well within their rights to block tethering for those with unlimited plans.
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Note that it only applies to tiered data plans. They're still well within their rights to block tethering for those with unlimited plans.
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Yeah I guess they would try anything to get people off unlimited...
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My layman's reading was that it applied to everyone, but the main point was that they could not try to block 3rd party tethering apps anymore. Could explain why WiFi Tether showed up in the Market. From my reading the tiered vs. unlimited point was mainly used by Verizon as a defense.
shrike1978 said:
My layman's reading was that it applied to everyone, but the main point was that they could not try to block 3rd party tethering apps anymore. Could explain why WiFi Tether showed up in the Market. From my reading the tiered vs. unlimited point was mainly used by Verizon as a defense.
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My using the term "block" was incorrect. Essentially, they can still charge the tethering fee to those on unlimited plans...
In addition, the company recently revised its service offerings such that consumers on usage-based
pricing plans may tether, using any application, without paying an additional fee.
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The FCC had no problem with that: Source
All i care to see is the "new ui"
So this will probably hit this time next week?!
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bubarub said:
So this will probably hit this time next week?!
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Since its been approved... The answer is... It depends.
Military grade i-510
Hopefully this little update hits today
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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/10/droid-charge-update-to-fp5-finally-ready/
So, since this is the second time its been posted... should we expect this next week sometime?!
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I keep thinking I'm going to get a new phone as soon as I can. Dwitherell is doing a great job on developing roms but Imnuts is not doing kernels for the charge any more. Development for the Charge is almost at a standstill. I'm not excited about FP5 at all. I'm never going to run stock software in a smart phone. There's just way too much bloatware.
So? Root it and remove the bloatware. I haven't installed DW's rom because my phone is critical for work and I spend too much time at work and commuting to deal with any extra issues. But I've got to say that it's been damn hard not too bite the bullet and flash it. I know it's awesome.
I've debloated it and added extended battery. 4g coverage is good and don't need gps. Yeah, we'll never see ICS or JB on this phone but it works for those that don't have to suffer the squealing.
It's first generation 4g. I don't expect the world and my laptop can more than handle anything this phone can't.
Seriously - you can see the difference just rooted and debloated. Try it.
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talk to a VZW technician today, and he said the FP5 supposedly fixes the squealing and unblocks some websites that folks were having troubles with.
Since I'm stuck on Sprint for a little while longer, I have to use my phone to tether my TF700T unto the internet. However, it doesn't seem like that's working, as when I plug my phone into my tablet's dock, nothing happens. Is there no innate support for this, internet over USB, at all? I know there are USB-to-Ethernet adapters, but this is a little different.
Depending on your phone you could also try wifi or Bluetooth tethering.
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I don't know about sprint's policies, but isn't wireless Hotspot an option
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Yes, but I also don't want to be broadcasting a direct connection to the internet. Hence, USB.
Why are you worried about broadcasting? Just encrypt your connection, don't broadcast your SSID, and only allow your tablet's MAC to connect. There's no way anyone else will poach (or even see) your hotspot like this, if that's what you're worried about...
Because I'm trained with CEH and Net+ certifications and have been paranoid since the age of 3. Humor me.
Usb tethering does not work in any of the transformers, there have been a few work arounds i believe but nothing stable, the only stable way is as suggested, Wifi or bluetooth, and being an Internet security Professional my self, With all that was suggested would work, for sprint look up a program, Wifi tether for root users, this allows everything they suggested, though I do understand the leakage, best i can suggest is either a VPN tunnel if this has been implemented in the tf700 as it had to be user cooked for the tf201
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Because I'm trained with CEH and Net+ certifications and have been paranoid since the age of 3. Humor me.
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Are you a spy or something? Lol. I really wouldn't worry so much about it. With the precautions I mentioned only a super computer could hack in quickly, and since it'll be a mobile connection you'll be just fine (just be on the lookout for any suspicious vans following you)
With WPA2 PSK encryption even the most powerful desktop would take a few days to crack the key... it could be done, but someone would REALLY want to. Awful lot of work for free 4G internet, that they'd have to follow you, and you'd be notified if they did connect and could just turn off/change the password.
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Are you a spy or something? Lol. I really wouldn't worry so much about it. With the precautions I mentioned only a super computer could hack in quickly, and since it'll be a mobile connection you'll be just fine (just be on the lookout for any suspicious vans following you)
With WPA2 PSK encryption even the most powerful desktop would take a few days to crack the key... it could be done, but someone would REALLY want to. Awful lot of work for free 4G internet, that they'd have to follow you, and you'd be notified if they did connect and could just turn off/change the password.
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This ^^, and add to this the fact that anyone going to such lengths to just get a free mobile connection will probably either kidnap and torture you for your WPA(2) key, or will have access to 140 botnets all over the world anyway and is on the verge of taking over entirely.
Now I get to think of it, it might also be a nerdy no-lifer, and since the world is teeming with those, you might actually run into a non-trivial risk, hehehe.
There's a few statements wrong with all of these posts, namely, that if you think Sprint doesn't have a backdoor logging all of your info to the government you are mistaken. That being said, they aren't looking for warez or the pr0n you download.
There was a tunneling program I had a while ago, if you need it let me know I will see if I can find it. If you are using the ICS version for your E4GT you will want to change your phone within the wifi tether programs options to Samsung Galaxy Nexus CDMA/LTE in order for it to work. Foxfi doesn't work on the ICS versioins yet. From what it sounds like you don't need to be told to use WPA2 and no SSID and only your MAC addresses accepted. Foxfi does alert the user when a connection is made by a large beep or vibration, I can't remember if the wifi tether does ( i do believe it is an option however). If you made your static ip range only have one address, that could probably help as well. Wish I could be more useful
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if you think Sprint doesn't have a backdoor logging all of your info to the government you are mistaken.
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A backdoor isn't for logging, and paranoid a bit? I can guarantee you Sprint isn't sending all of it's users data info to the government. That would be a HUGE amount of data and they're not going to incur that sort of cost. The government has it's own filters satellite/ground transmissions pass though, it's not the providers responsibility to capture that info...
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... someone would REALLY want to. Awful lot of work for free 4G internet...
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More than likely, it's 3G internet the person would be trying to steal since LTE is only available currently in Kansas City and WiMax is only able in limited areas, and some are spotty at that.
I'm well aware of trying to be careful. But I don't see it as much of worry as s security breach issue. I think he's more worried about Sprint finding out he's doing the hotspot service without paying for it, which is a violation of the TOS and could terminate his contract and give him an early termination fee.
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More than likely, it's 3G internet the person would be trying to steal since LTE is only available currently in Kansas City and WiMax is only able in limited areas, and some are spotty at that.
I'm well aware of trying to be careful. But I don't see it as much of worry as s security breach issue. I think he's more worried about Sprint finding out he's doing the hotspot service without paying for it, which is a violation of the TOS and could terminate his contract and give him an early termination fee.
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If this doesn't apply to Sprint now, it will soon. The FCC has banned charging for tethering!!! Check this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...ns-fcc-tethering-settlement-means-to-you-faq/