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Help...company is moving to iphones

Hey,
I work for a large multinational(10000+ employees) that is doing the unthinkable and standardizing on iphones for all smartphones...up to now as long as you had an exchange compatible phone, it was ok....
Personally I wanted to get a new WP7 phone as I'm coming from WM.
There are possibilities around it on a case by case basis but I need some help from you guys with reasoning why the iphone would not be ideal for business(outside sales group)...
I use my wm phone right now mostly for email but also a lot for opening and modifying excel sheets and sometimes word sheets, PDF's, navigation and some audio(I use my zune HD now for that)...I don't believe with the new ios that it has native MS office integration, correct?
Any tips would be ideal so that at least I can continue with a wp7...

look for another job?

There is nothing you can do... no company will accept such a new platform as a standard, besides Dell? lol I don't know... there is PDF support, uhm exchange is there, flash will be there soon... there are devices with QWERTY keyboards(Dell Venue Pro), that might prove much more productive than a soft keyboard. WP7 is a much better business phone than iOS, however convincing that to people who who think iPhone has the most apps as pretty hard. I tried convincing some people that Android was more productive than iPhone, of course they laughed . Just present WP7 as a business phone with luxuries... another thing would be WP7 has a far more superior calendar system. Reason I wouldn't even try is because WP7 doesn't have multi-tasking or copy-paste, something I believe business users might need more than XBL :|

you don't have to convince them to send all their phones out as windows phone... just to allow you to use a windows phone correct? if that's the case, what do they see in the iPhone? do they rely on a particular application?
for the WP7 case... if your work place uses sharepoint (i'd imagine so given the numbers you showed), well WP out of the box supports that, has better office integration and functionality than any other mobile OS, even with their third party applications. Also, WP7 has exchange 2003 sp2, 2007, 2010 full support.
That in itself should be enough to say that WP can work for your work place. But yea, if there is a particular app that they need, or they created themselves... unless you're a dev and can reproduce it for WP, you may be out of luck.

So far I am actually liking the iOS better than WP7 after playing with the HD7 for 2-3 days... grrr...

Microsoft is determined to win the phone wars, or at least become one of the top 2-3 players. 500 million spent on advertising alone is no joke. I honestly think they will be pouring out updates for their OS.

As a long time Exchange admin, I'm not surprised about this. There's plenty of reason to go to iPhone--decent Exchange support, lots of apps, etc--and although those things will all eventually be true for Windows Phone 7, today only the first item is true. Right now, Windows Phone 7 is an untested platform. Can't say I blame them, though frankly I feel iOS is a very "last gen" OS compared to WP7. Still...it's a mature platform, and for business use, that's valuable.

jasongw said:
decent Exchange support
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ouw there are many things which dont work with eas + ios
http://blogs.technet.com/b/jribeiro...-windows-mobile-android-nokia-apple-palm.aspx

Also the iPhone dont have Office, but open office which you have to pay for.
So no reading docs on the go edit them and sending back.
At the Uni i work someone had the bright idea of having iphones as corp devices. They went right over my head and now when ever a iPhone goes wrong on exchange they have to send someone out to fix it.
The iPhone doesnt support everything that a windows phone does on exchange.
Lets face it WP7 sucks to, ok it does the basics but you still dont get Task sync and you need to have exchange 2010 to use all the options.

this is also a similar issue to Android. Android provides read only functionality to office facilities, even with third party applications (from what i'm aware). given this is built right into the phone, there is no added cost to the end user.
This is a clear example of what MS was talking about when they said that Android isn't really free. Sure the core is free, but to get the products that can match the quality and functionality of Windows Phone, you are really look at greater costs than what MS asks for.

Thanks guys...
Yeah, it's just to convince them for me...no chance for the company wide...I'd like to convince them for the people working for me as well but this seems unlikely although those guys probably look at getting an iphone as a coup...the decision, like many decisions at big companies, has little to do with logic and all to do with politics.
Some good info here guys...appreciate it.
I agree, right now windows phone is not even at wm level but one can assume it will be very soon.
For the iphone, do you know if those office apps allow you to edit documents?

eh, WP7 is fully intergrated with microsoft office, plus windows live ID. iOS is not. im guessing your company uses PC`s and windows rather than macs? if you want easier transitons for docs and editing them WP7 is the way to go. after all WP7 it dosnt need "an app for that"

I suspect the reason your company is moving to iPhone is because the nutjob who signs the cheque on the corporate phone strategy is an iPhone fanboi and what he says goes.
Corporate phones without a keyboard = EPIC FAIL.

Jim Coleman said:
I suspect the reason your company is moving to iPhone is because the nutjob who signs the cheque on the corporate phone strategy is an iPhone fanboi and what he says goes.
Corporate phones without a keyboard = EPIC FAIL.
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I could not have said it better....my local IT person was completely perplexed by this decision...
Agree with the keyboard thing as well...for a personal phone I've no problem without a keyboard but when you are writing upwards of a 100 emails a day...virtual keyboards suck...

I guess, the worst case is you buy a WP7 SIM free, use your work SIM and connect to EAS just like the iPhones..... Unless you are not allowed to by policy - or they have locked anything down...!?
I am using WP7 Mozart on Orange for last 2/3 weeks. I was previusly using HTC Legend. The WP7 EAS and Outlook is very good. I have two EAS accounts and a Hotmail account all sync very well.

maclemy said:
I guess, the worst case is you buy a WP7 SIM free, use your work SIM and connect to EAS just like the iPhones..... Unless you are not allowed to by policy - or they have locked anything down...!?
I am using WP7 Mozart on Orange for last 2/3 weeks. I was previusly using HTC Legend. The WP7 EAS and Outlook is very good. I have two EAS accounts and a Hotmail account all sync very well.
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The only thing I'm not sure about is that currently with my winmo phone and work we use a certificate that is put in the root(actually 2 certificates) and from what I've read right now this is not officially supported with windows phone 7 although there are work arounds...if iphones don't offer that then I guess I'd be fine anyway....
For me I'll see what I can do as I have a zune pass and definitely want the phone even for that alone but I was really hoping to use the benefits of the cloud solution of windows phone with my team (sharepoint, office,etc...)...

The Gate Keeper said:
this is also a similar issue to Android. Android provides read only functionality to office facilities, even with third party applications (from what i'm aware). given this is built right into the phone, there is no added cost to the end user.
This is a clear example of what MS was talking about when they said that Android isn't really free. Sure the core is free, but to get the products that can match the quality and functionality of Windows Phone, you are really look at greater costs than what MS asks for.
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Ji6 gave galaxy s full thinkfree office. You can create, edit and save files.
That depends on what phond u have though.
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so then it's carrier based software? but yea, it would then come down to manufacturer/carrier to put the added cost in somewhere to offer the same level that windows phone offers, but yes of course it can be done, not saying that, just saying that the cost will pop up somewhere, whether that be direct or not is a different story.

Android Dies Tommarrow?

Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.

Enjoy!
honeycomb is gunna rock peoples socks!
Do they use cdma in other parts of the world?

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Yeah -- have fun with your iPhone then.

HA It wont be dieing for me. I would never pick a iPhone over an android. Android so much more flexible and inventive in my humble opinion.
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Tomorrow does not have an 'a' in it.
And no, the iPhone will not kill the Android no matter what carrier signs it. iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof -- but the more advanced and adept users will always gravitate towards Android (linux) and Corporate users towards Windows.
Besides, iPhones to date have been overpriced and, like Macs, the only way you can run their OS is on their hardware. Android runs on everything from tablets to mp3 players to cell phones across a variety of manufacturers.
I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.

delugeofspam said:
I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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Backhand hand smack in the mouth?

delugeofspam said:
iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof
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awesome dude... share it on twitter xD

BigBonkers said:
Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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Seriously?? No dev support? Have you taken the phone out of the box and used it?
You do realize that your posting about no dev support on one of the larger dev communities right?
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only used HTC handsets now for maybe 6 years or so, now purely android and a tablet as well.
wife has an iphone 3gs running the new OS on it, had her use my android handset for a week as a test ...
she admitted if it weren't for the games and stupid little bits and bobs she was used to having she'd sell the iphone and switch in a heartbeat but alas not to be

BigBonkers said:
Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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HA! no support from the devs? Try owning a palm pre. I just ditched one for the new evo shift, and so far I am LOVING the amount of support for android

Please don't feed the troll!

you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone. As far as the pre i think it has the best os just horrible hardware.
Look at what Nividia showed running on the Tegra chips at CES.....1 year old PORTS of games that run on the Iphone perfectly.
Hardware is fine and dandy but NO SUPPORT guys. Its sad.
I honestly beleive once the iphone comes to verizon noone on BigRed will ever buy an android again. Atleast the common user. Well see soon. This is gonna be fun!!!!!!

BigBonkers said:
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone.
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This is just blatantly wrong, so go troll somewhere else -- there's lots of big-name developers on Android, including some from the iPhone world.
And yes, there's lots of garbage on the android market, but it does work. Don't forget that Amazon will be launching their cleaned-up android market this year too.

@burtcom actually your proving my point. please show me ONE app that they focused on the TEGRA chips that isnt on the Iphone??? Please name one? Also Amazon market??? Ummm where is it? Ohhhh its not here yet....oh ok Let me know when it is!
Please name me the developers on Android...... Netflix (not yet)...Gameloft (ummm old ports from iphone) EA.....ummm wheres madden? Oh still in beta?
Dont talk when you have no clue!
Oh and if there are games on Gamelofts site (the Ports) there made for the droid phones and the resolution is way off wack!!! But enjoy

The US is the last place that the iPhone hasn't been available on multiple carriers. The rest of the world has carriers with both the iPhone and Android phones competing directly, and Android is still doing great there. A Verizon iPhone will probably put a dent in their Android handset sales, no doubt, but there's always going to be a segment of the market that want something cheaper, or more powerful.
So no, Android will be just fine after tomorrow.
And apps are not the be all end all. They only matter so much to iPhone because it's basically just a glorified app launcher with a few apps bundled in. You can't even see the current weather without launching an app.

OP, you do realize that the iPhone is available on many major carriers in the the rest of world, right? Do you seriously think the US has the biggest cellphone market? (The answer is no. I'm telling you this since you probably don't know the answer.) Android is still growing at a rapid rate and taking up market share in the rest of the world. We shall see how the iPhone 4 does IN THE US when it comes to Verizon. If iPhone 4 Verizon does destroy the Android, then Android will die ONLY in the US, not the rest of the world.
So what if many apps are ported from the iPhone? Why don't you ask why those developers are porting their apps over to Android if they don't see the potential of Android?
Technically, Android has the best developer that no iPhone developers can compare - Google itself. Where did iPhone's Maps and Youtube apps come from? Which OS has the better Google apps?
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good.
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You didn't ask, you simply implied that iOS is better. People here are just disagreeing with you. And most of your arguments are surrounding the game department of the iOS. What else do you have? Even if you bring some more things on the table, you still can't argue what I wrote in my first few paragraphs. Enjoy the iPhone. I honestly think it is a great phone, but I hope you didn't type your posts using the iPhone. If so, learn how to fully use your iPhone please, otherwise it would just be a waste, no offense.

When people keep talking about apps apps apps for iPhone, they are just talking about games. Really, ask any iPhone users what awesome apps they are talking about that aren't games, and they will not have an answer for you. Or name apps that also exist on Android. Netflix? Yeah, its pretty cool. But its not like its been out all that long for iPhone, and the video selection is pretty limited, AND it will be out for Android anytime now, since it was already leaked at CES.
Seriously, how many games do you need? I love playing games as much (probably more) than the next guy. And there is plenty on Android, and developer support is growing. If you need more games than available on Android, its pretty likely that you need to spend more time on other activities besides playing little casual games on your phone.
Besides, not all developers are in love with Apple. Look at Adobe and PrimeSense (the original developer of the XBox 360 Kinect controller). These are important players, that were completely turned off by Apple's need to domineer and control, and eventually gave up on Apple.
The OP implies that the only reason that not everyone owns an iPhone, is because they are tied to Verizon. There are plenty of people like me that have been on AT&T forever, but have no interest in the iPhone. AT&T customer for over a decade, and I've never owned an iPhone, and never will. If Apple had their way, there would be no variety in hardware, or how we use our phones. There will always be people that find these types of limitations suffocating and unacceptable. Some of us like to have the choice of more than one form factor (say a larger screen, or a smaller one, or a hardware keyboard), or to have a homescreen that isn't just a near-useless grid of shortcuts. It would be a sad place where only one device could exist. Luckily, things don't work that way, and there is always room for competition in just about any business. So with any luck, Android won't be going anywhere soon.
Sure the iPhone is popular. But saying an OS is doomed just because its not the most popular platform, and doesn't have the most games, then that's the same as saying Mac computer shouldn't exist either.

Android won't die tomorrow
But troll should die today

I don't know about others but to me a cell its more like a helping hand or what ever you like to call it. Atleast for the tech lovers like me. But we all have different ways of doing our day to day stuffs. Android appreciates and compliments that. That's why I will go for Android. For the level of freedom it gives you, not how many new cookies it have in the box.
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Android is for guys..... iOS is for girls. Really!
http://m.pcgh.de/(S(4c2p4i55naliy455fdiacc45))/News/Articleviewer.aspx?id=802741
Sorry link is in german but the pictures are multi-language
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Android could be killed off by suppliers

Found this interesting Article on Fudzilla regarding how Android could be killed off by the suppliers of the phones. Figured I would share
http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/item/21611-android-could-be-killed-off-by-suppliers

Nice read but those publishers are idiots. The only way android will be killed of is if apple takes over the world and burns down google
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I pretty much summed up the article that if, Google doesn't take tighter control of how the suppliers are updating the phones, and if Google themselves do not ease up on releasing updates, then it might drive people away from Android phones due to the lack of support.

Twoddle.
At last report (that I know of), 300,000 people a day were activating new Android phones. I'm gonna guess here, but I reckon about 90% of those people don't give a monkeys about updated ROMs and new features. They don't understand enough about their phones to care. (Not an insult - just a statement.)
They'll keep their phone for the next 12/18/24 months and then get a nice new shiny one with the same OS cos it'll remember their contacts and they can download the same apps again.
Anyone that's in the other 10% know exactly how to modify the phone to suit their needs, and will only buy another phone because of the hardware. They know full well they can put whatever OS and apps on there they want.
For every bunch of people that leave Android to go iPhone, there'll be an equally sized bunch of people that leave iPhone to go Android. Change the OS names in that last sentence for other OSs to complete the story.
Analysts don't know squat. They're paid to make predictions that are less founded in reality than astrology. Besides, you can't be an analyst without anal.

Well said and very true
johncmolyneux said:
Twoddle.
At last report (that I know of), 300,000 people a day were activating new Android phones. I'm gonna guess here, but I reckon about 90% of those people don't give a monkeys about updated ROMs and new features. They don't understand enough about their phones to care. (Not an insult - just a statement.)
They'll keep their phone for the next 12/18/24 months and then get a nice new shiny one with the same OS cos it'll remember their contacts and they can download the same apps again.
Anyone that's in the other 10% know exactly how to modify the phone to suit their needs, and will only buy another phone because of the hardware. They know full well they can put whatever OS and apps on there they want.
For every bunch of people that leave Android to go iPhone, there'll be an equally sized bunch of people that leave iPhone to go Android. Change the OS names in that last sentence for other OSs to complete the story.
Analysts don't know squat. They're paid to make predictions that are less founded in reality than astrology. Besides, you can't be an analyst without anal.
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A majority of customers don't care about updating the firmware of the phone. If it works, they won't complain. If it doesn't work, they'll bring it back for a warranty repair or simply get a new phone.

johncmolyneux said:
Twoddle.
At last report (that I know of), 300,000 people a day were activating new Android phones. I'm gonna guess here, but I reckon about 90% of those people don't give a monkeys about updated ROMs and new features. They don't understand enough about their phones to care. (Not an insult - just a statement.)
They'll keep their phone for the next 12/18/24 months and then get a nice new shiny one with the same OS cos it'll remember their contacts and they can download the same apps again.
Anyone that's in the other 10% know exactly how to modify the phone to suit their needs, and will only buy another phone because of the hardware. They know full well they can put whatever OS and apps on there they want.
For every bunch of people that leave Android to go iPhone, there'll be an equally sized bunch of people that leave iPhone to go Android. Change the OS names in that last sentence for other OSs to complete the story.
Analysts don't know squat. They're paid to make predictions that are less founded in reality than astrology. Besides, you can't be an analyst without anal.
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Absolutely right.
On the other hand, i'm right outside that 10% bunch, but i'm just 17 and if i **** up my phone it won't be so good for me. I rooted, but i guess i am dumb enough not to know terminals and flashing and pushing stuff here and there
Anyhow- Android won't be killed. That's like when they said Linux was to be killed off in the early 2000's because Windows machines were supplied with an X amount of memory (about a 100mb extra than those running a distro)

Won't happen I mean come on what you think is the alternative? They want to pay the license? What happens if upgrade comes? who you think will pick up RIM? lol they are dead who else iOS? Sorry thats for iPanzy and who use that come on now, only other alternative is WM.
Also who wants to fight big Google? You think they will let it go easy? They can buy the ****ing company out and change the decision if they cared to just to send single message. Also then you have the user who can and is doing what they want hence you are on XDA? F the carrier support thats like saying you are bound to software hence your PC?
But the biggest problem with mobile world is the hardware which is not actually openly shared as opposed to computing world, where one can actually code the driver for support. BTW voddles your last sentence didn't make sense what so ever take it from someone who been using Slackware since it was created.

I for myself isn't that impressed of Android anymore.
Having used an X10 Mini since May 2010 (now 2.1 and some extra updates)
Wanted the Mini for the Android Hype, Spotify music streaming and smallness.
Love the phone still but getting more and more angered of lack of decent software/apps
Hate all the Android keyboards(not because of it's tiny on a 2.6" screen) but the lack of arrow keys and stupidity behavior (like unable to mark text and enter new).
Search function is limited too (In Market and others) It's impossible to editing an old search, you have to enter everything again.
Also getting more and more irritated on the Google in general.
Wanna have a new non Win, IOS, Bada, Android or Nokia stuff. Phone OS. Now.
Will not follow your guys inte 2.2 or 2.3

Journalism just seems to go down the toilet in the highly competitive virtual world of the internet.
"While HTC appears to be ahead of the game at getting new updates to uses, some outfits, particularly Motorola are developing a jolly bad name for themselves. You could upgrade yourself but he problem is getting your paws on unlocked boot loaders. Motorola's upcoming phones have locked bootloaders."
Locked bootloaders have nothing to do with official updates.
"However it looks to us like Google is going to need to put its foot down fast before the suppliers start killing off its operating system. The last thing people want is to get an Android phone and find it can't do something that has been advertised because some phone maker could not be bothered upgrading."
Put its foot down on a free OS? Ads go out advertising that all Android phones support roms? That all Android phone are upgradeable to the latest, greatest Android OS?
The whole article looks to be written by someone attempting to be sensational but really has no clue.
I remember when Android was new and you had all these manufacturers "skinning" Android. I was worried that a user may confuse a skin with the primary OS and incorrectly give credit or blame to that skin. People seem to love Sense UI and hate Motoblur. You impression of Android could vary depending on if you used an HTC vs a Motorola. That clearly did not happen.

Blåburk said:
I for myself isn't that impressed of Android anymore.
Having used an X10 Mini since May 2010 (now 2.1 and some extra updates)
Wanted the Mini for the Android Hype, Spotify music streaming and smallness.
Love the phone still but getting more and more angered of lack of decent software/apps
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'Lack of decent apps'?
Know why there seems to be a lack here?
You live in Sweden.
Last.fm doesn't work, Goggles doesn't work, Quickoffice doesn't work, trillian is probably locked out too...
Why didn't you get a netbook anyway?
Mine cost the same as the x10 mini did in May 2010.
Hate all the Android keyboards(not because of it's tiny on a 2.6" screen) but the lack of arrow keys and stupidity behavior (like unable to mark text and enter new).
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If that's what you wanted when you got the phone, why didn't you turn it in right away?
Yeah, they have arrow keys - on the ones with a sliding keyboard. Idiot.
Also getting more and more irritated on the Google in general.
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'The Google'? What does Google have to do with your Sony Ericsson phone?

Never gonna happen.
ksizzle9 said:
Nice read but those publishers are idiots. The only way android will be killed of is if apple takes over the world and burns down google
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Everything said here is somewhat true and somewhat false. We all have our opinions, we all have different expectations from our phones...
What i don't understand is, and i say this from a developer perspective, why would any mobile device manufacturer, like Sony, lock out their devices? Same goes for Apple etc etc
I mean, i think far more ppl would actually buy their products if they know that they have a open device and that it can run on all carriers. I mean, i actually bought my 1st iPhone just because of the fact that someone made an unlock tool so u could use it outside of AT&T networks...
As for the OS side, Android wont die ofc, and i believe its a good thing that Google publishes updates to it so fast. This means they are really dedicated to the project and that they really care for developers so they can make much better apps, with more features and capabilities.

voddles said:
'Lack of decent apps'?
Know why there seems to be a lack here?
You live in Sweden.
Last.fm doesn't work, Goggles doesn't work, Quickoffice doesn't work, trillian is probably locked out too...
Why didn't you get a netbook anyway?
Mine cost the same as the x10 mini did in May 2010.
If that's what you wanted when you got the phone, why didn't you turn it in right away?
Yeah, they have arrow keys - on the ones with a sliding keyboard. Idiot.
'The Google'? What does Google have to do with your Sony Ericsson phone?
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Thanks for sharing your IQ level with the world, hopes you will be able to eat with a spoon sometimes in the future.
Just one remark a phone made by SE but using the Google Android do have a somethings with the Google to do, doesn't it.
The rest of what you wrote is not worth comments.
Sorry for upsetting you

When do you think an android OS for desktops will be created?

Blåburk said:
Thanks for sharing your IQ level with the world, hopes you will be able to eat with a spoon sometimes in the future.
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LOL now thats comedy.
I have to somewhat agree with you about the virtual keyboard. Now coming from HD2 which has the best stock keyboard I have ever seen. The arrow key and able to select via drag is best when you typing but on AOSP the whole idea is retarded. I can still type every fast but not fast as I once was on HD2 then again where is that whole 4.3" out there.

Nice read but those publishers are idiots.

I personally am always going to be sticking with HTC. They usually update most of there phones and even if they dont someone will have rooted it and just made a <insert android version here> rom. Plus even if no one can root it i still love Htc Sense and it looks 100x better than Motoblur or whatever Sony uses.

Blåburk said:
Thanks for sharing your IQ level with the world, hopes you will be able to eat with a spoon sometimes in the future.
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Now now children... please lighten up, much more important things in this world to be getting upset or to "fight" over... honestly...
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so true.....only 10% of peopel like us know what we really want to do with our phones....

[Q] Is Android truly open ?

The iPhone is closed and Android is open.
Well!
That's the conventional wisdom about the dueling mobile operating systems. Apple's iPhone operating system runs only on Apple's iPhone (plus the iPad and iPod), and every app must be approved by the company before it appears on the App Store. Android, which Google gives away for free, runs on dozens of phones from many different carriers, and anyone can freely upload new apps to the Android Market without approval.
But that conventional wisdom is showing a few cracks, at least on the Android side. Take the flashy new Bing app for Android, announced today by Microsoft: It's not available to all Android phone users -- only the ones that use Verizon.
Shame

I think you don understand the concept of open source.
Pls brush up your knowledge before commenting.
Plus OS and apps are two different things. Don mix the soup with curry and start talking nonsense
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Brush your brain idiot

francomur99 said:
Brush your brain idiot
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brush your own brain.
android is open means it is open source, we know the source of android.
it does not meat, everyone gets every app instantly..

Don waste time explaining to him if he refuses to listen or learn. Mod can close this thread.
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Is it just me or everyone is being super-aggresive here?

What are you talking about? Try to install Bing app and you will see that is not available anymore in Google Play Store or whatever you want to call it...then try to install the apk and you will get the web search is been stopped from an unknwon service or Big brother or whatever you want to call it. Don't try to be smart with me because you were just a little child when I started to work in the mobile industry... I hate people that attack without know anything about it.. Android is a disgrace !!...
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Frank

francomur99 said:
What are you talking about? Try to install Bing app and you will see that is not available anymore in Google Play Store or whatever you want to call it...then try to install the apk and you will get the web search is been stopped from an unknwon service or Big brother or whatever you want to call it. Don't try to be smart with me because you were just a little child when I started to work in the mobile industry... I hate people that attack without know anything about it.. Android is a disgrace !!...
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I don know where you pick up your knowledge about the mobile industry. *facepalm*
This is clearly an app problem and has nothing to do with the OS.
Your thread should be asking about bing app and not about android.
Email to the bing app team instead of whining here
Edit: there must be a reason why it is taken down from the play store. They might be repairing some bug. And the server might be down while they are fixing it.
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francomur99 said:
What are you talking about? Try to install Bing app and you will see that is not available anymore in Google Play Store or whatever you want to call it...then try to install the apk and you will get the web search is been stopped from an unknwon service or Big brother or whatever you want to call it. Don't try to be smart with me because you were just a little child when I started to work in the mobile industry... I hate people that attack without know anything about it.. Android is a disgrace !!...
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you still don't understand what open means

You don't have to tell me what is open source...even the walls know the basic concept. The thing is that Google has lost the control of android...to me a mobile OS fragmentation is bad....Onestly I don't even remember the exact number of android devices that I had in my hands ...rooted and not, with Sense or Cyanogen or even MIUI and just one iPhone4S with Jailbreak obviously....the true is that the iPhone 4S just works...it just works..how many times to I have to say it...if just was a little bit bigger would be perfect....and one more thing I have Bing also on 3 Uk carrier while with all the android devices I cannot have it anymore....shame one more time Google-android because Bing's unavailability is not the only problem...I could write a book to report all the android's problem.....Yes Ok the Widgets are nice but is not the only thing that count....the eco-system is more important than widgets believe me.
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ofcourse it is open..it is linux and linux is an open source..

@francomur99 , please don't insult people by calling them to brush their own brains . You should mind your language on this forum . And , if this is about the app problem , you should make a thread about Bing and don't make the matter worse by saying is it truly open rather than talking about the app . Because this is unfortunately not what you wanted to ask right? Do not say about others first , say about yourself first . Because , mainly people like this don't tend to know what they're doing in the first place . It is an open source btw . Did that solve your question ?

francomur99 said:
You don't have to tell me what is open source...even the walls know the basic concept. The thing is that Google has lost the control of android...to me a mobile OS fragmentation is bad....Onestly I don't even remember the exact number of android devices that I had in my hands ...rooted and not, with Sense or Cyanogen or even MIUI and just one iPhone4S with Jailbreak obviously....the true is that the iPhone 4S just works...it just works..how many times to I have to say it...if just was a little bit bigger would be perfect....and one more thing I have Bing also on 3 Uk carrier while with all the android devices I cannot have it anymore....shame one more time Google-android because Bing's unavailability is not the only problem...I could write a book to report all the android's problem.....Yes Ok the Widgets are nice but is not the only thing that count....the eco-system is more important than widgets believe me.
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bugs has nothing to do with opensource or being openly developed.
its simply means anyone can use or abuse it (like you try to say). thats the deal with open source and environment.
its like a garden open to everybody and no one takes care of it, it dies at the end and no longer will be a garden where everyone is taking care of it together. Google only cares of the OS and drastic meassures someone make a hack to dial dirty numbers or so.
if android was closed like apple, you would see only what google wanted. you would get only that app google approved and yes, you would have only google phones out and it would become a gimmick like iPhone.
and winphone and other bada operating systems would gain more market value.
your specific Verizon issue is with Microsoft and another company, not Android or Google in this case, they just gave the option to restrict distribution, the choice is the developer of the product.

Here is a great article i just read that talks about some of the major problems with android right now.
http://betanews.com/2012/04/28/goog...n=Feed+-+bn+-+Betanews+Full+Content+Feed+-+BN
Honestly I would love to see android be just android. All phones running the same version of android. I understand that no all phones can run 4.0 but every phone that runs 2.x should run the same version of 2.x, and every phone that runs 4.0 should run the same version of 4.0.
One of the biggest takeaways i had from the article above is that with apple, you are buying into a lifestyle. Everything is integrated, and the experience is the same across ALL hardware.
Heres to hoping for the best.

I'll jump into this flame-fest......
No one uses bing. Who cares?
That fragmentation nonsense is just hilarous, and is nothing more than a person trying to laughably say they are better than someone else because they chose to use a different phone.
17 year old emo kids who hang out at the apple store all day keep shouting that. What they fail to realize is that "fragmentation" = choice. If you want that "unfragmented" same old same old android phone, it's simple....buy a nexus device. Vanilla android right out of the gate.
But if you want "fragmentation" err, excuse me, what a normal person would consider *alternative choices* you can pick up any of the dozens or android phones currently sold that have carrier and manufacturer implemented changes. Some are subtle, some are very different.
In short, you are not superior to someone else because you drive a Chevy and they drive a Ford, because you use an Android and they use Winmobile, because you have a PS3 and they have an Xbox360. There is no better, there's only what a person prefers. For them. The worst kind of person in today's society is commonly believed to be a religious zealot, going around preaching to every one else how they are wrong because they go to a different church, or they go to one at all. They believe something, so they have to try and convince the rest of the world that what they believe is superior!
No one cares. Seriously, calm down, pour the kool-aid into the sink, and listen to what you are saying.

Cirkustanz said:
I'll jump into this flame-fest......
No one uses bing. Who cares?
That fragmentation nonsense is just hilarous, and is nothing more than a person trying to laughably say they are better than someone else because they chose to use a different phone.
17 year old emo kids who hang out at the apple store all day keep shouting that. What they fail to realize is that "fragmentation" = choice. If you want that "unfragmented" same old same old android phone, it's simple....buy a nexus device. Vanilla android right out of the gate.
But if you want "fragmentation" err, excuse me, what a normal person would consider *alternative choices* you can pick up any of the dozens or android phones currently sold that have carrier and manufacturer implemented changes. Some are subtle, some are very different.
In short, you are not superior to someone else because you drive a Chevy and they drive a Ford, because you use an Android and they use Winmobile, because you have a PS3 and they have an Xbox360. There is no better, there's only what a person prefers. For them. The worst kind of person in today's society is commonly believed to be a religious zealot, going around preaching to every one else how they are wrong because they go to a different church, or they go to one at all. They believe something, so they have to try and convince the rest of the world that what they believe is superior!
No one cares. Seriously, calm down, pour the kool-aid into the sink, and listen to what you are saying.
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Hold on so your saying that having touchwiz, sense, and blur help Android...
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Dougshell said:
Hold on so your saying that having touchwiz, sense, and blur help Android...
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its linux , get used to it.
Linux got as example Kde , Gnome etc.. never been a problem or fragmented, so having different frontends on mobile is just a company trend, until Google takes on the task to control the mobil interface, and then you're lost like users with iPhone, no chance of changes onless you got apples approval.

Dexter_nlb said:
its linux , get used to it.
Linux got as example Kde , Gnome etc.. never been a problem or fragmented, so having different frontends on mobile is just a company trend, until Google takes on the task to control the mobil interface, and then you're lost like users with iPhone, no chance of changes onless you got apples approval.
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Unfortunately your comparison doesn't work. I can install kubuntu and easily remove all traces of kde and replace it with gnome...try that with touchwiz
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If this discussion is going to continue, please keep the flaming/name-calling/fanboism out of it. Debating the merits of different mobile platforms will go on forever, and almost always results in the issues I just mentioned. Let's try to not let that happen here.

Your concept of open source is funny lol
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Condition of Blackberry

hey guys.....this thread is actually about a general discussion.
First tell me for what Blackberry is known for? Its OSBBM right??
But Now BBM is coming for Android and iOS...!!!
Now what will blackberry do to still keep itself in competition?
Any comments?? :cyclops:

Hrishikesh Somchatwar said:
hey guys.....this thread is actually about a general discussion.
First tell me for what Blackberry is known for? Its OSBBM right??
But Now BBM is coming for Android and iOS...!!!
Now what will blackberry do to still keep itself in competition?
Any comments?? :cyclops:
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Here's a question... would you purchase a blackberry just to use BBM?
If you did, how many of your friends currently have a blackberry so that BBM actually becomes useful to you.
Yes the service is highly touted but I believe that RIM has realised that they cannot truly expect to hold on to their user base simply by keeping BBM exclusive. A cross platform chat solution is currently lacking, hence the popularity of whatsapp and other apps like it.
If anything I would say they should have done this sooner, however, maybe they were waiting until the released their new OS, with the belief that it does, now, stand a fighting chance when giving people the option of acquiring BBM one iOS, Android or sticking with RIM

Really?
Anu6is said:
Here's a question... would you purchase a blackberry just to use BBM?
If you did, how many of your friends currently have a blackberry so that BBM actually becomes useful to you.
Yes the service is highly touted but I believe that RIM has realised that they cannot truly expect to hold on to their user base simply by keeping BBM exclusive. A cross platform chat solution is currently lacking, hence the popularity of whatsapp and other apps like it.
If anything I would say they should have done this sooner, however, maybe they were waiting until the released their new OS, with the belief that it does, now, stand a fighting chance when giving people the option of acquiring BBM one iOS, Android or sticking with RIM
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And what about whats app usere ehh?

We may be overlooking the fact that BBM was popular *during* the Blackberry era, when RIM was the reigning king of "smartphones". Fast forward several iPhone and Android releases, I am not so sure RIM's heralded messaging app has the same appeal as it once did. Plus, many people have found a home with other apps like Facebook Messenger, Whats App, etc already.
Side note:
Their latest device the Z10 actually looks great and felt pretty snappy when I played with a demo. Like Microsoft, I think they have an opportunity to carve out a niche following.

Yeah!
runningman04072013 said:
We may be overlooking the fact that BBM was popular *during* the Blackberry era, when RIM was the reigning king of "smartphones". Fast forward several iPhone and Android releases, I am not so sure RIM's heralded messaging app has the same appeal as it once did. Plus, many people have found a home with other apps like Facebook Messenger, Whats App, etc already.
Side note:
Their latest device the Z10 actually looks great and felt pretty snappy when I played with a demo. Like Microsoft, I think they have an opportunity to carve out a niche following.
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Well to tell you the truth, users change their favorites every time..!! Remember some years before how people showed their back to orkut? :victory:
And chanced their favorite social networking site to facebook..!!
So it depends on the particular content on what capable it is........if it does make a great impact (BBM) in the android family then people will definitely "MIGRATE" to the BBM.