The iPhone is closed and Android is open.
Well!
That's the conventional wisdom about the dueling mobile operating systems. Apple's iPhone operating system runs only on Apple's iPhone (plus the iPad and iPod), and every app must be approved by the company before it appears on the App Store. Android, which Google gives away for free, runs on dozens of phones from many different carriers, and anyone can freely upload new apps to the Android Market without approval.
But that conventional wisdom is showing a few cracks, at least on the Android side. Take the flashy new Bing app for Android, announced today by Microsoft: It's not available to all Android phone users -- only the ones that use Verizon.
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I think you don understand the concept of open source.
Pls brush up your knowledge before commenting.
Plus OS and apps are two different things. Don mix the soup with curry and start talking nonsense
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Brush your brain idiot
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Brush your brain idiot
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brush your own brain.
android is open means it is open source, we know the source of android.
it does not meat, everyone gets every app instantly..
Don waste time explaining to him if he refuses to listen or learn. Mod can close this thread.
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Is it just me or everyone is being super-aggresive here?
What are you talking about? Try to install Bing app and you will see that is not available anymore in Google Play Store or whatever you want to call it...then try to install the apk and you will get the web search is been stopped from an unknwon service or Big brother or whatever you want to call it. Don't try to be smart with me because you were just a little child when I started to work in the mobile industry... I hate people that attack without know anything about it.. Android is a disgrace !!...
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What are you talking about? Try to install Bing app and you will see that is not available anymore in Google Play Store or whatever you want to call it...then try to install the apk and you will get the web search is been stopped from an unknwon service or Big brother or whatever you want to call it. Don't try to be smart with me because you were just a little child when I started to work in the mobile industry... I hate people that attack without know anything about it.. Android is a disgrace !!...
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I don know where you pick up your knowledge about the mobile industry. *facepalm*
This is clearly an app problem and has nothing to do with the OS.
Your thread should be asking about bing app and not about android.
Email to the bing app team instead of whining here
Edit: there must be a reason why it is taken down from the play store. They might be repairing some bug. And the server might be down while they are fixing it.
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What are you talking about? Try to install Bing app and you will see that is not available anymore in Google Play Store or whatever you want to call it...then try to install the apk and you will get the web search is been stopped from an unknwon service or Big brother or whatever you want to call it. Don't try to be smart with me because you were just a little child when I started to work in the mobile industry... I hate people that attack without know anything about it.. Android is a disgrace !!...
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you still don't understand what open means
You don't have to tell me what is open source...even the walls know the basic concept. The thing is that Google has lost the control of android...to me a mobile OS fragmentation is bad....Onestly I don't even remember the exact number of android devices that I had in my hands ...rooted and not, with Sense or Cyanogen or even MIUI and just one iPhone4S with Jailbreak obviously....the true is that the iPhone 4S just works...it just works..how many times to I have to say it...if just was a little bit bigger would be perfect....and one more thing I have Bing also on 3 Uk carrier while with all the android devices I cannot have it anymore....shame one more time Google-android because Bing's unavailability is not the only problem...I could write a book to report all the android's problem.....Yes Ok the Widgets are nice but is not the only thing that count....the eco-system is more important than widgets believe me.
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ofcourse it is open..it is linux and linux is an open source..
@francomur99 , please don't insult people by calling them to brush their own brains . You should mind your language on this forum . And , if this is about the app problem , you should make a thread about Bing and don't make the matter worse by saying is it truly open rather than talking about the app . Because this is unfortunately not what you wanted to ask right? Do not say about others first , say about yourself first . Because , mainly people like this don't tend to know what they're doing in the first place . It is an open source btw . Did that solve your question ?
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You don't have to tell me what is open source...even the walls know the basic concept. The thing is that Google has lost the control of android...to me a mobile OS fragmentation is bad....Onestly I don't even remember the exact number of android devices that I had in my hands ...rooted and not, with Sense or Cyanogen or even MIUI and just one iPhone4S with Jailbreak obviously....the true is that the iPhone 4S just works...it just works..how many times to I have to say it...if just was a little bit bigger would be perfect....and one more thing I have Bing also on 3 Uk carrier while with all the android devices I cannot have it anymore....shame one more time Google-android because Bing's unavailability is not the only problem...I could write a book to report all the android's problem.....Yes Ok the Widgets are nice but is not the only thing that count....the eco-system is more important than widgets believe me.
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bugs has nothing to do with opensource or being openly developed.
its simply means anyone can use or abuse it (like you try to say). thats the deal with open source and environment.
its like a garden open to everybody and no one takes care of it, it dies at the end and no longer will be a garden where everyone is taking care of it together. Google only cares of the OS and drastic meassures someone make a hack to dial dirty numbers or so.
if android was closed like apple, you would see only what google wanted. you would get only that app google approved and yes, you would have only google phones out and it would become a gimmick like iPhone.
and winphone and other bada operating systems would gain more market value.
your specific Verizon issue is with Microsoft and another company, not Android or Google in this case, they just gave the option to restrict distribution, the choice is the developer of the product.
Here is a great article i just read that talks about some of the major problems with android right now.
http://betanews.com/2012/04/28/goog...n=Feed+-+bn+-+Betanews+Full+Content+Feed+-+BN
Honestly I would love to see android be just android. All phones running the same version of android. I understand that no all phones can run 4.0 but every phone that runs 2.x should run the same version of 2.x, and every phone that runs 4.0 should run the same version of 4.0.
One of the biggest takeaways i had from the article above is that with apple, you are buying into a lifestyle. Everything is integrated, and the experience is the same across ALL hardware.
Heres to hoping for the best.
I'll jump into this flame-fest......
No one uses bing. Who cares?
That fragmentation nonsense is just hilarous, and is nothing more than a person trying to laughably say they are better than someone else because they chose to use a different phone.
17 year old emo kids who hang out at the apple store all day keep shouting that. What they fail to realize is that "fragmentation" = choice. If you want that "unfragmented" same old same old android phone, it's simple....buy a nexus device. Vanilla android right out of the gate.
But if you want "fragmentation" err, excuse me, what a normal person would consider *alternative choices* you can pick up any of the dozens or android phones currently sold that have carrier and manufacturer implemented changes. Some are subtle, some are very different.
In short, you are not superior to someone else because you drive a Chevy and they drive a Ford, because you use an Android and they use Winmobile, because you have a PS3 and they have an Xbox360. There is no better, there's only what a person prefers. For them. The worst kind of person in today's society is commonly believed to be a religious zealot, going around preaching to every one else how they are wrong because they go to a different church, or they go to one at all. They believe something, so they have to try and convince the rest of the world that what they believe is superior!
No one cares. Seriously, calm down, pour the kool-aid into the sink, and listen to what you are saying.
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I'll jump into this flame-fest......
No one uses bing. Who cares?
That fragmentation nonsense is just hilarous, and is nothing more than a person trying to laughably say they are better than someone else because they chose to use a different phone.
17 year old emo kids who hang out at the apple store all day keep shouting that. What they fail to realize is that "fragmentation" = choice. If you want that "unfragmented" same old same old android phone, it's simple....buy a nexus device. Vanilla android right out of the gate.
But if you want "fragmentation" err, excuse me, what a normal person would consider *alternative choices* you can pick up any of the dozens or android phones currently sold that have carrier and manufacturer implemented changes. Some are subtle, some are very different.
In short, you are not superior to someone else because you drive a Chevy and they drive a Ford, because you use an Android and they use Winmobile, because you have a PS3 and they have an Xbox360. There is no better, there's only what a person prefers. For them. The worst kind of person in today's society is commonly believed to be a religious zealot, going around preaching to every one else how they are wrong because they go to a different church, or they go to one at all. They believe something, so they have to try and convince the rest of the world that what they believe is superior!
No one cares. Seriously, calm down, pour the kool-aid into the sink, and listen to what you are saying.
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Hold on so your saying that having touchwiz, sense, and blur help Android...
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Dougshell said:
Hold on so your saying that having touchwiz, sense, and blur help Android...
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its linux , get used to it.
Linux got as example Kde , Gnome etc.. never been a problem or fragmented, so having different frontends on mobile is just a company trend, until Google takes on the task to control the mobil interface, and then you're lost like users with iPhone, no chance of changes onless you got apples approval.
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its linux , get used to it.
Linux got as example Kde , Gnome etc.. never been a problem or fragmented, so having different frontends on mobile is just a company trend, until Google takes on the task to control the mobil interface, and then you're lost like users with iPhone, no chance of changes onless you got apples approval.
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Unfortunately your comparison doesn't work. I can install kubuntu and easily remove all traces of kde and replace it with gnome...try that with touchwiz
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If this discussion is going to continue, please keep the flaming/name-calling/fanboism out of it. Debating the merits of different mobile platforms will go on forever, and almost always results in the issues I just mentioned. Let's try to not let that happen here.
Your concept of open source is funny lol
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Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
Enjoy!
honeycomb is gunna rock peoples socks!
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Yeah -- have fun with your iPhone then.
HA It wont be dieing for me. I would never pick a iPhone over an android. Android so much more flexible and inventive in my humble opinion.
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Tomorrow does not have an 'a' in it.
And no, the iPhone will not kill the Android no matter what carrier signs it. iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof -- but the more advanced and adept users will always gravitate towards Android (linux) and Corporate users towards Windows.
Besides, iPhones to date have been overpriced and, like Macs, the only way you can run their OS is on their hardware. Android runs on everything from tablets to mp3 players to cell phones across a variety of manufacturers.
I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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Backhand hand smack in the mouth?
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iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof
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awesome dude... share it on twitter xD
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Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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Seriously?? No dev support? Have you taken the phone out of the box and used it?
You do realize that your posting about no dev support on one of the larger dev communities right?
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only used HTC handsets now for maybe 6 years or so, now purely android and a tablet as well.
wife has an iphone 3gs running the new OS on it, had her use my android handset for a week as a test ...
she admitted if it weren't for the games and stupid little bits and bobs she was used to having she'd sell the iphone and switch in a heartbeat but alas not to be
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Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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HA! no support from the devs? Try owning a palm pre. I just ditched one for the new evo shift, and so far I am LOVING the amount of support for android
Please don't feed the troll!
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone. As far as the pre i think it has the best os just horrible hardware.
Look at what Nividia showed running on the Tegra chips at CES.....1 year old PORTS of games that run on the Iphone perfectly.
Hardware is fine and dandy but NO SUPPORT guys. Its sad.
I honestly beleive once the iphone comes to verizon noone on BigRed will ever buy an android again. Atleast the common user. Well see soon. This is gonna be fun!!!!!!
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you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone.
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This is just blatantly wrong, so go troll somewhere else -- there's lots of big-name developers on Android, including some from the iPhone world.
And yes, there's lots of garbage on the android market, but it does work. Don't forget that Amazon will be launching their cleaned-up android market this year too.
@burtcom actually your proving my point. please show me ONE app that they focused on the TEGRA chips that isnt on the Iphone??? Please name one? Also Amazon market??? Ummm where is it? Ohhhh its not here yet....oh ok Let me know when it is!
Please name me the developers on Android...... Netflix (not yet)...Gameloft (ummm old ports from iphone) EA.....ummm wheres madden? Oh still in beta?
Dont talk when you have no clue!
Oh and if there are games on Gamelofts site (the Ports) there made for the droid phones and the resolution is way off wack!!! But enjoy
The US is the last place that the iPhone hasn't been available on multiple carriers. The rest of the world has carriers with both the iPhone and Android phones competing directly, and Android is still doing great there. A Verizon iPhone will probably put a dent in their Android handset sales, no doubt, but there's always going to be a segment of the market that want something cheaper, or more powerful.
So no, Android will be just fine after tomorrow.
And apps are not the be all end all. They only matter so much to iPhone because it's basically just a glorified app launcher with a few apps bundled in. You can't even see the current weather without launching an app.
OP, you do realize that the iPhone is available on many major carriers in the the rest of world, right? Do you seriously think the US has the biggest cellphone market? (The answer is no. I'm telling you this since you probably don't know the answer.) Android is still growing at a rapid rate and taking up market share in the rest of the world. We shall see how the iPhone 4 does IN THE US when it comes to Verizon. If iPhone 4 Verizon does destroy the Android, then Android will die ONLY in the US, not the rest of the world.
So what if many apps are ported from the iPhone? Why don't you ask why those developers are porting their apps over to Android if they don't see the potential of Android?
Technically, Android has the best developer that no iPhone developers can compare - Google itself. Where did iPhone's Maps and Youtube apps come from? Which OS has the better Google apps?
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good.
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You didn't ask, you simply implied that iOS is better. People here are just disagreeing with you. And most of your arguments are surrounding the game department of the iOS. What else do you have? Even if you bring some more things on the table, you still can't argue what I wrote in my first few paragraphs. Enjoy the iPhone. I honestly think it is a great phone, but I hope you didn't type your posts using the iPhone. If so, learn how to fully use your iPhone please, otherwise it would just be a waste, no offense.
When people keep talking about apps apps apps for iPhone, they are just talking about games. Really, ask any iPhone users what awesome apps they are talking about that aren't games, and they will not have an answer for you. Or name apps that also exist on Android. Netflix? Yeah, its pretty cool. But its not like its been out all that long for iPhone, and the video selection is pretty limited, AND it will be out for Android anytime now, since it was already leaked at CES.
Seriously, how many games do you need? I love playing games as much (probably more) than the next guy. And there is plenty on Android, and developer support is growing. If you need more games than available on Android, its pretty likely that you need to spend more time on other activities besides playing little casual games on your phone.
Besides, not all developers are in love with Apple. Look at Adobe and PrimeSense (the original developer of the XBox 360 Kinect controller). These are important players, that were completely turned off by Apple's need to domineer and control, and eventually gave up on Apple.
The OP implies that the only reason that not everyone owns an iPhone, is because they are tied to Verizon. There are plenty of people like me that have been on AT&T forever, but have no interest in the iPhone. AT&T customer for over a decade, and I've never owned an iPhone, and never will. If Apple had their way, there would be no variety in hardware, or how we use our phones. There will always be people that find these types of limitations suffocating and unacceptable. Some of us like to have the choice of more than one form factor (say a larger screen, or a smaller one, or a hardware keyboard), or to have a homescreen that isn't just a near-useless grid of shortcuts. It would be a sad place where only one device could exist. Luckily, things don't work that way, and there is always room for competition in just about any business. So with any luck, Android won't be going anywhere soon.
Sure the iPhone is popular. But saying an OS is doomed just because its not the most popular platform, and doesn't have the most games, then that's the same as saying Mac computer shouldn't exist either.
Android won't die tomorrow
But troll should die today
I don't know about others but to me a cell its more like a helping hand or what ever you like to call it. Atleast for the tech lovers like me. But we all have different ways of doing our day to day stuffs. Android appreciates and compliments that. That's why I will go for Android. For the level of freedom it gives you, not how many new cookies it have in the box.
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Android is for guys..... iOS is for girls. Really!
http://m.pcgh.de/(S(4c2p4i55naliy455fdiacc45))/News/Articleviewer.aspx?id=802741
Sorry link is in german but the pictures are multi-language
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Found this interesting Article on Fudzilla regarding how Android could be killed off by the suppliers of the phones. Figured I would share
http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/item/21611-android-could-be-killed-off-by-suppliers
Nice read but those publishers are idiots. The only way android will be killed of is if apple takes over the world and burns down google
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I pretty much summed up the article that if, Google doesn't take tighter control of how the suppliers are updating the phones, and if Google themselves do not ease up on releasing updates, then it might drive people away from Android phones due to the lack of support.
Twoddle.
At last report (that I know of), 300,000 people a day were activating new Android phones. I'm gonna guess here, but I reckon about 90% of those people don't give a monkeys about updated ROMs and new features. They don't understand enough about their phones to care. (Not an insult - just a statement.)
They'll keep their phone for the next 12/18/24 months and then get a nice new shiny one with the same OS cos it'll remember their contacts and they can download the same apps again.
Anyone that's in the other 10% know exactly how to modify the phone to suit their needs, and will only buy another phone because of the hardware. They know full well they can put whatever OS and apps on there they want.
For every bunch of people that leave Android to go iPhone, there'll be an equally sized bunch of people that leave iPhone to go Android. Change the OS names in that last sentence for other OSs to complete the story.
Analysts don't know squat. They're paid to make predictions that are less founded in reality than astrology. Besides, you can't be an analyst without anal.
Well said and very true
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Twoddle.
At last report (that I know of), 300,000 people a day were activating new Android phones. I'm gonna guess here, but I reckon about 90% of those people don't give a monkeys about updated ROMs and new features. They don't understand enough about their phones to care. (Not an insult - just a statement.)
They'll keep their phone for the next 12/18/24 months and then get a nice new shiny one with the same OS cos it'll remember their contacts and they can download the same apps again.
Anyone that's in the other 10% know exactly how to modify the phone to suit their needs, and will only buy another phone because of the hardware. They know full well they can put whatever OS and apps on there they want.
For every bunch of people that leave Android to go iPhone, there'll be an equally sized bunch of people that leave iPhone to go Android. Change the OS names in that last sentence for other OSs to complete the story.
Analysts don't know squat. They're paid to make predictions that are less founded in reality than astrology. Besides, you can't be an analyst without anal.
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A majority of customers don't care about updating the firmware of the phone. If it works, they won't complain. If it doesn't work, they'll bring it back for a warranty repair or simply get a new phone.
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Twoddle.
At last report (that I know of), 300,000 people a day were activating new Android phones. I'm gonna guess here, but I reckon about 90% of those people don't give a monkeys about updated ROMs and new features. They don't understand enough about their phones to care. (Not an insult - just a statement.)
They'll keep their phone for the next 12/18/24 months and then get a nice new shiny one with the same OS cos it'll remember their contacts and they can download the same apps again.
Anyone that's in the other 10% know exactly how to modify the phone to suit their needs, and will only buy another phone because of the hardware. They know full well they can put whatever OS and apps on there they want.
For every bunch of people that leave Android to go iPhone, there'll be an equally sized bunch of people that leave iPhone to go Android. Change the OS names in that last sentence for other OSs to complete the story.
Analysts don't know squat. They're paid to make predictions that are less founded in reality than astrology. Besides, you can't be an analyst without anal.
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Absolutely right.
On the other hand, i'm right outside that 10% bunch, but i'm just 17 and if i **** up my phone it won't be so good for me. I rooted, but i guess i am dumb enough not to know terminals and flashing and pushing stuff here and there
Anyhow- Android won't be killed. That's like when they said Linux was to be killed off in the early 2000's because Windows machines were supplied with an X amount of memory (about a 100mb extra than those running a distro)
Won't happen I mean come on what you think is the alternative? They want to pay the license? What happens if upgrade comes? who you think will pick up RIM? lol they are dead who else iOS? Sorry thats for iPanzy and who use that come on now, only other alternative is WM.
Also who wants to fight big Google? You think they will let it go easy? They can buy the ****ing company out and change the decision if they cared to just to send single message. Also then you have the user who can and is doing what they want hence you are on XDA? F the carrier support thats like saying you are bound to software hence your PC?
But the biggest problem with mobile world is the hardware which is not actually openly shared as opposed to computing world, where one can actually code the driver for support. BTW voddles your last sentence didn't make sense what so ever take it from someone who been using Slackware since it was created.
I for myself isn't that impressed of Android anymore.
Having used an X10 Mini since May 2010 (now 2.1 and some extra updates)
Wanted the Mini for the Android Hype, Spotify music streaming and smallness.
Love the phone still but getting more and more angered of lack of decent software/apps
Hate all the Android keyboards(not because of it's tiny on a 2.6" screen) but the lack of arrow keys and stupidity behavior (like unable to mark text and enter new).
Search function is limited too (In Market and others) It's impossible to editing an old search, you have to enter everything again.
Also getting more and more irritated on the Google in general.
Wanna have a new non Win, IOS, Bada, Android or Nokia stuff. Phone OS. Now.
Will not follow your guys inte 2.2 or 2.3
Journalism just seems to go down the toilet in the highly competitive virtual world of the internet.
"While HTC appears to be ahead of the game at getting new updates to uses, some outfits, particularly Motorola are developing a jolly bad name for themselves. You could upgrade yourself but he problem is getting your paws on unlocked boot loaders. Motorola's upcoming phones have locked bootloaders."
Locked bootloaders have nothing to do with official updates.
"However it looks to us like Google is going to need to put its foot down fast before the suppliers start killing off its operating system. The last thing people want is to get an Android phone and find it can't do something that has been advertised because some phone maker could not be bothered upgrading."
Put its foot down on a free OS? Ads go out advertising that all Android phones support roms? That all Android phone are upgradeable to the latest, greatest Android OS?
The whole article looks to be written by someone attempting to be sensational but really has no clue.
I remember when Android was new and you had all these manufacturers "skinning" Android. I was worried that a user may confuse a skin with the primary OS and incorrectly give credit or blame to that skin. People seem to love Sense UI and hate Motoblur. You impression of Android could vary depending on if you used an HTC vs a Motorola. That clearly did not happen.
Blåburk said:
I for myself isn't that impressed of Android anymore.
Having used an X10 Mini since May 2010 (now 2.1 and some extra updates)
Wanted the Mini for the Android Hype, Spotify music streaming and smallness.
Love the phone still but getting more and more angered of lack of decent software/apps
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'Lack of decent apps'?
Know why there seems to be a lack here?
You live in Sweden.
Last.fm doesn't work, Goggles doesn't work, Quickoffice doesn't work, trillian is probably locked out too...
Why didn't you get a netbook anyway?
Mine cost the same as the x10 mini did in May 2010.
Hate all the Android keyboards(not because of it's tiny on a 2.6" screen) but the lack of arrow keys and stupidity behavior (like unable to mark text and enter new).
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If that's what you wanted when you got the phone, why didn't you turn it in right away?
Yeah, they have arrow keys - on the ones with a sliding keyboard. Idiot.
Also getting more and more irritated on the Google in general.
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'The Google'? What does Google have to do with your Sony Ericsson phone?
Never gonna happen.
ksizzle9 said:
Nice read but those publishers are idiots. The only way android will be killed of is if apple takes over the world and burns down google
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Everything said here is somewhat true and somewhat false. We all have our opinions, we all have different expectations from our phones...
What i don't understand is, and i say this from a developer perspective, why would any mobile device manufacturer, like Sony, lock out their devices? Same goes for Apple etc etc
I mean, i think far more ppl would actually buy their products if they know that they have a open device and that it can run on all carriers. I mean, i actually bought my 1st iPhone just because of the fact that someone made an unlock tool so u could use it outside of AT&T networks...
As for the OS side, Android wont die ofc, and i believe its a good thing that Google publishes updates to it so fast. This means they are really dedicated to the project and that they really care for developers so they can make much better apps, with more features and capabilities.
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'Lack of decent apps'?
Know why there seems to be a lack here?
You live in Sweden.
Last.fm doesn't work, Goggles doesn't work, Quickoffice doesn't work, trillian is probably locked out too...
Why didn't you get a netbook anyway?
Mine cost the same as the x10 mini did in May 2010.
If that's what you wanted when you got the phone, why didn't you turn it in right away?
Yeah, they have arrow keys - on the ones with a sliding keyboard. Idiot.
'The Google'? What does Google have to do with your Sony Ericsson phone?
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Thanks for sharing your IQ level with the world, hopes you will be able to eat with a spoon sometimes in the future.
Just one remark a phone made by SE but using the Google Android do have a somethings with the Google to do, doesn't it.
The rest of what you wrote is not worth comments.
Sorry for upsetting you
When do you think an android OS for desktops will be created?
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Thanks for sharing your IQ level with the world, hopes you will be able to eat with a spoon sometimes in the future.
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LOL now thats comedy.
I have to somewhat agree with you about the virtual keyboard. Now coming from HD2 which has the best stock keyboard I have ever seen. The arrow key and able to select via drag is best when you typing but on AOSP the whole idea is retarded. I can still type every fast but not fast as I once was on HD2 then again where is that whole 4.3" out there.
Nice read but those publishers are idiots.
I personally am always going to be sticking with HTC. They usually update most of there phones and even if they dont someone will have rooted it and just made a <insert android version here> rom. Plus even if no one can root it i still love Htc Sense and it looks 100x better than Motoblur or whatever Sony uses.
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Thanks for sharing your IQ level with the world, hopes you will be able to eat with a spoon sometimes in the future.
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Now now children... please lighten up, much more important things in this world to be getting upset or to "fight" over... honestly...
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so true.....only 10% of peopel like us know what we really want to do with our phones....
This is just a PSA to all you vicious Android fanboys on this forum that hound anyone who asks the question "what phone should I get", especially when one of those options includes an iOS device or a WP7 device.
So let me get this started. I love Android. But Android is not perfect. Take a deep breath, and say it with me again, out loud.
"Android is not perfect." Was that too hard? If so the following explanation is for you.
Ever since Android first came out, people were hailing it as the iPhone killer. But in reality? It's really not. It may be getting there, and may be getting there quickly, but that's not that point.
It may be a surprise to many of you, but there are actually other human beings outside of XDA that use smartphones. Human beings that are not interested in rooting their phones or spending a lot of time completely customizing them or pushing them to the limit. These human beings want their phones to work when they need them, and that's all. Whether these phones are iOS, Android, or Windows Mobile/7 phones is completely irrelevant to them.
Except, it actually is. But see, not in the way most of you seem to think it is.
People shop for phones nowadays because the have an end they need to reach and they need the means to get to that end. Whether it's something as simple as checking an email message or quenching a thirst to play a game, they take into consideration what is the quickest, most hassle-free way to do this. This requirement is not because they are stupid. Most XDA users seem to think that anyone off XDA just buys iPhones because they are uneducated about "the true power of Android" and all that jazz. Guess what? That's not the case.
Yes. Here at XDA, we can do a lot with our phones. We root them, we build custom ROMs for them, we use features that were locked before, or get versions of our OS that aren't out yet.
But please be damn sure you understand that we are the minority. We will always be the minority. Your experience here doesn't define the mobile landscape, it only improves your personal experience with your phone. Just because you took a few hours to root your phone, find the perfect custom ROM, and settle down with it doesn't make the average Joe who just bought an iPhone (because it does what he wants easily and has all the apps he likes) a stupid user.
Here is the meat of this newsflash; Android wouldn't be here if it wasn't for iOS. (Going further, iOS wouldn't be there without Windows Mobile, and etc etc etc until we reached the very first man who asked 'why can't I see my email from my phone'). Apple took a chance on what people wanted, and realized they had something. They built an OS that was based on the ideals of OS X; simple, straight-forward, good looking, and well received. And so began the App and Data revolution. All of a sudden, the idea of having mobile data became real. These wonderful delicious little things called "apps" made the mobile world much more exciting than it had even been before. And so Apple hit a goldmine, and the mobile landscape had been painted. These apps were well-designed, fun, informative, useful, and people liked them so much, they started to buy paid apps. Apple knows how to market to people, and there success showed.
So then. Android.
Android was birthed out of the idea that Google could cash in on this app world. You may think the intentions were noble, with the idea that it was some pipe dream in the same way linux was; completely open mobile platform. After all, if Apple could have the success with a closed system, Google obviously could rock the world with an open one.
But it's not. Android, or at least what most people come to think of as Android these days, is not "open". It's open to phone manufacturers, and carriers, but that's it. It' snot open to the end user. Why else do we have locked down features, closed-source OEM skins that hinder future firmware upgrades? Why else do we have carrier-controlled Market restrictions? Why do some phones not ship with developer tools, or the ability to install from unknown sources?
Let me be frank. I love Android, but Android is a mess. It's a mess of a bunch of wonderful ideas that would have shined like nothing else in the perfect world, but a mess that didn't anticipate a simple fact; businesses like to make money.
The truth of the matter is that we don't have freedom with Android. Every little part of it has a restriction we need to bypass. Do you buy an expensive high end phone, or a cheaper low-end phone? Will you still be able to play those cool games on that low end phone? Will it get software updates? Is it safe from malware? Buying an Android phone has become the same as trying to buy a Windows PC.
It suffers from the same problem that Microsoft does when compared to Apple's line of computers. Apple builds its hardware AND its software, so they interface with complete precision and function. People with iPhones don't need to worry about security updates, or whether their phone will be obsolete. Apple may release a new phone every year, but the point is that those phones are made to last, both in terms of hardware and software. They even went the next step further and made the iPod touch, which gave phone users who weren't ready for smartphones a taste of what it was like.
My Sprint Hero came out on October 11th, 2009. The iPhone 3GS came out in June of the same year. Both were priced around the same amount, but what stands out to me the most when I think back to when I tested both that year? The fact it took Google this long to make an operating system which took ages to mature enough to be used by HTC to make a phone that STILL could not even give me a smooth web browser, something that the very first iPhone was able to do. Games on the Hero sucked in comparison to the 3D games that were playable on the iPhone.
Now then, Android smartphone hardware has advanced to a significant level, but the point of this whole rant is that Google has always been following in Apple's footsteps in the mobile world, and it's going to be that way for some time.
Be a bit humble about the begginings of Android and what it's become, and for f***'s sake, be a bit mature than just saying "LOLOLOL APPLE SUCKS GG GET ANDROID".
Because it's the rest of the world outside of XDA that defines the success of these mobile platforms, because I hate to say this, but you and I are not part of that outside world of mobile phone users, and we never will be.
The truth is, no one can really say what the "perfect" mobile OS is. All we can do is say what works best for us or what we prefer, but when we state it as fact, as though it's not arguable, that's when we become the fanboys that we so dearly hate. Just keep that in mind.
Opinions welcome, fanboyism from either side not wanted at all. Congrats on finishing this post.
Excellent post. Would read again.
Great things said there. I can see a point in it. But still, I don't either see Ios higher as Android since Ios is a mess too. Let me just take this simple statement. Music on a Ipod/Iphone needs to be converted from the computer to the device, you can't random download a song(on the device) from Internet and play it. Same as the file exploring.. if you want to search for a file, you find a file in some folder like: im/af/on/ar/qr, or just some folders which are messy, and the file types are unknown for the computer. All those small things give me the excuse to stay at Windows Mobile. Simply cause we can download music files and play it, simply cause there is great development on it, simply cause it can be customized how we want it.
Cool story bro
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Good job. That must have taken some serious thought to come up with.
This is something I 100% agree with.
When I had a Samsung Moment, I had problems galore with it. Keyboard wouldn't type, horrible support, and the big network lockup. Mind you, a network lockup where you can't call out to anyone is against FCC laws. But just to get some type of damn support for the thing, I almost had to root it. And I'm sorry, but I shouldn't have to depend on an online community for support for a phone when the carrier and manufacturer of the phone should be doing that. What the hell is the point in buying the phone and paying damn near $70 a month if I can't use the damn thing?
Let's also talk about performance of the Moment and how unoptimized it was. The Moment uses the same SoC found in the Iphone 2g, and 3g. The only difference, stock 2g and 3g SoC is 600 mhz, clocked down to about 422 mhz for battery, while the Moment was 800 mhz. Both arm11 cpu cores. The Iphone 2g and 3g despite having almost half the clocked frequency of the Moment, was smoother and had actual hardware support and acceleration. Even this day, Samsung still does not have proper hardware support for the SoC being used in the Moment, Intercept, Transform, Spica, etc etc.
If done right, Android is pretty awesome I'll admit. But if I want a phone to work, I'll get something that actually works.
big advantage of android, but also a weakness:
it works well on many devices, but its not optimised for the spezific hardware of each phone...
gosualex said:
big advantage of android, but also a weakness:
it works well on many devices, but its not optimised for the spezific hardware of each phone...
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Good understanding
I love android because I love to tinker. Nothing could ever change my mind short of the os aging. I will say this flaws or not I refuse to give apple my money. So it's either wp7 or android.
My words to live buy if I can't hack it I don't want it. Just my 2cents
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I would agree iPhones support is a lot longer no network changes added, updates can brick the phones though.
Android need some love. Fragmentation. Networks slow to update. Ui 's being to sluggish to update the phone to higher levels.
All android phones should be aosp no extras from makers or networks.
Love my cm7/miui.us phone but most people would want to flash it or know how to. They would just think might as well get an iPhone.
Just my feelings. I own apple computers. Custom built pcs android phones had iPhones I still use an iPod touch in the kitchen as you can get the best speaker docks for them. Use what works best for the situation.
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Android security warning !!
I think android is the best system, but its very insecure if you let it on stock and don't secure it, root it, get rid of some apps and optimize it.
Did you know that a normal app with all permissions can get all your data?
-gps location
-contacts
-logs
-screenshots
-hidden camerashots
-sms/mms
-emails
-photos
-etc
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS IS FACT !!!
There was a test in germany, where a developer made a app with all the rights to do the things above and send them hidden in the backround to a specified server to that he had access. So he could read and see all the things above and it was even updating immidiatly after a new sms or something came in and the testuser who installed it had no clue at all and was shocked when they told it to her.
The App itself was just making photos with a black censor stripe in the eyes and it seemed that it never could do that, but all the real action is going on in the backround.
By the way, he sayd it was very easy and many apps could do that and most of them really do that.
And what I know, many of you don't know or don't care and spread all your information to some companys that like to have them alot. And they allways want more.
Maybe you should spread this information by quoting this post or linking to it, because many people don't like to be ripped of their information.
Or do you like it, when someone is standing close to you and listens all what you say to your friends, when you have a private conversation ? I think not!
check out my signature also.
and be safe!
edit: i think i should post this as a new thread!
Great post, good read!!
Hard to say any mobile OS is perfect. But the world of mobile OS is developing quickly in recent years.
Haven't played extensively with Android and IOS. Currenly, I still think IOS is more polish. Android definitely have a lot of features and I am looking forward to where they take the OS to in the future. It seems like it's an OS that has a lot of support and has had to "grow up" really rapidly.
I actually agrer with everything in this post. Fact is the best technology in the world is technology that is stable, works, and allows the user to complete what ever task is needed.
Last night it was decided my wife and I are switching to verizon why? Cause the wife wants IOS and I am more partial to android and BB and thats the only carrier that has all 3.
Now to add on what was already said I think google needs to pick one manufacture purchase them then do exactly what apple does marry the hardware amd software together to get rid of what can be a problematic OS simply cause with some manufactures android is worse then on others.
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I think android is the best system, but its very insecure if you let it on stock and don't secure it, root it, get rid of some apps and optimize it.
Did you know that a normal app with all permissions can get all your data?
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You give apps on an iphone or WM phone permissions to do these things too right, so this is a more general problem in the new mobile world...
BTW, I like you're post LiquidSolstice, you could almost call it a fact, it's not that the one is better than the other. It's just that they are different and the majority of people likes easy and simple...
I agree with alot of what LS mentions in the first post. My wife is one of those who could really care less about rooting, overclocking, mem management, or even what version of Android she is using for that matter. She just wants to be able to send that text without the keyboard "hicupping", or to make that phone call without the dialer lagging, etc. I like Android, but I don't like Google's.. well let's say "less than kosher" business practices and corporate involvements. I think a big point to remember is that there will always be people like us that get a huge kick out of toying with electronics. For some, it's a hobby, for others, a career. With that being said, there will also always be those doofies that get on sites like this one and annoy the living crap out of you. Everything needs to be taken in stride, and though there are those who appear to be clueless on a subject, always remember that we all have to learn somehow. Knowledge is not obtained through osmosis.
Android feels like a permanent beta. I prefer iOS for simple tasks plusSbsettings is unmatched. WP7 seems more like a feature phone, it doesn't tell you 'I'm smart.'
I mostly agree
I don't think the problem with android is really the fact that more than one company is involved in developing phones for android. The problem is that those companies, (OEMs & carriers) have been given way to much freedom to decide not only what processor & RAM the phone would have but to put their "stamp" on android. I think the blame for that partially falls on Google for not putting a stop to OEMs & carriers putting their bloatware on phones. Google has been asked multiple times to do something about the "fragmentation" issue & they've refused, so ultimately they are partly responsible for the "mess" android has become.
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I don't think the problem with android is really the fact that more than one company is involved in developing phones for android. The problem is that those companies, (OEMs & carriers) have been given way to much freedom to decide not only what processor & RAM the phone would have but to put their "stamp" on android. I think the blame for that partially falls on Google for not putting a stop to OEMs & carriers putting their bloatware on phones. Google has been asked multiple times to do something about the "fragmentation" issue & they've refused, so ultimately they are partly responsible for the "mess" android has become.
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Well, carrier "bloat" --I put that in quotes because the current three major skins bring much needed features to Android (whether or not the execution is done well or not is a different argument)-- isn't quite what's killing it, it's the time spent optimizing the hardware for Android.
Android gets slapped on as many devices as possible and then sold as a low end affordable smartphone, and that's the issue, but that's the essence of Android at the same time.
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Excellent post. Would read again.
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+1 Outstanding post. Completely agree.
I want to hear your thoughts as why not to buy any other type of phone. Mainly because I need debate ammunition for my friends as they all traded up to Blackberry 9900s, and are now badgering me to switch over (which I never would). Thats like going back to the stone age right?
Thoughts on android vs. everything else? blackberries?
Discuss
It only does everything.
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Android is my OS of choice because the source code that my device is operating off of resides on my Ubuntu server at home.
My entire microSD is backed up when I connect to my home WiFi. This means that my pics/videos/etc are all managed by me on my own personal server. No iCloud or Picasa or Dropbox. Me.
I can freely install any app I want from any source including XDA-developers.com or Amazon Appstore.
Tasker.
Voice Search can do the most important thing a voice command app should: initiate navigation while I'm driving.
Because Google's servers are always accessible.
Bye bye BB.
Greetz
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I want to hear your thoughts as why not to buy any other type of phone. Mainly because I need debate ammunition for my friends as they all traded up to Blackberry 9900s, and are now badgering me to switch over (which I never would). Thats like going back to the stone age right?
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If you need our help to answer the question maybe you aren't ready for an Android device. Blackberry or iPhone would suit you well.
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Just get an iPhone because obviously you do not know why Android is the best mobile OS right now.
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I want to hear your thoughts as why not to buy any other type of phone. Mainly because I need debate ammunition for my friends as they all traded up to Blackberry 9900s, and are now badgering me to switch over (which I never would).
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Android isn't necessarily better, it just has different strengths and weaknesses compared to the others.
As to possible replies to your badgering friends:
- This works for me, why should I change?
- I'm a leader, not a follower.
- Why do you care? It's just a phone.
- It's against my religious principles.
- My (insert family member) was killed by a Blackberry. Thanks for bringing it up, you insensitive clod!
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My entire microSD is backed up when I connect to my home WiFi.
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How do you do that? Was looking for a working solution for a while but couldn't find one
Android is better because its my latest choice
Android is not necessarily the best for everyone. It has its weaknesses. But with that being said, Android suits my needs the best and that is why I think it's the best compared to other options.
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I want to hear your thoughts as why not to buy any other type of phone. Mainly because I need debate ammunition for my friends as they all traded up to Blackberry 9900s, and are now badgering me to switch over (which I never would). Thats like going back to the stone age right?
Thoughts on android vs. everything else? blackberries?
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Android steals and infringes on all the best ideas from all the other companies!
Open source...the end
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**this post is not designed to be rude**
If I knew literally nothing about smartphones and all the fun things I could do with them, or if I was interested in copying celebrities and young children, I would pick an iphone or blackberry.
Unfortunatly im interested in more freedom, interesting development community and customizing in all aspects. Android for me.
Well, Android is not appropriate for people that are tech illiterate and don't want to learn or will never learn, imo.
When I went to my phone carrier's booth to get back my Nexus S from RMA, a blond girl just exchanged her Blackberry for a Nexus S and she seemed completely clueless about how the phone worked and how to put music on it.
well, i never used other OS such ad iOS or blackberry.
for me 1. i like that robot image
2. much ROM i can choose and do my own modification
3. made by google, i have been using Gmail for 5years, so it's kinda influenced my choice.
4. friend suggested and i trust him
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Why android? To each their own,but for me...
- flexibility and personalization
- community of developers that push the limits of the device to do new things
- on principle, android isn't a status symbol like the iphone or other apple products
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Why android? To each their own,but for me...
- flexibility and personalization
- community of developers that push the limits of the device to do new things
- on principle, android isn't a status symbol like the iphone or other apple products
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Best answer. Closed topic!
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Android steals and infringes on all the best ideas from all the other companies!
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actually , all companies steal ideas from each other
This is something that I had encountered before. I have this close friend, we both done IT in our Universities but took different paths. He is the middle IT guy that just one to get things done and go home to play video games and does not enjoy IT as hole much.
He is an Apple addicted as it´s best. The same old speech: "It just works".
I told him, well, now that you choose to be a ***** Jedi that follows your Yoda master everywhere (not now as it´s dead), let me show you one thing that my Android does.
I opened my WfiKill app, and killed his connection to the world. I look into his eyes and said, see, I can cut you out of business and all your "Just Works" crap doesn't work anymore.
Moral is, it´s not what you do that makes you a smart person (Not all IT people thinks like it "should"), but is rather your "always on" feeling that something you do or have could be better. No Blackberry, no iOS and even WP7 at some extent will satisfies that feeling.
The HUGE IRONY is that the person who made the iPhone so desired by millions had the same thought of "seeking perfection" that most people here have. The difference is that on an iOS perspective, only Jobs, could do what we do with our Androids.
So you choose, you just use whatever Apple, or RIM, or MSFT wants you to use, or you switch to Android if you feel that what they want YOU to use is not enought.
For me is NEVER enought. Thanks XDA to allow me to keep feeding this awesome feeling of discovery and creativity which differentiates me from the "others".
Hey I know why I love my android, and for me it simply comes down to customization. When ever i get bored of the phone I flash a new rom. See how high I can get my Quadrant score. Mostly I love the screen the phone is pure eye candy... Super AMOLED + Voodoo control is amazing.
I know why i love android, I wanted to know why you love it and why you think it is the best. Don't be mistaken I am android fanboy... but not to the extent of some people on this forum. I think iphone and blackberry both have their advantages too. Thanks for the great responses.
I now refuse to use any Cyanogen products/mod/OS.
Microsoft is investing 70 million dollars into Cyanogen, Inc.
Cyanogen, Inc. is now threatening to wage an OS war with Google.
Honestly i've used CyanogenMod since 5. They are going the way of companies such as RedHat. Remember them?
Sad sad days.
The magic is gone.
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I now refuse to use any Cyanogen products/mod/OS.
Microsoft is investing 70 million dollars into Cyanogen, Inc.
Cyanogen, Inc. is now threatening to wage an OS war with Google.
Honestly i've used CyanogenMod since 5. They are going the way of companies such as RedHat. Remember them?
Sad sad days.
The magic is gone.
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Why is that a bad thing? What Cyanogen wants to do is have a more open Android system. Google seriously has too much control over it. Today, a lot of Android isn't as open as it used to be.
Even if Microsoft is investing in Cyanogen and pushing them to do something for the Windows Phone platform, I think that is a good thing.
Competition breeds innovation. If it wasn't for Apple, we'd still be on Windows Mobile 6.5 or Symbian S60. If it wasn't for Google, iPhones would still not have copy and paste.
Know this that at the end of the day, no single company should be able to strong arm the customer to use what they think is right. Apple tried to do that and Android grew as a result of it.
I agree with what you say, but it seems that Cyanogen (based on recent comments by C, Inc.) is going to use Microsoft to strong arm google.
The entire "we will take android away from google" is counterproductive imho.
We shall see as the situation transpires.
Money talks and sometimes ruins good things. Kondik is a rich man now.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...nogen-hopes-to-take-android-away-from-google/
That may be a biased thread but it does prove what I'm saying overall.
Here is the paragraph in that article that concerns me greatly.
Cyanogen takes the Android source code and modifies it, adding more features and porting it to other devices. It has also started supplying Android builds directly to OEMs (like the OnePlus One), which ship the software on devices instead of stock Android. Last week during a talk in San Francisco, Cyanogen's CEO said the company's goal was to "take Android away from Google." It wants to replace the Google Play ecosystem with apps of its own, the same way that Amazon uses the Android Open Source Project for its Kindle Fire products but adds its own app and content stores.
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I don't mind if they want to do what Amazon did with the Kindle line, but that statement by their CEO is a bold one indeed.
The funny part is that if they take the Amazon course, the community will just do what they did with the Kindle, root it and install google aosp.
I just pray that they don't discontinue CyanogenMod when their game plan starts to come to fruition.
We talk of fragmentation now...just wait. lol
I totally disagree that they want a more open system for android. If they are talking about their own store, etc...they want to control their own stuff, which in my opinion makes things more closed on their end.
Controlling their own identity if fine by me, but like I said....the consumer will deal with more fragmentation than ever.
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I just pray that they don't discontinue CyanogenMod when their game plan starts to come to fruition.
We talk of fragmentation now...just wait. lol
I totally disagree that they want a more open system for android. If they are talking about their own store, etc...they want to control their own stuff, which in my opinion makes things more closed on their end.
Controlling their own identity if fine by me, but like I said....the consumer will deal with more fragmentation than ever.
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You know what will happen? People will root the devices, remove their nonsense and flash Google Play services via TWRP..
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You know what will happen? People will root the devices, remove their nonsense and flash Google Play services via TWRP..
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I agree that it may be a good thing, with influx of capitol more can be done and anything which leads into a more open platform is imo a good thing. If they end up going down a M$ or Google path with their OS (if they branch out into doing something like that commercially) of controlling everything then yea... it's gonna suck. Small companies/people making a ton of money is not necessarily a bad thing. Time will tell.
Yes . Google has a lot of control over android and its good if Cyanogen wants to change that by making it more open source but having their own play store and services doesn't sound like that. It just kinda shows that Cyanogen wants to up their game and make some heavy money with Microsoft at their back.
As long as it ends up being good for us consumers , I am happy .
Competitions is a good thing. The more they compete the more we get.
OK OK I was a bit tired and grumpy about the cyanogen + Microsoft deal.
I wouldn't hesitate putting CyanogenMOD on my phone if/when it develops .
Still miffed about Cyanogen, Inc. pompous attitude.
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OK OK I was a bit tired and grumpy about the cyanogen + Microsoft deal.
I wouldn't hesitate putting CyanogenMOD on my phone if/when it develops .
Still miffed about Cyanogen, Inc. pompous attitude.
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Don't feel bad. Many feel the same way to the point of even removing their repos from their roms.
Well, I support Cyanogen. But having their own playstore? Fragmentation much?
In my last phone with cm, I never used any gapps or google services. Thats what true android is, android free of bloatware. The last thing I want is a custom rom with its its own set of bloatware.
If they keep CM the same, Ill stay happy. I never respected google with their policies regarding android or unauthorized use of resources by their gapps.
If they try to align with microsoft and perhaps collaborate with them, yeah, sure. I just hope they dont turn android into windows because in that case im out.
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OP, I dont understand why you support google that much. If googles trend keeps on going, android will end up like a bad iOS copycat, with so much taken away from AOSP.
never did use cyanogen. but i think it is a good idea on investing.
we need someone to rake the dough?
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Well, I support Cyanogen. But having their own playstore? Fragmentation much?
In my last phone with cm, I never used any gapps or google services. Thats what true android is, android free of bloatware. The last thing I want is a custom rom with its its own set of bloatware.
If they keep CM the same, Ill stay happy. I never respected google with their policies regarding android or unauthorized use of resources by their gapps.
OP, I dont understand why you support google that much. If googles trend keeps on going, android will end up like a bad iOS copycat, with so much taken away from AOSP.
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Simple: they are letting Microsoft directly in the front door. Sure MS makes revenue now from Android... but Google isn't welcoming them into the fold.
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Simple: they are letting Microsoft directly in the front door. Sure MS makes revenue now from Android... but Google isn't welcoming them into the fold.
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Really, thats it? I still dont understand why you support google. MS makes money out off android anyway, with their licenses and patents.
shadowcore said:
MS makes money out off android anyway, with their licenses and patents.
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I was about to say... if you think MS isn't already making money off of Android, you need to sit down and learn how all (or most) devices interconnect. Nobody in this sort of business allows cross-platform anything without getting some payment out of it, which is typically in the form of money.
LOL wanna reread my last post?
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...that said, if Google didn't want MS in their products, they could have just offered a closed system a la Apple (over-simplifying here, but I digress). Honestly though, if you want to blame something on this whole thing, blame the general userbase.
stycry said:
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...that said, if Google didn't want MS in their products, they could have just offered a closed system a la Apple (over-simplifying here, but I digress). Honestly though, if you want to blame something on this whole thing, blame the general userbase.
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Yes, but closed system would be totally in contrary of Linux' open source philosophy. They would have to abandon Android then
And now there are so many $$$ signs shining in Google's eyes....
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