Connecting Android tablet to external Touch screen - Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]

Hi,
If you have a Android tablet/device with Resistive Touch screen and HDMI out, you can probably connect an external LCD screen with Touch panel to it.
Based on- / inspired by- the Martin Drashkov experiment (martin.drashkov.com/2011/09/android-megapad-23-android-tablet-for.html) I tried a mod with a 23 inch Resistive touch Panel (and external LCD screen) on an Android Tablet with Resistive Touch screen and succeeded.
The Resistive screen tablets use - in most cases - 4 wire Resistive Touch panels.
These panels are "interchangeable". The 23 inch Resistive touch panel I used for my proof of concept worked absolutely fine and without the need to adjust settings on touch positions.
See my blog post about it:
beyondthekeeboard.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/bigscreen-android-with-touch/
If anyone is doing similar experiments, please share.
It is fun to know what else is going on.

Different approach
I`m digging your post out, since I´m just about to evaluate a different approach on adding a larger, external TS.
Since recent Android revisions have full support for USB host mode, it should be possible to use a large Multitouch-Monitor as output device (MHL to HDMI). The Touchscreen (Acer T231Hbmid MultiTouch) has an USB-Output for parsing the HID, which (I hope) should work with my SGS3.
I will post the results after testing this setup on weekend.

phozz4 said:
I`m digging your post out, since I´m just about to evaluate a different approach on adding a larger, external TS.
Since recent Android revisions have full support for USB host mode, it should be possible to use a large Multitouch-Monitor as output device (MHL to HDMI). The Touchscreen (Acer T231Hbmid MultiTouch) has an USB-Output for parsing the HID, which (I hope) should work with my SGS3.
I will post the results after testing this setup on weekend.
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Seriously would love to know if this worked.
I am thinking of getting a Android on a stick for use in a 23" touch panel exterior monitor for use as an interactive display at a trade show.
Wondering if this concept will work.

I have an Acer T231Hbmid MultiTouch and a MK802II Rikomagic device. I try, but i don´t get it to work. If you have any idea, tell me, i will test it.

Acer T231Hbmid + MK802II works (USB connected). Search for "Acer T231Hbmid + MK802II" at youtube.com (its a bit laggy). Just get the right driver compiled and insmod them with a terminal.

Here are some links that seem relevant. I have been wanting to try a similar thing over bluetooth (which is proving to be difficult so far). I am going to take a step back and try usb first now.
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/usb/host.html
http://source.android.com/tech/input/input-device-configuration-files.html
http://source.android.com/tech/input/touch-devices.html
The Asus Transformer seems to use an input device configuration(idc) file, as I had my friend take a look and indeed there existed more than on my GS3. I think it is for the touchpad equipped keyboard.

I've been trying to do this for a while with my Dell 22" touch screen and my Motorola Xoom and it finally worked by using a USB OTG adapter from Amazon for about £1.50. Winner.
The only problem I have is having to use a keyboard to go home as the bar at the bottom of the screen is not displayed to touch. Is there a work around to this?

you guys are awesome!
There is definitely a market for this. A lot of people I know would love to have a larger touch display that can be set up in a car that can be used to control music, maps, and that plays movies while connected to an android phone.
I say you guys should put these ideas together and work on getting patents before someone exploits the market.
If you hold patents, other people with more time and resources can further developed the concepts, while you still get a piece of the pie.
Brilliant!

Hi there.
Is there a small screen for this?
I'm thinking of a car screen for my phone. Something like a 7 or maybe 8 inches screen.

check it out
google mimicsx2 they have a solution for cars
onuris said:
Hi there.
Is there a small screen for this?
I'm thinking of a car screen for my phone. Something like a 7 or maybe 8 inches screen.
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pileiba said:
google mimicsx2 they have a solution for cars
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Another company looks like they have something similar to the MimicsX2 thing called "Smartphone Uplink SPU700". I am trying to find someone who has used it (or both would be excellent for an actual review/comparison ) before I buy one...

Woow interesting subject! :good:
I was wondering is there any possibility to do this with a nexus 5? My point is: can I make myself an external touch screen using the phone's slimport to hdmi capability to use it like an asus padfone or so (without additional battery)?

I would like to control my Samsung Galaxy S3 (MHL compatible) via a MHL 3.0 cable and this touchscreen. Any ideas/advice?

Hello I am trying to connect a 9" TFT resistive touchscreen and controller to my android device and are having headaches about the instructions for the drivers
Here is the link to the driver, I don't know how out dated this is but I'm trying it out, I have a Motorola Droid razr Model XT912
The device has an Micro HDMI output as well as micro USB. I have the USB adapter for the touch screen.
Link to driver
http://www.eeti.com.tw/drivers_android.html
Link to Touch screen
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/200946902251?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true

UAS specialist said:
Hello I am trying to connect a 9" TFT resistive touchscreen and controller to my android device and are having headaches about the instructions for the drivers
Here is the link to the driver, I don't know how out dated this is but I'm trying it out, I have a Motorola Droid razr Model XT912
The device has an Micro HDMI output as well as micro USB. I have the USB adapter for the touch screen.
Link to driver
http://www.eeti.com.tw/drivers_android.html
Link to Touch screen
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/200946902251?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
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This might be able to work on Android Tablets and Phones?
Can a resistive touch panel with a USB controller be an optional add on for Android Tablet
Android Tablets and Phones have capacitive touch panels built in so do some Windows 10 tablets. I have a 7" windows tablet and have simply placed a 7 inch resistive touch panel with a USB cont...
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[Q] Convert any android phone into android tablet?

This is more of a question or suggestion for developers. I've always had this thought and wondered why no one has implemented it yet? The big deal lately is all around Android Tablets, so I ask myself, why doesn't someone develop an accessory that turns any Android phone into a tablet. Ok, here's what I mean, I have an HTC Evo and love the phone, but oft times I find myself wanting the new Galaxy Tab by Samsung. Then when I think of it, the Galaxy Tab is basically a phone with a bigger screen. So why can someone design and sell a multi-touch screen that has a slot and connectors on the back that I could slid in my Evo and everything that would appear on my Evo's screen now appears on the larger screen. Now my Evo is a Tablet with all the access to the all the apps and functionality of the phone, it's just using a bigger screen.
The external screen would also have to contain a front camera but could use the rear camera and flash LEDs of the EVO if you left them exposed. Another option would be to include a battery in the larger screen for longer battery life.
What do you thing?
Good idea. Doubt any manufacturers would pick it up because then they wouldn't be able to sell you the same device twice. No chance of any 3rd party manufacturers picking it because of a lack of required output/input on devices.
I had the same exact idea 2day! I really want to do this for myself. Is there a way to just connect a touch screen (to display and control) to my phone via Bluetooth or the MicroUsb?
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I had the same exact idea 2day! I really want to do this for myself. Is there a way to just connect a touch screen (to display and control) to my phone via Bluetooth or the MicroUsb?
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Google did it with the giant Nexus S display, but it wasn't accurate at all.
lol.. Why is this so hard to do..
lol I think the problem is how to connect the phone to the said screen? For one the micro USB port placements are not the same for all androids, so slotting is out of the question.
Im not really concerned with the mounting of a screen to my phone, ill use duck tape if i have to.. ha. But in all seriousness a simple universal enclosure can also be made..
I like the idea of having a tablet.. but don't want to spend almost 500 for a larger version of my phone..
A friend of mine told me he saw on someone else's computer he found an interesting chinise accesory: it's like a dummy tablet 10.1" where you insert or plugin your Samsung Galaxy S2 and convert it into a Full operational Tablet.
He couldn't precise the brand, link, etc or if the cellphone used was in fact a Samsung Galaxy S2.
I'll do some research. At the moment I found this :
Since I cannot paste the link here, just copy and google this: "asus-unveils-padfone-mobile-convert-tablet"
Interesting concept!

Help me choose a tablet?

I have been searching but sites don't give much details.
My friend has a A500 and another has an Asus and they both have poor touch sensors, when selecting a word when typing it chooses the 4th word instead of the 3rd for example.
So I am looking for an Android tablet with a good sensor.
Dont care to wait for a Tegra 3.
My requirements in order of importance:
Very good touch sensor.
Needs HDMI out and 2 USB. for keyboard, mouse/controller and TV out.
10" screen.
Available to have Android updates either through being Rooted or not if possible.
Headphone out.
non-pentile screen.
things I dont care about:
Hardware keyboard
Software UI mods and additional apps
Camera
Sim card
removable SD card
overall size and weight
I think the word selection is a problem on most honeycomb tablets. I myself have a transformer and i mean maybe once every few weeks the touch sensor doesn't work but you just turn the screen on and off and it's fixed. The TF/Prim has hdmi and and you get USB with the keyboard dock. I would highly suggest you wait and pick up a Prime assuming they didn't go the route as later transformers and lock them down. But anywho Asus has proven they are good on updates
Dark lord me said:
I think the word selection is a problem on most honeycomb tablets. I myself have a transformer and i mean maybe once every few weeks the touch sensor doesn't work but you just turn the screen on and off and it's fixed.
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I had this on my Nexus One, it drove me crazy for a long time always having to turn the screen off constantly when using it at certain angles, sounds like a hardware problem, I wouldnt be surprised if Asus and Acer get their touch sensors from the same company.
Well with me it's a "ohh it will only take 10 seconds" really it doesn't take that long
I don't like any of the tabs out right now that most can buy, I would say the 10.1 seems like the best. I think the 8.9 could be better, but I have not tryed it yet. I would wait for the prime if you can.
i recommend these two to u, my brother decides to buy a tablet, too. These two are his results of searching. He will buy either of them. so posting here and offers u more options. : )
http://www.geartaker.com/product/m1...opers&utm_medium=minqing&utm_campaign=TA0039G
IPS screen, this screen is excellent! Its ability of video is strong and pwerful.
http://www.geartaker.com/product/gs...opers&utm_medium=minqing&utm_campaign=TA0029S
also IPS screen, and the ability of game-playing is stronger than the former tablet.
as far as i'm concerned, i suggest u not to wait for tegra3, it must be very expensive.
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Note 10.1 as USB Wacom for PC?

I could not find that this question has been asked, sorry if it has.
I was wondering if there could be a way for the galaxy note 10.1 to function as a standard wacom tablet for use on a computer through USB or something, like a bamboo or intuos tablet. Possibly even like a cintiq using remote desktop and photoshop?
Just wondering, thanks
alec.brown said:
I could not find that this question has been asked, sorry if it has.
I was wondering if there could be a way for the galaxy note 10.1 to function as a standard wacom tablet for use on a computer through USB or something, like a bamboo or intuos tablet. Possibly even like a cintiq using remote desktop and photoshop?
Just wondering, thanks
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When and if the scene gets bigger, im sure it would be possible.."HOPING"
I was also thinking if pressure sensitivity would work through RDP/VNC - that would allow using desktop paiting apps on tablet (although with some limitation - RDP/VNC mostly has less colors and some lag).
Magnesus said:
I was also thinking if pressure sensitivity would work through RDP/VNC - that would allow using desktop paiting apps on tablet (although with some limitation - RDP/VNC mostly has less colors and some lag).
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That's what I was thinking of. I know the remote desktop clients are a little laggy on tablets and maybe not ideal, but at the very least it would be fun to paint with the Note on my PC. I don't know how small the market is for using this tablet like a wacom pad, and the note 10.1 is kind of niche on it's own, but for people like me who draw casually and don't want to drop more cash on a wacom it's ideal.
alec.brown said:
That's what I was thinking of. I know the remote desktop clients are a little laggy on tablets and maybe not ideal, but at the very least it would be fun to paint with the Note on my PC. I don't know how small the market is for using this tablet like a wacom pad, and the note 10.1 is kind of niche on it's own, but for people like me who draw casually and don't want to drop more cash on a wacom it's ideal.
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This the main reason why i obtained it, Samsung/Wacom! They knew exactly who to go for, unlike HTC.
Sad though, i was hopping that HTC did grew over it, but nope.
alec.brown said:
I could not find that this question has been asked, sorry if it has.
I was wondering if there could be a way for the galaxy note 10.1 to function as a standard wacom tablet for use on a computer through USB or something, like a bamboo or intuos tablet. Possibly even like a cintiq using remote desktop and photoshop?
Just wondering, thanks
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As a USB-conncected input peripheral - probably not. "Penabled" digitizers such as the one in the SGN10.1 use a different set of software drivers than the Intuos and Bamboo non-display digitizers. This is because the underlying hardware is different; Penabled styli cannot be used interchangeably with Intuos/Bamboo styli, although many of the nibs (regular, felt, stroke) can fit either type of stylus. Technically it may be possible, but Wacom probably wants to maintain a clear distinction between its' product lines.
With remote desktop software - yes, but there may be mismatches of screen resolution which would complicate fine-line drawing control, and pressure response would be lost. And added lag due to the remote connection.
Best to get a Bamboo or Intuos if you really need a graphics tablet for a desktop/laptop - the software drivers allow scaling the digitizer area to single and multiple displays; more levels of pressure response; and stylus tilt response and touchpad controls are available on the Intuos series. (But not cheap - the Intuos 6x8 runs about $350.)
Search for a cheaper intuous 2, 3 or 4 used. They are good tablets, the new ones are not that different in functionality, just thinner (the 4 is just as thin as the 5) as an added bonus you gain pen rotation and the eraser on the other side of the pen (which I use but not everybody does).
If you really want something smaller and don't care about the rotation of the pen then get a bamboo (as usual if you want slightly cheaper get a used older model).
DBBGBA said:
Search for a cheaper intuous 2, 3 or 4 used. They are good tablets, the new ones are not that different in functionality, just thinner (the 4 is just as thin as the 5) as an added bonus you gain pen rotation and the eraser on the other side of the pen (which I use but not everybody does).
If you really want something smaller and don't care about the rotation of the pen then get a bamboo (as usual if you want slightly cheaper get a used older model).
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Yes, good advice - my Intuos2 from 2002 is still good. Doesn't have the touchpad controls of the current Intuos5, but works fine. Wacom driver updates still include the Intuos2, from WinXP to Win7, and probably beyond. Styli, nibs, and most accessories are still available for the Intuos2 as well.
alec.brown said:
I could not find that this question has been asked, sorry if it has.
I was wondering if there could be a way for the galaxy note 10.1 to function as a standard wacom tablet for use on a computer through USB or something, like a bamboo or intuos tablet. Possibly even like a cintiq using remote desktop and photoshop?
Just wondering, thanks
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Getting a Galaxy Note at the end of the week, this is the first thing that crossed my mind, if it could double as a Cintiq. My best guess is that its possible, specially considering the power inside the tablet, and maybe a usb 3.0 connection -____- Still haven't seen any sofware up to it though. I would gladly pay for any software that enabled this. Otherwise, I guess Sketchbook Pro for Android will do, I have used it with a capacitive stylus (ugh) and it did ok, can't wait to get Wacom superpowers on the go =) I also own an old HP PC tablet with an active digitizer, but its to heavy lo lug around daily, and a wacom bamboo for my PC tower, so I have high expectations on this. I just cannot wait to put my hands on the Note.
BTW for the phone Note, there is this, dunno if it works on the tablet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_JeueI7aLE
Ayle87 said:
Getting a Galaxy Note at the end of the week, this is the first thing that crossed my mind, if it could double as a Cintiq. My best guess is that its possible, specially considering the power inside the tablet, and maybe a usb 3.0 connection -____- Still haven't seen any sofware up to it though. I would gladly pay for any software that enabled this. Otherwise, I guess Sketchbook Pro for Android will do, I have used it with a capacitive stylus (ugh) and it did ok, can't wait to get Wacom superpowers on the go =) I also own an old HP PC tablet with an active digitizer, but its to heavy lo lug around daily, and a wacom bamboo for my PC tower, so I have high expectations on this. I just cannot wait to put my hands on the Note.
BTW for the phone Note, there is this, dunno if it works on the tablet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_JeueI7aLE
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Wow, see this:
http://www.piip.lv/galaxy_note_digitizer_graphics_tablet_for_pc.html
And at another tread, Angelo Troedhan told us about app "Unified Remote" , I think soon we would have full cintiq powers and use our device also with desktop software.
A similar thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869803
Sorry if I didn't find this one before starting the "duplicated" linked one
Nimel said:
Wow, see this:
http://www.piip.lv/galaxy_note_digitizer_graphics_tablet_for_pc.html
And at another tread, Angelo Troedhan told us about app "Unified Remote" , I think soon we would have full cintiq powers and use our device also with desktop software.
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Yeah that's the link on the youtube video. Thought it does what a Bamboo would do, I would like to see if using it as a cintiq is possible. For the cool factor, really
The reasons Galaxy Note 10.1 has potential to become drawing tablet are... 1,024 pressure sensitivity(about 4 times higher than Note) and it's big enough to actually draw on it.
I will buy any app that transform Galaxy Note 10.1 to Wacom Especially if it works with Ubuntu.
Hi Everyone,
I registered on xda-developers just to post on this thread. I'm getting into Android app development, and I will be getting a Galaxy Note 10.1 in a few days. Like many others, one of the first ideas that came to mind after playing around with the Note was finding a way to use it as a writing tablet (WACOM style) for PC. I do a lot of tutoring and having an affordable way to provide a screencast of what I'm drawing to students when working out a problem or teaching would be very useful for me.
I'm planning on writing a simple app to let Note users control their PCs with the S Pen. From there, using some PC based software to transmit a screencast over skype for example should be straightforward. I think the most difficult part will be getting pressure sensitivity information to the PC and into applications, since usual ways of emulating input are just to control the mouse pointer position, and button and keypresses.
I'm not sure how long it'll take, but it's nice to know that there are other people out there who would be interested in this kind of functionality.
develapper said:
Hi Everyone,
I registered on xda-developers just to post on this thread. I'm getting into Android app development, and I will be getting a Galaxy Note 10.1 in a few days. Like many others, one of the first ideas that came to mind after playing around with the Note was finding a way to use it as a writing tablet (WACOM style) for PC. I do a lot of tutoring and having an affordable way to provide a screencast of what I'm drawing to students when working out a problem or teaching would be very useful for me.
I'm planning on writing a simple app to let Note users control their PCs with the S Pen. From there, using some PC based software to transmit a screencast over skype for example should be straightforward. I think the most difficult part will be getting pressure sensitivity information to the PC and into applications, since usual ways of emulating input are just to control the mouse pointer position, and button and keypresses.
I'm not sure how long it'll take, but it's nice to know that there are other people out there who would be interested in this kind of functionality.
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Wow, it You succeed You would be a lotta people's heroe including me :laugh:
As I wrote in my OP on this issue the way to a full functional Wacom dig tab function of Note 10.1 could be managed like THIS:
Basic prerequisites:
Note 10.1's digitizer FACTUALLY IS a WaCom digitizer ! I have the Bamboo digitizer connected to my PC via the wireless USB dongle.
Step one:
Download "Bamboo" drivers to PC
Step two:
Write a WiFi and Bluetooth connection interface for Note 10.1 to transmit digitizer info from Note 10.1 to the installed PC drivers via WiFi or Bluetooth
Step three:
Create an app for Note 10.1 that resembles the physical surface of the Bamboo dig tab including multi-touch input (e.g. two-three and four finger swipe functionality) and the four hardware buttons.
?.................... could You finish this over the weekend please ..............? :laugh::good::laugh::laugh:
?.................... could You finish this over the weekend please ..............?
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It would be a miracle if I do, I think lol
I agree with your idea of how to go about building this, except that I think using the current Bamboo drivers might not be so easy. The drivers will be expecting a real Bamboo tablet to be connected to the computer over USB (direct or wireless dongle) and will communicate with it directly. To be able to use the original Bamboo drivers, we'd have to reverse engineer the communication between a real Bamboo tablet and the drivers, and then somehow write a new device driver that pretends to be a USB device, and then communicates on one side with the Note (not impossible) but on the other side pretends to be a real Bamboo tablet to communicate with the real Bamboo drivers, the same way a real Bamboo tablet does.
What I'm thinking (still have to look into it) is that Wacom probably published some kind of documentation for how third party apps can use the tablet input including pressure sensitivity. This will tell us how for example Photoshop retrieves pressure sensitivity input.
Maybe this project won't be very simple after all.
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What I'm thinking (still have to look into it) is that Wacom probably published some kind of documentation for how third party apps can use the tablet input including pressure sensitivity. This will tell us how for example Photoshop retrieves pressure sensitivity input.
Maybe this project won't be very simple after all.
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Maybe this link can be useful?
Maybe this link can be useful?
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I looked at that link, it looks like the software part of the development kit isn't available online, only by email if you buy the hardware development kit.
I did a bunch more research and talked to an engineer at Wacom USA, and I think I have a fairly good picture of how this whole thing works.
Essentially, Wacom tablets are USB devices. There are two ways a digitizer tablet can get its information into an application.
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The USB protocol includes the HID device class, which any USB device can claim to be. Within the HID device class is a category for digitizers. When an OS finds a USB device plugged in that claims to be an HID digitizer, the basic drivers in the OD take the info (X, Y, pressure, tilt, etc) that the device provides, and makes it available through it's own APIs. In Windows, the Windows Ink API does this. It's pretty recent, and I don't think too many applications use it.
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The device can have a custom device driver, which communicates with another subsystem running on the host machine (on Windows it's called wintab), which then communicates with applications like Photoshop. Wintab exposes an API to applications to allow them to get events and info from the digitizer. Wintab is maintained by Wacom and is an open industry standard. Most hardcore stylus apps (photoshop, corel draw etc) use wintab to get stylus info.
The Wacom engineer told me that writing a device driver that will communicate with wintab is a very difficult and long process, and usually takes hardware manufacturers years.
On the other hand, exposing the Note's SPen data (X, Y, pressure) as a USB HID device is equally difficult - it requires writing some kind of virtual USB device driver, which fools windows into thinking a real USB HID digitizer is attached. This would also only make the SPen data available through Windows Ink, which would be useless for everyone uses real stylus applications.
So basically, this project is not very possible, unless someone can come up with a very clever way around all these problems.
In the meantime, I'm going to write a very simple S Pen compatible VNC client for Galaxy Note. VNC servers are cross platform (I use Ubuntu & Windows) and VNC clients are very straightforward. With SPen and palm rejection, this could at least allow someone to use the Galaxy Note as a drawing tablet, albeit with no pressure sensitivity.
I was afraid that what you report could be the outcome of your research.
Your points are very much reasonable and it's also equally reasonable that the Wacom technology, available on the GNote, cannot be so easily exploited as to make the GNote a valid substitute of a Wacom commercial and separately sold product.
Nonetheless your "limited features" project could be very useful for us.
I've recently experimented using Splashtop 2 HD: when opening a basic paint program (MS Paint) on my W7 PC and using Splashtop 2 HD on the GNote it's possible to make drawings with the S Pen.
With this app the pen's responsiveness and accuracy is not bad, but also not completely satisfactory (but I can understand that's not the main scope of such an app) and, of course there's no pressure sensitivity...
Anyway, all this means that it's really possible to have some features of a graphics tablet through the GNote and there's a possible way to go.
I think that an app specifically designed for that could have a very good performance (and ways better than what you can achieve with a generic "remote desktop" app like Splashtop 2 HD) and a good response from Gnote users.
But, for sure, if anyone could find a smart way to read (or simulate) the pressure sensitivity, it could be a wonderful advance in the desired direction.
air display
I use air display and sometime idisplay as an input device with the PC and Mac at home. It turns your phone into a second display, but the lag is noticeable.
air display - works on ios, android, pc and mac
idisplay
If your project install the driver direct on the PC, that would be really wonderful!

Little Basic Help

I apologize, but I live 300 miles from any town with electronic stores to seek these answers, I also would be reluctant to trust a sales person anyway. I am a smart phone aholic and get tremendous amounts of good Intel on this site, so I came here.
I really need to update my laptop and am thinking of getting the new Surface. The way I understand it is you can buy a case with a hard keyboard, so you can use it like a laptop, and also take that off and make it a tablet. How do you install new software? Does it have a DVD, or do you connect to external? Is there any drawback to this device? Thanks
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If it's a Surface RT the only way to install software is through the Windows 8 app store. If it's a Surface Pro you can install any software you would on a PC including apps from theb Windows 8 app store. I'm pretty sure you could hook up an external DVD drive to it...
big70tom said:
I live 300 miles from any town with electronic stores
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I'm convinced you could only be living under a rock or a cave in the middle of nowhere. :laugh:
big70tom said:
Is there any drawback to this device?
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A Microsoft Surface is not a replacement for an actual laptop despite what anyone says. The answers to all of your questions is "Yes", however, you are still making a compromise. I love my Windows 8.1 Pro tablet, I use it daily, however you aren't going to be as "productive" as you would be getting an actual laptop?
The Surface (Pro) is a really good buy for the fun factor.
The thing you're thinking of buying is the Type Cover (the second generation one has backlit keys and is a bit thinner, but the first-gen one is cheaper and works fine). It's a full-size keyboard (that is, the keys are full-sized and at the usual spacing; it obviously doesn't have room for the full 104-ish keys of a desktop keyboard) plus a trackpad. It is not a case in any traditional sense, although it does work as a screen protector when "closed". It connects magnetically; removing it and reconnecting it is literally a snap (or perhaps "clack!") The magnets are strong enough you can fold the cover behind the tablet (although with the type cover this feels weird because the keys can move beneath your fingers, but at least they turn off automatically) or even dangle the tablet from the cover (not recommended but a cool trick anyhow).
Installing software is done the same way you would on any recent PC; you download it. The tablet has WiFi built in. There's a built-in store that can install and update "modern" apps, but you can also just download programs off the web/FTP servers/whatever. If you need to install off of an actual optical disk (CD or DVD) rather than a disk image (which Win8 can mount as a virtual drive), you will need an external optical drive that connects to the tablet using USB (there's a full-size USB3 port on the side of the Surface Pro). If you really need a wired network connection for some reason, you can get a USB Ethernet adaptor (they're only a few dollars) but that will take up the tablet's USB port. You can also use (USB) external hard disks or flashdrives with the tablet, as a way to transfer files including installers. I recommend getting a USB hub (ideally, one that can handle USB3) if you're going to use a lot of USB devices.
As for drawbacks, the biggest one is arguably that it's small. It's thick for a (modern) tablet, but at only 10.8" (about 28cm) diagonally, the screen is on the small size for a laptop. The case also doesn't have room for a lot of ports. You've got the aforementioned USB3 port, a miniDisplayPort, a headset (headphones+mic, like for a smartphone) port, a microSD card slot, the magnetic power connector (which is also where the stylus rests), and the magnetic cover port (which is how the covers send keyboard and mouse input to the tablet). No VGA (you can get a converter for the miniDP port, though), no surround sound output (the built-in speakers are ok for a tablet but nothing special), no serial or parallel ports (you can use a USB adaptor), no PS/2 port (USB adaptor), no wired Ethernet ports (USB adaptor), no card-reader for anything bigger than microSD (USB adaptor), nowhere to install additional storage or an optical drive (USB...), and only one USB port (hence the recommended USB hub). The Type (or Touch) covers offer very usably-sized keyboards, but a lot of keys are missing or require you to hold the Fn key at the same time. The next-biggest drawback is probably the price-to-specs ratio; while very attractive compared to other "ultrabooks" and high-end x86_64 tablets, you can get a more powerful actual laptop for half the price. The first-gen Pro also has a pretty mediocre battery life (5-ish hours) and a kickstand which only opens to one angle (which some people find to be not the correct angle for them). None of the internal components (battery, CPU, RAM, Flash storage, etc.) are removable/replaceable/upgradable, and the max specs of the original Pro (5GB of RAM, 128GB of internal Flash storage) aren't very impressive. There's also no dedicated graphics processor; the integrated Intel graphics are OK for light-to-moderate gaming, but not for serious gamers or any task requiring much GPU acceleration.
With all that said, it's a very nice, compact, lightweight 64-bit Windows computer with an excellent display (for the size), excellent stylus and touchscreen, very durable body (even without cover, though you really should get one anyhow), and good manufacturer support. It's usable as either a tablet or a laptop, and while it can't be said to be ideal for either, it's pretty good.
To give you any more advice on whether it's suitable would require knowing a lot more about why you're thinking of buying one and what you'd be doing with it.
Which I had read and understood a review like yours before I made a compulsive purchase on Christmas night! I purchased an RT 64GB version, not realising that it is not very well supported on the available app front.....no Google chrome and very few other apps that I have become to consider standard with my Samsung Android tablet. I think note in hind sight I should have purchased the pro version but the price difference from Tesco was GBP 400 vs GBP 950 for the pro. I agree that you should definitely get the cover keyboard and the old version (mk I) is on special offer at GBP 45 vs GBP 99 for the mkII with back light keys.
Oh and there is no onboard GPS receiver so forget navigation!
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[Q] What windows 8 tablet should I buy?

I'm thinking about buying a windows 8 tablet, but I'm having trouble deciding which one to get. There are a couple of options that I'm considering:
The Asus T100- The main reason I am considering this tablet is the included dock+keyboard and the fact that it has a full site USB port, which I would like for my FreedomPop USB dongle and my xbox controller wireless receiver. The screen is mediocre and the build quality is shoddy by several accounts. The processor is not the top of the line 3770, but the lower specced 3740.
The HP Omni 10: This is what I wish the Asus tablet was. This has a full HD 1920x1200 screen, compared to the t100s 1378x700 screen resolution. It also includes the best bay trail processor available, which is considerably faster than the t100. It also has a micro-hdmi port, which I would like for displaying movies in my college dorm tv. The only thing missing is that full size USB port. It has a micro USB port, but I don't know if a micro-USB to USB converter would be able to support things like the FreedomPop dongle, the xbox wireless adapter, and maybe an external hard drive. If it does support it, my problems are solved. If not, what are your suggestions? Do you know if those accessories can run under a micro-USB to USB adapter?
FroZebra said:
I'm thinking about buying a windows 8 tablet, but I'm having trouble deciding which one to get. There are a couple of options that I'm considering:
The Asus T100- The main reason I am considering this tablet is the included dock+keyboard and the fact that it has a full site USB port, which I would like for my FreedomPop USB dongle and my xbox controller wireless receiver. The screen is mediocre and the build quality is shoddy by several accounts. The processor is not the top of the line 3770, but the lower specced 3740.
The HP Omni 10: This is what I wish the Asus tablet was. This has a full HD 1920x1200 screen, compared to the t100s 1378x700 screen resolution. It also includes the best bay trail processor available, which is considerably faster than the t100. It also has a micro-hdmi port, which I would like for displaying movies in my college dorm tv. The only thing missing is that full size USB port. It has a micro USB port, but I don't know if a micro-USB to USB converter would be able to support things like the FreedomPop dongle, the xbox wireless adapter, and maybe an external hard drive. If it does support it, my problems are solved. If not, what are your suggestions? Do you know if those accessories can run under a micro-USB to USB adapter?
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What do you plan on using this tablet for?
Well, I have the Dell Lat10 with win8 pro. I got it back in the spring. It works fairly well, but I don't really use it often. I would suggest you make sure that no matter which you get, you might want to spring the extra for the full Windows 8, not RT. I know a bunch of people who got the RT and realized they couldn't do anything they wanted to do and were limited to the Windows Store for options.
GipsyDanger said:
What do you plan on using this tablet for?
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Basically, I want to lug it around in my backpack around college for taking notes, recreational purposes in the dorm, like watching movies, plugging it into the big screen, some light gaming with the xbox controller. I would also appreciate the better screen and more powerful processor. And I figured out the USB otg cable does work on the omni, so the obvious choice is the omni. Now I just need a good tablet holder so I can type using an external keyboard.
And by the way, to that other dude, don't answer just to answer haha. None of these tablets have windows RT; they both have full windows 8, the omni is $50 more expensive than the t100 at $400., they both sport a micro SD card reader and a micro USB, the omni has a micro hdmi port, the t100 has a full size USB port. The t100 has a keyboard dock included in the cost, while the omni has a full HD 1920x1200 screen compared to the 1378x780 screen. The omni also has a decently faster processor than the t100. So the omni for me is the clear choice.
Anyway, about that tablet holder: I just need something that will be able to stand on a lecture hall flimsy desk. Any suggestions?
I would look into the Dell venue pro 11.
Replaceable battery
Stylus with ntrig
Accessories available
Matches hp omni specs closely
Taking class notes on a tablet is rough without a stylus and palm rejection. You might want an ultrabook or hp split. Anytime you want to draw, write a formula, or place a device on uneven or small area input gets hairy.
FroZebra said:
Basically, I want to lug it around in
my backpack around college for taking notes, recreational purposes in the dorm, like watching movies, plugging it into the big screen, some light gaming with the xbox controller. I would also appreciate the better screen and more powerful processor. And I figured out the USB otg cable does work on the omni, so the obvious choice is the omni. Now I just need a good tablet holder so I can type using an external keyboard.
And by the way, to that other dude, don't answer just to answer haha. None of these tablets have windows RT; they both have full windows 8, the omni is $50 more expensive than the t100 at $400., they both sport a micro SD card reader and a micro USB, the omni has a micro hdmi port, the t100 has a full size USB port. The t100 has a keyboard dock included in the cost, while the omni has a full HD 1920x1200 screen compared to the 1378x780 screen. The omni also has a decently faster processor than the t100. So the omni for me is the clear choice.
Anyway, about that tablet holder: I just need something that will be able to stand on a lecture hall flimsy desk. Any suggestions?
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FroZebra said:
Basically, I want to lug it around in my backpack around college for taking notes, recreational purposes in the dorm, like watching movies, plugging it into the big screen, some light gaming with the xbox controller. I would also appreciate the better screen and more powerful processor. And I figured out the USB otg cable does work on the omni, so the obvious choice is the omni. Now I just need a good tablet holder so I can type using an external keyboard.
And by the way, to that other dude, don't answer just to answer haha. None of these tablets have windows RT; they both have full windows 8, the omni is $50 more expensive than the t100 at $400., they both sport a micro SD card reader and a micro USB, the omni has a micro hdmi port, the t100 has a full size USB port. The t100 has a keyboard dock included in the cost, while the omni has a full HD 1920x1200 screen compared to the 1378x780 screen. The omni also has a decently faster processor than the t100. So the omni for me is the clear choice.
Anyway, about that tablet holder: I just need something that will be able to stand on a lecture hall flimsy desk. Any suggestions?
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The omni seems like a pretty good tablet. I'd say wait until Black Friday and Cyber Monday to see if there are any good deals on more high end tablets, maybe you can find a deal on a Surface Pro.
HP Omni 10 otg?
I would also like to know if the HP Omni 10 has OTG-usb support and 3G dongle support, via an otg cable.
I found in internet the specifications and says: MicroUSB2.0 typeAB connector (Support Host Mode Only)
Does anybody knows if this means it may supports OTG via otg cable?
The Omni 10 has much better screen because is Gorilla 3, anti-glare and anti-smudge. I would like it had a keyboard included, but I hope a usb-keyboard can be connected.
Another interesting win 8.1 tablet is the Lenovo miix 2: 8''. According to internet comments it seems it supports otg.
Can anyone confirm the hp omni 10 has microusb that support otg?
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Can anyone confirm the hp omni 10 has microusb that support otg?
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Really late, but I can confirm It supports OTG

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