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So many to choose from these days.... eh? I'm a loyal Windows Mobile fan myself but let's see what everyone else thinks! Feel free to express your opinions in this thread about your favorite OS.
They all have their strong and weak points, but for me, my OS of choice is Android
As much as I love Android, I still feel like the iPhone OS feels the most polished OS out of the group. Sorry, but that's just my personal perspective. But if it were only based solely on features and function, it would be Android! Unfortunately, aesthetics and usability are big factors for me in an OS and Android just lacks those characteristics at the moment.
I've tried a few including WM for 4 years. But, I've settled on Android...for now
I'd say Android, mostly because it's based off the Linux kernel, making it extremely versatile. I used to love WM because of its open-ness, but Android is a much more polished OS compared to WM, yet with all the customization and openness that WM has (until WM 7.x). Considering I'm running Android on my iPhone 2G, my Kaiser, and my Rhodium, Android wins on the versatility and customization factor.
androidlicious said:
As much as I love Android, I still feel like the iPhone OS feels the most polished OS out of the group. Sorry, but that's just my personal perspective. But if it were only based solely on features and function, it would be Android! Unfortunately, aesthetics and usability are big factors for me in an OS and Android just lacks those characteristics at the moment.
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While yes, some people don't like the look of Android (I don't mind it), I most certainly don't think that the iPhone's "all gloss and shiny" is any better.
Looks like another thread involving Android versus iPhone comparison, though other OS are also going to be discussed. I would rather keep my mind open and try to understand as much as possible what each has to offer first before making judgement. I'm trying to do that in this thread. You're invited to participate.
One important consideration is what sorts of hardware choices the OS let you have. iPhone is extremely functional, fast, smooth, visually appealing, and customizable, have great applications and ecosystem, but doesn't give user the choice of a 4.3 inch screen like Android. I'm hoping to look for something positioned in between the iPad and iPhone.
Voted for android, after having tried an iphone 3gs for fit and having bought a desire instead.
My background has been a long line of symbian and win mobile phones, starting with p800 and finishing with the htc hd.
Don't get me wrong, the iphone was good in terms of user experience and apps, but I don't like non or pseudo multitasking and the apple attitude towards devs and development.
That was the same reason I didn't wait for a win 7 phone, as it seems that microsoft is heading the same way.
Meego might be good, but right now it's only on paper.
Sorry for referring to slightly off topic OSs but there is an "other" choice on the poll, no ?
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Don't get me wrong, the iphone was good in terms of user experience and apps, but I don't like non or pseudo multitasking and the apple attitude towards devs and development.
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This I do agree.
Maemo followed by Android followed by Symbian
If the OS is taken by itself with no external factors (e.g. apps), then I would say Palm's WebOS as the best OS. If it was the OS with everything it comes with, then iPhone OS is my favorite.
I voted for the latter. It's silly to think of an OS by itself when it can be augmented by apps.
WinMo for now, but ask me again in 6 months to a year, defiantly Android.
Windows Mobile!
I think there is another thread with same subject...can´t find it
Same here!
WM all the way
Android ftw !!
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I've heard lots about Maemo. I'm going to look into that one, sounds nifty
android for me...i should noe ive used them all...
Up until now, Android/Winmo phones have been expressed as "Iphone" killers and never vice versa. Android has been steadily improving, as well as Winmo, with the new future release of Winmo 7. Yet with the Iphone 4, Apple might be attempting to create the Android/Winmo killer.
The Iphone 4, using video chat, Retina 960 x 640 display with IPS, HD video recording, multitasking (I found this ironic because of the fact that Apple took copyright in Multitouch, but never thought of their actions in taking multitasking from Android/WebOS.), and all the other features. It is jampacked with features and other goodies that makes it seem much more awesome to people.
Well, with the Iphone 4, it only gives us Android/Winmo users the determination to beat down the Iphone 4. Although we might not have the simplicity and variety of Apps as the Iphone, we certainly do have much more powerful phones, more customizability than the Iphone, and rights to do whatever WE want to OUR phone.
So, as I finish, what can you, XDA members, come up with that will make the Iphone 4 look like nothing compared to the Android/Winmo phones of today?
iphone4 is just a gimmick for all the simpleton sheep out there, its outdated and doesn't bring anything new to the game, just stolen ideas passed as their own. Android is the way to go, so much potential and freedom
Video chat only works on wifi. So you can't video chat on the AT&T's network. Big disappointment for iPhone users. No video chatting while driving; you have to wait til you get to the office or home.
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iphone4 is just a gimmick for all the simpleton sheep out there, its outdated and doesn't bring anything new to the game, just stolen ideas passed as their own. Android is the way to go, so much potential and freedom
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Stolen ideas I agree with, only they manage to come up with a brand name to make it sound like a new apple invention so all their followers genuinely believe that apple innovated them.
I hate the way apple do business, but in hardware terms, I think they have a very good phone here. I sincerely hope that HTC have something up their sleeves to at least equal, but hopefully better this new iPhone.
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iphone4 is just a gimmick for all the simpleton sheep out there, its outdated and doesn't bring anything new to the game, just stolen ideas passed as their own. Android is the way to go, so much potential and freedom
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Apple has great marketing. they steal other ideas and market them as though it is new and innovative, when all the while, most of what they are offering is the same and usually worse the Android or Windows or even PalmOS counterparts.
Stop making iphoney threads please!!
Please read before create another thread with redundant topic
Agreed. This topic is useless and will only generate flaming and arguments. Closing it down and please don't start a new one.
anyone got any? I'm a supporter of WP7 so I'm not so good at selling android but she wants to know so yeah. Any ideas o_0
You should really take her to Bestbuy so she can try one out. The phone is too big to be practical in my opinion.
Well, it's Android, so it's automatically superior.
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If laggy mediocre unattractive UIs are your thing I guess. I prefer something fluid. WP7 may not yet have the market but hey, it's doing better than android right out of the gate and the vast majority of ours arent ringtone packs and fart apps.
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If laggy mediocre unattractive UIs are your thing I guess. I prefer something fluid. WP7 may not yet have the market but hey, it's doing better than android right out of the gate and the vast majority of ours arent ringtone packs and fart apps.
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Maybe you have lag on 2 year old devices. There's absolutely zero on my EVO. Also, the vast majority of your apps aren't anything because you barely have any apps on WP7. According to Koush (from the CyanogoenMod team), the app approval process for WP7 development is also a nightmare, so I wouldn't expect it to garner much attention on that front. WP7 is basically dead in the water (like BlackBerry) because it can't compete with Android and iOS.
your going to get bored with the streak if you plan on making use of it for daily use, HD7 is sleek and compact, plus android is good is your going to tweak, personally i dont like android out of the box
The big difference between the two: Streak works on ATT's 3G, HD7 works on T-Mo's. However, if you're not tied to any one carrier, the big thing to take into consideration is the deliciously monstrous screen. I've only played with a demo unit, but even running Android 1.6, it was a fun unit to play with. The deal killer for me was that I would be using it as my primary phone, and the awesomest feature, the giant screen, is also its biggest drawback, as it would cause it to not fit in my pants. However, since women carry those purse things, and otterbox makes an outlandishly large case for it to protect it from other purse-bound items, it may be an option. As mentioned above, take her to best buy and let her play with a unit. That'll be the best way to let her see if she'd like one. They've also recently dropped to $100 on contract, which sweetens the deal considerably.
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Maybe you have lag on 2 year old devices. There's absolutely zero on my EVO. Also, the vast majority of your apps aren't anything because you barely have any apps on WP7. According to Koush (from the CyanogoenMod team), the app approval process for WP7 development is also a nightmare, so I wouldn't expect it to garner much attention on that front. WP7 is basically dead in the water (like BlackBerry) because it can't compete with Android and iOS.
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I thought that as well until I played with WP7
the lack of GPU acceleration is a dealbreaker.
The main reason for it being harder on apps than android is so we don't get cluttered with garbage apps like ringtone apps and hundreds of fart apps. Android may have more but 99 percent of it is things no intelligent person would touch. WP7 is a more practical approach and not meant for third graders. That paired with a much better UI, well, theres not too much that could go wrong.
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I thought that as well until I played with WP7
the lack of GPU acceleration is a dealbreaker.
The main reason for it being harder on apps than android is so we don't get cluttered with garbage apps like ringtone apps and hundreds of fart apps. Android may have more but 99 percent of it is things no intelligent person would touch. WP7 is a more practical approach and not meant for third graders. That paired with a much better UI, well, theres not too much that could go wrong.
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Hmm. Let me take a look at the Android Market. No, I can't say I see ANY "fart apps or ringtone apps." Of course, I don't look for new apps by browsing the "just in" category. The "top apps" categories and new "similar" tab provide everything I need for a junk-free Market experience. Oh, and I like my homescreen to be more than a bunch of boring, solid-colored boxes. That "speed" you mention comes heavily at the cost of customization.
no its the lack of gpu acceleration. no cost just poor software. Last I checked I wasnt a 3rd grader who needed a pic of the girl Im crushing on for a homescreen. I'm happy with constantly updated tiles that at one quick glance tell me everything thats going on. Now can anyone tell me any benefits aside from gaming to this OS not the typical fanboy reply "It's better by default." I honestly cant come up with one other plus aside from size.
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The main reason for it being harder on apps than android is so we don't get cluttered with garbage apps like ringtone apps and hundreds of fart apps. Android may have more but 99 percent of it is things no intelligent person would touch. WP7 is a more practical approach and not meant for third graders. That paired with a much better UI, well, theres not too much that could go wrong.
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Stop regurgitating whatever Steve Jobs says. What's with your fixation on fart apps and ringtones?
If you're asking for opinions, act like a grown-up and consider what others are sharing with you. If you want to dismiss everything as OMFGANDROIDSUXLULZZZ then stop wasting everybody's time, go get a goddamn WP7 phone. Stop trolling and GTFO.
Actually I was an android fanboy since the G1, I loved it and would not touch an iphone .with a 10 foot pole. Odds are I've done more to android phones than you or many others. I still root and flash android phones as a side job. I also build my own roms for the nexus one and a few others. I would like a valid reason other than gaming that the streak is better than the HD7 because she is generally interested in the large screen. But you know, with your all caps 1337sp33k you totally showed how capable you are of acting like an adult.
Wow you root and flash Android phones? Dude, you're so pro! Remember, you're the one saying Android is for third graders... so I'm not even going to waste any more time discussing adult-like behavior with you.
Again, if nothing can convince you that Android at its state today is superior to WP7, then by all means go get a WP7 phone. What's holding you up? It seems like you have already made your decision. So, stop fishing for opinions that you know you will dismiss without consideration, and go buy your wife the HD7. I sincerely hope you both enjoy it. WP7 isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it hasn't reached the maturity that Android has. That's the general concensus and there's not much you can change there.
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Wow you root and flash Android phones? Dude, you're so pro! Remember, you're the one saying Android is for third graders... so I'm not even going to waste any more time discussing adult-like behavior with you.
Again, if nothing can convince you that Android at its state today is superior to WP7, then by all means go get a WP7 phone. What's holding you up? It seems like you have already made your decision. So, stop fishing for opinions that you know you will dismiss without consideration, and go buy your wife the HD7. I sincerely hope you both enjoy it. WP7 isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it hasn't reached the maturity that Android has. That's the general concensus and there's not much you can change there.
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No, the desire to customize a UI just doesnt make sense to me. I mean with android itt did because with the UI it would just be bland without customization but the same customization is not necessary on a windows phone. I want herto get the streak because I know she likes it and regardless I still like android it's just not right for the business oriented consumer (me) but she wants a fun phone. I just want to know aside from market is there anything that android beats out WP7 on. That is my one simple question. I know it is a more fun phone but she wants hard facts. I'm already sold on the streak for her taste to be honest. It's her opinion as well however and she (like most women my age) can't make up her mind about anything.
^ dude you are so funny. You bash android every chance you get. First in the WP7 forum, now in the general forums. What are you seeking, vengeance?
The only thing I bashed was when someone said "It's android, it's better by default." I want her to get android because it's better suited for her and she wants a huge screen so I thought streak instantly. I ask the members of the community for facts because she wants them and in return get biased statements that have nothing to do with specs. All I'm asking for is facts.
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The only thing I bashed was when someone said "It's android, it's better by default." I want her to get android because it's better suited for her and she wants a huge screen so I thought streak instantly. I ask the members of the community for facts because she wants them and in return get biased statements that have nothing to do with specs. All I'm asking for is facts.
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The same way that it is a "fact" that Android apps are nothing but ring tones and fart apps?
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I don't know what your wife wants in a phone, but the only "apps" my wife uses on her current phone are the browser and solitaire, which work well in both Android and WP7, so as far as it would apply to her, the flamewar between Android and WP7 would make no difference, and I don't know why it has been carried into this thread. As far as the streak and HD7 are concerned, both are gigahertz devices with half a gig of ram and gorilla glass. The streak has a larger LCD, but it's tft as opposed to the hd7's slcd, so there is that. Also, memory cards on the streak can be shuffled around without busting your warranty, so if the OP's wife moves a lot of data around, that could be important. Also, wp7 has Netflix streaming support, so of you're retarded for Netflix like I am, that may factor in. The streak also uses a goofy proprietary cable, which really doesn't make much difference, but does rub me the wrong way for a reason that I don't fully understand. Other than that, not sure what would be relevant to the OP's question.
I never stated that that was all androids market was composed of. It is composed of some of the best games and that's why I'd think she'd find it more appealing. Someone brought about the fact that the apps on WP7 were harder to get approved and I stated that is to prevent the majority of the market from being junk apps. I'm sorry but 186 different fart machines on android. That says nothing about the system just the app people. I do want to thank the post before mine for those facts, you have sold her on the streak where I couldnt because I don't know much about it's android experience (Dell's custom UI or whatever) and I appreciate that.
No prob, man. Glad to help. I do stress that you should take her to go play with a physical unit before committing to the purchase, though. It is surprisingly thin and easy to hold, but any pressure on the screen makes it do that weird LCD color-smudge thing, and while I was able to use it easily, there were times that the digitizer wasn't reading my swiping gestures correctly. Honestly though, now that it's down to $100 on contract, I'm regretting having cashed-in my upgrade already. What was unreasonable to purchase for $300 is pretty tempting at $100. Oh well, still won't fit in my pants, lol.
With all the bull**** Apple is saying they have patented that Android is copying (such as slide to unlock), I've been thinking... Wouldn't it be great if all Android devices moved to edge-to-edge displays then claimed ownership when Apple ends up doing the same thing?
For that matter, if Android gets rid of physical buttons before Apple there's another thing Android can claim. With Android devices being released all year and Apple devices once annually, Android should start hitting all of the hardware innovations at least 1 quarter before Apple and it will start to appear that Apple is copying Android and EVERYTHING that iOS 5 does is copied is already in use by either Android and/or Windows mobile (you know it's bad when Windows Mobile does something before you).
I'm not really an Apply or Android fanboi. I liked Apple when it offered a superior product and now I like Android because it offers a superior product. I'm an economist-to-be and I hate the monopolization of information. Classic case of humanity holding back humanity. If the last decade has taught us anything it should be that open-source beats EVERYTHING (... eventually... if people like the initial product) Because no company can compete with the entire world being your potential developers.
And yeah, Samsung OBVIOUSLY copies the iPhone. BUT the operating system is superior and that's what people want. The quality of an iPhone hardware (minus ****ty antennas of course) with the freedom of Android.
Apple needs to allow developers the freedom that Android allows and I prey to god that that is why they are hiring all the jailbreakers/jailbreak app developers... because the best thing in the world for Android is a better iPhone.
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With all the bull**** Apple is saying they have patented that Android is copying (such as slide to unlock), I've been thinking... Wouldn't it be great if all Android devices moved to edge-to-edge displays then claimed ownership when Apple ends up doing the same thing?
For that matter, if Android gets rid of physical buttons before Apple there's another thing Android can claim. With Android devices being released all year and Apple devices once annually, Android should start hitting all of the hardware innovations at least 1 quarter before Apple and it will start to appear that Apple is copying Android and EVERYTHING that iOS 5 does is copied is already in use by either Android and/or Windows mobile (you know it's bad when Windows Mobile does something before you).
I'm not really an Apply or Android fanboi. I liked Apple when it offered a superior product and now I like Android because it offers a superior product. I'm an economist-to-be and I hate the monopolization of information. Classic case of humanity holding back humanity. If the last decade has taught us anything it should be that open-source beats EVERYTHING (... eventually... if people like the initial product) Because no company can compete with the entire world being your potential developers.
And yeah, Samsung OBVIOUSLY copies the iPhone. BUT the operating system is superior and that's what people want. The quality of an iPhone hardware (minus ****ty antennas of course) with the freedom of Android.
Apple needs to allow developers the freedom that Android allows and I prey to god that that is why they are hiring all the jailbreakers/jailbreak app developers... because the best thing in the world for Android is a better iPhone.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
What do you mean by the best thing in the world for android is a better iphone?
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What do you mean by the best thing in the world for android is a better iphone?
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Competition breeds innovation. For example, there are plenty of apps that get made for iPhone that are eventually ported over to Android.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
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1) I guess I don't care about sense or touchwiz or motoblur ect. it doesn't matter because with Android I have the freedom to remove it.
2) All Apple has ever done is copy others and clean it up. I guess you can all that innovation if you like and I won't argue. I'm saying that patents in general are bad for innovation and in general it's better for consumers if company A copies all the the things that company B does right and tries to fix all the the things that company B does wrong. That is evolution. I don't think evolution should be illegal. And assuming that Apple hardware and software are better than Samsung's and the phones are priced similarly a rational consumer would never purchase a Samsung phone, and that obviously isn't the case.
Aside from that, I'm 100% sure that Apple infringes upon patents held by numerous other companies. All large corporations do. Most don't go suing everyone when it happens. If Apple thinks they are so much better than Android then just one up Android at every turn and they will always hold more market share.
3) If Samsung is truly that horrible then Apple shouldn't have to sue them. No one would buy their products and they will go out of business.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
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You forget most of us really do not care about the "retail software" in the phone. All the phones that are sold IMHO have real crap for their oem software. That is why we are here. As far as phones go My Galaxy phone has been beyond great in so many ways and is hands down so much better than the Iphone and its ios. People forget that the Galaxy phone was released at the same time of the Iphone 3 and it still outperforms the Iphone 4. So to me, hardware that provides that longevity and flexibility is quite notable
And I love iPhone for reliability just as Apple users love Macs for reliability. I don't care so much for reliability anymore. I care about flexibility & freedom. I don't like that access to 90% of my iPhone is locked off. I don't like a boring screen full of little squares. I'm glad that Apple exists for those people who use to get Viruses once a week on their PCs, I don't plan to ever get a virus on my PC and if I do I know how to fix it. Just like my phone, I know Android takes time to tweak but I like the option to put 1000 hours into my phone to make it what I want it to be but that isn't the point of this thread really. I'm just thinking that two years from now Android will hold all the patents and Apple will regret this petty bull****.
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1) I guess I don't care about sense or touchwiz or motoblur ect. it doesn't matter because with Android I have the freedom to remove it.
2) All Apple has ever done is copy others and clean it up. I guess you can all that innovation if you like and I won't argue. I'm saying that patents in general are bad for innovation and in general it's better for consumers if company A copies all the the things that company B does right and tries to fix all the the things that company B does wrong. That is evolution. I don't think evolution should be illegal. And assuming that Apple hardware and software are better than Samsung's and the phones are priced similarly a rational consumer would never purchase a Samsung phone, and that obviously isn't the case.
Aside from that, I'm 100% sure that Apple infringes upon patents held by numerous other companies. All large corporations do. Most don't go suing everyone when it happens. If Apple thinks they are so much better than Android then just one up Android at every turn and they will always hold more market share.
3) If Samsung is truly that horrible then Apple shouldn't have to sue them. No one would buy their products and they will go out of business.
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Name the things Apple has copied. But don't include the iOS5 notification bar.
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You forget most of us really do not care about the "retail software" in the phone. All the phones that are sold IMHO have real crap for their oem software. That is why we are here. As far as phones go My Galaxy phone has been beyond great in so many ways and is hands down so much better than the Iphone and its ios. People forget that the Galaxy phone was released at the same time of the Iphone 3 and it still outperforms the Iphone 4. So to me, hardware that provides that longevity and flexibility is quite notable
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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And at least Android offers choices... Many people around here love pure Android and that's fine but I'm glad I have at least 3-5 flavors of Android. Even if I never use more than one of them.
As far as Samsung's phones go. Some say they are the best and others say they are the worst but at least with Android if I don't like Samsung I have alternatives... I don't care for Sense but I'm amazed at how many people I meet who refuse to buy anything but HTC for Sense.
Symbian ftw! Haha.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Name the things Apple has copied. But don't include the iOS5 notification bar.
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Android
1) Notifications bar
2) Wireless syncing
3) Tabbed browsing
4) Split keyboard
5) Opening apps from the lock screen
6) Air Updates
7) Finally have some half ass widgets in the dropdown menu
8) drop down menu
Blackberry
1) iMessage is completely jacked from blackberry
Windows Mobile
1) Auto upload pictures to facebook/twitter in camera app
And really? Aside from those features, WTF is in iOS 5? They haven't done ANYTHING innovative. And I was planning to get an iPhone 5 all year because I expected them to take everything from Android AND expand and they didn't. They played it safe. And on top of that they have numerous updates all year and ALL they really do is annoy jail breakers.
One could argue that they have all these outdated features being added because they only really expand features once a year, and that may be a great argument but to me it's just another reason to be pissed off at Apple.
"If Apple was honorable... -- not going ballistic over generic features that everyone shares -- no one would bat an eye. But Apple is still the biggest kid in the sandbox, and when it wants to take its ball and go home, it does so with a big public show[,but] Apple running off with someone else's ball isn't a problem at all." - Mike Schuster http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2011/06/07/apples-ios-5-directly-lifts/
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Android
1) Notifications bar
2) Wireless syncing
3) Tabbed browsing
4) Split keyboard
5) Opening apps from the lock screen
6) Air Updates
7) Finally have some half ass widgets in the dropdown menu
8) drop down menu
Blackberry
1) iMessage is completely jacked from blackberry
Windows Mobile
1) Auto upload pictures to facebook/twitter in camera app
And really? Aside from those features, WTF is in iOS 5? They haven't done ANYTHING innovative. And I was planning to get an iPhone 5 all year because I expected them to take everything from Android AND expand and they didn't. They played it safe. And on top of that they have numerous updates all year and ALL they really do is annoy jail breakers.
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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No one would care if iOS copied Android because as you said many things are copied between the two platforms. The difference being that google/android/samsung/HTC/motorola don't cry and sue for every little tiny aspect of iOS that was copied off of Android. Even Apple fans that I know are sick of how Apple is acting. It's no way to conduct yourself as a leading company in your field.
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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Lot of your infuse rants should be directed towards AT&T. AT&T has ruined just about every stock rom there is in existence.
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Well Apple said that Samsung copied their iPad design and there were dozens of tablets YEARS before the iPad with the exact same design. No one sued Apple for using a design already used in the past because it's expected in the industry. A tablet is merely a laptop without a keyboard.
The slide to unlock existed before the iPhone but Apple made it prettier so they think they own it now.
Android at it's core is much much different than iOS. The apps are the same obviously but the apps are not made by Apple or Android. They are made by the users and you know what? Blackberry had apps long before the iPhone existed.
Apple stole a lot of great ideas from a lot of other companies and made it partially open source called it innovation (iOS & Android would both be worthless if it weren't for all the app developers) and I'm glad they did it... I just don't think they have the right to sue people now for doing the very thing they did once upon a time.
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Lot of your infuse rants should be directed towards AT&T. AT&T has ruined just about every stock rom there is in existence.
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AT&T ruins lots of great things.... =/
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Apple doesn't copy? Nokia and blackberry were on the block playing smartphone before apple made it cool to have one. I still see apple users shoving their products literally in other peoples faces saying look at me! look at me! The only truly innovative thing, besides making capacitive ui's very functional, is their marketing. Apples marketing has made most of their user base tools and fools. The rest actually need a smartphone and probably would jump ship to android or windows if that was the necessary flavor of their lifestyle/work. Apple equates to about as generic as you can get.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Apple doesn't copy? Nokia and blackberry were on the block playing smartphone before apple made it cool to have one. I still see apple users shoving their products literally in other peoples faces saying look at me! look at me! The only truly innovative thing, besides making capacitive ui's very functional, is their marketing. Apples marketing has made most of their user base tools and fools. The rest actually need a smartphone and probably would jump ship to android or windows if that was the necessary flavor of their lifestyle/work. Apple equates to about as generic as you can get.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Exactly. Apple merely popularized something that existed long before the iPhone and because they popularized it they seem to think that all of their "innovations" were unique and original concepts but it is quite the contrary and the average person doesn't know any better.
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Exactly. Apple merely popularized something that existed long before the iPhone and because they popularized it they seem to think that all of their "innovations" were unique and original concepts but it is quite the contrary and the average person doesn't know any better.
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i would definitely credit them for the idea of ecosystem being driven by appstore and itunes. In terms of device and overall layout, I've had similar layouts on my winmo devices for years prior to the iphone release
It's looking very dim for samsung at this point. My overall observation is how big of a blow would this win if Apple wins be to the Android OS?
http://allthingsd.com/20120806/iphone-caused-crisis-of-design-at-samsung-memo/
Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
blackguy101 said:
Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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That can't handle that "beast".
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screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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Mark930 said:
screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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with all respect to the late Steven P. Jobs, apple had a huge problem with people copying interfaces, and this is more of a Jobs thing.
If you look at the history of the company based in the Jobs biography, it has always had problems with competitors copying them, but seems like this time is the first time that they feel the leverage to pursue legal action.
I for one am seeing this as apple being completely ugly and childish, and it certainly has changed the way that I look at them and their products.
It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.
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It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.
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Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.
Mark930 said:
screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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Last I checked, the US still has anti-monopoly laws in place. Will it deter their dominance quest? Of course not. What can we do? What we already do: support and run Android! Plus, without apple, these forums would be overrun with idiots asking what the extra physical buttons do and demanding to know why they didn't receive a gingerbread and frozen yogurt sandwich covered in jelly beans and cupcake frosting with their device purchase
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Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.
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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.
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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.
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I think you are right. This will definitely go to appeal. Chances are that Samsung will get whatever judgement suspended until its worked its way through the system. This case is very hotly contested and I can see it making it to the Supreme Court.
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Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.
Yeah, this is looking bad.
They don't sue Google because it's Samsung that allegedly infringed on their patents. They copied the form-factor, they copied the icons. The form-factor is less of an issue - I think they will win on that. A flat touchscreen in a square body is basically the only design you could use for a touch-centric OS. But the icons, and that document that came out today, oh God...
It is depressing that in the gigantic tech space, there really is no company besides Apple that has the user-centric design culture to make what is essentially a perfect device for the vast majority of users. They have copied, and will copy, but the difference is Apple is innovative in a way that Samsung and Google simply are not. Google is too geek-and-tech centric to do what Apple does. They love hacking. They love making phones people can hack. They are like us Android fans, they love customizability, and so they don't pay attention to the details that would make Android a perfect OS for mobile devices, because, in their world they WANT people to customize and add their own flair. They want people to be like them. And a lot of us are like that, we love it. I love it. But that's a minority. Most people want an appliance and a perfectly engineered system to play Angry Birds in.
iOS is designed just as a simple vehicle for launching apps for the most part. Android is designed to be a bit more than that. In any case they chose to use the Microsoft strategy of just getting the OS out there instead of making a device that would be a perfect synergy of hardware and software. And Samsung is just a consumer electronics company, making cookie-cutter devices for the most part. They are trying, I'll admit, but it's all half-assed. S-Voice is almost useless, they bring nothing special to Android with TouchWiz, the gestures are nice but really just gimmicky. And if they do come up with something absolutely original, they need to bring the fight to Apple, who will no doubt copy really useful features like voice-activation for the camera. And they probably won't...
There is no chance of monopoly issues as long as Android is as successful as it is. I remain convinced Android's biggest problem is there are simply not enough developers in the world interested in Android. There are numerous technical and economic reasons why Android does not have the apps and the polished apps we deserve. I fear, just as PC software was essentially Microsoft's domain for so many years, the next 15 years will be defined by the mobile space being iOS' domain. There simply isn't the justification for developers to work on Android as much, just as most PC software development was for Windows, not Macs back in the '90s...
I think Samsung will get hard...maybe it will be enough to startle them into innovation, but frankly, Asian companies do not have a great history of it. The last great consumer device to be invented in Asia was Sony's Walkman, and that was 30 years ago.
Face it, we have PCs. But PCs without the appbase. A few of us are enthusiasts, water-cooling and overclocking and have 3 screens. That's the XDA crowd, the hackers, the ROMers, the developers and themers. But the vast majority of Android users are downmarket folks who couldn't afford an iPhone but wanted to check their email and browse the web.
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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.
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I agree. Maybe I'm not seeing the context, but it sure just reads like he's pushing his developers to come up with better products, which is what he should be doing.
I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
//signed Devil's Advocate
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I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
//signed Devil's Advocate
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I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
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I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
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Absolutely fare questions. I own an Android device because I am inherently a tinkerer. I have had every generation of iPhone with a brief lapse in 2009 when the OG Droid was released. (I say brief because I gave it away after three months.) The interface and primary functionality of iPhones is a well worn path. I decided that I'd like something that I can toy with more. The ability to tinker is not a feather in Samsung's cap, however, rather a more fundamental aspect of the Android core.
It is now 2012. Early Android phones left *a lot* to be desired. Newer devices are more stable and have a few neat features that the iPhone doesn't, yet, have. Would these devices have lasted long enough to say "We've got NFC first" if they hadn't spent four years walking in the iPhones footsteps? I don't think so.
It's really a stupid case in my opinion. I mean, yeah, Samung probably took the iPhone as an example when they developed the Galaxy line. So what? Does Apple want Samsung to make phones shaped in a triangle? Beds have looked pretty much the same bar some details but no-one is complaining about copyright infringement. If something makes an impact as big as the iPhone on society, how is it possible not to think of it when developing a phone after it's release?
I hope Apple wins the software side of the argument so then maybe Samsung will stop puking their TW over android and let Google deal with any legal **** that comes about.