Hey Everyone-
This post has probably already been answered but i have been searching the forums (and google) and getting mixed results.
I looking to flash the ROM on my HTC Touch Pro (Fuze). However, I've read that my phone must be unlocked to flash a new radio, but not a new ROM. However I've also read that with a new ROM comes a new Radio. So which is it? Do i need to unlock my phone to flash a new ROM because if not i will have a phone w/o a Radio?
Thanks alot, these forums are awesome.
From my understanding, you only need to unlock the phone if you want to use another device's radio. For example, you have a Touch Pro, if you wanted to put a Touch HD radio on it then the phone needs to be unlocked. However, if you want to put another Touch Pro radio on your touch pro you shouldn't need to unlock the phone.
To answer your second question about Roms with or without radios.... They come both ways but I have mostly seen Roms without included radios. Just read the desired Rom info page to find out if it includes a radio or not.
Unlock (HardSPL) is always necessary. No matter if u flash a radio, a rom or a radio/rom.
The only moment when u do not need to unlock is if u flash an official update , radio or rom, that is made from ur provider for ur phone. Or if its unbranded , the update is downloaded from htc itself with ur serial number entered befor.
BTW: Unlock (HardSPL) means that the loader of ur phone accepts NOT signed Roms or radio files for flashing.
Thank you both for the quick replies. So that i have this clear-
I can download and run hardspl according to the instructions etc, etc. Then if i choose to flash a rom without a radio i can. Then (or before) I can flash a Fuze Radio to my phone all without sim unlocking my phone?
Do i have that right?
Thank a million
Fuzer_Guy said:
Thank you both for the quick replies. So that i have this clear-
I can download and run hardspl according to the instructions etc, etc. Then if i choose to flash a rom without a radio i can. Then (or before) I can flash a Fuze Radio to my phone all without sim unlocking my phone?
Do i have that right?
Thank a million
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Not shure if I got u correct in the first post:
By unlock do u mean SIM unlock ? Means use sims from any provider.
By unlock u mean entering the pin number to use ur phone ?
By unlock u mean (what I thought first) enabling the phone to accept any kind of rom ?
Normally a new radio is not always needed, I flash most of the times leaving my radio as it is, if its good in reception and power consumption
2. What are the different types of Unlock? (answer by DaveShaw)
The three stages of unlock are:
SIM: Allows you to use SIM's from another carrier. Can be done using codes or unlocker programs on xda-devs.
Security: Allows you to flash radios from another device (i.e. Raphael) - It does other stuff, but this is all the casual user will use it for
CID: CID unlocking is an old concept, nowadays you flash Hard SPL instead. This lets you flash any ROM, Splash or Radio (depending on sec unlock) to your device. N.B. the CID is the carrier ID (e.g. HTC__001). The stock SPL's only let you flash ROM's that match the CID in the ROM image with the CID on your device.
Also, SuperCID is an even older concept no longer valid on newer devices.
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These are what I understand as the levels of Unlocking... so you're right. I was talking about a security unlock (my apologies). The carrier shouldn't have anything to do with the process. And i don't need special software to security unlock the phone right? (that's where i was getting confused)
As for that last part--
So assuming i like the reception and battery usage i get right now I can flash any ROM i want w/o worrying about losing the radio? And if i do get a ROM with a radio is the radio installed automatically or are there two steps? Thus enabling me to install the ROM without the radio that came with it?
Many Thanks
Fuzer_Guy said:
These are what I understand as the levels of Unlocking... so you're right. I was talking about a security unlock (my apologies). The carrier shouldn't have anything to do with the process. And i don't need special software to security unlock the phone right? (that's where i was getting confused)
As for that last part--
So assuming i like the reception and battery usage i get right now I can flash any ROM i want w/o worrying about losing the radio? And if i do get a ROM with a radio is the radio installed automatically or are there two steps? Thus enabling me to install the ROM without the radio that came with it?
Many Thanks
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Ok, first u have to HardSPL (What does: Ur Phone accepts any radio and/or rom)
From here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410150
NOTE 3: this is unsigned Hard-SPL. no limitations on flashing ROMs or radio packages. also, this has overwrite protection, if someone needs to revert to stock SPL for warranty reasons, we will soon post a stock SPL downgrade package.
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If u have a touch pro and want to use Diamond or Blackstone radios then u have to do look here, first.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426609
Then:
Flash ROM -> ur radio stays the same
Flash Radio -> ur rom stays the same
Flash all in one -> Both are changing, radio and rom.
Look in the roms thread, they tell u if it comes with or without radio. I think most of the times without. The original Raphael rom from HTC is WITH radio btw
Thank you very, very, very much!!!
Im gonna give this a try now.
Once again, many thanks.
Fuzer_Guy said:
Thank you very, very, very much!!!
Im gonna give this a try now.
Once again, many thanks.
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Make sure to thoroughly read through the stickys on flashing a rom........
overall, as mentioned, hardspl first, then falsh rom, hard reset, then flash radio, hard reset, then install rilphone cab and you're good to go....
read read read....
Hi to all!
I have a Sprint Touch Pro2. I already went through the whole process of doing the Olipro Security Unlocking and the RhodiumW WU Radio Unlocking for US SIMs.
Everything worked very well and now I can use my phone with an ATT Sim Card.
My question is, can I update to a new/different CDMA ROM without losing the ability to use my ATT Sim Card? I would like to eliminate all the Sprint applications and be able to get new ones.
I will really appreciate your help!!!
just run the radio again once ur unlocked it stays unlocked so just run the radio again and u should be fine works for me everytime
Gaby7 said:
Hi to all!
I have a Sprint Touch Pro2. I already went through the whole process of doing the Olipro Security Unlocking and the RhodiumW WU Radio Unlocking for US SIMs.
Everything worked very well and now I can use my phone with an ATT Sim Card.
My question is, can I update to a new/different CDMA ROM without losing the ability to use my ATT Sim Card? I would like to eliminate all the Sprint applications and be able to get new ones.
I will really appreciate your help!!!
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You should be able to use the ATT Sim card, after you flash a new rom...as long as the RUU that you use does NOT flash a new radio.
I am guessing that because you want to eliminate the Sprint Software, that you are NOT planning to flash a stock rom.
If that is the case, and you plan to flash a custom rom from here or PPCGEEKS, then you should be fine. Other wise, if you find that you did lose the ability, then just re-flash the new radio after you flash the rom.
can i take a CDMA hero for GCI Wireless / Alaska Digitel and use the RUU to make it work on sprint? i just want to make sure before i get it that it works
i think the bootloader is different. pretty sure you will get an error running the ruu
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i think the bootloader is different. pretty sure you will get an error running the ruu
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is there a way to reprovision to make it work?
thedudejdog said:
i think the bootloader is different. pretty sure you will get an error running the ruu
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You could have them check the bootloader version from fastboot (hold vol down when turning the phone on).
Version 1.41.0000 is the one that works with the 1.56 RUU.
afaik this is the reason they don't have root yet.
all they would have to do is flash a sprint ruu, root, flash recovery, and then flash whatever rom they wanted. but the Alaskan Digital guys got root-patched. the bootloader is newer than ours. a few months ago they were trying to root and most all of the non-sprint hero's are rooted. all but alaskan digital.
Thread
read this... it says on the first post it will mess with the pri i think it may turn it into a sprint phone. (the 2.1 ruu)
Sprint 2.1 RUU - Supposedly a Sprint 2.1 RUU has been floating around. Until we hear otherwise, DO NOT APPLY IT. Specifically, problems have been reported with GCI Wireless / Alaska DigiTel: "it can break roaming, possibly cause data connection issues, and of course it could adversely affect the bill." and "If someone updates with an RUU we currently have no way to fix their phone." Even if you're with Cellular South or someone else, I suggest not applying it.
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i have found that and looked it over. i just dont want to make it a paper weight and not have a phone
then your best bet will be to get it and run the 2.1 ruu and hope for the best.. lol.
(almost) anything that you do can be recovered. except a gsm radio flash. so don't flash any of those and you'll be fine.
You need to have a goldcard setup but flashing Sprint's 2.1 RUU over any other carriers Hero will work so long as the bootloader is not newer. Currently, the Sprint 2.1 RUU that's floating around has the newest bootloader I know of so it will flash over anything at this point.
Just a warning though, you can't go back to another RUU after because everything else has an older bootloader. Which doesn't matter so much because the Sprint 2.1 RUU floating around is a dev rom and rooted so you can flash the custom recovery and go to whatever ROM you want.
EDIT: If you are not on Sprint and you use a Sprint RUU you DO have to program your carriers PRL after using QPST or CDMA Workshop
@curtis8523 I know I sent this to you via email already but I wanted to make sure it's searchable on XDA.
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Just a warning though, you can't go back to another RUU after because everything else has an older bootloader. Which doesn't matter so much because the Sprint 2.1 RUU floating around is a dev rom and rooted so you can flash the custom recovery and go to whatever ROM you want.
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This is a good point. You could flash the 2.1 test RUU to get it to Sprint. If you want to run the 1.56 ruu you can flash everything 1.5 except the hboot by following the instructions here >> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=657086
can someone help me out please? i rooted my g2 today and about 2 hours later dropped it flat on its face. the lcd broke, i cant see anything on the phone just vibrates when i turn it on.. is there some way using the sdk on the computer to unroot the phone so i can send it for an insurance replacement?
If its anything like the desire you can apply a RUU update.exe that flashes the phone rom, hboot, radio and recovery i.e. stock. However if yours is branded i.e. has your carriers software all over it, you'll need to find the corresponding RUU for that carrier. Also if its branded you'll probably (desire does) need to make a goldcard if you were to apply an unbranded RUU.
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If its anything like the desire you can apply a RUU update.exe that flashes the phone rom, hboot, radio and recovery i.e. stock. However if yours is branded i.e. has your carriers software all over it, you'll need to find the corresponding RUU for that carrier. Also if its branded you'll probably (desire does) need to make a goldcard if you were to apply an unbranded RUU.
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EDIT: didn't realise the G2 was T-Mobiles phone (if Im not mistaken and check me on this is the HTC Hero)... erm heres a link to a load of G2 roms, radios etc http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4525584
do some researching into tutorials to make sure your doing the right thing. Also to research is whether your phone is GSM or CDMA as you will also have to flash the right RUU for that too.
When you rooted did you only root the rom or also patch a modded recovery too? If its the rom I suppose you could apply just the rom update, however if you applied a recovery you'll have to flash that with a stock one too.
Sorry its a bit confusing...
I have a rooted S One that seems to have lost its root access and signal after OTA update from Bell - the phone was bought on eBay as an "unlocked sealed" item, which wasn't the case. I want to restore the phone to stock and SIM unlock it for use with Telus, but there's no 1.84 RUU for Rogers available. I just want to confirm I can't restore the phone to stock without the 1.84 RUU. Or, if there's an alternative to get it working again, what that alternative might be and where to start. Thanks for any help.
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I have a rooted S One that seems to have lost its root access and signal after OTA update from Bell - the phone was bought on eBay as an "unlocked sealed" item, which wasn't the case. I want to restore the phone to stock and SIM unlock it for use with Telus, but there's no 1.84 RUU for Rogers available. I just want to confirm I can't restore the phone to stock without the 1.84 RUU. Or, if there's an alternative to get it working again, what that alternative might be and where to start. Thanks for any help.
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Post is a bit confusing. You talk about Bell, Rogers, and Telus all at once. Also, if you got an OTA update from Bell, you will only be able to execute an RUU that has an hboot version equal to or higher than your current one.
If you are looking for a more recent RUU than the ones posted on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1543588
then I suggest you send a private message to Football, the user who started that post. He helped me find newer Bell Mobility RUUs (which have since been posted to the thread).
Your other option is to do a bootloader downgrade (see the dev post on this, its a bit complicated), and then you can flash other radios from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998270
If you dont want to downgrade your bootloader, you can always flash to a CM10 base (AOSP type) ROM, such as PAC Man, or Jelly Bam, etc. Then you can flash radios without having to downgrade.
Again, though this is all assuming that your true problem is with you baseband radio and now switching carriers has made your reception poor...
Also remember you will have to relock your bootloader before you execute an RUU, otherwise it wont take (that and a correct bootloader version)
AKToronto
Thanks for the info. The phone is a sim-unlocked Fido unit. It was running on Bell before the OTA update.
Here are the specs:
Android version: 4.0.3
HTC Sense version: 4.0
Software number: 1.84.631.9
HTC SDK API level: 4.11
HTC Extension version: HTCExtension_403_1_GA_4
Build number: 1.84.631.9 CL64348 release-keys
Is the "build number" the RUU? I'll try Football, but do I need the Rogers (Fido) RUU?
Thanks.
you can not execute an rogers ruu on a bell phone, the cid wont match
there is an app on play who will display you the cid and the original network; like that you'll know exactly what phone do you have in hand
you just have to unlockit after and you will be able to useit in whatever network you want
Thanks. Ran CID getter and says it's ROGER001. So I've confirmed that I need a Rogers file. And I would like to unlock it, but from what I've read I cannot restore back to Rogers 1.70 because the unit has been updated to 1.84. I have read that if I can find a 1.84 Rogers file, I can use that to restore the unit. This is the next thing I need to confirm. I appreciate your help.
I think that is almost correct. You can change the CID to the Rogers one using the same technique as posted in the super Cid thread in the development section. Normally though you can't flash an older ruu as the hboot version can't be older. But You may also want to try posting a message in the bootloader downgrade thread that is stickied to n the development section. I think if you downgrade your bootloader and also do a minor hex edit to a partition you can flash an older RUU. I have downgraded my bootloader but haven't tried flashing an older ruu so I can't say for sure.
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Thanks again. So I can assume the CID is already Rogers, yes? I don't want to change it. My hope is that I can use the All in One Toolkit (one of the sticky posts) to bring the phone back to stock and then SIM unlock it for use with Telus. If I run the Toolkit, and use cbetso's instructions from the "How to Return to Stock" post (after adding the stock recovery to the folder). If I locate the Rogers 1.84 RUU, can I run it without downgrading?
don't assume, your cid is rogers ROGER001, so there is absolutely no way your phone could download and execute an update from bell.
so I can not understand what has bell to do in this.
if you just want to use it on telus network, you just have to unlock it, you don't even need root for this. and the phone will work just fine.
the root is needed when you want to change ROM, radio, debloat and others.
one of the others will be tweaking the build.prop file to achieve maximum capacities of your 3g/4g desired network
Thanks - it's a difficult story to tell, really. It was a Rogers unit, SIM unlocked to work with Bell. It was on Bell's network for two months, and an OTA update caused major radio and reception problems. It will not keep a network signal anymore. I have tried other SIMs in the unit and it will not recognize them, nor start up with the "Enter Unlock Code" screen to SIM unlock it. It's my understanding that I need to return it to stock by finding the Rogers RUU file that matches the software version on the unit, which is 1.84. This is my very limited understanding of the issue, but it's what I've been able to figure out.
if it was a rogers device, and you did not change the CID, you get the ROGER001 cid with the app, your phone is still a rogers device
doesn't matter in which networks was used, for the two months before you get it, and by you after
as long the cid stays ROGER001, your phone will remain a rogers device, unlocked to be used in different networks.
so there is absolutely no way an OTA update, from bell or telus could be the source of your problems, because your phone will not download or execute an ota update from other networks
same for rogers ota update, as long the phone was unlocked, will not execute OTA updates, even the updates will be downloaded on the phone
your connection problem came from other reasons;
however it you want to return the phone to rogers stock, the key number is HBOOT version;
you can execute any RUU with HBOOT version higher or equal with your present version on the phone
if somehow you're on a very high version and you can not find the appropriate RUU, we can always downgrade RUU, check development section for tutorial
it's not very simple, but as long you're ok and you understand the steps, go for it, it is doable.
if you have root, you might try different radios before all above, or maybe a custom rom; just an ideea; as long the phone is not soft bricked or physically damaged, there is no reason a custom rom will not work
Thanks for the information. There seems to be other problems with the unit, including it won't delete all data after hard reset, it won't recognize other networks when other SIMs are put in, it has been upgraded past the 1.70 stock Rogers RUU. I wish I could get it figured out or I may have to sell it as is. Appreciate your help.
factory reset in fastboot didn't work?
means you're on some custom rom with non stock recovery?
have you tried to flash a stock recovery? any of them, whatever you'll find around here; there are no much difference in term of facilities between them;
then you should be able to restore phone to factory defaults
try find somewhere All in one kitt one S v1.0; there is stock recovery in it, and flashing is easy
in v1.1 there is no more stock recovery
donwload ruu or open up ruu..when it first starts go into your windows manager and in the link section delete what you have in that section like c:/program files and replace it with %temp% and it will find two encrypted folders with a big letter/digit name and they will show you what time they were opened . open them up and find rom.zip copy it to your desktop and then extract it somewhere safe .. in the folders in rom.zip you will see recovery_signed.img rename it recovery.img and flash it via hasoons tool kit provided in the development section..just in case you ever run into this again
Thanks. Can I flash a stock recovery in the All in One Toolkit without having the proper RUU version I need? Will this allow me to factory reset the phone, and the radio issue is another unrelated problem? The unit is supposed to be SIM unlocked, but when I put another carrier's SIM in, I still have no radio and I do not see the screen that says "unrecognized SIM" with an "enter unlock code" option.
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Thanks. Can I flash a stock recovery in the All in One Toolkit without having the proper RUU version I need? Will this allow me to factory reset the phone, and the radio issue is another unrelated problem? The unit is supposed to be SIM unlocked, but when I put another carrier's SIM in, I still have no radio and I do not see the screen that says "unrecognized SIM" with an "enter unlock code" option.
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Not sure about your radio issue, that would require testing out different radios. You can do that on a higher hboot by trying AOSP ROMS and using the Radio flasher in the dev forums.
As for flashing stock recovery you can also just use the following link: http://loadbalancing.modaco.com/down...ery_signed.img
The stock recovery doesnt really change from RUU to RUU. You dont need a particular recovery to use a particular RUU, as far as I know.
Thanks - you wanna take another look at that link? It didn't seem to be anything. Or do I need to change the extension?
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Thanks - you wanna take another look at that link? It didn't seem to be anything. Or do I need to change the extension?
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http://loadbalancing.modaco.com/download.php?file=ville_recovery_signed.img
Try that. Sorry about the other link
I maybe miss it, but you never said what is the exact status of the phone right now;
it is booting? it is working on some network? at least partially like voice only? what ROM are you on? what HBOOT?
Hi there - thanks for getting back to me and asking. The phone seems to be booting normally and always has been. It is not able to recognize any new SIM card. It's a Rogers unit, and when I add my Telus SIM it does not go to the "Unrecognized SIM" screen, it actually registers the TELUS network for a moment, then the radio gives no signal.
How can I check the ROM, 'cause I have no idea. Is the HBOOT in these specs?
Android version: 4.0.3
HTC Sense version: 4.0
Software number: 1.84.631.9
HTC SDK API level: 4.11
HTC Extension version: HTCExtension_403_1_GA_4
Build number: 1.84.631.9 CL64348 release-keys
Thanks again.
for the Hboot version you have to reboot in fastboot
for recovery reboot into recovery
for the ROM version, once booted normaly you have to go into about phone > software
are you sure you have the right settings for Telus APN? for some reasons, the phone will not registered to network, if apn setting are wrong;
at least for me, which I'm opposite to you as I have a telus phone and using it in fido network, if I dont have Fido APN setted up, the phone does not register to network