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I know how At&t are gonna have HSPA+ 4g, I'm confused about the new devices they're gonna have that support HSPA+. Are they going to be able to connect to HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.
So for example, I buy an unlocked HSPA+ tablet from AT&T, straight from their store. Is it going to be able to use T-Mobile's HSPA+ network if I put a T-Mobile SIM card inside?
Also, one last question, if I use T-Mobile's SIM card, do I have to do some special stuff to get it to work on their cell network? Like how you have to unlock an iPhone for it to work on T-Mobile?
Thanks
xAliceNine said:
I know how At&t are gonna have HSPA+ 4g, I'm confused about the new devices they're gonna have that support HSPA+. Are they going to be able to connect to HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.
So for example, I buy an unlocked HSPA+ tablet from AT&T, straight from their store. Is it going to be able to use T-Mobile's HSPA+ network if I put a T-Mobile SIM card inside?
Also, one last question, if I use T-Mobile's SIM card, do I have to do some special stuff to get it to work on their cell network? Like how you have to unlock an iPhone for it to work on T-Mobile?
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Hello,
Unfortunately you will not be able to use HSPA+. HSPA+ is just an extension/revision of the current 3G. Effectively it is also called 3.5G/3.75G in some reports. They use the same 3G band of each respective company. The At&t tablet would work on 850/1900 band and T-mobile will work on their AWS (1700) band. So if you bought an At&t tablet, you may need to get it unlocked, not sure if they lock the sim on tablets. At best you would get Edge service with a T-mobile sim.
thanks man, argg
do you think it's worth it to change to at&t because I just heard of the Motorola Atrix and it sound PRETTY BAD ASS!
I don't know since people I know are always angry at AT&T for their service either..
xAliceNine said:
thanks man, argg
do you think it's worth it to change to at&t because I just heard of the Motorola Atrix and it sound PRETTY BAD ASS!
I don't know since people I know are always angry at AT&T for their service either..
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NP. I have had every major carrier offered in the US. I have had at&t, t-mobile, and sprint within the last year. I had verizon a while ago and dropped them because they could never get my bill right. Honestly, the service is about the same. The question is how is the service in your area. I mainly stay in my area about 90-98% of the time. I live in a major city so all carries have great service. But I have stayed with At&t for the last few years. Every time I go to another carrier I kept my at&t service, go figure. So I would just look at coverage to where you travel the most and go with a carrier that will give you the best coverage for the best price. Do i prefer a carrier over another, yeah. I like GSM carriers better because I do like to surf and talk at the same time. Sprint can do this if your in a 4G coverage area and have a 4G phone. Verizon is a no go with this feature until they release their LTE phones. But At&t has a better coverage footprint than T-mobile that is why I stick with them. Hope it helps.
Wondering a bit about this too.
I have service through Bendbroadband using a HSPA+ SIM with USB modem Dongle by bandluxe. The service is stellar on the speed, but I can't use the dongle with everything (iPad), so looking for alternate routes before i decide to move to a different provider.
I noticed that the CTO of the company said in a comment regarding their service that any unlocked UE that supports HSPA/HSPA+ in the AWS band could be used, but also had an unclear reponse on cell phones with HSPA+.
I have a Huawei Comet (unlocked), it lists the same AWS Bands compatible, but says HSDPA (which I thought HSDPA + HSUPA = HSPA+ but at higher speeds, correct me if I am wrong), and has hotspot tether that works with tmobile web service no problem.
I plugged the SIM in, and it updates the bar with BendBroadband but I get no data. (might need to provide the IMEI or something)..
Curious if you think it should work, before i go knocking on their doors.
Some other specs:
the mytouch 4g (HSPA+) lists the bands as:850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
The comet is listed as: 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
I am fairly sure the comet is HSPA+ but not advertised that way.
According to comments on the site, Bendbroadband technicians do not actually support moving of the SIMs. Bummer.. trying to keep my business local.. Bumping and moving to Tmobile once the month is up.
Does anyone know if the galaxy s 4g can be unlocked to work on AT&T 3G like the Vibrant was???
Once unlocked works on all NA gsm carriers
stevm said:
Once unlocked works on all NA gsm carriers
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On AT&T's 3G band!?
stevm said:
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I doubt it, once unlocked it will work on all GSM carriers is true, but it is specifically built for T-Mobile frequency, AT&T has different frequency.
Similar to the situation we have in canada, Rogers Fido Bell Telus work on similar frequencies but Wind and Mobilicity work differently.
As Galaxy S 4G is meant for T-mobile, it will work 2g only with AT&T and for that sake with 4 major canadian providers too...
I would suggest to check what phones arw im at&t and check their specs and bands. Once you do that you will know wether it will work in at&t or not.
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nupicasso said:
Does anyone know if the galaxy s 4g can be unlocked to work on AT&T 3G like the Vibrant was???
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Yes, I can confirm that it does indeed have UTMS band 1900, just like the Vibrant. I'm using it right now on AT&T and I do get 3G...now if only I could figure out how to enable 4G.
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Yes, I can confirm that it does indeed have UTMS band 1900, just like the Vibrant. I'm using it right now on AT&T and I do get 3G...now if only I could figure out how to enable 4G.
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I can confirm that it works on AT&T 3G as well. You in fact get faster 3G speeds in some areas because AT&T has some different coverage than tmobile.
I unlocked the SGS4G for my Father In Law who is on AT&T, and it immediately connected to AT&T 3G. 4mbps/3mbps
It won't work on 4G though.
thats becuase at&t dosnt have 4g yeat eventhough they have 4g phones
Why not just get the vibrant instead of all it works on is 3g. It has much much more roms than this phone ever will especially with the release of the g2x and galaxy s2.
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I can confirm that it works on AT&T 3G as well. You in fact get faster 3G speeds in some areas because AT&T has some different coverage than tmobile.
I unlocked the SGS4G for my Father In Law who is on AT&T, and it immediately connected to AT&T 3G. 4mbps/3mbps
It won't work on 4G though.
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Why wouldn't 4G work? It's on the same bands, and if you have all the APN info, shouldn't it work?
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Why wouldn't 4G work? It's on the same bands, and if you have all the APN info, shouldn't it work?
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Because AT&T hasn't made any tower upgrades to increase speed.
Technically, you are on 4G, but receive 3G speeds.
With T-Mo, you WILL get 4G speeds (10mbps+), because they have the necessary tower upgrades to make that possible.
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I can confirm that it works on AT&T 3G as well. You in fact get faster 3G speeds in some areas because AT&T has some different coverage than tmobile.
I unlocked the SGS4G for my Father In Law who is on AT&T, and it immediately connected to AT&T 3G. 4mbps/3mbps
It won't work on 4G though.
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Anyone know where I can find a detailed (and updated) map showing which frequency is being used in specific areas? I'm [] this close to switch to AT&T and wouldn't mind using this until the iPhone refresh. But if I'm in 850MHZ area, I'll either trade it or sell it, as I originally intended to do.
corys00 said:
Anyone know where I can find a detailed (and updated) map showing which frequency is being used in specific areas? I'm [] this close to switch to AT&T and wouldn't mind using this until the iPhone refresh. But if I'm in 850MHZ area, I'll either trade it or sell it, as I originally intended to do.
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I'd skip out on switching to AT&T- they're terrible.
The 3G upload speeds are a joke, and coverage (at least in my area) is terrible. And don't even get me started on their Tech Support department.
As for the map though, I don't know of any public ones available.
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Because AT&T hasn't made any tower upgrades to increase speed.
Technically, you are on 4G, but receive 3G speeds.
With T-Mo, you WILL get 4G speeds (10mbps+), because they have the necessary tower upgrades to make that possible.
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What kind of upload speeds should you be getting then?
I'm getting less than 50kbps upload....
(In AT&T Full 3G Coverage Area)
My download is always around 2MBPS, which is strange, because my iPhone 4 got around 4MBPS in the same location...
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What kind of upload speeds should you be getting then?
I'm getting less than 50kbps upload....
(In AT&T Full 3G Coverage Area)
My download is always around 2MBPS, which is strange, because my iPhone 4 got around 4MBPS in the same location...
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With the upload thing, I may be wrong, but it's probably because they don't have HSUPA on.
And on the download thing with your iPhone, remember, your iPhone can take advantage of both 850MHz and 1900MHz, the GS4G can only take advantage of 1900MHz, so there will most likely be some variation in speeds.
Ahh, I never even knew that it was only 1900mhz compatible on 3G D:
So, does that in turn mean that my phone will not work on AT&T's "4G"? Because that's the main point of me getting this phone over the Nexus S.
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What kind of upload speeds should you be getting then?
I'm getting less than 50kbps upload....
(In AT&T Full 3G Coverage Area)
My download is always around 2MBPS, which is strange, because my iPhone 4 got around 4MBPS in the same location...
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Here in Vegas and surrounding henderson areas my Father in law was getting 4.5mpbs down and 2 up so it's fairly consistent but we have good ATT coverage here as well as Tmobile (which I'm on 4G).
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Here in Vegas and surrounding henderson areas my Father in law was getting 4.5mpbs down and 2 up so it's fairly consistent but we have good ATT coverage here as well as Tmobile (which I'm on 4G).
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I'd love to get speeds like that, but I'm in NY.
Worst.Network.Congestion.Ever
oooh and quick question, do you have a thread which has instructions to remove the "Pink" boot or shutdown screens?
Thankyou
danstheman7 said:
I'd love to get speeds like that, but I'm in NY.
Worst.Network.Congestion.Ever
oooh and quick question, do you have a thread which has instructions to remove the "Pink" boot or shutdown screens?
Thankyou
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Pretty straight forward if you are used to ADB or any other file managing software.
To disable shutdown just rename
/system/media/video/shutdown
to be like /system/media/video/shutdownbackup
For the startup screen look here:
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...t-software-not-suck/page__p__36615#entry36615
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Pretty straight forward if you are used to ADB or any other file managing software.
To disable shutdown just rename
/system/media/video/shutdown
to be like /system/media/video/shutdownbackup
For the startup screen look here:
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...t-software-not-suck/page__p__36615#entry36615
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Perfect...Took some time to get it working (this is my first time using ADB), but looks great.
Thank you!
I thought I did my homework. But when I called t-mobile to find out if the quad band Infuse would work on their network, I didn't ask what kind of data speeds I would get. My bad.
So now I have this almost perfect device that gets 2g speeds. Not even 3g. And they're charging me $9.99 a month (for tethering) for this privilege because it's not a t-mobile phone.
So if any of you know a workaround, please let me know.
Otherwise, I'll have a one week old Infuse to sell.
Bob
BobK58 said:
I thought I did my homework. But when I called t-mobile to find out if the quad band Infuse would work on their network, I didn't ask what kind of data speeds I would get. My bad.
So now I have this almost perfect device that gets 2g speeds. Not even 3g. And they're charging me $9.99 a month (for tethering) for this privilege because it's not a t-mobile phone.
So if any of you know a workaround, please let me know.
Otherwise, I'll have a one week old Infuse to sell.
Bob
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Sell it. The Infuse does not support the UMTS1700 band that T-Mobile uses. Neither does any other AT&T phone that I know of.
For the most part, with a few rare exceptions, unless the phone was sold by T-Mobile USA, it won't get 3G speeds.
You can sometimes go the other way - 2-3 T-Mobile phones support the AT&T 3G bands, but it's rare.
I don't think any AT&T phones support the AWS (UTMS1700) band for T-Mobile, but I know that a few T-Mobile phones (Galaxy S phones) have the 1900 band, so they work on AT&T's 3G network.
Your better off selling the Infuse and getting something like it for T-Mobile, or just wait for the SGS2, and get that, because your Infuse will be stuck on 2G.
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I don't think any AT&T phones support the AWS (UTMS1700) band for T-Mobile, but I know that a few T-Mobile phones (Galaxy S phones) have the 1900 band, so they work on AT&T's 3G network.
Your better off selling the Infuse and getting something like it for T-Mobile, or just wait for the SGS2, and get that, because your Infuse will be stuck on 2G.
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But what about when ATT takes over tmobile? Will it change then?
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But what about when ATT takes over tmobile? Will it change then?
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Not for existing devices, it's a hardware limitation
The tech guy I spoke with at t-mobile said it probably will -- but that's quite a while to wait. By then a GSM version of Kyocera's Echo might be out. Now I know what questions to ask.
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Can I simply switch my iPhone 4s Microsim to the HOX, or do I need to change plans? I was looking online at my available data plans and they are all marked as "iPhone" data plans.
You need update your data plan to LTE plan. Or else your data won't work.
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You need update your data plan to LTE plan. Or else your data won't work.
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What if you change the apn? Will u get 3g/hspa+?
barondebxl said:
What if you change the apn? Will u get 3g/hspa+?
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The only APN you can change to is 3G (wap.cingular), not HSPA+ which also requires your data plan to be updated to 4G or LTE.
But update your data plan doesn't change your data cap or pricing. It is just a way for AT&T to verify your existing data plan and add an authorization. This is to prevent those who has the old non-smartphone data plan ($10 to $15/mo for unlimited) to take advantage of new faster network.
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The only APN you can change to is 3G (wap.cingular), not HSPA+ which also requires your data plan to be updated to 4G or LTE.
But update your data plan doesn't change your data cap or pricing. It is just a way for AT&T to verify your existing data plan and add an authorization. This is to prevent those who has the old non-smartphone data plan ($10 to $15/mo for unlimited) to take advantage of new faster network.
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One more question, if I have an AT&T gophone plan with 1gb of data, can I insert my sim in any 4g LTE smartphone ( AT&T galaxy note, lumia 900, HTC vivid or HTC one x) and get 3 g speeds if I put the right apn?
barondebxl said:
One more question, if I have an AT&T gophone plan with 1gb of data, can I insert my sim in any 4g LTE smartphone ( AT&T galaxy note, lumia 900, HTC vivid or HTC one x) and get 3 g speeds if I put the right apn?
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Yes, you can. At least for a while until AT&T catches you. AT&T is now actively scan the go phones for violations. AT&T branded 4G and LTE phones can't be used with go phone without a separate, much more expensive data plan. If your phone is AT&T branded, the detection rate will be 100% because AT&T has your IMEI in the database.
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Yes, you can. At least for a while until AT&T catches you. AT&T is now actively scan the go phones for violations. AT&T branded 4G and LTE phones can't be used with go phone without a separate, much more expensive data plan. If your phone is AT&T branded, the detection rate will be 100% because AT&T has your IMEI in the database.
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Thanks a lot man it helps. Damn so they might cut me off if I buy the one x and use their it on a gophone. But why do they care if I buy the phone outright and just use the 3G gophone speeds?
barondebxl said:
Thanks a lot man it helps. Damn so they might cut me off if I buy the one x and use their it on a gophone. But why do they care if I buy the phone outright and just use the 3G gophone speeds?
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1. Just because they can
2. 3G and 4G HSPA+ is the same network. And that's the same network that is heavily congested. They can't afford ppl take a faster 4G phone to use a lot of bandwidth without paying the expensive data plan for it. GoPhone plans are caculated based on the assumption that you use a dumb phone or old/slow smartphone that can't suck down data that fast.
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1. Just because they can
2. 3G and 4G HSPA+ is the same network. And that's the same network that is heavily congested. They can't afford ppl take a faster 4G phone to use a lot of bandwidth without paying the expensive data plan for it. GoPhone plans are caculated based on the assumption that you use a dumb phone or old/slow smartphone that can't suck down data that fast.
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Got you. Thanks very much for the info. I might just buy the international version cause I don't wanna pay full price for the device and run into some issues with AT&T. Too bad I really wanted the S4 chip...Oh well. Thanks again dude!
Thanks for all the replies, i'll be switching my plan once my new phone comes in. Just a few more days!
Don't forget to disable iMessage before you change phones
Sometimes people with iPhones won't be able to text you because your iMessage would still be active
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im never in an LTE area as I am in CT. Wouldnt it make sense for me not to change my 4g hsdpa plan to the LTE Plan that way it never connects to LTE , Thus no battery drain?
aimetti said:
im never in an LTE area as I am in CT. Wouldnt it make sense for me not to change my 4g hsdpa plan to the LTE Plan that way it never connects to LTE , Thus no battery drain?
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The battery drain would be caused by the radio hardware in the device searching for a signal, regardless what plan you have- the phone is programmed to search for that signal. Also, I think AT&T will try to bump you to an LTE plan based off of the phone's IMEI number accessing its towers, like they did with the HSPA "4G" (data capped) plans with some Atrix users last year.
So, my phone is rooted and unlocked.I pop in my sim card, put in access point info that was in my old phone that got 3g (desire z/g2) and I only get edge. Am I missing a step? Did Tmobile block att bands for 3g use in the USA?
I figured it out. Network mode was set to GSM. When it was switched to GSM/WCDMA 4g came in great. Not sure why that would be, as ATT uses GSM only, but there you go for anyone that's searching. :good:
gbmannc said:
I figured it out. Network mode was set to GSM. When it was switched to GSM/WCDMA 4g came in great. Not sure why that would be, as ATT uses GSM only, but there you go for anyone that's searching. :good:
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Do you mean 3G came in when you switched to GSM/WCDMA? Its my understanding this phone, despite its name, can't actually get 4G but rather a somewhat faster version of 3G when 4G is switched on (online it seems to have the unofficial title of 3.5G).
As i understand it what the phone companies call 4g is not quite actually 4g. Its 2 channels of 3g which gives a net speed in the 4g range. But 4g lte is actually a 4g connection, which the relay doesn't have.
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As i understand it what the phone companies call 4g is not quite actually 4g. Its 2 channels of 3g which gives a net speed in the 4g range. But 4g lte is actually a 4g connection, which the relay doesn't have.
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Meaning the Relay 4G won't be able to access AT&T's 4G connection.
I'm more concerned with it being able to access AT&T's 3G connection. There isn't enough 4G LTE coverage for me to really be concerned with a phone that can't access it. In 2 years times, YEAH, but for now, no, I just want decent 3G.
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Meaning the Relay 4G won't be able to access AT&T's 4G connection.
I'm more concerned with it being able to access AT&T's 3G connection. There isn't enough 4G LTE coverage for me to really be concerned with a phone that can't access it. In 2 years times, YEAH, but for now, no, I just want decent 3G.
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It shouldn't have a problem, as long as it's unlocked and you've set up your APN properly. I've moved my T-Mobile service to an LTE-capable LG Optimus F3, and put an H2O Wireless SIM into the Relay (H2O is an MVNO that uses AT&T's network). AT&T's HSPA+ works fine on my Relay.
The labeling of HSPA+ as "4G" was pure marketing BS; T-Mobile started with that, and AT&T followed suit. I suppose that dual-carrier HSPA+ reaches into 4G territory from a speed standpoint, but I've never seen DC-HSPA+ outside of T-Mobile's network.
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It shouldn't have a problem, as long as it's unlocked and you've set up your APN properly. I've moved my T-Mobile service to an LTE-capable LG Optimus F3, and put an H2O Wireless SIM into the Relay (H2O is an MVNO that uses AT&T's network). AT&T's HSPA+ works fine on my Relay.
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I've seen H20 at Best Buy, for some reason I thought it was an MVNO of T-Mobile. I was going to go with the AT&T GoPhone.
The labeling of HSPA+ as "4G" was pure marketing BS; T-Mobile started with that, and AT&T followed suit. I suppose that dual-carrier HSPA+ reaches into 4G territory from a speed standpoint, but I've never seen DC-HSPA+ outside of T-Mobile's network.
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I've read about T-Mobile's marketing "trick" but I didn't realize AT&T did something similar.
Well like I said, once I get this phone I should be fine for a good 2 years just using 3G and data. That should give the market time to catch up in the 4G department, by which time I'll be ready to move on to another phone anyway. Thanks for the info. :good:
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I've seen H20 at Best Buy, for some reason I thought it was an MVNO of T-Mobile. I was going to go with the AT&T GoPhone.
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Yes, "H+" (aka 42Mbps 3G) works fine on the Relay with AT&T Go Phone. It's what my wife is using, and it works fine. Faster than my 21Mbps HTC One X on Go Phone.
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Yes, "H+" (aka 42Mbps 3G) works fine on the Relay with AT&T Go Phone. It's what my wife is using, and it works fine. Faster than my 21Mbps HTC One X on Go Phone.
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LOL :laugh: Ebay, my friend. Cheap and new for less than $250. I'm buying myself one for Christmas, I urge you to do the same. :highfive:
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LOL :laugh: Ebay, my friend. Cheap and new for less than $250. I'm buying myself one for Christmas, I urge you to do the same. :highfive:
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Yeah, I bought my wife's for $140 as a manufacturer refurb.
No way do I want to swap my HOX for a Relay, just saying her 3G is markedly faster than mine.
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Yeah, I bought my wife's for $140 as a manufacturer refurb.
No way do I want to swap my HOX for a Relay, just saying her 3G is markedly faster than mine.
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lol alright cool, understood. Well I'm ready to go to the Relay 4G. Love my Epic but its time. GSM here I come.
And I see you're from San Diego. I was there briefly just to catch a plane, but I always wanted to go back to visit. If you live there and 3G on GoPhone works just fine, I should be good. :good: