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At&t and T-Mobile HSPA+ can run same device?

I know how At&t are gonna have HSPA+ 4g, I'm confused about the new devices they're gonna have that support HSPA+. Are they going to be able to connect to HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.
So for example, I buy an unlocked HSPA+ tablet from AT&T, straight from their store. Is it going to be able to use T-Mobile's HSPA+ network if I put a T-Mobile SIM card inside?
Also, one last question, if I use T-Mobile's SIM card, do I have to do some special stuff to get it to work on their cell network? Like how you have to unlock an iPhone for it to work on T-Mobile?
Thanks

xAliceNine said:
I know how At&t are gonna have HSPA+ 4g, I'm confused about the new devices they're gonna have that support HSPA+. Are they going to be able to connect to HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.
So for example, I buy an unlocked HSPA+ tablet from AT&T, straight from their store. Is it going to be able to use T-Mobile's HSPA+ network if I put a T-Mobile SIM card inside?
Also, one last question, if I use T-Mobile's SIM card, do I have to do some special stuff to get it to work on their cell network? Like how you have to unlock an iPhone for it to work on T-Mobile?
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Hello,
Unfortunately you will not be able to use HSPA+. HSPA+ is just an extension/revision of the current 3G. Effectively it is also called 3.5G/3.75G in some reports. They use the same 3G band of each respective company. The At&t tablet would work on 850/1900 band and T-mobile will work on their AWS (1700) band. So if you bought an At&t tablet, you may need to get it unlocked, not sure if they lock the sim on tablets. At best you would get Edge service with a T-mobile sim.

thanks man, argg
do you think it's worth it to change to at&t because I just heard of the Motorola Atrix and it sound PRETTY BAD ASS!
I don't know since people I know are always angry at AT&T for their service either..

xAliceNine said:
thanks man, argg
do you think it's worth it to change to at&t because I just heard of the Motorola Atrix and it sound PRETTY BAD ASS!
I don't know since people I know are always angry at AT&T for their service either..
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NP. I have had every major carrier offered in the US. I have had at&t, t-mobile, and sprint within the last year. I had verizon a while ago and dropped them because they could never get my bill right. Honestly, the service is about the same. The question is how is the service in your area. I mainly stay in my area about 90-98% of the time. I live in a major city so all carries have great service. But I have stayed with At&t for the last few years. Every time I go to another carrier I kept my at&t service, go figure. So I would just look at coverage to where you travel the most and go with a carrier that will give you the best coverage for the best price. Do i prefer a carrier over another, yeah. I like GSM carriers better because I do like to surf and talk at the same time. Sprint can do this if your in a 4G coverage area and have a 4G phone. Verizon is a no go with this feature until they release their LTE phones. But At&t has a better coverage footprint than T-mobile that is why I stick with them. Hope it helps.

Wondering a bit about this too.
I have service through Bendbroadband using a HSPA+ SIM with USB modem Dongle by bandluxe. The service is stellar on the speed, but I can't use the dongle with everything (iPad), so looking for alternate routes before i decide to move to a different provider.
I noticed that the CTO of the company said in a comment regarding their service that any unlocked UE that supports HSPA/HSPA+ in the AWS band could be used, but also had an unclear reponse on cell phones with HSPA+.
I have a Huawei Comet (unlocked), it lists the same AWS Bands compatible, but says HSDPA (which I thought HSDPA + HSUPA = HSPA+ but at higher speeds, correct me if I am wrong), and has hotspot tether that works with tmobile web service no problem.
I plugged the SIM in, and it updates the bar with BendBroadband but I get no data. (might need to provide the IMEI or something)..
Curious if you think it should work, before i go knocking on their doors.
Some other specs:
the mytouch 4g (HSPA+) lists the bands as:850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
The comet is listed as: 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
I am fairly sure the comet is HSPA+ but not advertised that way.

According to comments on the site, Bendbroadband technicians do not actually support moving of the SIMs. Bummer.. trying to keep my business local.. Bumping and moving to Tmobile once the month is up.

[Q] HTC sensation for Canada ?

Any info on when this might released in canada.
I am on ATT and I feel terrible that another great handset is going to T mobile and F**** att is not interested. Carriers in Canada like rogers and telus have the same band for ATT.
( But again no 4G )
So curious to know if canada is getting one.

Just letting you know that Telus AND Bell use a 4G network (HSPA+)
The DHD actually came out on what was considered a 3G+ network, with DL speeds up to 14 Mb/s, which is really the American 4G standard. With Telus' LTE coming in soon, you can expect DL speeds up to 75 Mb/s... So yeah, canadians don't really lag behind in that aspect!
As for the phone coming out here, Bell and Telus are big fans of HTC, and Bell even launched the Incredible S! So I'd say the chances are pretty good for it to come out here... Only thing is that if it comes to Telus, it might take a few months, as they tend to take their time with phone launches, and Rogers is just a Sony fan...

is Telus received the HTC Deasire HD and the first Desire look to see the Sensation on Telus as well but Telus has issues with taking to long to release phones but dont be suprised to see the phone with bell as well since the Atrix was a hit and miss

TheSobadef said:
Just letting you know that Telus AND Bell use a 4G network (HSPA+)
The DHD actually came out on what was considered a 3G+ network, with DL speeds up to 14 Mb/s, which is really the American 4G standard. With Telus' LTE coming in soon, you can expect DL speeds up to 75 Mb/s... So yeah, canadians don't really lag behind in that aspect!
As for the phone coming out here, Bell and Telus are big fans of HTC, and Bell even launched the Incredible S! So I'd say the chances are pretty good for it to come out here... Only thing is that if it comes to Telus, it might take a few months, as they tend to take their time with phone launches, and Rogers is just a Sony fan...
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I dint mean to say that US was ahead in terms of 4G. I thought the band for 4G was different between the networks. However its really good to know they are the same. Will be jumping to get hold of sensation when its released in canada.
Now have to find out someone to ship me one

TheSobadef said:
Just letting you know that Telus AND Bell use a 4G network (HSPA+)
The DHD actually came out on what was considered a 3G+ network, with DL speeds up to 14 Mb/s, which is really the American 4G standard. With Telus' LTE coming in soon, you can expect DL speeds up to 75 Mb/s... So yeah, canadians don't really lag behind in that aspect!
As for the phone coming out here, Bell and Telus are big fans of HTC, and Bell even launched the Incredible S! So I'd say the chances are pretty good for it to come out here... Only thing is that if it comes to Telus, it might take a few months, as they tend to take their time with phone launches, and Rogers is just a Sony fan...
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Rogers uses the same type of HSPA+ network as well.. I really wish they wouldn't call it 4g though.

Having been on both sides , I miss the net speeds in Canada.
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Is this phone going to work properly on rogers?
I've read that on rogers its only going to get 2G speeds...
I've been waiting for rogers to get a good phone for almost a year now, I'm going to leave if they don't get any good phones soon.

Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.

I think htc will release one with a compatible band

Thracks said:
Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.
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The G2 was released with T-Mobile bands, then later released with support for 1900 as the Desire Z. I'm returning my Nexus S and am going to stick with the Nexus One for the time being - I really hope this model makes it to Telus. There's nothing about it that I'd change other than maybe a bigger battery. Sense is tolerable.

Thracks said:
Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.
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Actually,
Rogers, Telus and Bell use 850/1900 for 3G, and many phones with just the 850 UMTS frequency work on these networks (i.e. The Australian HTC HD2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks

Thracks said:
Rogers, Bell and Telus use 1900MHz for 3G.
The Sensation uses 1700MHz.
If you want a carrier that's compatible with the Sensation, you need Mobilicity (ME!) or Wind.
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The sensation only uses 1700 in the US for T-Mobile. But who cares about 1700? No one ****ing uses that band. 2100 is what's used worldwide, and that's the sensation the world will get. What we're wondering is when a 850/1900 Sensation will hit.
As an AT&T customer, I'm not even counting on AT&T to get it, nor do I care if they get the phone. I don't want to be thrown on their smartphone data plan anyway. I like importing phones and slapping a SIM in so I can keep going on the $15/plan
Anyway, so if Canada carries the Sensation, that means it will come in 850/1900 flavors.

Even if u have a smartphone u can still use the 15$ plan

drgopoos said:
Even if u have a smartphone u can still use the 15$ plan
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If you use a non carrier smartphone you can get away with it. AT&T's not gonna make a huge list of all the smartphones in the world and blacklist them from the $15 plan.
They did it for the N1 but taht's because it was sold in the US targetted @ AT&T customers with the 850/1900 bands.
They can only really control the phones they sell to make sure that if you want data with their phones, if it's a smartphone you will be on the $30 plan. Suck it ATT.

dmo580 said:
if it's a smartphone you will be on the $30 plan. Suck it ATT.
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This is no longer valid.
Att has changed the rules now. Even if u have a smartphone u can have the 15$ plan.
My wife has iphone and she is on 15$ plan

drgopoos said:
This is no longer valid.
Att has changed the rules now. Even if u have a smartphone u can have the 15$ plan.
My wife has iphone and she is on 15$ plan
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Well AT&T is rather nice to you. Up here in Canada, Rogers (AT&T's counterpart in Canada) forces you into a minimum $45 Data Plan if you upgrade from a normal phone to a smartphone. Negotiations never seem to work unless you're extremely lucky, or know someone in the business.
On the topic of the Sensation coming to Canada, I have my doubts on Rogers getting it. They haven't supported many HTC devices in the past, and I doubt they will now. Rogers always carries Samsung and LG, with the occasional Sony Ericsson device.
I'd be willing to put money on Telus and/or Bell getting the Sensation, while Rogers probably taking the Galaxy S II.

If the phone comes out on telus or bell ill still be happy, since telus/bell/rogers all use the same 3G bands now.

Actually in Canada, for BlackBerry you need a minimum of $40 V&D, but for any other smartphone, it's $50... That said, I hear in the US V&D plans can go as high as $100 (here too, but they're the exception, not the norm). Unfortunately though, around these parts most plans don't come with more than 1GB of data.
One of the benefits of our plans though, is that download speeds destroy US speeds. LTE here is 125 Mb/s vs the 14 Mb/s you guys get. For us 14 Mb/s is considered regular HSPA+ (3G+).
As a Bestbuy mobile rep though, I get a fair plan for myself ($35 all incl) for my V&D plan that gives me all the add-ons i need (unlimited txt, Caller ID, VM, early nights) + 200 min and 1 GB data. Pretty good if you ask me
As a Telus customer though, and back on topic, whichever new phone to come out first to Bell or Telus (Sensation or S2), will be the one I buy. I'm hoping both will launch this summer, but I don't really feel like leaving Telus unless I have to...

I am hoping that the sensation gets a GSM release. Being it supports the MAP bluetooth profile, i would like to get a Android phone for my Focus to work with the My ford touch system. There are no android phones in canada that i know of that work with that profile.
When is the glaxy s2 supposed to be released in canada?

ive been with every big phone supplier 4 at least afew weeks and htc is the only 1 im interested in. the galaxy s could be a great phone but they dont give you enough great features. if samsung had its own "friendstream" style social widget, it woyuld compete. but after flahsing sense 3.0 on my desire hd, ill never go back to plain android. every company's UI look sboring in comparision to sense 3.0. only flaw with htc right now is psx4droid doesnt work on the updated sense ui. oncenthat is fixed, this is easily the best brand phone

[Q] T-Mobile 4G Support

Hi There!
I was just in the US for 9 days, and bought a 30 day prepaid plan thinking that because it said I could have 4G I would actually get 4G Speeds. I was only able to get Edge Speeds anywhere I went, and it was pretty horrible.
I logged 2 support chat incidents the first guy was clueless, the second person said they don't give 4g speeds to non T-Mobile provided devices which I thought was pretty crappy.
Is there a software workaround to allow 4G speeds on Android devices purchased from other providers? My phone is an international unlocked device (NZ) and I can get H+ Speeds in Countries like Australia with no issues.
Anyone who could shed some light would be appreciated.

If it was a T-mobile prepaid card that was probably your issue. T-mobile utilizes different frequencies (AWS 1700 band) than almost all other GSM carriers. So if you do not have a t-mobile branded, or a pentaband phone you are only able to get edge speeds. Next time get prepaid AT&T and you will be good to go.

Yah it was a Prepaid Simcard and then a $30 card from Walmart delivered Electronically. I forgot to state I was using a Galaxy S2. Hard to comprehend it not supporting the 4G considering it's a device T-Mobile sell (Though it has slightly different spec's in terms of screen size and button configuration so potentially it could I guess support additional bands.

networkn said:
Yah it was a Prepaid Simcard and then a $30 card from Walmart delivered Electronically. I forgot to state I was using a Galaxy S2. Hard to comprehend it not supporting the 4G considering it's a device T-Mobile sell (Though it has slightly different spec's in terms of screen size and button configuration so potentially it could I guess support additional bands.
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The international SGSII (I9100) and the AT&T SGSII (I777) do not support T-mobile 3G or 4G. The Skyrocket and the T-mobile SGSII (Hercules) are pentaband phones that support both AT&T and T-mobile 4G. The reason for this is the Exynos processor which does not support the AWS bands. That is why the skyrocket and hercules come with the snapdragon processor.

Thanks for the reply, at least now I know. ATT doesn't seem to have anything similar to T-Mobile in so far as you get 5GB 4G, unlimited calling and texting for $30, are ATT generally more expensive?
Thanks.

Att is generally more expensive yes. But as someone already mentioned, Tmobile uses aws band which is different than almost all others for 4g. So you have to weigh your options
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AT&T LTE Phones on T-Mobile's LTE network

So T-Mobile seems to be ramping up their LTE coverage and my area seems to be one of the LTE markets.
I was wondering, would now be a good time to buy an AT&T Android LTE phone (like the Note 2 or GS3)?
I'm not entirely clear if the LTE on those AT&T phones will work with the current/future T-Mobile LTE network.
Right now I'm currently using an iPhone 4 on T-Mobile. I get spotty 3G coverage since I'm in one of the 1900MHz refarmed areas. Would using an AWS LTE compatible AT&T phone let me get T-Mobile LTE service?
Is T-Mobile eventually going to get rid of their 3G service on the 1700MHz frequency so they can use it for LTE and then put their 3G service on the 1900MHz frequency?
I can't afford a brand new phone, but when it comes to used phones it always seems that AT&T ones are cheaper to buy than T-Mobile equivalent.

Outrager said:
So T-Mobile seems to be ramping up their LTE coverage and my area seems to be one of the LTE markets.
I was wondering, would now be a good time to buy an AT&T Android LTE phone (like the Note 2 or GS3)?
I'm not entirely clear if the LTE on those AT&T phones will work with the current/future T-Mobile LTE network.
Right now I'm currently using an iPhone 4 on T-Mobile. I get spotty 3G coverage since I'm in one of the 1900MHz refarmed areas. Would using an AWS LTE compatible AT&T phone let me get T-Mobile LTE service?
Is T-Mobile eventually going to get rid of their 3G service on the 1700MHz frequency so they can use it for LTE and then put their 3G service on the 1900MHz frequency?
I can't afford a brand new phone, but when it comes to used phones it always seems that AT&T ones are cheaper to buy than T-Mobile equivalent.
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It has been my understanding that AT&T and T-Mobile smartphones are network cross-compatible because they use the same bands for HSPDA and LTE. So as long as you have the following, you should be good to go.
First and most important: ***Phone Unlocked***
The correct sim for the carrier.
The correct APN settings for the carrier. (If this isn't auto-populated after the new sim is in the phone, you can search here on XDA for them.)
Lastly, apply any patches/fixes/tweaks for the particular device where needed. (if needed)
As for this network cross-compatibility changing in the future, odds are that it probably will not happen any time soon as this would be very costly for the carrier to change so soon after launching the LTE service. Post-LTE, maybe, but that is at least another 10 years away if I had to guess. :fingers-crossed:

3g on ATT with Galaxy Relay?

So, my phone is rooted and unlocked.I pop in my sim card, put in access point info that was in my old phone that got 3g (desire z/g2) and I only get edge. Am I missing a step? Did Tmobile block att bands for 3g use in the USA?

I figured it out. Network mode was set to GSM. When it was switched to GSM/WCDMA 4g came in great. Not sure why that would be, as ATT uses GSM only, but there you go for anyone that's searching. :good:

gbmannc said:
I figured it out. Network mode was set to GSM. When it was switched to GSM/WCDMA 4g came in great. Not sure why that would be, as ATT uses GSM only, but there you go for anyone that's searching. :good:
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Do you mean 3G came in when you switched to GSM/WCDMA? Its my understanding this phone, despite its name, can't actually get 4G but rather a somewhat faster version of 3G when 4G is switched on (online it seems to have the unofficial title of 3.5G).

As i understand it what the phone companies call 4g is not quite actually 4g. Its 2 channels of 3g which gives a net speed in the 4g range. But 4g lte is actually a 4g connection, which the relay doesn't have.

croogrog said:
As i understand it what the phone companies call 4g is not quite actually 4g. Its 2 channels of 3g which gives a net speed in the 4g range. But 4g lte is actually a 4g connection, which the relay doesn't have.
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Meaning the Relay 4G won't be able to access AT&T's 4G connection.
I'm more concerned with it being able to access AT&T's 3G connection. There isn't enough 4G LTE coverage for me to really be concerned with a phone that can't access it. In 2 years times, YEAH, but for now, no, I just want decent 3G.

EpicMikeNC said:
Meaning the Relay 4G won't be able to access AT&T's 4G connection.
I'm more concerned with it being able to access AT&T's 3G connection. There isn't enough 4G LTE coverage for me to really be concerned with a phone that can't access it. In 2 years times, YEAH, but for now, no, I just want decent 3G.
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It shouldn't have a problem, as long as it's unlocked and you've set up your APN properly. I've moved my T-Mobile service to an LTE-capable LG Optimus F3, and put an H2O Wireless SIM into the Relay (H2O is an MVNO that uses AT&T's network). AT&T's HSPA+ works fine on my Relay.
The labeling of HSPA+ as "4G" was pure marketing BS; T-Mobile started with that, and AT&T followed suit. I suppose that dual-carrier HSPA+ reaches into 4G territory from a speed standpoint, but I've never seen DC-HSPA+ outside of T-Mobile's network.

Bobby Tables said:
It shouldn't have a problem, as long as it's unlocked and you've set up your APN properly. I've moved my T-Mobile service to an LTE-capable LG Optimus F3, and put an H2O Wireless SIM into the Relay (H2O is an MVNO that uses AT&T's network). AT&T's HSPA+ works fine on my Relay.
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I've seen H20 at Best Buy, for some reason I thought it was an MVNO of T-Mobile. I was going to go with the AT&T GoPhone.
The labeling of HSPA+ as "4G" was pure marketing BS; T-Mobile started with that, and AT&T followed suit. I suppose that dual-carrier HSPA+ reaches into 4G territory from a speed standpoint, but I've never seen DC-HSPA+ outside of T-Mobile's network.
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I've read about T-Mobile's marketing "trick" but I didn't realize AT&T did something similar.
Well like I said, once I get this phone I should be fine for a good 2 years just using 3G and data. That should give the market time to catch up in the 4G department, by which time I'll be ready to move on to another phone anyway. Thanks for the info. :good:

EpicMikeNC said:
I've seen H20 at Best Buy, for some reason I thought it was an MVNO of T-Mobile. I was going to go with the AT&T GoPhone.
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Yes, "H+" (aka 42Mbps 3G) works fine on the Relay with AT&T Go Phone. It's what my wife is using, and it works fine. Faster than my 21Mbps HTC One X on Go Phone.

scotte9999 said:
Yes, "H+" (aka 42Mbps 3G) works fine on the Relay with AT&T Go Phone. It's what my wife is using, and it works fine. Faster than my 21Mbps HTC One X on Go Phone.
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LOL :laugh: Ebay, my friend. Cheap and new for less than $250. I'm buying myself one for Christmas, I urge you to do the same. :highfive:

EpicMikeNC said:
LOL :laugh: Ebay, my friend. Cheap and new for less than $250. I'm buying myself one for Christmas, I urge you to do the same. :highfive:
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Yeah, I bought my wife's for $140 as a manufacturer refurb.
No way do I want to swap my HOX for a Relay, just saying her 3G is markedly faster than mine.

scotte9999 said:
Yeah, I bought my wife's for $140 as a manufacturer refurb.
No way do I want to swap my HOX for a Relay, just saying her 3G is markedly faster than mine.
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lol alright cool, understood. Well I'm ready to go to the Relay 4G. Love my Epic but its time. GSM here I come.
And I see you're from San Diego. I was there briefly just to catch a plane, but I always wanted to go back to visit. If you live there and 3G on GoPhone works just fine, I should be good. :good: