So guys,I was checking the Sensation forums the other day and I saw that they managed to overclock their GPU,something that has been dubbed impossible on the Desire HD.Knowing Qualcomm,however,newer chips are just better than previous one,not different in the way they work.So,my idea is,maybe someone should be contacting these guys in case we can overclock the Adreno 205 as well.That'd give the DHD a much-needed boost.What do you guys think?
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babijoee edit: Updated title
tolis626 edit: No problem.
Anyway,since this thread got the attention it deserved,I have to say a big thank you to shaky153 for all the work he's done,daedric for the pointing to the right direction and to everyone who simply supported the idea.This is XDA!
Welcome to the desire hd gpu development thread
I can get all technical here about the gpu but i think its best i don't
Ive achieved setting the 2dclock at 245mhz on boot but somehow during boot, it kicks back to its 192mhz
This thread will get updated frequently with any news on achieving gpu overclocking
I would love it, but i'm not sure if it's possible. Correct me if i'm wrong
BazookaAce said:
I would love it, but i'm not sure if it's possible. Correct me if i'm wrong
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Well,I do remember much work being done on the original Desire and the Nexus One but to no avail.However the Adreno 200 was a right nasty piece of crap.I once "discussed" this with LeeDroid and he told me that it was not possible,but I think he had based his answer on the fact that work on the original Desire led to nothing.But if a dev actually looks into it and asks the guys at the Sensation forums,we might be next to something pretty cool.
So no one's interested?I'm surprised.Negatively.
Uh... can you provide a link to a thread/tut on how to OC the GPU of the sensation?
With the qualcomm cpus/gpus when you OC the CPU you are also OCing the GPU...
I'm very interested but rarely check the general section. A link would be helpful
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Uh... can you provide a link to a thread/tut on how to OC the GPU of the sensation?
With the qualcomm cpus/gpus when you OC the CPU you are also OCing the GPU...
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I'm very interested but rarely check the general section. A link would be helpful
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Thank god!I thought my fellow ol' Desire HD pals weren't mad anymore now that I left!
So,I can't give you a link that shows how to do it,but here is BrickedKernel's thread,which has the GPU overclocked.If you'd ask show-p1984 how it's done,I don't think he wouldn't tell you.
tolis626 said:
That'd give the DHD a much-needed boost.
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Much-needed for what?
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Much-needed for what?
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lol i second that
much needed for what? the newest 3D games run liquid smooth on the DHD
but maybe it will speed up the GPU accelerated sense 3.0 UI
Well atm it can run most games pretty decent but knowing that there's room for improvement we addicts just need that fix XD
Overclocking will not yield massive improvements; GPUs for the most part just don't overclock that well in comparison to CPUs.
You will either get worse battery life or worse performance. So it's a choice between the two. But again, there isn't much point, the DHD's GPU is not slow by any means.
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Well atm it can run most games pretty decent but knowing that there's room for improvement we addicts just need that fix XD
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Yep,that's the spirit.If we just accepted everything that worked,we-XDA-wouldn't have been here in the first place.It won't hurt to try now,will it?
Plus,decent has a long way to go to become awesome.
lambomanx1 said:
Overclocking will not yield massive improvements; GPUs for the most part just don't overclock that well in comparison to CPUs.
You will either get worse battery life or worse performance. So it's a choice between the two. But again, there isn't much point, the DHD's GPU is not slow by any means.
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Lemme get this straight,you base that information where exactly?Because for the most part I see manufacturer overclocked GPU's and GPU's with manufacturer unlocked clocks,and full PC GPU's are much better examples than mobile,embeded chips.
Another one.On my Galaxy S 2 I used Tegrak Overclock and overclocked my GPU at 400MHz,all the way from 267MHz.Hell,I even raised the minimum clock to 200MHz instead of 160MHz.Performance?You have no idea.Absolutely amazing.Plus,I saw absolutely no increase in battery drain(Not that there isn't,but it's so slight that other parts,like the screen,drain the battery MUCH faster).
So,unless you have some actual references,don't say bullsh!t.Thank you.
tolis626 said:
Lemme get this straight,you base that information where exactly?Because for the most part I see manufacturer overclocked GPU's and GPU's with manufacturer unlocked clocks,and full PC GPU's are much better examples than mobile,embeded chips.
Another one.On my Galaxy S 2 I used Tegrak Overclock and overclocked my GPU at 400MHz,all the way from 267MHz.Hell,I even raised the minimum clock to 200MHz instead of 160MHz.Performance?You have no idea.Absolutely amazing.Plus,I saw absolutely no increase in battery drain(Not that there isn't,but it's so slight that other parts,like the screen,drain the battery MUCH faster).
So,unless you have some actual references,don't say bullsh!t.Thank you.
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Firstly, rather than being agressive to fellow posters, read their posts. I said, for the most part. Not, "in every single case known to man".
Secondly, I base that information on general knowledge and generally agreed knowledge in the PC community. CPU's overclock well; my old E4300 ran at 3.1GHz, stock 1.8GHz. Core 2, Core i5/i7 chips, have all overclocked immensely well. In comparison, GPUs do not do anywhere near as well most of the time. This is changing, however.
Secondly, you're talking about your Galaxy S2. We aren't.
I've stated that "in general, GPUs don't overclock that well". Hence why you'll find that most boutique PC builders do not overclock graphics cards. It's not worth the effort.
You've stated that your GPU overclocks well. The chances are, the far better (and newer) architecture of your SGS2 means that it has a lot more in it than the DHD component.
Finally, don't tell me to find references when you haven't yourself.
lambomanx1 said:
Overclocking will not yield massive improvements; GPUs for the most part just don't overclock that well in comparison to CPUs.
You will either get worse battery life or worse performance. So it's a choice between the two. But again, there isn't much point, the DHD's GPU is not slow by any means.
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DHD Gpu is pretty slow actually.
And... gpus oc prettty well... As to how these specific ones OC... well no one knows because no1 has tried as of yet right? If we can get ~100-200mhz extra outta the GPU with acceptable drain I'd settle for that
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Firstly, rather than being agressive to fellow posters, read their posts. I said, for the most part. Not, "in every single case known to man".
Secondly, I base that information on general knowledge and generally agreed knowledge in the PC community. CPU's overclock well; my old E4300 ran at 3.1GHz, stock 1.8GHz. Core 2, Core i5/i7 chips, have all overclocked immensely well. In comparison, GPUs do not do anywhere near as well most of the time. This is changing, however.
Secondly, you're talking about your Galaxy S2. We aren't.
I've stated that "in general, GPUs don't overclock that well". Hence why you'll find that most boutique PC builders do not overclock graphics cards. It's not worth the effort.
You've stated that your GPU overclocks well. The chances are, the far better (and newer) architecture of your SGS2 means that it has a lot more in it than the DHD component.
Finally, don't tell me to find references when you haven't yourself.
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To get this straight,there is no way that you'll overclock a GPU at,say,double its stock speed.By that manner yes,they don't overclock well.But my father's overclocked Ati 6870 kicks my stock one's ass.Not by a lot,but it does nevertheless.
My Galaxy S 2 was merely an example that it can be done in phones.So is the Sensation that isn't THAT much different than the Desire HD.So it's just a matter of can or can't.If we can,no one will force you to overclock your GPU.
So,unlesa you completely disagree,I think we could end this before we end up in a thread full of flaming.What do you say?
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tolis626 said:
To get this straight,there is no way that you'll overclock a GPU at,say,double its stock speed.By that manner yes,they don't overclock well.But my father's overclocked Ati 6870 kicks my stock one's ass.Not by a lot,but it does nevertheless.
My Galaxy S 2 was merely an example that it can be done in phones.So is the Sensation that isn't THAT much different than the Desire HD.So it's just a matter of can or can't.If we can,no one will force you to overclock your GPU.
So,unlesa you completely disagree,I think we could end this before we end up in a thread full of flaming.What do you say?
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Hi,
I guess it will be awsome!!!
This is the XDA spirit!!!
Let's see what the sensation masters have to say...
best regards
Apparently,overclocking the Adreno 200 is possible,as bananacakes has done it for the Desire here.So,will we get left behind?
By the way,the Adreno 200 overclocked runs at 83MHz...I laughed so hard at that one!
lambomanx1 said:
Firstly, rather than being agressive to fellow posters, read their posts. I said, for the most part. Not, "in every single case known to man".
Secondly, I base that information on general knowledge and generally agreed knowledge in the PC community. CPU's overclock well; my old E4300 ran at 3.1GHz, stock 1.8GHz. Core 2, Core i5/i7 chips, have all overclocked immensely well. In comparison, GPUs do not do anywhere near as well most of the time. This is changing, however.
Secondly, you're talking about your Galaxy S2. We aren't.
I've stated that "in general, GPUs don't overclock that well". Hence why you'll find that most boutique PC builders do not overclock graphics cards. It's not worth the effort.
You've stated that your GPU overclocks well. The chances are, the far better (and newer) architecture of your SGS2 means that it has a lot more in it than the DHD component.
Finally, don't tell me to find references when you haven't yourself.
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@lambomanx1 - please, DO NOT OFF TOPIC.
If you don't like the idea of having better hardware, just go away.
@tolis626 - don't feed you know who. But back to the point - yep, we would like to have this possibility. Best would be as optional overclocking as always, who does not want it, just do not touch it. Althought I'm a dev, I do not know much about cell hardware, so I'm useless, but I would be happy to see someone works on this topic. Maybe you should talk to Lee again, but I doubt he would be happy to work on our "old" hardware while maintaining LeeDroid on both of his phones. So, idea is great, but I thing it will fail if we won't find a dev which knows the hardware and has no access to better than DHD . And there are _big_ chances that Lee had right saying it's simply impossible, but it's worth checking again.
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@lambomanx1 - please, DO NOT OFF TOPIC.
If you don't like the idea of having better hardware, just go away.
@tolis626 - don't feed you know who. But back to the point - yep, we would like to have this possibility. Best would be as optional overclocking as always, who does not want it, just do not touch it. Althought I'm a dev, I do not know much about cell hardware, so I'm useless, but I would be happy to see someone works on this topic. Maybe you should talk to Lee again, but I doubt he would be happy to work on our "old" hardware while maintaining LeeDroid on both of his phones. So, idea is great, but I thing it will fail if we won't find a dev which knows the hardware and has no access to better than DHD . And there are _big_ chances that Lee had right saying it's simply impossible, but it's worth checking again.
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Lee is an awesome guy who I think will help if he has time.I even convinced him to give us the first 1.8GHz kernel for the DHD once.
Maybe we should also contact LordClockan.He is an awesome kernel developer with good knowledge of DHD's hardware.
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Not sure if this was already known, but Qualcomm released an open source driver for the Snapdragon GPU. Figured this might help the developers:
phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODM4OA
Oh sweet. Could lead to Ubuntu Mobile Edition on EVO. That'd be kick ass.
erulai said:
Oh sweet. Could lead to Ubuntu Mobile Edition on EVO. That'd be kick ass.
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Or hopefully a possible fix to the 30 FPS?? That would be necessary! ....but so would UME.
The more than capable devs on this site will have that GPU humming with this knowledge!! This can only mean good things.
this is awesome, i wish there was a whitepaper to read!
good luck devs.
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this is awesome, i wish there was a whitepaper to read!
good luck devs.
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Yeah I wish there was Snapdragon whitepaper too
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Or hopefully a possible fix to the 30 FPS?? That would be necessary! ....but so would UME.
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I REALLY doubt the cap is in the GPU code. It could be, but it's unlikely.
And its also funny how when I have my thread about overclocking the GPU, seemingly no one cared, and yet people post something that may not even be new (it looks like the same code we have now, but I'll check it out more) people jump all over it.
EDIT: It's definitely different. And it looks like the overclock may be possible now, but that'll take some more time.
This is really f**king awesome!
This was one of the complaints with the Evo, that it doesn't have a proper GPU driver. Not to mention I believe when Qualcomm bought out ATI was when their desktop drivers were complete crap - if much hasn't been updated, this could lead to some extreme performance increases.
Regardless, this is nothing but good!
Sorry if this is a stupid question but what exactly will this mean for the end user? Better gaming? Faster overall performance?
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Sorry if this is a stupid question but what exactly will this mean for the end user? Better gaming? Faster overall performance?
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Without a driver things are slow. So better gaming and faster performance.
Help me......I can't quit drooling lmao...... this is great.
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Ummm, didn't AMD buy ATI?
theillustratedlife said:
Ummm, didn't AMD buy ATI?
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Apparently, not that particular division. It was sold to Qualcomm.
theillustratedlife said:
Ummm, didn't AMD buy ATI?
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Desktop and computer graphics division is now owned by AMD, but the handheld/mobile devices division was sold to Qualcomm in 2008.
OMG! THIS IS GONNA BE GOOOOOOOOD!!!
With the amazing devs that are coding for the Evo.. its ON!!
BRAVO to qualcomm! I am going to take this as a sign that they see what is going on with other manufacturers (like they are getting spanked with regards to performance of their chipsets) and they want to see what the community can do!!
THAT is why i love ANDROID!!!
This is nice, although this will not help the GPU Devs with the frame cap. The EVO,Droid Incredible, and N1 all hold the same GPU processor, a Adreno 200.
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Maybe its time to invest in that kickstand heat sink after all
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OMG! THIS IS GONNA BE GOOOOOOOOD!!!
With the amazing devs that are coding for the Evo.. its ON!!
BRAVO to qualcomm! I am going to take this as a sign that they see what is going on with other manufacturers (like they are getting spanked with regards to performance of their chipsets) and they want to see what the community can do!!
THAT is why i love ANDROID!!!
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Yeah. I guarantee you no one saw that one coming. But that is a very good point. If I made a chip, and want to sell it to phone manufacturers, but one phone company (*cough* HTC) runs just the generic driver and doesn't optimize it, then in the end, I look bad. Now if they'll release the whitepapers to the Snapdragon itself....whoa...
Unfortunately, its not the full driver.
The announcement itself clearly states, kernel 3D drivers are really just resource managers. The real driver lives in userland, and that part isn't open source.
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Unfortunately, its not the full driver.
The announcement itself clearly states, kernel 3D drivers are really just resource managers. The real driver lives in userland, and that part isn't open source.
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Perhaps, but maybe there's SOMETHING in there that would be useful for developers. Any performance gain at all would be sweet!
Also, before you guys get too excited... imagine the scenario:
You got this brand new video card, an NVidia GeForce 280 GT...
But you only have a 14 inch crt monitor.
Well that's what it seems like we're facing as of now on the EVO.
With the Sensation being rooted and having custom kernels made, can there be a clearer comparison made between the two SoCs as too which one is more powerful than the other?
Yes, it should, since we have only been able to test the Sensation under stock Sense for the most part. It seems that Sense is not optimized for speed.
Rooted and/or overclocked SGS2's can be anywhere from 15-30% faster than stock. Make sure you're comparing rooted Sensation's to rooted SGS2's. Comparing a rooted Sensation to a stock SGS2 isn't apples to apples.
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Rooted and/or overclocked SGS2's can be anywhere from 15-30% faster than stock. Make sure you're comparing rooted Sensation's to rooted SGS2's. Comparing a rooted Sensation to a stock SGS2 isn't apples to apples.
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Of course. If anyone has any benchmarks etc between the two rooted phones do show
Root doesn't make a phone faster. It's the tweaked roms and kernels that do. I"d say we'd need at least a few more weeks before we see huge performance gains. We may not even see anything until dual core qualcomm cpu's are fully supported in android.
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Root doesn't make a phone faster. It's the tweaked roms and kernels that do. I"d say we'd need at least a few more weeks before we see huge performance gains. We may not even see anything until dual core qualcomm cpu's are fully supported in android.
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I never knew they were not fully supported in android? In what ways are they not?
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I never knew they were not fully supported in android? In what ways are they not?
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Apparently our soc is a asynchronous core meaning it isn't using both cores to implement one task like the GS2. That's supposed to be supported in a later build. That's just from what I've read. I have no solid proof of what I just said.
So if anything, its the benchmarking softwares fault for not being able to fully utilise two asynchronous cores, which should be a lot more efficient than the synchronous cores. Thus in one way or another already our SoC is ‘better’,
benchmarks isn't everything,my dhd can run 3900＋ indeed
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I notice some of the ROM's for the Sensation allow overclocking of the CPU. Is this going to be possible on our phones? Having seen the potential benchmarks for the S3 with a trimmed down ROM and an overclock I wonder what our dual core is capable of? Is it even possible?
Now the One S is out in the US i'm really hoping development takes off!
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I notice some of the ROM's for the Sensation allow overclocking of the CPU. Is this going to be possible on our phones? Having seen the potential benchmarks for the S3 with a trimmed down ROM and an overclock I wonder what our dual core is capable of? Is it even possible?
Now the One S is out in the US i'm really hoping development takes off!
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It's for sure possible. 99% of Android phones nowadays are OC'able to some degree. However, the kernel sources is needed from HTC in order to effectively make this happen. Til then, no custom kernels.
Here's to hoping HTC fulfills their GPL obligations soon and that they post it.
I'm going to buy a g2x from eBay, as far as development is concerned.. how is it ? What's the progress for cm9/ics/aokp? I've got a LG Optimus T and well its an older device with Armv6 so we need openmax drivers... is this phone slated for official ICS release or is LG being stupid even for high end models? What can I expect with this phone and would anyone recommend this phone.. what are the pros and cons, battery and performance, Overclocking options, undervolting options
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I'm going to buy a g2x from eBay, as far as development is concerned.. how is it ? What's the progress for cm9/ics/aokp? I've got a LG Optimus T and well its an older device with Armv6 so we need openmax drivers... is this phone slated for official ICS release or is LG being stupid even for high end models? What can I expect with this phone and would anyone recommend this phone.. what are the pros and cons, battery and performance, Overclocking options, undervolting options
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Most is stable with CM9/ICS/AOKP, we still need drivers though so that we can get a handle on full hardware acceleration and probably just little things that would help out.
The G2x most likely won't get an ICS update, but the O2x(overseas brother) is slated for Q3 this year. We'll pick apart the update for them and adjust it to work for us.
Since for some reason a good deal of our phones are different, you'll have to find the ROM that works for you. I have a good time with ROMs from the Eaglesblood team, but I've tried a few like Weapon and my phone just doesn't agree. Could be the kernel, undervolting, Over clocking or... well, who knows. Like I said, you have to experiment. Most phones can OC to about 1.5(a lot of kernels are 1.4 these days, I think) I'm not too sure on the thresholds of UV.
Pros? It's a beast. It can handle tasks quickly. Dual Core really helped android out. It's 4G so if you're with a service that provides it and in an area with it... you'll be zoomin'! We've got a selection of ROMs too. 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, 4.0... You'll have to search a bit, but I'm sure you'd find something that fits you. The IPS screen is really nice too. You can get a pretty wide viewing angle and the colors are great.
Cons? 4G is kind of a battery killer, if you use something like Juice Defender, or just switch your data off whenever you really don't need it, you should be fine. Some ROMs have the option built in. I can usually get through the day just fine if I'm doing some web browsing, or texting, or a few YouTube vids. With ICS its a little bit harder. The phone's working a bit more to provide, lol. Our RAM is only 512mb so... While it works just fine, 1 gig would have been a bit better. Programs wouldn't have to get killed as much and I think it would ease up on the slowdown.
I hope this helps and that my information is on-point. It's a good phone and with the right after-market "love", it's a fantastic device, in my opinion.
How much are you getting your G2x for?
Yeah that's a LG problem..we need openmax drivers for optimus t phones but doubt will get em... its an Armv6 device
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dudes that wanna buy their first smartphone may not know which to choose & they are looking for. they may be afraid that they buy the wrong phone & regret, its a waste of money. i have an awful experience & would like to let the beginners know what they should know:
Processor/Chipset/CPU:
higher clockspeed & more number of cores means better performance. types of cores matters too. higher efficiency means better multitasking & better battery saving.
RAM:
low end smartphones run on 512mb RAM, better ones run on 768mb or 1gb.. there's some amount of RAM being use for the system to function, the rest is left for users to use.
Software:
(multitasking, android vs iOS coming soon)
Sony's features are OVERRATED
(coming soon)
*when u have no choice but to buy a low budget phone, its advisable to get it root & flash custom ROM & kernel, which u can find on XDA.
useful, but most of this is already common knowledge
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useful, but most of this is already common knowledge
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i agree but not many beginners who r new to the android world r aware of this, i used to be one of them
thanks
Thanks. But don't forget dev support.
Advice
Thanks excellent advice. I would also add, avoid phones with slider keyboards or moving parts in generally.
Thanks for the info
I never knew that Sony Bravia Engine could get your battery more drained...
this made me choose the sgs3
Interesting post. I'd agree that some of this is common knowledge (especially here on XDA) but there are some things in this post which simply aren't really true.
1. Higher cores/clock speeds lead to better performance - this is just wrong. The speed of a device depends on a variety of things, mainly software optimisation. A Snapdragon S4 Pro on GB still wouldn't give as nice a performance as a Tegra 3 on JB. In addition, the number of cores is definitely not completely representative of the power of a chipset. The two highest performing chipsets in devices currently being sold are (AFAIK) the Apple A6X in the iPad 4 and the Exynos in the Nexus 10. Both are dual core. I don't understand much about CPUs, but from what I've read the performance really depends on the architecture it's built on.
2. Low RAM = low performance - this isn't true, look at the iPhone 4S. It only had 512MB of RAM but performed well.
3. The iPhone is crap because of its hardware - far too many people on XDA hate the iPhone for the wrong reasons. The hardware of the iPhone is amongst the best available, and the A6 is probably the second best performing chip in phones after the S4 pro (well, from the phones which are currently available). The iPhone itself isn't crap, but iOS is. The price is also ridiculous, I hate the Apple mark-up.
4. Sony Bravia engine is crap - I don't know about this, but it's almost certainly entirely down to opinion. Many people including myself feel that AMOLED screens are oversaturated, and prefer SLCD.
5. 'thats almost all u need to know before u buy a smartphone' - WHOA, not even remotely close. What OS do you want? What are you going to use your phone for? Is your phone available on your carrier (more a question for Americans)? Are you currently already in any ecosystems (e.g. do you already have an Android phone)? How much storage do you need? Do you need a MicroSD slot? What screen size do you want? I could easily go on, but I'm sure you get the idea.
I know you made the post with good intentions, but there are too many things wrong with it to not point them out.
Yeah, higher clock speed =/= better and faster. You need to think about processor family/architecture and more - my advice would be to Google the phone/processor you're looking at and look at benchmarks for your intended use.
Quad is not necessarily and better than dual-core, either. Most programs do not take advantage of quad-core - if a person would benefit from it, they probably already know a decent amount about hardware and what they are looking for.
Some phones and users can get away with only 512Mb RAM. This part is going to really depend on budget. 1Gb is a good "standard", but it's not going to work for everyone.
If a person has a low budget, they should look at older, used, devices that used to be very popular - such as the Samsung Galaxy S2, the Galaxy Nexus, even the Nexus One depending on budget. That way, there is lots of custom development available, and they don't have to deal with a current budget device that not many people are going to care to develop anything for. The Nexus phones are always a good bet because Google should contintue developing for them until it's no longer possible for the harware.
Rooting doesn't give any performance gains unless you know what to do with root access. A ROM might be able to help, and might give updated features. However, this solution will mean the user is interested in learning about Android and how to do things like under or over-clock the CPU - very nit-picky little things. A person has to like that and should consider that when buying a phone.
Likewise, if a person is looking at knockoff phones, they might not even be able to get root access, will likely never get software updates, no support, and will get what they get - and maybe not even that.
If anyone really cares that much about looks, hopefully they're not on a budget. But are you really going to not have a case ? Getting a case or a skin can change how a phone looks, so I don't think it's a big deal.
I think battery being removable or not a huge concern especially if a person is on a limited budget - since if they are, it probably means they don't want to be upgrading all the time, and they are probably buying used. Buying used means you can buy other peoples' problems - like their lack of caring for a battery. Removable means you can just switch it out and you don't have to baby it.
MIcroSD cards can be important for people who want to have a lot of music or other media with them and not have to stream it. It's nice if your phone can put apps on it, too.
And MOAR.
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Interesting post. I'd agree that some of this is common knowledge (especially here on XDA) but there are some things in this post which simply aren't really true.
1. Higher cores/clock speeds lead to better performance - this is just wrong. The speed of a device depends on a variety of things, mainly software optimisation. A Snapdragon S4 Pro on GB still wouldn't give as nice a performance as a Tegra 3 on JB. In addition, the number of cores is definitely not completely representative of the power of a chipset. The two highest performing chipsets in devices currently being sold are (AFAIK) the Apple A6X in the iPad 4 and the Exynos in the Nexus 10. Both are dual core. I don't understand much about CPUs, but from what I've read the performance really depends on the architecture it's built on.
2. Low RAM = low performance - this isn't true, look at the iPhone 4S. It only had 512MB of RAM but performed well.
3. The iPhone is crap because of its hardware - far too many people on XDA hate the iPhone for the wrong reasons. The hardware of the iPhone is amongst the best available, and the A6 is probably the second best performing chip in phones after the S4 pro (well, from the phones which are currently available). The iPhone itself isn't crap, but iOS is. The price is also ridiculous, I hate the Apple mark-up.
4. Sony Bravia engine is crap - I don't know about this, but it's almost certainly entirely down to opinion. Many people including myself feel that AMOLED screens are oversaturated, and prefer SLCD.
5. 'thats almost all u need to know before u buy a smartphone' - WHOA, not even remotely close. What OS do you want? What are you going to use your phone for? Is your phone available on your carrier (more a question for Americans)? Are you currently already in any ecosystems (e.g. do you already have an Android phone)? How much storage do you need? Do you need a MicroSD slot? What screen size do you want? I could easily go on, but I'm sure you get the idea.
I know you made the post with good intentions, but there are too many things wrong with it to not point them out.
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oh i see, looks like there r much more to learn. thanks anyway for correcting my mistakes, i do believe most smartphones comes with miro sd card slot up to 32gb, so it wont be a problem. but really i experience this myself-------bravia engine works only in album viewing & video, but i dont see the differences though. erm i though 4S has 1gb ram? if its really 512mb, can it handle a game like gangstar rio? its hard for me to believe so......i get it on the last part, but im trying to make an advice as short as possible, what users want to use their phone for is totally up to them, im just here to pinpoint the important points that some beginners r unaware about.
experto927 said:
I never knew that Sony Bravia Engine could get your battery more drained...
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yes it will, just like glove mode, when activated will use more battery.
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Please add: Avoid LG at all costs, they will just ruin your Android experience!
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Please add: Avoid LG at all costs, they will just ruin your Android experience!
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erm do u have any evidences to back up your statements?
Xperia J stinks,adreno 200 is 2010 hardware.This is not accurate.Before getting a phone,do some research on it's hardware,which can be found @ gsmarena.com.Then do some research on the hardware ,whether it is new and powerful,so on.Dont forget to find its flaws so that you won't get a phone and regret it.Lastly check whether it has good rom support on XDA itself.Not all phones have custom roms,and support,don't think you can buy a lousy phone and just flash a custom rom,thats not the idea of getting a custom rom
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erm do u have any evidences to back up your statements?
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Evidence? I have previously owned an LG Optimus ME that was god awful, 600mhz processor, FRO-effin'-YO, 190mb internal, 175mb ram, and they were sending passer-bys flyers about it like a frakin' flagship!
It was super laggy.
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Evidence? I have previously owned an LG Optimus ME that was god awful, 600mhz processor, FRO-effin'-YO, 190mb internal, 175mb ram, and they were sending passer-bys flyers about it like a frakin' flagship!
It was super laggy.
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but not all models from same manufactures are the same, samsungs have good phones but at the same time the ace series sucks
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Xperia J stinks,adreno 200 is 2010 hardware.Its only armv6 processor,not even the basic armv7.Dont listen to this person's nonsense.Before getting a phone,do some research on it's hardware,which can be found @ gsmarena.com.Then do some research on the hardware ,whether it is new and powerful,so on.Dont forget to find its flaws so that you won't get a phone and regret it.Lastly check whether it has good rom support on XDA itself.Not all phones have custom roms,and support,don't think you can buy a lousy phone and just flash a custom rom,thats not the idea of getting a custom rom
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nonsense? thats why i stated that do some digging & research on it. i wonder did u read properly? we on earth r humans, not everybody knows everything & i learn from mistakes. u expect me to be a cyborg? u dont like to read things completely eh? being so sarcastic, did u read & understand the XDA rules? u can get banned. & a custom rom on a lousy phone MAY(i didn't say SURE WILL) be better than lousy phone on stock rom. i said J is good based on some things, it can support jelly bean, which sola & u definetely can't, yet under the same cpu frequency & ram. what u expect from a low budget phone anyway? a phone like J that can support jelly bean is considered awesome. j is even classified together with some better device instead of being together with sola, u & go in xda. at least j is worth rooting than sola & u like i stated previously. but i do agree of the hardware u mentioned. now, u can be kind enough to add some correct knowledge to help the beginners, or u can get lost somewhere if u dont like it here. its pretty easy.
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