I would really love to use a WP7 as my main phone. However I have 2 deal-making requirements:
1) Bluetooth DUN profile
I have a Mercedes Comand Online in my car which requires Bluetooth DUN capability, From what I've seen, even the Mango update won't address this? I assume there can't be any 3rd party apps available due to lack of APIs?
Even the Blackberry supports this functionality.
2) Wifi Tethering
For me, it is staggering how the WP7 doesn't support this and I haven't read anywhere in the Mango updates that WP7 will support wireless tethering. Again, is there any possibility that this will be possible?
Android and IOS allow these functionalities via jailbroken or unlocked software. For me, if WP7 is serious about making headway into the market, Microsoft need to cater for gaps in the market.
2) Wifi Tethering
Actually this will be available in Mango but as a hidden feature , Soon we will know how to enable it.
The first one is up to MS to make as nothing can be done to change any core functionality of this OS
Thanks, Wifi tethering sounds promising. Particularly if you can use it in stealth to stop carriers from charging you extra for tethering.
You can do this on IOS with Mi-wi or PDAnet.
As for the bluetooth issue, I just hope Microsoft get their act together but it doesn't sound like it will happen anytime soon! Do you know if Bluetooth PAN is / will be supported?
2) Wifi Tethering
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Yes, it's included into MANGO update.
But it need proper drivers with internal support;
HTC WP7F doesn't have such drivers for now.
It seems they built in such kind of support inside driver in HTC WP7S (Omega, Entitle) but there also used new BCM4330 seems. So it's not very backward compatible with BCM4329.
1) Bluetooth DUN profile
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There also some drivers was added in MANGO, but they are unused seems for now.
Worth noting that Bluetooth access is probably possible using native DLLs. The APIs are still there, and if you have a WinCE dev kit you can code against them.
Currently we can't use homebrew native DLLs in Mango, but Heathclif74 says he's got a way to fix that. This would mean you could run any code you wanted to, even in Mango.
I think you should add this app into settings (I'm going to do it myself later, but maybe it would be nice feature for everyone? )
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Wrong thread. Damn. It was intended for your multitask toggle app, GoodDayToDie
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Before I start, yes I did look around, and the best I found were unanswered questions, but if someone can link me to some answers I would much appreciate it.
Anyway my questions mostly deal with unlocking. Now I've heard about ChevronWP7, but, as far as I can tell, it's only for a jailbreak type of 'unlock' rather than the traditional carrier unlocking, is that correct?
If so, is there a free way to unlock phones to use on different carriers?
Also, if a phone is already carrier unlocked, will the lock return when syncing with a computer?
Finally, if I were to get a phone just for development, would I need to use it as a phone at all (meaning have a SIM card inserted), or could I just treat it like an iPhone's iPod Touch?
Thanks in advanced
ChevronWP7 unlocks a phone, so you can install applications from other sources than marketplace. For example, develop your own application, and install it on phone.
Official way: Pay 99$ for MS, to be able to do that.
Jefis said:
ChevronWP7 unlocks a phone, so you can install applications from other sources than marketplace. For example, develop your own application, and install it on phone.
Official way: Pay 99$ for MS, to be able to do that.
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Thanks, that's what I figured. But as a student, I get it free anyway. Do you know the answers to my other questions?
Also, if I were to get an HD2 and install Windows Phone 7 on that, would I be able to use the marketplace and develop applications on that?
To develop apps you dont need the phone just the SDK and the emulator.
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To develop apps you dont need the phone just the SDK and the emulator.
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I know, I actually have a few apps up already. But the emulator only goes so far, you don't get to see how your apps look in the marketplace and you don't get to try out competing apps. The main reason I want a device now is because I'm working on a game and the emulator doesn't have multi-touch capabilities and in general it can be sluggish
DrederickTatum said:
I know, I actually have a few apps up already. But the emulator only goes so far, you don't get to see how your apps look in the marketplace and you don't get to try out competing apps. The main reason I want a device now is because I'm working on a game and the emulator doesn't have multi-touch capabilities and in general it can be sluggish
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If you're saying the game performs sluggishly in the emulator, it's much more likely that you have a memory leak or performance problem with your game, assuming your computer isn't slow.
If you want the apps on the phone you're going to either need to use ChevronWP7 (which will stop working after this next patch although apparently Microsoft will release or allow some sort of homerbrew solution after that patch) or get the dev unlock. Unfortunately, if you're in the App Hub through DreamSpark, they don't check your ID (which is required to get an unlock) until you try to submit your first app. This means you either have to upload a dummy app (which counts against your 5 free submissions) or you have to build an app entirely based on the emulator.
In terms of carrier unlock, I don't believe there is a free solution, but I'm entirely unsure about that.
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If you're saying the game performs sluggishly in the emulator, it's much more likely that you have a memory leak or performance problem with your game, assuming your computer isn't slow.
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It runs okay, but not as smooth as when I run it natively in Windows. This one is just a board game, I ran a more complex game I was working on in the past and it also ran fullspeed in Windows but was quite sluggish in the emulator. I know there are differences in the way the platforms handle memory, but I'm a pretty careful coder, I'm pretty sure it's more to do with the fact that the whole Windows Phone 7 dev kit is still quite new.
Anyway, I'm still thinking of going with the HD2 option. Would I be able to register that as a dev phone? If not how about ChevronWP7?
i think it was suggested earlier but you register your windows live account as a dev account (to activiate requires you to submit an app). once that's done, the phone automatically unlocks and works as a dev phone. i still don't agree on using HD2 as the basis of your dev phone, but i understand your lack of finances.
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i think it was suggested earlier but you register your windows live account as a dev account (to activiate requires you to submit an app). once that's done, the phone automatically unlocks and works as a dev phone. i still don't agree on using HD2 as the basis of your dev phone, but i understand your lack of finances.
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I like the idea of getting an HD2 just because of it's versatility, I could put Android on it if I wanted to try developing for that platform, the only thing stopping me is the fact that WP7 for HD2 will probably hit a snag when 7.1 comes out and I'd be stuck on the emulator again.
Actually I could get a proper Windows Phone, I just don't like paying for data. I just want to run it on WiFi and use it like an iPod touch. That's why I wanted to know if the device works fine without a SIM card or will it not let you do anything until you insert one? Surely owners of a device could answer this question.
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I like the idea of getting an HD2 just because of it's versatility, I could put Android on it if I wanted to try developing for that platform, the only thing stopping me is the fact that WP7 for HD2 will probably hit a snag when 7.1 comes out and I'd be stuck on the emulator again.
Actually I could get a proper Windows Phone, I just don't like paying for data. I just want to run it on WiFi and use it like an iPod touch. That's why I wanted to know if the device works fine without a SIM card or will it not let you do anything until you insert one? Surely owners of a device could answer this question.
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yes it can be used wifi only.
Now I'm reading from some places that you need to be on 3G to install Apps from the marketplace, true?
Never had a data plan as we have city wide wifi and i have all the apps I want
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Never had a data plan as we have city wide wifi and i have all the apps I want
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Out of curiosity, what phones are you guys using?
Edit: Doh, just saw the Venue in your signature. Has T-Mobile ever bothered you about not having data?
Not once, they can't tell... I have an HD7, a venue pro, 2 focus' one quantum, and one surround. I'm a major fan
Does anyone know why exactly this doesn't work post mango. I have read it's because of the interop flag, but TouchXplorer still works. So is it just a matter of recompiling it or will we have to wait for another program that can access the themes and set sounds to anything?
Its the interaction of the program with the system and registry and would require recoding once schaps knows how to integrate it. It is not as simple as changing a line. Cheers
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I figured as much. Best we can do is wait then.
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Its the interaction of the program with the system and registry
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It's not the "interaction"... The main reason is: Mango beta (and so on!) disables support of unsigned COM-bridge back door. So, the only manufacturer's signed dll's are supported now (but not mix of homebrew/different manufacturers etc.) And you should have at least a jailbraked version of WP7 (developer's unlock is not enough!).
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It's not the "interaction"... The main reason is: Mango beta (and so on!) disables support of unsigned COM-bridge back door. So, the only manufacturer's signed dll's are supported now (but not mix of homebrew/different manufacturers etc.) And you should have at least a jailbraked version of WP7 (developer's unlock is not enough!).
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which means the interaction between app and os is broken
Oh man, i had fun with this little piece of software in school with my old sony erricsson c510. my friend and me used to link our phones, hide it behind the board and activate the music with the other one xD. the teacher didnt knew what was goin on ^^
anyways, bt-info was a fun program and i searched the web for an android version of this. i alao tried to convert the jar file into an apk file. it worked but the software was incompatible. can anyone make it work on my samsung galaxy s2?
Would be awesome....
lol i remember that app back in the times... but it worked only with a few target phones, I remember always failing against Symbians, working on some LG and SE ( AT standard commands huh?).
Anyway, in my free time I'm playing with some Android scripting and I could sort something like this... you got any request for features ?
As of now I got a "talk server"... just run on the phone, connect to its IP from anywhere else (another phone, iphone, ipad, pc...) type something and the phone will say it you could prank as well with that, but there could be added other cool functions...
Think that could be done via bluetooth too, though haven't tried much the bt libs..
Let me know if that could interest you
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lol i remember that app back in the times... but it worked only with a few target phones, I remember always failing against Symbians, working on some LG and SE ( AT standard commands huh?).
Anyway, in my free time I'm playing with some Android scripting and I could sort something like this... you got any request for features ?
As of now I got a "talk server"... just run on the phone, connect to its IP from anywhere else (another phone, iphone, ipad, pc...) type something and the phone will say it you could prank as well with that, but there could be added other cool functions...
Think that could be done via bluetooth too, though haven't tried much the bt libs..
Let me know if that could interest you
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It would be awesome if you could it even get to work! it crashes on my phone when i try to connect! i used a jar to apk converter ..... maybe not the best idea
the app is/was great just the way it worked! maybe wifi support... and dissable the code request-thingy when i try to connect to a phone - but i think that would be iligal...
but yeah ... if you can get it to work, you could sell it on the market! or publish it anywere else! im not the only one whos searching for that app working on android!
See, targeting new generation phones with that old bluetooth app wont be of any effect.... will just work on old ones.
Removing the "code thing" you say it's the pairing procedure of bluetooth, the standard authentication feature of bt, actually you can't get around it, and though it would be illegal, it would get you big money if you ever find how to
That app used pseudo-standard AT commands through the bluetooth modem interface of the phone, and that supposedly to issue an action on the phone (like push/pull contacts,sms,calendars, raise volume, set alarm....) but that was not implemented in all phones so most commands failed, but virtually could work with any target as long as it was bt enabled and paired.
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Not worth porting bt-info. So, as it must be build from scratch, you can suggest some feature request
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See, targeting new generation phones with that old bluetooth app wont be of any effect.... will just work on old ones.
Removing the "code thing" you say it's the pairing procedure of bluetooth, the standard authentication feature of bt, actually you can't get around it, and though it would be illegal, it would get you big money if you ever find how to
That app used pseudo-standard AT commands through the bluetooth modem interface of the phone, and that supposedly to issue an action on the phone (like push/pull contacts,sms,calendars, raise volume, set alarm....) but that was not implemented in all phones so most commands failed, but virtually could work with any target as long as it was bt enabled and paired.
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Not worth porting bt-info. So, as it must be build from scratch, you can suggest some feature request
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would be nice if someone could 'rebuild' that app on android bases... hacking the bluetooth 'password-thingy'™© isnt a big deal! the app worked great without it!
My question: is it POSSIBLE to make that app for android with all the functions that it has? and make it work with android-> symbian and android -> android?
Man I've been looking and wanting this for my phone forever.
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Q: is it POSSIBLE to make that app for android with all the functions that it has and make it work with android-> symbian and android -> android?
A: Symbians hardly support AT commands, you can try yourself using old bt.info or any other AT enabled shell to issue a command to a Symbian, I had no luck in the past. Android to android I dont know if it could be done natively (client on one phone, no server in the other) but it surely might be done with an app. To get a 100% compatibility there should be a client or a server installer in BOTH phones, UNLESS you find some AT command that would run on all (hard, as most vendors implement them differently).
I found this lil app that can give you an example, it's called "AT COMMAND TOOL" (google -> "sd.at.c8600"). It says it has presets for Huaweii phones, but that's the only supported. Anyway, looks like you can issue any command, but you have to find out WHICH one works with other phones !!
Google "at command list" and get the idea...
I haven't tested it, but looks similar to what you're looking for.
I remember using
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AT+CNUM
to get the phone number via BT... that could come handy in certain situations
So here is my request and pleed:
Please create anyone an app which is possible to change the WP7 Device into a wifistick,so that you can connect your pc through your Phone to your wifi,this would be absolutely great,and if it is not possible to create an app for me and all the guy´s who have requests for this missing feature because of time,or other reasons than impossibility then please tell me anyone of you how the code must work,which api´s and so on i´ll need so that i´ll be able to create such´n app by myself,because i´ve visualstudio and can do some programming
thx for any answer
What Phone do you have ? Is it unlocked ?
The app "Mango Webserver" (in dev & hacking sub-forum) can already kind-of do this, because you can uload files using your web browser, then download them later on another computer.
If you want to create an app that is dedicated to the purpose, the first questions would be how do you want the PC to see the phone (using a browser like Mango Webserver app, or using a dedicated program, or what) and do you want this to be a marketplace app, or is using unofficial APIs OK?
So i have an unlocked Omnia 7(fullyunlock + interop(it is really interopunlocked believe me,don´t ask)) ,the way i want to use it is like a wifistick/modem or so,if it is unofficial or not therefore doesn´t interest me,but i thought that it eventually would be able to get this feature for more devices,so that it would have some more attention as only for samsung devices
so thx again for any answer
Hmm sorry, I misinterpreted your request. You want to use the phone as a WiFi network interface for the computer. ("wifistick" doesn't mean anything to me; never heard the term before.)
I don't currently know of a way to do that. You can use your phone to connect the PC to the Internet (using wired tethering), but that just turns the phone into a cellular modem. To do what you're asking, you'd need to either bridge the WiFi and ethernet-over-USB connections, or you'd need to set up Internet connection sharing between the WiFi and USB (like the official "Internet sharing" feature, except that one is between the cellular radio and the WiFi).
Yeah thats what i mean,but i think it must be possible anyway,because for wm devices that was available and also for androidphones such a function is available,why shouldn´t it work with wp7 devices?
Oh, it's possible. You'd need to use native code and probably need to have more permissions than a normal app allows, though. Just because an OS *can* do something doesn't mean that the software to do it is available.
I already listed the two most reasonable approaches to doing it. I'm not sure if WP7 supports connection bridging, so the first might not be possible. The second certainly is, though.
Has anyone tried a HID keyboard? i have read in many places that Android phones support only SPP. But someone told that it was only till Froyo. I dunno whether HID is hardware specific feature or just a part of the driver. If its just the driver, then gb and ics should have it.
Also theres this app to make bluetooth keyboards work https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.mybesttools.btkbservice
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Android has support for HID devices but is not able to connect bluetooth keyboard devices correctly (yet).
This service automates the connection to your keyboard.
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I'll be without a laptop for almost 10 months (until affordable win 8 touchscreen laptops are released here). So, i need to do some serious typing, like long emails, chat and blogging (and posting on XDA) from my phone. Swype is the best virtual keyboard for me, but that is nothing compared to a physical one. On Omegle, the other person will disconnect even before u have finished typing "hi".
If our phone can support HID keyboards, can u suggest me one?
O1 supports HID bought a external from Walmart works BT says HID device connected worth the buy.
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Which os are u using? And did it connect straightaway or u had to install some app?