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UPDATE: ihtfp69 ordered his Thunderbolt last night. now what?

UPDATE: ihtfp69 ordered his Thunderbolt last night. Thanks to all who have donated!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1134592
i made a contribution, albeit small and now just wondering what might be coming to XDA now that ihtfp69 has his TB. anyone have any info on the latest greatest?
thanks
mark

markkal123 said:
UPDATE: ihtfp69 ordered his Thunderbolt last night, now just wondering what might be coming to XDA now that ihtfp69 has his TB.
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Nothing, he's leaving XDA but he will be on the BAMF forums from what I've read.

Any link to bamf forum? I tried Google but no luck.
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teambamf.net

I said this in the Inc forums, I don't know what's making him leave here to go to some dinky forum.

It's the new cool kid hang out, duh

Maybe he, like others, has grown tired of the attitudes here. Xda is not the end all be all of forums, nor is it the entire android community. Perhaps he felt it was more conductive to the development of his roms to move to a forum where they do not allow things to be named after drugs and heinous crimes while banning people over mentioning god.
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I find it so ironic when ppl talked smack about one dev "taking his toys (roms) & leaving the playground" and then another dev left xda with a device that was obtained with the help of xda donations. Sure, once you buy something you can do what you want with it, but that is quite literally "taking your toys & leaving the playground". I would have been so pissed if I had contributed to that.
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sublimaze said:
I find it so ironic when ppl talked smack about one dev "taking his toys (roms) & leaving the playground" and then another dev left xda with a device that was obtained with the help of xda donations. Sure, once you buy something you can do what you want with it, but that is quite literally "taking your toys & leaving the playground". I would have been so pissed if I had contributed to that.
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Was it done so that he could dev for the thunderbolt or dev strictly for Xda. If the first, well he is doing that, simply on a site he has more control over
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Just cause they left xda does not mean they stopped their work, is it oh so difficult to subscribe to their private forum? Or does it have to do with the fact most of the people here feel they are entitled to have it the way they want it or not at all, our are you just that lazy? Dam 1500 people havd followed them already, just like chingy had every right to do what he did, just because you want it your way doesn't mean you are gonna get it.
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Just cause they left xda does not mean they stopped their work, is it oh so difficult to subscribe to their private forum? Or does it have to do with the fact most of the people here feel they are entitled to have it the way they want it or not at all, our are you just that lazy? Dam 1500 people havd followed them already, just like chingy had every right to do what he did, just because you want it your way doesn't mean you are gonna get it.
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As I said, once you buy something it's yours to do what you want with. Yes, you can find the dev elsewhere, and one can only assume he will continue developing for a device that was at least partially funded with donation money. But it's the principle of it all. Donations to devs *after* a software project has been released is one thing. Donations to a dev with the stated purpose of obtaining a device -- and the implied expectation of developing for the donating user base -- is quite a different matter. Maybe I'm the only one who sees it this way, but if I had donated to help buy a phone for someone & they left that forum, I would feel used & abandoned, and proly a little resentful.
Just sayin'
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Have friend ask XDA for money. Get money. Leave XDA.... Profit.

psufan5 said:
Have friend ask XDA for money. Get money. Leave XDA.... Profit.
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This is a bit ridiculous. Where in the bounty thread did it say all ROMs/mods you develop for the Thunderbolt are to be exclusively released on XDA?
He is still working and if you are running a sense ROM right now then you are probably using at least one of his mods right now.
Just wait a bit and see what he has in store, and chill out about where the files will be released.
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scuccia said:
This is a bit ridiculous. Where in the bounty thread did it say all ROMs/mods you develop for the Thunderbolt are to be exclusively released on XDA?
He is still working and if you are running a sense ROM right now then you are probably using at least one of his mods right now.
Just wait a bit and see what he has in store, and chill out about where the files will be released.
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Generally when you advertise on a website for donations, you give that website the benefit of the doubt with your release/loyalty.
But no, just ask for donations through a proxy then leave the site.

Which themes work with Humble?

I like these blue mist ones and all these other cool ones I keep seeing for gummycharged, will these work with humble?

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I like these blue mist ones and all these other cool ones I keep seeing for gummycharged, will these work with humble?
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maybe, maybe not...if humble was/is using gummy frameworks and apps, then probably

It doesnt hurt to try, just backup first, you have nothing to worry about. Worst comes to worst you get force close loop or bootloop.

dapperdanman55 said:
I like these blue mist ones and all these other cool ones I keep seeing for gummycharged, will these work with humble?
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People tell me it works but gummy and humble use different apps. So while the framework is the same. You will end up having to delete some of the apps I themed for gummy make sure you back up first.....
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Why on earth would you use humble. Its STOLEN!!! Lets be clear danalo1979 is NOT a developer!!! He stole work from a real developer, insulted him, his team and his work over multiple venues. His apology was an attempt to save face, NOT make amends as he did not contact any member of team gummy to apologize. He never once apologized for the personal insults directed at kejar31. Humble is a joke. Wake up people, start paying attention to what you are putting on your $600 hand computer that you sometimes make phone calls with.
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gunnermike said:
Why on earth would you use humble. Its STOLEN!!! Lets be clear danalo1979 is NOT a developer!!! He stole work from a real developer, insulted him, his team and his work over multiple venues. His apology was an attempt to save face, NOT make amends as he did not contact any member of team gummy to apologize. He never once apologized for the personal insults directed at kejar31. Humble is a joke. Wake up people, start paying attention to what you are putting on your $600 hand computer that you sometimes make phone calls with.
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Dude seriously just drop posting this crap in every thread that mentions Humble. If someone wants to use Humble, let them. Your life ain't gonna end over it.

gunnermike said:
that you sometimes make phone calls with.
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Bahahaha.
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gunnermike said:
Why on earth would you use humble. Its STOLEN!!! Lets be clear danalo1979 is NOT a developer!!! He stole work from a real developer, insulted him, his team and his work over multiple venues. His apology was an attempt to save face, NOT make amends as he did not contact any member of team gummy to apologize. He never once apologized for the personal insults directed at kejar31. Humble is a joke. Wake up people, start paying attention to what you are putting on your $600 hand computer that you sometimes make phone calls with.
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I had promised a couple people I would port a few themes to humble and while I dont share in gunners contempt for danelo I have to agree with him. Humble is a total kang, Top to bottom and left to right.
I didnt know anything about kejars and danelo's rift until kejar publicly responded to danelo's apology. If only half of what kejar said is true then I have lost respect for danelo. As I suspect most themers, mods and devs have. As I said I dont hate danelo and respect can be earned back.
Unfortunatly I cannot support danelo's rom at this time. My themes will only be made for gummy and eclipse(Cause nitro is da man). Now while I will not support humble specifically, my themes should work with it. Hopefully this all blows over and peace reins supreme but until danelo removes the gummy base and mods his own rom I dont think it will.
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I don't mind Danalo or Humble. It's nice having more ROMs but Danalo totally ripped Gummy and labeled it as his own, he calls it a "low power ROM" which as Kejar has showed us is complete BS. They all receive the same battery life if you flash correctly. Still, I like the fact that there are more ROMs out there since we all know this phone needs it.
Anyways, some themes will work, some won't. Since Humble is pretty much GC a lot of them should work but again, some will work and some won't. Just use Titanium and backup all your apps/system data so you can restore everything if you have any problems. If a theme goes wrong and it doesn't cause boot looping and is just a little buggy just reboot into CWM and reflash your Humble.zip and it will remove the theme. It will also most likely reset your home pages so beware.

I'm on kejars side all the way and agree with every word. I'm just tired of seeing gunnermike post in every thread raging about it. There's a thread in the general section we can all vent our thoughts in about it, wouldn't it be best to keep the drama there?
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yutzybrian said:
I'm on kejars side all the way and agree with every word. I'm just tired of seeing gunnermike post in every thread raging about it. There's a thread in the general section we can all vent our thoughts in about it, wouldn't it be best to keep the drama there?
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Should I go bump it?
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yutzybrian said:
I'm on kejars side all the way and agree with every word. I'm just tired of seeing gunnermike post in every thread raging about it. There's a thread in the general section we can all vent our thoughts in about it, wouldn't it be best to keep the drama there?
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yeah. your probably right. I just have a big mouth. I feel like everyone is entitled to my opinion... Lol.
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gunnermike said:
yeah. your probably right. I just have a big mouth. I feel like everyone is entitled to my opinion... Lol.
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Haha we've all read your opinion ... several times.
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kvswim said:
Haha we've all read your opinion ... several times.
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are you sure??? i could post it again if you missed it....
i wouldnt want any one to NOT know what my opinion is.

gunnermike said:
are you sure??? i could post it again if you missed it....
i wouldnt want any one to NOT know what my opinion is.
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I didn't hear it lol
/troll
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Darkslide rom thread pulled?

Seems the Darkslide rom thread has been pulled. Maybe because of some weird XDA rule, but more likely all the Gummy homer's are behind it and/or Kejar complained again. Explanation please, mods...

Im not sure why it was pulled either but would like to know why..... I was under the impression this was a open discussion site..
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When I posted it on rootzwiki they pulled it within minutes
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chrisp304 said:
Seems the Darkslide rom thread has been pulled. Maybe because of some weird XDA rule, but more likely all the Gummy homer's are behind it and/or Kejar complained again. Explanation please, mods...
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What are you talking about? Gummy nor Kejar had anything to do with it. Here's a better idea. Ask the Dev's why they requested it removed. Retard. What makes your post even worse. Kejar doesn't even come to XDA anymore. Why would he care what gets posted here? Your lucky Gummy gets posted here, his original plan was to keep it off this forum.
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Easy there hoss, just speculating. You obviously have some inside info about the dev's requesting to pull it, please enlighten us (or do you mean the Gummy dev's, lol). Nice signature homer.

chrisp304 said:
Easy there hoss, just speculating. You obviously have some inside info about the dev's requesting to pull it, please enlighten us (or do you mean the Gummy dev's, lol). Nice signature homer.
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I think he means bbcrackman because it got pulled from rootz too
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Site being sensored
I know why it was pulled because if it shows a link that they do not approve of, they will have it pulled just like the thread I started on the voodoo kernel that was on another site. It appears that the site is not about what maybe the best out there for this phone etc but who wants to control what content. It is a sad day when an open discussion can not occur on what others may be seeing, using or finding. Watch out because freedom of speach may not be tolerated. I have sent Emails on these issues. Followup if you want the insanity stopped. I am sure this will also be pulled. Sorry guys.
norm883

Danzanzio said:
I think he means bbcrackman because it got pulled from rootz too
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To me, that just makes it more apparent that
gummyheads are behind the censorship.
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WTF!!!! ima start downloading everything the day it comes out so when this happens, and i havent gotten around to trying it out.. i still can... who is cool enough to put it up for a DL and PM me a link
EDIT: one more thing even if Kejar and gummy had this pulled(which if they did im sure they would tell us) im certain they had good reason for doing so.. You gotta give those guys mad respect as we wouldn't b where we are today with out whom??? KEJAR!! not to mention he gave JT1134 a working charge!! just to FWD development!! hello

Sorry don't want to start a war.
Please check you Private Messages.
norm883
ace5198 said:
WTF!!!! ima start downloading everything the day it comes out so when this happens, and i havent gotten around to trying it out.. i still can... who is cool enough to put it up for a DL and PM me a link
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It's called exclusivity, they are wanting to keep the ROM exclusive on their forums. It's a way of gaining hits. Most may not have noticed, but BBCrackman is the founder of the forums his ROM is posted on. Granted, the post linked to his, but he's the only one who knows the real reason it was pulled. As far as blaming Kejar, do yourself a favor and shove your pie hole farther up Denalo's poop shoot fan boi.
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Rythmyc said:
It's called exclusivity, they are wanting to keep the ROM exclusive on their forums. It's a way of gaining hits. Most may not have noticed, but BBCrackman is the founder of the forums his ROM is posted on.
Edit: one more thought, if Darkslide was slow, glitchy or bad on battery, I bet the thread would still be there.
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What, lol, you serious? I think your logic (or lack there of) is flawed. It was just a link on xda. Having an external link to their rom would only get them more hits and make the rom more known (which obviously is why the thread was pulled). Nice try homer.
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everyone needs to calm down, fact of the matter is that it was pulled and we don't know why google is your friend, its not that hard to find on My Droid World or wherever they posted it or if you guys ask nicely someone can pm you a link... whoever pulled it had their reasons and its done now so let's get over it

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What, lol, you serious? I think your logic (or lack there of) is flawed. It was just a link on xda. Having an external link to their rom would only get them more hits and make the rom more known (which obviously is why the thread was pulled). Nice try homer.
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Comprehension wasn't a strong point of yours was it. Re-read what I posted, read it again just to be sure. For good measure, tell your mom to read it to you. Then, and maybe then, you'll understand what I said.
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Rythmyc said:
Comprehension wasn't a strong point of yours was it. Re-read what I posted, read it again just to be sure. For good measure, tell your mom to read it to you. Then, and maybe then, you'll understand what I said.
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Ok, mom read it to me, so I now I comprehend a little better. Now I see you not only have a failed sense of logic, you may be a bit challenged as well.
BTW, I seen your post on Rootzwiki chewing someone else out for saying Gummycharged is getting a little dusty. HOMER!

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Ok, mom read it to me, so I now I comprehend a little better. Now I see you not only have a failed sense of logic, you may be a bit challenged as well.
BTW, I seen your post on Rootzwiki chewing someone else out for saying Gummycharged is getting a little dusty. HOMER!
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Chewing someone out because someone said it was dusty? Link, or it didn't happen. The only time I "chew someone out" is when they talk about dev's not updating fast enough. Regardless if it's Gummy or not. Post more lies, fan boi.
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fan boi.
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Pot calling the kettle black?
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Rythmyc said:
Chewing someone out because someone said it was dusty? Link, or it didn't happen. The only time I "chew someone out" is when they talk about dev's not updating fast enough. Regardless if it's Gummy or not. Post more lies, fan boi.
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http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?6081-Bionic-Charge
post #5 friend.
Get off the Gummy bandwagon and get on the Charge bandwagon. Gummy is a good rom and I've never said it wasn't. I do however think that Darkslide is the best rom out at the moment. Just seems like all the negative comments about Darkslide came from poster's with "Gummycharged" in their signatures, which, along with the fact it was pulled makes the Gummy crowd as a whole seem petty and childish.

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Pot calling the kettle black?
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You make that statement because of my sig? I use Gummy and proudly support the team that develops it. However you won't find me accusing Danalo or imnuts of getting the DarkCharge TQ thread removed. Large difference.
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http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?6081-Bionic-Charge
post #5 friend.
Get off the Gummy bandwagon and get on the Charge bandwagon. Gummy is a good rom and I've never said it wasn't. I do however think that Darkslide is the best rom out at the moment. Just seems like all the negative comments about Darkslide came from poster's with "Gummycharged" in their signatures, which, along with the fact it was pulled makes the Gummy crowd as a whole seem petty and childish.
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Um, that thread is directed at ALL devs. Not just Gummy. Yet again your comprehension skills are lacking.
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Being a crybaby. Not seeking to learn.

Curious about why the Thunderbolt has at least a beta miui port and we're still stuck. I thought it was because we have no RIL in source for the 4G radio, so is that something they've been leaked/reverse engineered and we haven't?
To be upfront: By asking this question I AM indeed implying that the charge devs suck, I didn't search before posting, I expect ICS ported tomorrow, and that I believe I deserve to be served breakfast in bed. Thank you.
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Curious about why the Thunderbolt has at least a beta miui port and we're still stuck. I thought it was because we have no RIL in source for the 4G radio, so is that something they've been leaked/reverse engineered and we haven't?
To be upfront: By asking this question I AM indeed implying that the charge devs suck, I didn't search before posting, I expect ICS ported tomorrow, and that I believe I deserve to be served breakfast in bed. Thank you.
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Sorry but this made me lol.

This is awesome
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We clearly need to organize an OCCUPY DEVELOPERS organization and set up a tent city on the front lawns of these developers. Maybe then they'll realize that we want results.
99% of us aren't given the gifts of computer programming, and the 1% that do think they can just rule the XDA community with an iron fist.
We are the 99% who don't know what ADB is or how to use it. We disagree that the developers should have all the power. I wouldn't recognize linux of it politely introduced itself with a handshake and a smile. ODIN package... What is that? We refuse to read a single post in the thread before we complain and ask a question that had clearly been answered as recently as ten seconds ago because the world is all about us. And if a developer overlooks that one meaningless feature that I alone liked, it's my right to spam his thread with that demand instead of figuring it out for myself.
We can only bring about change by organizing and living in a shanty-town. And if the MODS at XDA use pepper-ban spray and move threads it will only make our cause stronger.
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Post your tweets here! #occupyxdadevelopers
Has anyone seen John Connor?

Only the power of the people could make these results happen so quickly. Quitting my job today and buying a tent and some Starbucks.
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Awesome.
Sent from my mobile office.

At first, I thought this thread was serious.
Then, I lol'd.
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kvswim said:
At first, I thought this thread was serious.
Then, I lol'd.
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Same here. I thought maybe a mod edited the thread title at first, until I read all the replies LOL!

I think we should organize an OCCUPY MIUI movement and force them into dev'ing for our phone too. That way we can overtake their source code and all will be well in the Charge world!
lawls.

what about setting up some sort of bounty for the devs to port cm7 and/or miui...

bfitzpatrickd2d said:
what about setting up some sort of bounty for the devs to port cm7 and/or miui...
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I'm broke and would definitely give $20 to the dev / team that gets cm7 fully working on this phone.

Really guys?

Ya know. Reading all of these threads about ics and what not I've noticed how many people complain about an early port having issues and what not and that development is dead. Guys seriously just calm down and realize we may not have alot of developers but quality over quantity right? Jt and imnuts are probably the best developers the fascinate has seen. So calm down and let them work. They do this in there spare time. Contribute or shudddup
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Really guy? This needed its own thread? Really? Guy?
fyi, this is why I prefer rootzwiki.

That's why you replied here right ..lol
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To be fair a lot of the whiners and complaints came before the release of the jt's ics and jt's breakthrough with the kernel. Most folks don't read around enough to know what's going on. Just skim through the topics and see or don't see something then make assumptions based on that. Best practice is to refrain from complaining one way or another. Be patient.

Well true
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mrtruckincowboy said:
That's why you replied here right ..lol
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I do read and post on both. I just have noticed that the level of maturity/professionalism is somewhat elevated over there.
I try and help here when I can as this seems to be a starting point for people new to android development.
I thought I'd be funny and point out the redundancy of a new thread scolding others for posting unnecessarily.

nowens0520 said:
I do read and post on both. I just have noticed that the level of maturity/professionalism is somewhat elevated over there.
I try and help here when I can as this seems to be a starting point for people new to android development.
I thought I'd be funny and point out the redundancy of a new thread scolding others for posting unnecessarily.
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You're kidding right? Rootzwiki for Droid charge is an asylum. They close down posts all the time for whining. How many times was the CM7 thread closed over there?
I think it has more to do with Droid charge owners than the forum. Rootzwiki and XDA for Touchpad, Moto Bionic, Fascinate are all very sane when i used them. They are well kept and organized. I just bought the RAZR and visited droidrzr.com, razrforums.com, xda and rootzwiki, all provide information without ranting.
I think it's just that people are frustrated with the Charge phone. It's just not a great phone. On rootzwiki, developers have been running away from this phone, even selling off the phones donated to them to develop on and not producing a ROM. That is partly why i got frustrated with the phone as well. I've had crap phones in the past with hardware limitation issues that were overcome by good custom ROMS. That just hasn't happened with the Charge and I think we need to remember that developers don't do this for a living, but for fun. If they don't like the phone, they will move on to things that interest them more.
Hopefully JT's CM9 ROM will be the beggining of normalization to this phone and i wish it great success after a shaky start.

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It's just not a great phone.
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I think it's a great phone, it has just gotten poor support from Samsung and Verizon which created major hurdles for developers.

The Charge is plauged with one problem...lack of quality control on the hardware manufacturer end. I've experienced it firsthand when I had Samsung swap out some crappy components for good ones.
I really don't see a better phone (overall) for what I deem important, than the Charge on Verizon. There is only one phone that I feel beats the Charge hands down and that's the GS2.
I forgot where I was going with this so I'll sum it up with...
The Charge is great.
I guess I've been lucky with mine, barring two component swaps.
I hope the Giants beat Green Bay...
And seltzer is bad for your bones.
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Rominucka said:
I hope the Giants beat Green Bay...
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Bite your tongue....

Rominucka said:
I hope the Giants beat Green Bay...
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Keep dreaming
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orateam said:
You're kidding right? Rootzwiki for Droid charge is an asylum. They close down posts all the time for whining. How many times was the CM7 thread closed over there?
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That's the point I was making... they keep the kids and idiots in line. Not with useless extra threads but with actual moderating.

O hope green bay falls too and tebow haha seeing as that I'm a Steelers fan
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HTCluva said:
O hope green bay falls too and tebow haha seeing as that I'm a Steelers fan
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Were gonna win two years in a row.
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Ya know. You guys have the team and as much as I hate to say it and I respect that you probably will. As long as you beat the ravens if the go to they Superbowl I will be happy
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Trolling on the droid charge? Not cool. Trolling on our blessed ICS rom from JT pathetic. please jus pick a rom of your flavor and stop complaining. If you don't like your charge? Just send them to me lol.

nowens0520 said:
I do read and post on both. I just have noticed that the level of maturity/professionalism is somewhat elevated over there.
I try and help here when I can as this seems to be a starting point for people new to android development.
I thought I'd be funny and point out the redundancy of a new thread scolding others for posting unnecessarily.
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That's the point I was making... they keep the kids and idiots in line. Not with useless extra threads but with actual moderating.
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The way this thread deviated into football. I stand corrected.

I agree man
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