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N64 Emulator gone from market?

It appears the n64 Emulator was pulled from the market. Anybody know why? flashed cm7 n26 last night and cant restore. market says requested item not found.

yup i flashed a new rom and tried to redownload it and couldnt find it. there goes 6 bucks.

xRepinsSporx said:
yup i flashed a new rom and tried to redownload it and couldnt find it. there goes 6 bucks.
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Yeah it's too bad that the Market is the only place to get apps, huh...

You can find the emulator on 4shared.com, who pays for apps anymore? Lol
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I emailed the dev and this was his response
A great number of users are complaining about the compatibility and running performance. Considering the bad ratings, I temporarily unpublished it. I am doing a rewrite of some of the core modules. Don't worry, N64oid will be back much better in 1-2 months.
Thanks for the understanding! I won't let people down

Ya people are retarded. Brand new app and they expect it to be flawless. Hate complainers. I actually did download I from a sharing site first but was impressed and decided to buy it. Plus 15 min refund window basicly makes it impossible to try it out. I never had problems with the app on my xoom of evo. I play it whenever I can at work
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wow dose that mean the people that bought it will receive the new version free? just sayin...

2nd that
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Ryjabo said:
Yeah it's too bad that the Market is the only place to get apps, huh...
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have you tried amazonappstore... there should be a app in the market place for that. if not try amazon.com

jonlee83 said:
have you tried amazonappstore... there should be a app in the market place for that. if not try amazon.com
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I don't think he was serious but the amazon app store is nice.

I don't blame him for doing this. People were all bent out of shape that it was $6 and he didn't have every rom working flawlessly. They rate bombed his app in the market.
The truth is that even if you only had 3 games working well, that should be worth your $6.
Oh well, now because everyone cried we can sit here with the app in it's current version, and wait 2 months for him to release a finished product instead of having something useable with updates all along the way.

Unrelated, but I just got a notice from google saying that one of my apps (a space invaders emulator) has been removed due to copyright infringement, even though it includes no roms.

I wonder why people complain about it about its sluggishness.
I mean, its not the developers fault that the people don't buy high-end phones.
They expect a 3D emulator to work on a 600mhz proccessor?
I mean, too many apps on ur phone also makes it slow.
Why bother leaving a low rating when its not the developers fault. The emulator runs flawlessly on the Evo, nexus s... (1 ghz+)
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jonlee83 said:
have you tried amazonappstore... there should be a app in the market place for that. if not try amazon.com
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I was being sarcastic.

koshinobi said:
You can find the emulator on 4shared.com, who pays for apps anymore? Lol
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Dude are you seriously that cheap! Android apps are most of the time a dollar maybe two. The ones that are more are usually well worth it. Six dollars for something that lets you play N64 games anywhere you go is cheap, and you know you didn't pay for any of the 1000 games you have to play for it. Plus With the huge number of free apps, paying a dollar for the one out of every twenty apps is crazy cheap.
Sorry for the rant, but stealing a android app is like stealing from a guy with a morgage and a family vs a movie is coming out of a mega corporations pocket. Most of the Developers in the market and on here make all this awesome stuff because they like too, with the added side effect of making money. Support the developers so they will keep make cool stuff!

Drewmungus said:
Dude are you seriously that cheap! Android apps are most of the time a dollar maybe two. The ones that are more are usually well worth it. Six dollars for something that lets you play N64 games anywhere you go is cheap, and you know you didn't pay for any of the 1000 games you have to play for it. Plus With the huge number of free apps, paying a dollar for the one out of every twenty apps is crazy cheap.
Sorry for the rant, but stealing a android app is like stealing from a guy with a morgage and a family vs a movie is coming out of a mega corporations pocket. Most of the Developers in the market and on here make all this awesome stuff because they like too, with the added side effect of making money. Support the developers so they will keep make cool stuff!
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I wouldn't even worry about that guy. He'll probably need the Android Market Security Tool eventually with that kind of attitude.

Please don't pirate these apps...it only demoralizes the devs that work hard to make profit from it. Stolen copies = less updates.

Overstew said:
Please don't pirate these apps...it only demoralizes the devs that work hard to make profit from it. Stolen copies = less updates.
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If they enter into the app development world, they've got to know/expect that people will pirate their apps. It's inevitable. If they get butthurt about it and stop updating their apps because of that, then they probably don't have what it takes to compete in this arena.
Having said that... I've paid for the apps that are on my phone.

Eternal Legacy HD

I just discovered the existence of this game. where is it on the Market? It doesn't seem to be searchable with the term "Eternal Legacy". Gameloft's own website seems to require that one enters a service provider.
With the Transformer being an WiFi only device it doesn't have a service provider.
does anyone know how to get this game working on the transformer?

I'll go ahead and cover this. Gameloft is protesting the Android Market place. As such, they pulled all apps from the market and decided to sell them via their own means. The apps are available on their website via a moronic text system that more often than not, fails. None of the games are currently built for tablets, honeycomb or tegra optimized. So, unfortunately, until Gameloft offers the games on the site as such, you are SOL.
They're idiots...thats all I have to say.

blaine.hale said:
I'll go ahead and cover this. Gameloft is protesting the Android Market place. As such, they pulled all apps from the market and decided to sell them via their own means. The apps are available on their website via a moronic text system that more often than not, fails. None of the games are currently built for tablets, honeycomb or tegra optimized. So, unfortunately, until Gameloft offers the games on the site as such, you are SOL.
They're idiots...thats all I have to say.
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And I learned something new today, thanks blaine.
So why are they protesting the market?
~DC

The reason, as far as I know, is unannounced. Weird move considering it's the largest phone platform currently on the market. Sure, they're not paying the google fee for apps but I think they lost the vast majority of sales by not being a presence on the market and making it difficult to get their product.
Time will tell

P.S. this game doesn't support tegra2 and will not run on the transformer, even if you find ways of installing it.
Gameloft really does have some of the best games ever, but they suck for not being in the market. And I wish they would start supporting tegra2 I really want to play this game on my tablet!

wonder who their marketing genius is behind this decision....personally will only buy games through the market...it's buggy at times but overall works well. Guess they're trying to build demand for the product. Probably some young hipsters trying to buck the man.

Gameloft has a store set up for the Xoom:
http://wapshop.gameloft.com/php5/us...80f5f752d267d656&from=ADID-149339&promo=bogof
And the Acer Iconia:
http://wapshop.gameloft.com/php5/us...&sv5551=e1d30053e0e9f082d4e0&from=ADID-147084
And I have read that the games for the LG P990 Optimus 2x will work:
http://wapshop.gameloft.com/php5/us...&sv5551=81c380d350b9d085c7b8&from=ADID-147084
I am debating buying the Asphalt 6 version for either Xoom or Iconia myself as I have read that they will work through some googling. If anyone is willing to spend the $5 to try them while I am talking myself into being a guinea pig at least they have the buy one get one deal going on. Asphalt 6 and NOVA for $5? Yes please.

krighton said:
wonder who their marketing genius is behind this decision....personally will only buy games through the market...it's buggy at times but overall works well. Guess they're trying to build demand for the product. Probably some young hipsters trying to buck the man.
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Then why would you want to support the man?
The only reason why the Market exists is because there are dullards who can't Google the software websites for themselves.
The Market never existed in Windows Mobile, and I was able to find more quality software and information about software than Android.
So to cater to a unwashed masses of retards, software companies have to submit to Google's and Apples dumb down gateway system, letting them restrict freedom thru regulating on what kind of software is allowed and take a cut too.
Like with everything, masses of uninformed people are the single greatest barrier to freedom for everyone.

klau1 said:
I just discovered the existence of this game. where is it on the Market? It doesn't seem to be searchable with the term "Eternal Legacy". Gameloft's own website seems to require that one enters a service provider.
With the Transformer being an WiFi only device it doesn't have a service provider.
does anyone know how to get this game working on the transformer?
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See my post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13913276&postcount=246
May be good news for your search.

klau1 said:
Then why would you want to support the man?
The only reason why the Market exists is because there are dullards who can't Google the software websites for themselves.
The Market never existed in Windows Mobile, and I was able to find more quality software and information about software than Android.
So to cater to a unwashed masses of retards, software companies have to submit to Google's and Apples dumb down gateway system, letting them restrict freedom thru regulating on what kind of software is allowed and take a cut too.
Like with everything, masses of uninformed people are the single greatest barrier to freedom for everyone.
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At the end of the day, it's all about convenience. If you can't offer that to your market...they aren't going to want the product. It is completely inconvenient for the masses to go to their site, enter MORE billing info, have a game TEXTED to you, download it via a usually broken link, then finally play it.
I was part of the old winmo crew and I fully appreciated downloading software from the companies site...but guess what!? This wonderful concept where all these applications were put in one spot ON MY PHONE with one billing method was invented and gosh darn it, I just think thats a swell place to get my apps!
If they do not want to fall into the market, they're missing 98% of the average phone users in todays world
So yes, Gameloft made a very horrible decision. Lesson here? Don't make your product hard to get.

krighton said:
wonder who their marketing genius is behind this decision....personally will only buy games through the market...it's buggy at times but overall works well. Guess they're trying to build demand for the product. Probably some young hipsters trying to buck the man.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was something to do with a clash over Gameloft's terrible licensing policy.

I think Gameloft want to optimize its game based on specific hardware.
And I definitely would not complain since:
1. the price is way cheaper compared to the marketplace, (probably the price differs from a country to another)
2. alternative payment option. the games can be paid through telco provider by premium sms charge instead of credit card. Quite convenience.

klau1 said:
The only reason why the Market exists is because there are dullards who can't Google the software websites for themselves.
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klau1 said:
So to cater to a unwashed masses of retards,
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klau1 said:
Like with everything, masses of uninformed people are the single greatest barrier to freedom for everyone.
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Huh? dullards? unwashed masses of retards?
Do you think that possibly there could be intelligent informed users of Android devices who for their own reasons like the Android Market and (gasp) even some of them use the market and other means of getting the apps that they want?
Honestly...this was a pretty ignorant post...

Most of the developers that are protesting the Android market don't like the fact that people can get a refund when they find out that the game sucks.
These developers prefer the Apple market because they can develop crap games and then the consumer is out of luck once they have your money.
Anyway... it's usually about the refund system. Google has cut it back to 15 minutes because enough developers complained, and I'm sure it won't be long before they do away with it altogether.

Drybonz said:
Most of the developers that are protesting the Android market don't like the fact that people can get a refund when they find out that the game sucks.
These developers prefer the Apple market because they can develop crap games and then the consumer is out of luck once they have your money.
Anyway... it's usually about the refund system. Google has cut it back to 15 minutes because enough developers complained, and I'm sure it won't be long before they do away with it altogether.
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This whole thought process I think is damning themselves. I know I've been less click happy on buying an app since they lowered the refund time. I had the market bug and not install the app (when it was 24 hours) and I couldn't get it installed until after the refund time was over, so I fear something similar will happen still and I only have 15 minutes to figure it out. If they get rid of it altogether, I'll deal without most paid apps. At the moment I already refuse to pay for an app through amazon because of their policy.
Of course I might not be the majority, but the return policy was a major reason (one of many) why I jumped ship from Apple and went with Android in the first place.

[APPS] All Yongzh emulators removed from Market...

The title says it all. WTF Google??
Started a support thread here. (WARNING: strong language)
Edit: Other threads/links of similar interest:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098192
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098023
http://androidforums.com/android-applications/343376-yongzh-emulators-gone-market.html
SlideMe page where he is temporarily offering his emulators for free: here.
Edit: Some more interesting info here:
http://www.zodttd.com/wp/2011/05/it-hit-hard/

Strong language is an under statement. Lol. I never noticed cause I restore my apps after flashing a Rom

I noticed coz may 26th he was going to re-release N64oid with much higher compatibility. He spent a good 2 months working on N64oid and google removes all his apps the day he was gonna release it. Dirty

How does that work exactly, considering we PAID for these apps? (I bought NESoid when it first came out, I flashed a new ROM and now I don't have it anymore which pisses me off)

jlukek89 said:
I noticed coz may 26th he was going to re-release N64oid with much higher compatibility. He spent a good 2 months working on N64oid and google removes all his apps the day he was gonna release it. Dirty
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Very dirty.
uoY_redruM said:
How does that work exactly, considering we PAID for these apps? (I bought NESoid when it first came out, I flashed a new ROM and now I don't have it anymore which pisses me off)
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I've read that those who've emailed the developer had the apks sent to them. Worth a shot, Yongzh is a respectable dev and I'm sure he'd help you out.

They are all available on the Slideme market for free (for a little while atleast). He set them to free so those that had purchased them would get a chance to reinstall without having to pay again. This includes N64oid.

He stole the source code from here and there and sold it as his. He deserved it.

Quit your *****ing. He based his work of GPL licensed FOSS programs and didnot GPL his code or display the previous code licenses. He's an asshat.

bobtentpeg said:
Quit your *****ing. He based his work of GPL licensed FOSS programs and didnot GPL his code or display the previous code licenses. He's an asshat.
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And you really think this is why they were removed? I highly doubt it.

negroplasty said:
And you really think this is why they were removed? I highly doubt it.
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Actually, I would be highly surprised if this wasnt related to their removal. The FOSS project heads have complained in the past to Google. And despite what you may think, Google takes license violations very seriously. Because the Market servers are separate from the Android project, Google is liable for them separately, and have in the past removed applications that fail to follow the lience requirements.

bobtentpeg said:
Quit your *****ing. He based his work of GPL licensed FOSS programs and didnot GPL his code or display the previous code licenses. He's an asshat.
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How do you know that? I somehow could not find any references about him basing apps on open source code prior to this incident.

I wont say he has or hasnt made any violations, but I will say his emulator for N64 functions almost EXACTLY like mupen64 does in ubuntu(glitches I've seen and all). Also If he is writing from scratch by himself, I'm confident that it would take much longer to make one like N64oid then it has. Again, he may have done all this work and is getting alot of crap for it for no reason. I still think the emulatos hes made work great and I activly use them, but I think he needs to make some sort of statment on the issue to clearify things.

http //www reddit com/r/Android/comments/hmwj7/android_markets_most_popular_emulators_disappear/
http //www snes9x com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4454
http //www gp32x com/board/index.php?/topic/58889-n64-for-android/
Sorry about the links. I don't have the minimum post count. I'm mostly a lurker.

all right then, pitchforks and torches it is..

otakuloser said:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/hmwj7/android_markets_most_popular_emulators_disappear/
http://www.snes9x.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4454
http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/58889-n64-for-android/
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Made links clickable.
Even if Snesoid and N64oid were ripps that still doesn't answer why everything was pulled...

negroplasty said:
Even if Snesoid and N64oid were ripps that still doesn't answer why everything was pulled...
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Um, because when not one, but two of his apps are confirmed as rip-offs, the benefit of the doubt wears pretty thin as to whether the rest of them are also rip-offs. Besides, aren't two violations good enough reason to ban him and all of his apps? This is all speculation though, as Google won't say exactly why his account and apps were removed.

An interesting read for those talking about open source licenses:
http://www.zodttd.com/wp/2011/05/it-hit-hard/ (also added to the OP)

negroplasty said:
An interesting read for those talking about open source licenses:
http://www.zodttd.com/wp/2011/05/it-hit-hard/ (also added to the OP)
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Given a number a license holders (see above links) say they never heard from/were working with either of the developers, I call bull****.

Real64

Guys search the market for Real64, It's a N64 Emulator, It looks like someone has just ripped of N64oid and repacked it even the icon is the same
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.advcaveman.real64

So..
Does it have rumble?
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The author claims it's a port of mupen64plus, an open source emulator, and he seems really intent in describing the components of the emulator. Either he's a very cheeky ripoff or it's the real deal.

Its clearly a rip off. the Gui and even the app icon is a complete copy of yongzh's n64oid.
heres the legit n64oid http://slideme.org/application/n64oid
edit: heck even the version number is the same!

Logseman said:
The author claims it's a port of mupen64plus, an open source emulator, and he seems really intent in describing the components of the emulator. Either he's a very cheeky ripoff or it's the real deal.
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The description is a simple cut-and-paste of yongzh's description.
If you guys looked closer, youll see about 6 or 7 N64oid's uploaded to the market, just look at the other emulators screenshots, they didnt even bother using their own! That is seriously not fair that a legit dev like yongzh gets booted from market but the android market team still lets this drivel stay. *sigh* I dont care if he didnt use his own source code, he was the first to actually bring us a n64 emu to android and he did that very well. Damn.

I stand corrected.

He's going to get banned from the market for the same reason Yongzh did. You can't repack or port an open source project and sell it for personal gain. That's the whole point of an open source license.
Don't get your hopes up on buying this and getting a constantly evolving or improving emulator.

Clyzm said:
You can't repack or port an open source project and sell it for personal gain.
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A common misconception:
A program is free software if users have all of these freedoms [The 4 Freedoms]. Thus, you should be free to redistribute copies, either with or without modifications, either gratis or charging a fee for distribution, to anyone anywhere.
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http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

Probably is the guy who was pretending to have a ps3 emulator in dev and asking for donations.

He even added yongzh to his credits.
Since yongzh's version was paid, isn't it illegal? You can't exactly take paid software, rip it off completely, then sell it for your own profit, right?

speedyink said:
He even added yongzh to his credits.
Since yongzh's version was paid, isn't it illegal? You can't exactly take paid software, rip it off completely, then sell it for your own profit, right?
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Yongzh took somebody elses work (mupen64plus) changed it and sold it for money which he shouldn't really do (although his emulator is awesome!). this dude stole yongzh's work and made absolutely no changes, which is alot worse imo. it even seems insulting and lazy that he would use the same icon and description.

bubblegumballon said:
Yongzh took somebody elses work (mupen64plus) changed it and sold it for money which he shouldn't really do (although his emulator is awesome!). this dude stole yongzh's work and made absolutely no changes, which is alot worse imo. it even seems insulting and lazy that he would use the same icon and description.
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I'm completely aware of his ripping off mupen64plus, but this is different, he at least put SOME work into it in order to make it compatible with android. He also needs to keep putting in time to update it, so I'll pay him as incentive to keep working on it.

Logseman said:
A common misconception:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
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Charging a fee for distribution is a very different thing from re-packing an existing program and selling it.
Buying an Ubuntu disc is paying for distribution. Buying Ubuntu and giving the distributor profit is misuse of open source.
Yongzh's account was pulled from the market because his Super Nintendo emulator was pretty much a repacked version of Snes9x and sold for profit. Yongzh can now make the same claim about Real64 if he actually ported Mupen64 properly himself, and it wasn't just another Java wrapper.
You know what, I stand corrected:
GNU Article said:
You may have paid money to get copies of free software, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies.
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However, having read through that, there's a few more infringements here. Both Yongzh and this new developer of Real64 are distributing a version of Mupen64 (and in Yongzh's case, Snes9x) without consent of the original developers, and for profit. If the Mupen64 devs decide to go after them and prove that their software is similar enough, this can still be taken off the market. At this point it's less of an open source issue and more of a copyright issue.

Clyzm said:
Charging a fee for distribution is a very different thing from re-packing an existing program and selling it.
Buying an Ubuntu disc is paying for distribution. Buying Ubuntu and giving the distributor profit is misuse of open source.
Yongzh's account was pulled from the market because his Super Nintendo emulator was pretty much a repacked version of Snes9x and sold for profit. Yongzh can now make the same claim about Real64 if he actually ported Mupen64 properly himself, and it wasn't just another Java wrapper.
You know what, I stand corrected:
However, having read through that, there's a few more infringements here. Both Yongzh and this new developer of Real64 are distributing a version of Mupen64 (and in Yongzh's case, Snes9x) without consent of the original developers, and for profit. If the Mupen64 devs decide to go after them and prove that their software is similar enough, this can still be taken off the market. At this point it's less of an open source issue and more of a copyright issue.
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How do i go about getting a refund for this?
I bought it the other day but can no longer download via the market.
-RR

h20wakebum said:
How do i go about getting a refund for this?
I bought it the other day but can no longer download via the market.
-RR
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That may be my fault It was there yesterday before i wrote an email to google complaining that it's a rip off of n64oid and even if its not, it's breaking the GPL rules sorry

Logseman said:
A common misconception:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
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The overlooked 5th rule. Feel free to take the work that was taken and sold for personal gain if it is against your personal morals.

NeoandGeo said:
The overlooked 5th rule. Feel free to take the work that was taken and sold for personal gain if it is against your personal morals.
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So does this mean I can take N64oid and add touch pad support and sell it ?
Because that seems to be what n4oid did

subcu1ture said:
So does this mean I can take N64oid and add touch pad support and sell it ?
Because that seems to be what n4oid did
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i'd buy it from you...
in the dark alley of course

Clyzm said:
Charging a fee for distribution is a very different thing from re-packing an existing program and selling it.
Buying an Ubuntu disc is paying for distribution. Buying Ubuntu and giving the distributor profit is misuse of open source.
Yongzh's account was pulled from the market because his Super Nintendo emulator was pretty much a repacked version of Snes9x and sold for profit. Yongzh can now make the same claim about Real64 if he actually ported Mupen64 properly himself, and it wasn't just another Java wrapper.
You know what, I stand corrected:
However, having read through that, there's a few more infringements here. Both Yongzh and this new developer of Real64 are distributing a version of Mupen64 (and in Yongzh's case, Snes9x) without consent of the original developers, and for profit. If the Mupen64 devs decide to go after them and prove that their software is similar enough, this can still be taken off the market. At this point it's less of an open source issue and more of a copyright issue.
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You do not need to ask for consent from anyone, including the authors. The GPL allows you to sell the software, not just for distribution. Jesus, it's all in the document if you'd read it. SNES9x's license allows it as well.
Read, educate yourself: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

subcu1ture said:
So does this mean I can take N64oid and add touch pad support and sell it ?
Because that seems to be what n4oid did
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Yes, as long as the source that you changed would be licensed under the GPL and freely available.

HP CEO: ZOMG, Android to be closed

Hope this hasn't been posted before. Has anyone read about this?
I think it's plausible for this to/can happen.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-CEO-ZOMG-Android-to-be-closed-after-Motorola-purchase_id26984

Rubva said:
de que habla este foro?
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So much for an English forum! HUH!

There is no way that would happen. Androids shares would drop like a turn you have been holding in for a week. (Yes, thats a comparison)

What? Plausible for HP to say "Oooo you really need to keep WebOS going for us because maybe in some twisted mirror universe Google will make Android closed source and only available on Motorola"
That's all that has happened. HP have said something stupid about Android.
The article even points out WHY Google wouldn't make Android closed source and only available on Motorola.

It may be a good talking point for WebOS, but it's not going to happen. They would have to make Android closed source in order to make it exclusive to Google/Motorola. And since the source is already out there, non Motorola OEMs could continue development on their own or abandon it and go with something else like Windows Phone. It wouldn't be beneficial for Android and I can't see Google doing it.

Where does google make most of its money?
Why would Google develope and release a free and open sourced operating system everyone can use?
Ad Revenue
If Android were to turn closed sourced, Google would loss profit potential. Meg Whitman is an idiot if she thinks Android is going to be closed sourced.

She's just doing her job.
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This would be good for WP7 if true.

vetvito said:
She's just doing her job.
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Well, she's arguably not doing a very good job of it. webOS needs a cheerleader who will make everyone want to use it. Clumsily spreading rumors and FUD about a competitor is not going to garner support for her product, especially such a farfetched rumor.
Here's an idea: find someone (hint: hp can make hardware!) to make a killer device that runs webOS. Make it inexpensive, powerful, give it great battery life and a great design. Then get it into the hands of every developer you can. Send a box of them to Rovio. Give them to Verizon and AT&T (it better be dual-mode like the 4S) employees for free.
Then, make it a point to tell every vendor, carrier, software developer, reviewer, and blogger how great it and webOS is, citing legitimate points and statistics. Send a device to all them. Make something they love and make sure they know it's here to stay. If hp legitimately wants it to be a viable open source OS that other vendors will want to use, they need to shove it down their throats and make it super easy for devs to get it running.
Finally, don't delay it, don't put it on the market for 2 weeks and pull it, don't jack up the price, and don't give it some stupid achille's heel like a PenTile screen or something.
Then webOS will succeed.

When it goes open source, I'm sure Samsung and HTC will make a device. The hardware was the only thing that was really limiting WebOS.
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If HTC ever wants their own OS, here you go.
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I Am Marino said:
If HTC ever wants their own OS, here you go.
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Considering hp tried and failed to sell it to htc, I think that ship has sailed.

Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.

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Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.
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Agreed. Android is an ad/data wet dream for Google.

The data and social engineering aspects for targeting advertisements are massive. They've already invaded your Internets with google and computers with Chrome.
We all hear about all these anonymous usage statistics, but sometimes I'm surprised at how targeted the advertisements feel sometimes.
Probably one of the things that scared me the most was that I recently received a Motorcycle magazine. I've been interested in getting one for a while, but have never actively given my information to anyone before... Just using google, and looking at review of bikes. It's kind of scary that someone got my information, and was able to (at least I feel like) target those advertisements at me.

the google & motorola marriage was approved and completed already by the court
yet Android is still open source
so that old news is just HP trying to get some fly time and pitch WebOS again, but failed yet again

Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Unless of course the app is free.

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Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Unless of course the app is free.
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Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.

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Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.
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Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?

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Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?
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He means its a known fact apple users buy more apps than android ones. That's based on various statistics so not just a subjective opinion though the reasons for it are not so clearcut.
Dave
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