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I've owned my Nexus for a few months and have noticed that if I were to update my Kernel to Netarchy I could potentially overclock to 1.2 Ghz.
I'm interested in doing this but would like to know if anybody could answer these questions before I get stuck in.
1. Does my phone need to be rooted?
2. Will the Kernel work in the UK with T-mobile?
3. Will overclocking reduce battery performance?
4. Do I need to be running a custom ROM to use the new kernel?
Thanks in advance
JTopaz said:
I've owned my Nexus for a few months and have noticed that if I were to update my Kernel to Netarchy I could potentially overclock to 1.2 Ghz.
I'm interested in doing this but would like to know if anybody could answer these questions before I get stuck in.
1. Does my phone need to be rooted?
2. Will the Kernel work in the UK with T-mobile?
3. Will overclocking reduce battery performance?
4. Do I need to be running a custom ROM to use the new kernel?
Thanks in advance
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1. You just need Clockwork Recovery, but at that point.. you might as well get root.
2. Kernels work with any carrier. Carrier is not a factor, it just depends on what ROM you use.
3. possibly (not sure about this)
4. No but since you have to unlock your bootloader to put this kernel on, your settings will be wiped. So you might as well try a custom ROM.
You can't get dirty down with kernels and not try ROMs. You have to fully get dirty. What you're saying is like putting one hand in a muddy pool, you just have to put both hands in the muddy pool
Cheers for the tips!
I'm going to get so stuck in that pool of mud I might never make it out!
Just another question (the dreaded noob question) whats the easiest way to root?
JTopaz said:
Cheers for the tips!
I'm going to get so stuck in that pool of mud I might never make it out!
Just another question (the dreaded noob question) whats the easiest way to root?
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There's only one way to root lol. The Nexus S is one of the few phones that are the easiest to unlock unless you count lazy one clicks.
Here are some guides to help you get started:
I9020/I9020T: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895545
I9020A/I9023: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1007782
^^ You can find out what model you have by going to Settings -> About Phone -> Baseband Version
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1031760 is also another good thread to figure out what version of the NS you have.
E.G. mines is I9020XXKB3
If you get stuck, you can message me or whatever and I'd be more than happy to assist you.
You also have to go through each and every ROM to see which offers the most functionality for you based on added features. I have to say though, Netarchy's kernel (as you mentioned in OP) is a necessity. It's more stable than the stock kernel (surprisingly!) and offers a lot of goodies!
@zephiK: I have already taken a look over the Netarchy's kernel info/changelog, but could you please note the important differences between stock and Netarchy CFS ? Just the important ones, don't go into detail if you don't want/have time. Because, even if I have read the info, I still don't see some major differences (I don't count the Voodoo configs). Maybe I'm blind, lol. Please enlighten me.
I've just rooted and applied Cyanogen CM7 to my Nexus S.
I was wondering if anybody knows how to get the stock app drawer back? I dislike ADW launcher.
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@zephiK: I have already taken a look over the Netarchy's kernel info/changelog, but could you please note the important differences between stock and Netarchy CFS ? Just the important ones, don't go into detail if you don't want/have time. Because, even if I have read the info, I still don't see some major differences (I don't count the Voodoo configs). Maybe I'm blind, lol. Please enlighten me.
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The Voodoo configs are enough to make you switch to be honest. Voodoo Sound is simply amazing, it can't be explained. Go use it for yourself and you'll notice the difference. Voodoo Color makes the color much better. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002090 for the best Color settings.
All the features of Netarchy's kernel are in his thread. I don't have to restate what Netarchy said in his OP post.
But the main highlights are the EXT4 performance boost. This was missing from the stock kernel which significantly increases your phone's speed.
Raised default read-ahead value from 128 to 2048 (read: sd speed tweak built-in, scripts not necessary)
BLN: Want your LED notifications back? BLN is your solution.
OC/UV: Playing with Undervolts causes better battery life.
but overall.. experience with netarchy is faster and better battery life (without even modifying UV)
@JTopaz: You can either get ADW Launcher or LauncherPro from the market. The ADW from CM7 is different from the market one.
If you really want stock launcher, download: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933517
So, essentially, it's faster with EXT4 and, at the same time, has better battery life than stock kernel ? What exactly improves battery life ?
Also, about ADW launcher. Does the one from CM7 come with a 3D launcher ?
Yea, I know these may be dumb questions, but there are question like these that don't actually have an answer lying around. Or at least I didn't find it. Yes, like I said, I have read netarchy's posts. But I was reaching for a more elaborate explanation; like: EXT4 improves performance in aplications where rendering bla bla bla bla, because it uses more available resources that bla bla bla. So that I could understand where that performance boost comes from and where it should be available, if I would actually need it, or whatever. Same applies to battery life. Why does it have better battery life ? It under-clocks in certain moments, etc. etc. ?
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So, essentially, it's faster with EXT4 and, at the same time, has better battery life than stock kernel ? What exactly improves battery life ?
Also, about ADW launcher. Does the one from CM7 come with a 3D launcher ?
Yea, I know these may be dumb questions, but there are question like these that don't actually have an answer lying around. Or at least I didn't find it. Yes, like I said, I have read netarchy's posts. But I was reaching for a more elaborate explanation; like: EXT4 improves performance in aplications where rendering bla bla bla bla, because it uses more available resources that bla bla bla. So that I could understand where that performance boost comes from and where it should be available, if I would actually need it, or whatever. Same applies to battery life. Why does it have better battery life ? It under-clocks in certain moments, etc. etc. ?
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The phone is already using EXT4 but its missing a optimization thing. I don't want to go full in details about it. If you want to know whats it about, search for it on the forums. I believe it was supercurio that found it.
What improves battery life is the tweaks. Just use it, if you don't like it you can revert back to stock. I'm not apart of the Netarchy marketing department. I'm telling you to use it, if you dont want to use it im not going to try and persuade u to do so. It's your choice, I'm just saying do it.. im not going to beg you to do it.
As about ADW.. I don't know, the ADW included with CM7 is different from the ADW on the market. The ADW on the market does have 3D launcher, I use ADW EX (paid version of ADW which includes new features).
Edit: Here is the post about EXT4 found by supercurio. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876069
It also includes a tweak that increases your SDcard I/O speed. And it's real, not the fake quadrant hack [this tweak is not EXT4.. its something else]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1023664
^
I even said im not a marketer but im just going to lay these right here. If this doesn't convince you then I don't know what would.
Ending story: Make a nandroid backup, flash Netarchy's 1.3.0.6 kernel.
Try it... don't like it? do a nandroid restore
Like it? well..... you just gave another +10 to loving your phone much more.
I tried flashing my kernel to netarchy however when I rebooted my NS it just displayed a Google logo with the unlocked padlock. The rom I was using at the time was CM7.
I left it a few minutes but it was frozen on that screen. Restored a Nandroid backup and now up and running again.
What did I do wrong? I'm rooted with an unlocked bootloader. I really like the look of the stock rom so can I just update my kernel and then overclock?
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I tried flashing my kernel to netarchy however when I rebooted my NS it just displayed a Google logo with the unlocked padlock. The rom I was using at the time was CM7.
I left it a few minutes but it was frozen on that screen. Restored a Nandroid backup and now up and running again.
What did I do wrong? I'm rooted with an unlocked bootloader. I really like the look of the stock rom so can I just update my kernel and then overclock?
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Did you download the CFS CM7 version? There are four versions of the kernel. And yes you can use stock + netarchy. You just have to download the one for stock ROMs.
zephiK, I think you got me wrong. I'm not opposed to netarchy's kernel, or any kernel in particular. I am a more technical kind of person, that's why I put these kind of detailed questions, not because I want to find something wrong with those kernels, just for the sake of it. And yes, I know you don't advertise his kernel, or, again, any other kernel. I know that. I was just doing what I always do, trying to find out as much as I can about the update/modification that I'm going to perform on my phone, so that I won't break it and then come crying here for help like an idiot.
So thanks a lot for the info, I really appreciate that you took the time to write me back.
I have, in the meantime, applied the CM7 ROM with it's ADW launcher. Unfortunately, it doesn't have a 3D launcher, but the whole ROM has lots and lots of features that really make it better than stock. If netarchy's (or other) kernel has the same outstanding difference than stock, then yes, I would be stunned. Anyway, I will look more into it, then I'll see what I'm going to do. Thanks a lot again !
Hey guys,
there are a lot of similar posts, but actually not one of them responds to my question(s) exactly.
I have Darkys 10.1 Extreme Edition installed, everything is ok, the rom is smooth, but the one thing i noticed, is that you can´t oc with dark core.
So here is my question: Which kernel fits the 10.1 darky and which one is oc-able? (also "underclockable")
how much does the kernel influence the rom?
sry i am a noob, but thanks for answering!
hello?
nobody? I know that there are alot of Kernels out there, which one is the best for Darky 10.1 ?
The one that you like most.
Its like asking apples or oranges...
In terms of speed its often a bit of "it feels faster".
For features as underclocking or overclocking...
... you can look and search in the forums yourself, as would anybody giving you an answer on this.
For me, Darky kernel is not suitable for me.
I like kernel doesn't get pimp by put in credit on it.
Standard as possible as can and energy efficient, great memory tweak, plus i need color RGB adjustment.
I'd search the forums yourself mate. I completely agree with Dark3n. And to be quite honest, it's al about preferance, some people think this kernal runs better then tha kernal and vise versa, some kernals are great kernal with overclocking abilities but when you try to over clock it, the whole thing goes buggy, others are perfect kernals, just not over clocked. It's all trial and error mate. Dont be afriad to explore. MAybe trying building your own kernal that suites your preferance?
Talon and Galaxian giving me good impression so far
i trying semaphore and it work great!
I'm sorry about the long post if you want to get straight to my question, skip the first paragraph
I was avoiding this because it is a fairly noob question set (and I've seen a history of new members on XDA being berated for questions that could have been answered by any amount of research and I'm unsure whether my question set will fall into that category), but I just can't do anymore research since most information I'm finding is not in one place and I can't seem to find a full feature list for any of the ROMs and Kernels I research and look into, and on top of that there are SOOO many.... I'm about to pull my hair out of my head and my skull along with it, and every search engine I use is contemplating homicide (google has divorced me and is planning my murder for the life insurance money, and duck-duck-go is biting my heels with its bill) and firefox is planning a suicide bombing taking the 50 or more tabs with it along with my RAM, and I'm not terribly sure any of those actions aren't justified (and also, as you can probably tell, I'm going NUTS!). Just the amount of information and the amount of digging I have to do to find a single answer for the MANY questions I have regarding these ROMs and Kernels is staggering (I remember having similar problems searching to find the right linux distribution for me, but it wasn't this hard and after 2 or more weeks of searching, I didn't find myself not having any substantial answer, nor did it actually take two weeks)
anyways, enough with the crazy intro to the question
My current phone is a Nexus S 4g (sprint) currently running the stock ROM and Kernel, gingerbread 2.3.7 (build GWK74). I have it rooted and I have clockwork mod recovery flashed as well as ROM manager installed. I'm looking for ROM and Kernel recommendations (and combinations, I want to make sure they're compatible) as well as reasons why they might fit my needs
I need a ROM and Kernel that:
1. Won't reduce any of the current features I have on the Stock ROM/Kernel I have (though I don't use NFC so if google wallet isn't applicable, that's not a loss)
2. Will allow more steps in frequencies on my CPU (so CPUtuner won't tell me it can only go between 100Mhz and 1Ghz when I attempt to manually change the frequency, I can get one governor to get me 400mhz, but that only adds one more step to the 2 current steps, and performance and powersave governors don't work with the stock kernel, not that it's a big deal, I prefer conservative and ondemand)
3. will allow voodoo control & voodoo color (or any other feature that might be useful, though BLN isn't a big deal to me)
4. Has better battery life (while in use, use being things similar to internet browsing) than stock ROM/Kernel (so UI flare isn't completely necessary, and underclocking and/or undervolting would be great, as long as it doesn't sacrifice speed)
5. The UI should be less jittery than I'm seeing the stock react half the time (though that might be an effect of the CPU tuner)
6. I would like overclocking (however if that interferes with battery life, then I can live without it as long as it doesn't make the speed worse than stock)
7. this coincides with #1, but I think it should be said anyways: I don't want any connectivity (besides maybe NFC) to be affected adversely, so I want 4g, 3g (given), wifi, tethering, etc...
a few questions I have that I can't seem to clear up:
1. I'm beginning to develop software for android, so I'm wondering if any ROM and/or Kernel will affect ADB or any connection to my PC at all
2. What advantages do CM7.1 nightlies have over the CM7.1 stable, and any disadvantages (because I would prefer stable unless there's something on the nightlies I might want)
3. And any advantages ICS ports might have to anything listed above? and compatible kernels?
well, I have done some research, and the two ROMs I'm currently considering are Oxygen and CM7.1 (stable). I like Oxygen because it's a barebones rom with a few extra features that (from what I've seen thus far) don't interfere with performance or battery life. I like CM7.1 because it seems to be fairly quick and has a good feature set.
now I know that the performance might be more affected by the kernel than the ROM, so the kernels I've been most interested in are Netarchy and Trinity. Netarchy has decent speeds (though I'm unsure of its effect on battery life) and has a great list of features (such as voodoo control). Trinity is fast (depending on which version, I was debating on the overclocked version that doesn't go to the highest clock setting and the undervolted version which stayed at 1ghz but had great powersaving) because of its speed and/or powersaving, but I'm unsure of all of the features it has)
I had read that CM has its own kernel, but I can't find any substantial evidence to it besides a few short forum posts on various forums. I can't find anything on the CM site that backs up those claims (I could have just missed it though)
I was considering MIUI but I had heard that it had some translation problems from chinese into english and I'm not sure if you can get the text to read from left to right (and be alligned that way). Not sure if that has been fixed and if the features on there are necessary and/or make it difficult to use
I'm asking here because I'm sure I've barely scratched the surface on all of the ROMs and Kernels that might be helpful to me (and hope to get info from more knowledgeable people)
I have been referring to this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067813
I'm sure somethings I want aren't possible or if they are, there's negligible gain (I'm starting to thing that about battery life with the more I read)
once again, I apologize for the extremely long post, as you can tell I'm verbose (as it's really the only way I know how to get my point across)
if you need further information, feel free to ask. If any information needs to be cut off (especially if this needs to be cut shorter) let me know
I hate to do this but
BUMP
my main problem with this is that most of these roms and kernels seem to do the same thing but all have different problems
I've also found that some versions are more buggy then others which has thrown yet another curve ball into my research (not as bad as ICS but bad enough). I should have expected it but it's just one more thing to go digging for
an answer at all would be nice, other than just the views with no post. Even if the next person's answer is "this is stupid" or something of the like
even that would help me believe it or not
Honestly, your answer is the same one everyone else gets. Try them out and see. Most of the kernels out there should work with any of the ROMs, even the stock ROM. Personally, I have had no real issues with any ROM/kernel combo I have tried. I use CM because I am so used to the features they add and I dislike the stock GB theme. I'm using the last nightly cm7 had because there was something they didn't have in the stable but I don't recall what that was. But most any ROM or kernel you get for gB is likely done being developed for. The combination in my signature serves me very well. A lot of people do like oxygen. I just missed cm too much. Most of the kernels should allow for all of the wants you have.
I also ran cm9 with the glados kernel and honestly, it ran perfect for me. My only issue was with a few apps i use not wanting to cooperate.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G running CM7/franco.Kernel
Sent from my Nexus S 4G running CM7/franco.Kernel
alright thanks (which the button did for me)
I understand that (and some threads I looked over had answers like that, so I figured someone might say something along the lines of "try it out") I was mostly looking for input from past users about some ROM or kernel
I just don't want to end up with a broken phone before I leave for a week or two (to a rural area for a couple of days)
thanks for the answer, all I really need to know now is have there been any problems with any of them running ADB or transferring files from PC to phone?
EDIT: well I'm going to continue trying to get android SDK working on my linux OS, and I'm going to install and run a few ROMs and Kernels
ROMs I'm going to try: CM7.1 Stable, Oxygen, CM9
Kernels: Netarchy, Trinity, matri1x, and glados (with CM9)
I recently rooted my Mytouch 4G Slide (s-off) and have been trying out several roms, my favorite of which are: Blue6IX's Bulletproof rom, Virtuous Primadonna, and Virtuous Inquisition. I like all of these, since each have their benefits over the other. Bulletproof is more solid and maintains the ability to use all stock features, most importantly the camera. The Virtuous roms are both visually more exciting (Inquisition is an ICS style rom), BUT the camera crashes if you even try certain camera features or some random things fail like trying to send a photo via text. All those pros and cons aside, the main feature keeping me on Virtuous Inquisition is the overclock kernel. It overclocks up to 1.7Ghz, and that's damn cool if you ask me.
Since the Virtuous roms have so many issues, I want to be able to use a rom like Bulletproof and still be able to overclock it. I looked all over this forum for overclock info/kernels and found just 2 threads. One was an older one by Romanbb called Kanged (still available for download), the other was from Blue6IX including several variations of kernels (but none of the download links exist anymore).
Then I did some more research on the kernel used in the Inquisition rom. Everything I read pointed to a developer that, apparently, only has overclock kernels for the HTC Sensation (can't think of his name at the moment). This seemed a little strange that a kernel for a different phone would be compatible with mine.
So this is where I reached a dead end with even more questions than I started with:
Are overclock kernels specific to each device? In other words: if I found one for a Sensation or whatever, would I be able to use it with my MT4GS?
Since Romanbb's "Kanged" OC kernel seems to be the only one still available for the MT4GS, would it still be compatible with newer roms? And for that matter, does is have to be used with a particular version of Android, or Sense vs ICS?
You see, I don't know enough about overclock kernels (or even kernels, themselves) to know all the right questions to ask in this situation. All I know is that Bulletproof has the stability I want, while Inquisition has the speed I need. And before I go cutting & pasting bits and pieces of one rom into another, I'd like to know what I should be doing or if I'm even on the right path. So maybe someone can point me in the right direction and help me to understand compatibility of oc kernels & how they can/can't be implemented. Also, where the hell do I even find oc kernels for this model of phone?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me to understand all of this. And I apologize in advance for any headache my abundance of questions and lack-of-understanding may cause.
All of the ICS/JB roms that use the v3 kernel by TeamDS are overclocked to 1.7ghz as well. Oh and don't flash a Sensation kernel...you wont boot. Also I'm not sure but I think the latest bulletproof (v1.1) has overclock to 1.7
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xmc wildchild22 said:
All of the ICS/JB roms that use the v3 kernel by TeamDS are overclocked to 1.7ghz as well. Oh and don't flash a Sensation kernel...you wont boot. Also I'm not sure but I think the latest bulletproof (v1.1) has overclock to 1.7
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I'll check those out. I've noticed there's a common trend between all ICS roms for the MT4GS: they all have the same camera failures as well as plenty of other random issues, although some have more than others. So I'm hesitant about trying any ICS roms older than a couple months, since it seems that a truly stable ICS rom for this phone with minimal issues doesnt exist yet. But yes, I will check it out.
As for Bulletproof, if it does have overclock then something is wrong because I tried SetCPU (several others as well) and I wasn't able to set a max frequency higher than 1200-ish mhz (or 1100 something?). No matter what I tried the frequency stayed at stock settings. Thats why I'm trying to find out where to find a compatible oc kernel and how to install/flash it on top of a rom that didn't originally have an oc kernel.
With the Virtuous Inquisition rom that I'm currently on, it allows a max of 1728mhz which is great. Although for some reason whenever I set up a new profile within SetCPU or even change the Min/Max settings, the setting doesn't have an effect on the actual frequency longer than a couple seconds before reverting back to default. And I tried disabling Perflock but I get "Error: Misc Exception.. ". Which brings me back to my original thought about the kernel used in this rom; I found the name of the dev and kernel version used in this rom: "SebastianFM -Sensation 3.0.13 kernel". When I looked up that guy's kernels, they all seem to be exclusively for the Sensation, but his kernels are being used in this Inquisition rom that is compatible for the Sensation, Evo3D, and MT4GS. So the fact that this (apparently) is a Sensation kernel might explain why my settings in SetCPU have no effect and I'm unable to disable Perflock.
Still though, it would be nice to get the best of both worlds; stable rom, fast-as-hell kernel.
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Thanks. Didn't know that, I figured this was a development-related question so the "Development" section made sense, and I made sure I labeled it with a "( ? )" to avoid any confusion. My mistake, I suppose. And although I've been a long time reader of this forum, I didn't set up an account til last fall and hadn't actually started a thread til now. Now I know. Soo, is there a way to move this thread and I'm just not seeing it?
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Now I know. Soo, is there a way to move this thread and I'm just not seeing it?
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No, you are not allowed to move threads, even if you created them.
The post was reported, and the thread moved. For future reference, you can do this as well - but also for future reference, no questions should ever be in the Development section. Thanks!
I've had my tf700 for about a year now but have struggled making it usable due to the awful lag it always tends to have, I have rooted, unlocked, and rommed it with cm 10.1. i also have tried using apps such as seeder and autokiller memory optimizer as they help a lot with my razr maxx but nothing seems to help it. ive done countless factory resets and done every combination of performance options baked into CM 10.1.
is there another rom i should try? or any way to allow it to use different I/O schedulers (thinking SIO) or cpu governers? (thinking smartass or interactivex) or should i try to overclock it somehow??
i just find it very sad that my OG Xoom performs superior to this "super tablet" in every single way.
i absolutely love all ASUS products and love the tf700! i just need help!
thanks for any advice
-b
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I've had my tf700 for about a year now but have struggled making it usable due to the awful lag it always tends to have, I have rooted, unlocked, and rommed it with cm 10.1. i also have tried using apps such as seeder and autokiller memory optimizer as they help a lot with my razr maxx but nothing seems to help it. ive done countless factory resets and done every combination of performance options baked into CM 10.1.
is there another rom i should try? or any way to allow it to use different I/O schedulers (thinking SIO) or cpu governers? (thinking smartass or interactivex) or should i try to overclock it somehow??
i just find it very sad that my OG Xoom performs superior to this "super tablet" in every single way.
i absolutely love all ASUS products and love the tf700! i just need help!
thanks for any advice
-b
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you could upgrade to cm 10.2 and see if that works for you.
or just go with cromi-x rom. lots of tweaks and options, great performance and multiple kernels to choose from (with cpu governor options and overclock)
in my opinion autokiller and the so called ram optimizers dont help. sometimes i feel like they lower the performance... cromi-x already has most of these tweaks aniway.
the lag transcends all the roms I've tried so far ( stock, cm 10.1 , 10.1.2 both stable and nightlies) I don't believe 10.2 is ready for the tf700 yet? I will try chromi x soon I guess. Any special requirements? Or just flash thru twrp?
Thank for the help.
-b
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bschmidy10 said:
the lag transcends all the roms I've tried so far ( stock, cm 10.1 , 10.1.2 both stable and nightlies) I don't believe 10.2 is ready for the tf700 yet? I will try chromi x soon I guess. Any special requirements? Or just flash thru twrp?
Thank for the help.
-b
Sent from my XT912 using xda premium
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You need to do a factory reset and flash with TWRP. Good luck.. :fingers-crossed:
thanks!! i'll let you know how it went tomorrow
*** should i just flash the deodexed rom itself? or any additional zips as well? I.E. gapps, "kernel installer 4.0.3?"
thanks again for the help guys
-b
bschmidy10 said:
thanks!! i'll let you know how it went tomorrow
*** should i just flash the deodexed rom itself? or any additional zips as well? I.E. gapps, "kernel installer 4.0.3?"
thanks again for the help guys
-b
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ODEX, DEODEX - doesn't really matter after the first apps updating. sbdags, the dev, reports DEODEX to tend to slow down after some time. I tend to stick with ODEX.
No need to flash anything else as long as you are on the 10.6.1.14.4 or .8 bootloader and TWRP 2.5 or 2.6.
The kernel installer is optional, makes it fast and easy to try different kernels.
But as mentioned before, you have to do a clean install coming from CM.
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ODEX, DEODEX - doesn't really matter after the first apps updating. sbdags, the dev, reports DEODEX to tend to slow down after some time. I tend to stick with ODEX.
No need to flash anything else as long as you are on the 10.6.1.14.4 or .8 bootloader and TWRP 2.5 or 2.6.
The kernel installer is optional, makes it fast and easy to try different kernels.
But as mentioned before, you have to do a clean install coming from CM.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
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sorry if im being lazy... but how do i know what bootloader im on? i know i have twrp 2.5.0.0 installed and the device is unlocked but im not sure about bootloader.
doing a clean install is no problem, but do you mean do a factory reset from TWRP or entirely wipe the whole rom slot?
and does the kernel installer flash just like the rom? and also, are GAPPS included?
thanks for the great help
-b
bschmidy10 said:
sorry if im being lazy... but how do i know what bootloader im on? i know i have twrp 2.5.0.0 installed and the device is unlocked but im not sure about bootloader.
doing a clean install is no problem, but do you mean do a factory reset from TWRP or entirely wipe the whole rom slot?
and does the kernel installer flash just like the rom? and also, are GAPPS included?
thanks for the great help
-b
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You hold the power button + volume down to boot into the bootlooader menu. In the upper left corner, you can see your bootloader version.
A clean install is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, Data, and system. A factory reset is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, and data but during the Cromi x installation, a default setting is to wipe a system which are very much the same process. Yes, a kernel installer is a very similar process except it only has kernels and no others apps.
bschmidy10 said:
sorry if im being lazy... but how do i know what bootloader im on? i know i have twrp 2.5.0.0 installed and the device is unlocked but im not sure about bootloader.
doing a clean install is no problem, but do you mean do a factory reset from TWRP or entirely wipe the whole rom slot?
and does the kernel installer flash just like the rom? and also, are GAPPS included?
thanks for the great help
-b
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I can tell - you have been firmly in the CM world so far
There are no gapps packages to flash with this rom, when you flash you will be walked through installation options in the Aroma installer. Part of that is also which apps you want to install to /system (Google maps, Gmail etc).
No rom slots either - just partitions.
No need to wipe system - it's part of the installation process.
No need to wipe Dalvik/cache - it's the default in the Aroma installer
A factory reset in TWRP wipes the data partition except for /data/media/ and that should leave your user data intact. Naturally you will backup anyway before flashing, right?
And don't forget to make a nandroid of your old rom.
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LetMeKnow said:
You hold the power button + volume down to boot into the bootlooader menu. In the upper left corner, you can see your bootloader version.
A clean install is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, Data, and system. A factory reset is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, and data but during the Cromi x installation, a default setting is to wipe a system which are very much the same process. Yes, a kernel installer is a very similar process except it only has kernels and no others apps.
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Thanks!, I am already on the right edition so that's very good news for me haha.
berndblb said:
I can tell - you have been firmly in the CM world so far
There are no gapps packages to flash with this rom, when you flash you will be walked through installation options in the Aroma installer. Part of that is also which apps you want to install to /system (Google maps, Gmail etc).
No rom slots either - just partitions.
No need to wipe system - it's part of the installation process.
No need to wipe Dalvik/cache - it's the default in the Aroma installer
A factory reset in TWRP wipes the data partition except for /data/media/ and that should leave your user data intact. Naturally you will backup anyway before flashing, right?
And don't forget to make a nandroid of your old rom.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
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haha yeah I have been mostly loyal to CM... ive also been on touchwiz, AOKP and some other random roms for some of my older phones but when CM 10.1 came out i just switched everything over (DROID, D2G, RAZR MAXX, XOOM, TF700)
but this is sounding pretty easy to me! i am very familiar with nandroid backups as i have a passion for messing with things i shouldnt mess with on my devices
random question: are kernels flashed when roms are flashed? so like does each different rom have its own kernel? (obviously some would use similar/same kernels)
another random question: I have a growing collection of old androids laying around and am not sure what to do with them? do you/anyone have any good uses/ideas to share? im sure i could look thru each devices subsection but as just a general thing. i obviously could use them for "ipods" but i have unlimited data still :good: and no battery life troubles, so streaming works great for me.
- i use my xoom as a kind of party device, with a locked down "user profile" to let people pick the music at parties (im in college at ole miss) or decide what to show on the tv etc so that has a little purpose but was wondering about other things.
-my OG droid mostly just sits in my drawer except for every once in awhile i give rooting it another shot (had same problem with xoom until i SBFed it so i think thats the solution) but it has an extended battery and runs well. same thing goes for my beloved D2G (when it isnt off as a temp phone with someone from my family of various friends)
any ideas??
and once again THANK YOU to everyone for the amazing/ super speedy help, im being sure to "thank" each and every one of you.
bschmidy10 said:
haha yeah I have been mostly loyal to CM... ive also been on touchwiz, AOKP and some other random roms for some of my older phones but when CM 10.1 came out i just switched everything over (DROID, D2G, RAZR MAXX, XOOM, TF700)
but this is sounding pretty easy to me! i am very familiar with nandroid backups as i have a passion for messing with things i shouldnt mess with on my devices
random question: are kernels flashed when roms are flashed? so like does each different rom have its own kernel? (obviously some would use similar/same kernels)
another random question: I have a growing collection of old androids laying around and am not sure what to do with them? do you/anyone have any good uses/ideas to share? im sure i could look thru each devices subsection but as just a general thing. i obviously could use them for "ipods" but i have unlimited data still :good: and no battery life troubles, so streaming works great for me.
- i use my xoom as a kind of party device, with a locked down "user profile" to let people pick the music at parties (im in college at ole miss) or decide what to show on the tv etc so that has a little purpose but was wondering about other things.
-my OG droid mostly just sits in my drawer except for every once in awhile i give rooting it another shot (had same problem with xoom until i SBFed it so i think thats the solution) but it has an extended battery and runs well. same thing goes for my beloved D2G (when it isnt off as a temp phone with someone from my family of various friends)
any ideas??
and once again THANK YOU to everyone for the amazing/ super speedy help, im being sure to "thank" each and every one of you.
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How is Cromi X treating you?
LetMeKnow said:
How is Cromi X treating you?
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currently installing now.... WOWED by the install process. unlike anything ive seen on android thus far. i have very high hopes that this will fix my problem of lag as my best guess was that it was caused by the I/O scheduling and this "fixes" that weak point.
if you have any thoughts regarding my previous post; please share!
ill edit this in a little bit once its installed and i play around a bit.
thanks again for all the help!
:good:
-b
AWESOME! its finally working how it should be!
super fast and clean. not a lot of customizing from what i see though :/
and its working fast for now even with the same I/O setup as before (interactive/cfq) but are there more performance options buried somewhere i just am not seeing?? or is that perhaps relating to a specific kernel i should have chosen? if thats the case, would you recommend the best kernel for me?? thanks so much for the help once again
bschmidy10 said:
currently installing now.... WOWED by the install process. unlike anything ive seen on android thus far. i have very high hopes that this will fix my problem of lag as my best guess was that it was caused by the I/O scheduling and this "fixes" that weak point.
if you have any thoughts regarding my previous post; please share!
ill edit this in a little bit once its installed and i play around a bit.
thanks again for all the help!
:good:
-b
AWESOME! its finally working how it should be!
super fast and clean. not a lot of customizing from what i see though :/
and its working fast for now even with the same I/O setup as before (interactive/cfq) but are there more performance options buried somewhere i just am not seeing?? or is that perhaps relating to a specific kernel i should have chosen? if thats the case, would you recommend the best kernel for me?? thanks so much for the help once again
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Yeah, the Aroma installer is slick
Cromi-X is based on the stock rom and supposed to have a "stock only much better' feel. So no, not that many options for customizing. I love pjc21's color mod - wouldn't live without it.
CM is about customizing, this one is about stability...
The kernel installer makes it easy to switch and try kernels (no wipes necessary).
I go for _that's v4 kernel because I crave and look for stability.
The two other most popular kernels for this tab are Max's and Hund's.
Max's runs great but supports only FAT32 formatted external cards. So you have to have movies (large files) on your internal.
Hund's probably has the most tweaking and OC options and seems to be loved by gamers. Just tends to run pretty hot.
I would recommend you browse the relevant threads in the development section to get an idea about them.
Your idea about exchanging ideas on how to make old Android devices useful is a great one and would warrant it's own thread. Would be kinda off-topic here and tough to find for anybody else.
Don't know where the best section would be on XDA, but I would love to brainstorm on that topic.
I'm using my old Droid 1 as a navigation device/music player in my car. On longer trips I use my current phone to create a hotspot and stream radio and provide internet connectivity for it. But the D1 lives in the car (and is old enough not to attract thieves - I hope).
My old Droid 4 lives in it's dock on the kitchen counter, is connected to Bluetooth speakers and functions as internet radio/music/picture streaming device/shopping list taker (in Evernote and synced to my other devices) and a quick "check something on the web" go-to.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
bschmidy10 said:
currently installing now.... WOWED by the install process. unlike anything ive seen on android thus far. i have very high hopes that this will fix my problem of lag as my best guess was that it was caused by the I/O scheduling and this "fixes" that weak point.
if you have any thoughts regarding my previous post; please share!
ill edit this in a little bit once its installed and i play around a bit.
thanks again for all the help!
:good:
-b
AWESOME! its finally working how it should be!
super fast and clean. not a lot of customizing from what i see though :/
and its working fast for now even with the same I/O setup as before (interactive/cfq) but are there more performance options buried somewhere i just am not seeing?? or is that perhaps relating to a specific kernel i should have chosen? if thats the case, would you recommend the best kernel for me?? thanks so much for the help once again
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It looks like that you like it so far with what you have. About the kernel, it would be depended what do you want to do with it or what do you want to use it for.. About the performance, you still can optimize them a little bit more to what you want to use it for most of the time.
berndblb said:
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Yeah, the Aroma installer is slick
Cromi-X is based on the stock rom and supposed to have a "stock only much better' feel. So no, not that many options for customizing. I love pjc21's color mod - wouldn't live without it.
CM is about customizing, this one is about stability...
The kernel installer makes it easy to switch and try kernels (no wipes necessary).
I go for _that's v4 kernel because I crave and look for stability.
The two other most popular kernels for this tab are Max's and Hund's.
Max's runs great but supports only FAT32 formatted external cards. So you have to have movies (large files) on your internal.
Hund's probably has the most tweaking and OC options and seems to be loved by gamers. Just tends to run pretty hot.
I would recommend you browse the relevant threads in the development section to get an idea about them.
Your idea about exchanging ideas on how to make old Android devices useful is a great one and would warrant it's own thread. Would be kinda off-topic here and tough to find for anybody else.
Don't know where the best section would be on XDA, but I would love to brainstorm on that topic.
I'm using my old Droid 1 as a navigation device/music player in my car. On longer trips I use my current phone to create a hotspot and stream radio and provide internet connectivity for it. But the D1 lives in the car (and is old enough not to attract thieves - I hope).
My old Droid 4 lives in it's dock on the kitchen counter, is connected to Bluetooth speakers and functions as internet radio/music/picture streaming device/shopping list taker (in Evernote and synced to my other devices) and a quick "check something on the web" go-to.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
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Wow! thank you so much for all the help. im really liking the performance/stability. much more important than pretty colors haha. if this kernel (_that's v4) doesnt ever seem slow to me then it has my vote!.
you're absolutely right about this not being the right place to ask about alternate android uses... i will start a thread in the general android section? kind of confusing on where to put it...
those are great ideas though! thanks for the knowledge. ill look into mounting my D1 in my car somehow in a way to provide power to it constantly without looking ugly haha. although i assume ill just give up and use my razr maxx as there is no downside of losing battery life pains.. i wish i could just set these devices up somewhere and be able to control them from another device/location.. getting docks for phones with such small screens seems pointless especially when the key feature (having a slide out keyboard on the D1 and D2G) would require being taken off the dock anyways.
thanks again
-b
LetMeKnow said:
It looks like that you like it so far with what you have. About the kernel, it would be depended what do you want to do with it or what do you want to use it for.. About the performance, you still can optimize them a little bit more to what you want to use it for most of the time.
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regarding the kernel... i have no idea why the device is now running like butter being on the same settings as it was before the change in roms. i know roms change...well... everything.. but i thought pure performance was heavily related to the schedulers and other related settings having to do with the components.
what do you mean regarding the performance? is there a built in tweaking menu? or are you referring to the usual array of tweaking "apps" such as memory optimizing, seeder, set cpu..etc.?
thanks!
-b
bschmidy10 said:
regarding the kernel... i have no idea why the device is now running like butter being on the same settings as it was before the change in roms. i know roms change...well... everything.. but i thought pure performance was heavily related to the schedulers and other related settings having to do with the components.
what do you mean regarding the performance? is there a built in tweaking menu? or are you referring to the usual array of tweaking "apps" such as memory optimizing, seeder, set cpu..etc.?
thanks!
-b
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The reason it's running like butter is that sbdags & co optimized all the settings, schedulers etc with this hardware the Asus engineers missed.
Seeder causes issues with this rom, don't use it. And seriously - I doubt there is much left to improve on it.
Feel free to try - but I would make sure you have a nandroid if things go haywire. I think CROMi-X with your choice of kernel is as good as it gets on the TF700.
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berndblb said:
The reason it's running like butter is that sbdags & co optimized all the settings, schedulers etc with this hardware the Asus engineers missed.
Seeder causes issues with this rom, don't use it. And seriously - I doubt there is much left to improve on it.
Feel free to try - but I would make sure you have a nandroid if things go haywire. I think CROMi-X with your choice of kernel is as good as it gets on the TF700.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
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i will heed your advice and not attempt to "optimize" it any farther than it already is. from the looks of things, luckily i wont have to!!
thanks for all the help from you and 'LetMeKnow'.
-b
bschmidy10;4470297berndblb7 said:
regarding the kernel... i have no idea why the device is now running like butter being on the same settings as it was before the change in roms. i know roms change...well... everything.. but i thought pure performance was heavily related to the schedulers and other related settings having to do with the components.
what do you mean regarding the performance? is there a built in tweaking menu? or are you referring to the usual array of tweaking "apps" such as memory optimizing, seeder, set cpu..etc.?
thanks!
-b
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If you read the post explaining by berndblb, Cromi x is already tweaked. Sbdags is very good in updating his rom with new tweaks to make the rom runnig as smooth as posible.. However, you still can optimize them the ways that you like.. Let me trying to answer your questions. For the performance, there is still room for you to get more out of it by optimize those tweaks from the rom and kernel. Second, I don't think there is a tweaking menu during installing except for the Fsync option. I personally like to disable the Fsync because it improves the speed a lot. Third, I don't like using tweaking apps as all. Sometime, they do more harm than good. If you really want to mess around with your device, you have to get dirty to dive deep in your system and play with it. With the custom rom and kernel, they have created a certain folders that you can modify the values that you like. However, you must back up your device before messing arounnd with your system. I have so many bootloops when I apply wrong tweaks but you can restore your back up and back running again without any problem. However, if you know the new tweaks that others are using without problems, then normally you are safe to use them. I hope that helps clear a few things for you..
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bschmidy10 said:
i will heed your advice and not attempt to "optimize" it any farther than it already is. from the looks of things, luckily i wont have to!!
thanks for all the help from you and 'LetMeKnow'.
-b
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We all are here to help each others out and glad that you are happy with your new set up..