I've owned my Nexus for a few months and have noticed that if I were to update my Kernel to Netarchy I could potentially overclock to 1.2 Ghz.
I'm interested in doing this but would like to know if anybody could answer these questions before I get stuck in.
1. Does my phone need to be rooted?
2. Will the Kernel work in the UK with T-mobile?
3. Will overclocking reduce battery performance?
4. Do I need to be running a custom ROM to use the new kernel?
Thanks in advance
JTopaz said:
I've owned my Nexus for a few months and have noticed that if I were to update my Kernel to Netarchy I could potentially overclock to 1.2 Ghz.
I'm interested in doing this but would like to know if anybody could answer these questions before I get stuck in.
1. Does my phone need to be rooted?
2. Will the Kernel work in the UK with T-mobile?
3. Will overclocking reduce battery performance?
4. Do I need to be running a custom ROM to use the new kernel?
Thanks in advance
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1. You just need Clockwork Recovery, but at that point.. you might as well get root.
2. Kernels work with any carrier. Carrier is not a factor, it just depends on what ROM you use.
3. possibly (not sure about this)
4. No but since you have to unlock your bootloader to put this kernel on, your settings will be wiped. So you might as well try a custom ROM.
You can't get dirty down with kernels and not try ROMs. You have to fully get dirty. What you're saying is like putting one hand in a muddy pool, you just have to put both hands in the muddy pool
Cheers for the tips!
I'm going to get so stuck in that pool of mud I might never make it out!
Just another question (the dreaded noob question) whats the easiest way to root?
JTopaz said:
Cheers for the tips!
I'm going to get so stuck in that pool of mud I might never make it out!
Just another question (the dreaded noob question) whats the easiest way to root?
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There's only one way to root lol. The Nexus S is one of the few phones that are the easiest to unlock unless you count lazy one clicks.
Here are some guides to help you get started:
I9020/I9020T: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895545
I9020A/I9023: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1007782
^^ You can find out what model you have by going to Settings -> About Phone -> Baseband Version
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1031760 is also another good thread to figure out what version of the NS you have.
E.G. mines is I9020XXKB3
If you get stuck, you can message me or whatever and I'd be more than happy to assist you.
You also have to go through each and every ROM to see which offers the most functionality for you based on added features. I have to say though, Netarchy's kernel (as you mentioned in OP) is a necessity. It's more stable than the stock kernel (surprisingly!) and offers a lot of goodies!
@zephiK: I have already taken a look over the Netarchy's kernel info/changelog, but could you please note the important differences between stock and Netarchy CFS ? Just the important ones, don't go into detail if you don't want/have time. Because, even if I have read the info, I still don't see some major differences (I don't count the Voodoo configs). Maybe I'm blind, lol. Please enlighten me.
I've just rooted and applied Cyanogen CM7 to my Nexus S.
I was wondering if anybody knows how to get the stock app drawer back? I dislike ADW launcher.
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@zephiK: I have already taken a look over the Netarchy's kernel info/changelog, but could you please note the important differences between stock and Netarchy CFS ? Just the important ones, don't go into detail if you don't want/have time. Because, even if I have read the info, I still don't see some major differences (I don't count the Voodoo configs). Maybe I'm blind, lol. Please enlighten me.
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The Voodoo configs are enough to make you switch to be honest. Voodoo Sound is simply amazing, it can't be explained. Go use it for yourself and you'll notice the difference. Voodoo Color makes the color much better. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002090 for the best Color settings.
All the features of Netarchy's kernel are in his thread. I don't have to restate what Netarchy said in his OP post.
But the main highlights are the EXT4 performance boost. This was missing from the stock kernel which significantly increases your phone's speed.
Raised default read-ahead value from 128 to 2048 (read: sd speed tweak built-in, scripts not necessary)
BLN: Want your LED notifications back? BLN is your solution.
OC/UV: Playing with Undervolts causes better battery life.
but overall.. experience with netarchy is faster and better battery life (without even modifying UV)
@JTopaz: You can either get ADW Launcher or LauncherPro from the market. The ADW from CM7 is different from the market one.
If you really want stock launcher, download: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933517
So, essentially, it's faster with EXT4 and, at the same time, has better battery life than stock kernel ? What exactly improves battery life ?
Also, about ADW launcher. Does the one from CM7 come with a 3D launcher ?
Yea, I know these may be dumb questions, but there are question like these that don't actually have an answer lying around. Or at least I didn't find it. Yes, like I said, I have read netarchy's posts. But I was reaching for a more elaborate explanation; like: EXT4 improves performance in aplications where rendering bla bla bla bla, because it uses more available resources that bla bla bla. So that I could understand where that performance boost comes from and where it should be available, if I would actually need it, or whatever. Same applies to battery life. Why does it have better battery life ? It under-clocks in certain moments, etc. etc. ?
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So, essentially, it's faster with EXT4 and, at the same time, has better battery life than stock kernel ? What exactly improves battery life ?
Also, about ADW launcher. Does the one from CM7 come with a 3D launcher ?
Yea, I know these may be dumb questions, but there are question like these that don't actually have an answer lying around. Or at least I didn't find it. Yes, like I said, I have read netarchy's posts. But I was reaching for a more elaborate explanation; like: EXT4 improves performance in aplications where rendering bla bla bla bla, because it uses more available resources that bla bla bla. So that I could understand where that performance boost comes from and where it should be available, if I would actually need it, or whatever. Same applies to battery life. Why does it have better battery life ? It under-clocks in certain moments, etc. etc. ?
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The phone is already using EXT4 but its missing a optimization thing. I don't want to go full in details about it. If you want to know whats it about, search for it on the forums. I believe it was supercurio that found it.
What improves battery life is the tweaks. Just use it, if you don't like it you can revert back to stock. I'm not apart of the Netarchy marketing department. I'm telling you to use it, if you dont want to use it im not going to try and persuade u to do so. It's your choice, I'm just saying do it.. im not going to beg you to do it.
As about ADW.. I don't know, the ADW included with CM7 is different from the ADW on the market. The ADW on the market does have 3D launcher, I use ADW EX (paid version of ADW which includes new features).
Edit: Here is the post about EXT4 found by supercurio. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876069
It also includes a tweak that increases your SDcard I/O speed. And it's real, not the fake quadrant hack [this tweak is not EXT4.. its something else]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1023664
^
I even said im not a marketer but im just going to lay these right here. If this doesn't convince you then I don't know what would.
Ending story: Make a nandroid backup, flash Netarchy's 1.3.0.6 kernel.
Try it... don't like it? do a nandroid restore
Like it? well..... you just gave another +10 to loving your phone much more.
I tried flashing my kernel to netarchy however when I rebooted my NS it just displayed a Google logo with the unlocked padlock. The rom I was using at the time was CM7.
I left it a few minutes but it was frozen on that screen. Restored a Nandroid backup and now up and running again.
What did I do wrong? I'm rooted with an unlocked bootloader. I really like the look of the stock rom so can I just update my kernel and then overclock?
JTopaz said:
I tried flashing my kernel to netarchy however when I rebooted my NS it just displayed a Google logo with the unlocked padlock. The rom I was using at the time was CM7.
I left it a few minutes but it was frozen on that screen. Restored a Nandroid backup and now up and running again.
What did I do wrong? I'm rooted with an unlocked bootloader. I really like the look of the stock rom so can I just update my kernel and then overclock?
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Did you download the CFS CM7 version? There are four versions of the kernel. And yes you can use stock + netarchy. You just have to download the one for stock ROMs.
zephiK, I think you got me wrong. I'm not opposed to netarchy's kernel, or any kernel in particular. I am a more technical kind of person, that's why I put these kind of detailed questions, not because I want to find something wrong with those kernels, just for the sake of it. And yes, I know you don't advertise his kernel, or, again, any other kernel. I know that. I was just doing what I always do, trying to find out as much as I can about the update/modification that I'm going to perform on my phone, so that I won't break it and then come crying here for help like an idiot.
So thanks a lot for the info, I really appreciate that you took the time to write me back.
I have, in the meantime, applied the CM7 ROM with it's ADW launcher. Unfortunately, it doesn't have a 3D launcher, but the whole ROM has lots and lots of features that really make it better than stock. If netarchy's (or other) kernel has the same outstanding difference than stock, then yes, I would be stunned. Anyway, I will look more into it, then I'll see what I'm going to do. Thanks a lot again !
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I was very skeptic in beginning on installing Custom Roms. But once i say the guide on how to do it and on how easy it was, its eased the pressure and i caved in a installed a Rom. Now that i have gotten the taste of playing around with my phone I want to take a crack at installing a Custom Kernal, but i have no clue how or where to start.
There are guides for installing and flashing everything for the Evo. I myself have just started using custom Roms and now i want to try a Custom Kernal, Yet i have no clue as how to flash/install a Kernal onto my Evo. I did a forum search and i didnt see anything. Can someone please guide me in the right direction on how to install a Custom Kernal. I know this is prob not the proper section to post this in but i thought if this is the place where all the guides are to Roms and other goodies why not post this here.
Also if i do manage to Install/flash a Kernal is there anyway to undo that kernal and go back to stock kernal ?
Thank You, Very Much Appreciated
ummmmm you flash it just like a rom in recovery... it doesnt get any easier than that....
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ummmmm you flash it just like a rom in recovery... it doesnt get any easier than that....
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Is there anything else ? If I install it will it be automatically Overclocked ??
you need set cpu to coverclock the right way buy it off the market to support the dev
I just downloaded setcpu and it looks like an extremely interesting depth app. I wouldn't even know where to start using an application like that with all if its settings. Its there a more user friendly app that does the same thing?
Sent from my Evo using Tapatalk
rumessingwitme said:
I just downloaded setcpu and it looks like an extremely interesting depth app. I wouldn't even know where to start using an application like that with all if its settings. Its there a more user friendly app that does the same thing?
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Its really not that bad. For now, just look at the main page. It tells you your current Mhz at the top in big letters. Then it'll say how its scaling (probably ondemand). Below that there will be a max and a min. Change the max slider bar to change the maximum speed you want the processor to work at. Change the minimum to change the minimum speed you want it to work at. I'd recommend leaving scaling alone for now. On demand just means that when the phone needs more processing power, it will automatically work faster, and when it doesn't need it, it will slow down. Setting it to Performance makes it run at the top speed continuously (this could be very harmful to your phone if you leave it alone for too long) Thats about it. If you want I can help you with profiles too.
Rudementry said:
Its really not that bad. For now, just look at the main page. It tells you your current Mhz at the top in big letters. Then it'll say how its scaling (probably ondemand). Below that there will be a max and a min. Change the max slider bar to change the maximum speed you want the processor to work at. Change the minimum to change the minimum speed you want it to work at. I'd recommend leaving scaling alone for now. On demand just means that when the phone needs more processing power, it will automatically work faster, and when it doesn't need it, it will slow down. Setting it to Performance makes it run at the top speed continuously (this could be very harmful to your phone if you leave it alone for too long) Thats about it. If you want I can help you with profiles too.
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WOW Thanks a million. I really appreciate all of your help. I dont really know what profiles are pertaining to overclocking. Also where can i get the stock Kernel from if i ever want to go back? I have the Evo with the 003 Screen but i had the version that came with the non update. Its totally rooted and everything.
question...
Ok, so do you need to do a wipe of everything when you flash a custom kernel?
(The irony is I flashed netarchy kernel 3.7.8 about 2 wks ago, but was late and drinky when I did it, and can't remember if I did all that. Wanna flash his new 4.x kernel)
Thanks in advance.
Scott
scottspa74 said:
Ok, so do you need to do a wipe of everything when you flash a custom kernel?
(The irony is I flashed netarchy kernel 3.7.8 about 2 wks ago, but was late and drinky when I did it, and can't remember if I did all that. Wanna flash his new 4.x kernel)
Thanks in advance.
Scott
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Hey, thanks. I just couldn't remember if I did a full wipe of everything before. I now just wiped cache, and dalvik, and it worked without a hitch. Flashed 4.0 kernel. Crazy fast. But, now wired tether for root is no longer working. If anyone can get it working in froyo, please let me know. I've searched and find nothin. Don't want pdanet or easy tether because they require the host to have special drivers, wired_tether_for_root_users works on anything you plug into, no extra drivers reqd. Just doesn't work with newer version of kernel. Anyone knows anyhow, please fill me in.
Thanks to all
So on the 10th I bought my first Android phone. I picked up a Nexus S, because I like things pure and untouched as far as the OS goes, I didn't want to be required to use a custom rom in order to remove HTC Sense, Motoblur, TouchWiz or whatever.
I also like the fact that the update process is much quicker on Google Nexus phones then on the other branded phones. I have no issues with the base Android 2.3 and Im really getting use to it. But I am curious about some of the issues I have read about with the Nexus S and custom kernels. I am going to root my phone. I did find the how-to on that.
Now I am curious about the custom kernels. I do have linux experience on the back end with some of my workstations I use. But I was thinking about if I could go the route of doing these things without needing to completely reflash a custom kernel.
I would like to switch my phone completely to EXT4 and yes I even mean the 16GB internal for the speed boost and performance. I would like to install a better kernel that allows for the VooDoo Audio (I have noticed a few of the audio issues with my phone) and also the BrainFuckScheduler option as well. Could someone please help point me in the right direction for these or maybe with some how-tos.
As far as mounting my phone's internal SD for storage. I can use it on my linux box for EXT4 support if i need to copy files over. but I am using wireless sync for my music and movies so that shouldn't be a major issue.
You could flash netarchy's kernel in the dev section. It essentially has all that you're asking for: BFS, voodoo sound, and ext4 hack. It comes clocked at stock speed unless you choose to overclock it.
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So what would be the best recommended option, as far as battery and performance goes is the stock ROM great or would a custom ROM really fair me much better performance and battery power.
When I mean stock I mean the stock ROM with the custom kernal with extra additions like ext4.
by the way that ext4 will change all mount points over to ext4 correct? requiring a wipe of the phone and start from stratch
BrokenWall said:
So what would be the best recommended option, as far as battery and performance goes is the stock ROM great or would a custom ROM really fair me much better performance and battery power.
When I mean stock I mean the stock ROM with the custom kernal with extra additions like ext4.
by the way that ext4 will change all mount points over to ext4 correct? requiring a wipe of the phone and start from stratch
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I'd be interested in hearing everyones opinion as well.
So far, I've installed CM7 (now on RC1) and Netarchy's 1.2.3 CFS kernel. I just installed the kernel from Team Whiskey today and can't tell if it's either faster or better with battery. Would be interested in hearing what the community has to say about that. One difference is that the Team Whiskey kernel can OC up to 1.6 if your phone can handle it.
CM7 does seem to do better than the stock kernel, but I dont' think any of the custom launchers beat the stock launchers in terms of buttery smooth app drawer. I think it's because the stock one is hw accelerated but none of the other launchers are.
Installing the ext4 mod will not wipe your phone. There's a forum in the development section with the mods that you need. You will have to root your phone though (there's also a way to do that without wiping your phone, check the forum).
Hope that helps, and I hope other people weigh in on the kernel question.
I have rooted my phone, I choose to not unlock the bootloader cause after looking it, it doesn't seem like something I really need for what I want to do.
I installed the Trinity Stock kernel which has Voodoo Audio, BFS, and says EXT4 with no overclocking.
I ran a quadrant and my highest scores after 3 runs in a row where:
Stock Kernel: 1660
Trinity Kernel: 1675
Im not sure if there really is a major performance improvement or not or am I missing something here. The audio does sound better and the analog control of the headphone amp is amazing.
BrokenWall said:
I have rooted my phone, I choose to not unlock the bootloader cause after looking it, it doesn't seem like something I really need for what I want to do.
I installed the Trinity Stock kernel which has Voodoo Audio, BFS, and says EXT4 with no overclocking.
I ran a quadrant and my highest scores after 3 runs in a row where:
Stock Kernel: 1660
Trinity Kernel: 1675
Im not sure if there really is a major performance improvement or not or am I missing something here. The audio does sound better and the analog control of the headphone amp is amazing.
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I get 2100+ with CM7 + Netarchy 1.2.3 CFS; also, benchmarking doesn't really mean much. it doesn't record the performance on a daily basis.
I highly recommend trying out CM7; you could perform a nandroid backup; wipe dalvik/cache/factory and then flash CM7 and gapps. Don't like it? (I seriously doubt it; you wont be disappointed) then just nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before
P.S. I'm not responsible if you get addicted to flashing ROMs
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I get 2100+ with CM7 + Netarchy 1.2.3 CFS; also, benchmarking doesn't really mean much. it doesn't record the performance on a daily basis.
I highly recommend trying out CM7; you could perform a nandroid backup; wipe dalvik/cache/factory and then flash CM7 and gapps. Don't like it? (I seriously doubt it; you wont be disappointed) then just nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before
P.S. I'm not responsible if you get addicted to flashing ROMs
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How is CM7 so much better than the stock ROM as far as increasing the performance? And is there a good how-to to get it flashed to the most recent build and also to return to stock if I'm not happy
I tried the Netarchy kernel and its benching at 2425 on the stock 2.3.2 ROM, and it boots so much faster and feels overall snappier after a bit of use. LOVE THIS!!!
So I got things figured out still working on customization a bit, figured I would try out some launchers and things, right now Im using LauncherPro.
But my main questions now are how do yall encode video for your phones? I have tried a few settings on HandBrake and they seem to crash doubletwist and not play in the default media player. So if someone could help me with the settings yall use, perfer not to get another application cause I use Handbrake for other encoding needs as well.
Does anyone know of any widgets that will show me the cell strength and my data connection type (wifi, 3g, edge) so that I can move those to my home screen and not be required to have the notification bar.
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So I got things figured out still working on customization a bit, figured I would try out some launchers and things, right now Im using LauncherPro.
But my main questions now are how do yall encode video for your phones? I have tried a few settings on HandBrake and they seem to crash doubletwist and not play in the default media player. So if someone could help me with the settings yall use, perfer not to get another application cause I use Handbrake for other encoding needs as well.
Does anyone know of any widgets that will show me the cell strength and my data connection type (wifi, 3g, edge) so that I can move those to my home screen and not be required to have the notification bar.
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Video Player: I recommend RockPlayer, you don't have to encode anything. it plays it natively with the exception of 720p (sadly.. 720p, it lags.. but everything else is fine).
Hello World
I am an old-head member from the G1, Mytouch, and Vibrant forums. I have recently switched to Sprint and I'm looking at options for my Nexus S4G. I have a few questions before I get started.
My ideal setup is to stick with the Stock ROM and use and OC Kernel. But I am curious about the file system. I have seen Voodoo mentioned a few times in these forums. Voodoo was a big deal on the original Galaxy S phones because they came stock with their crummy implementation of RFS. Does the Nexus S use the same RFS file system? If so, are you guys enabling Voodoo to improve performance? And if so, is it included on the Kernel side or does it take a complete ROM flash?
I can pretty much figure everything else out by reading the forums, so thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to answer for me.
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Hello World
I am an old-head member from the G1, Mytouch, and Vibrant forums. I have recently switched to Sprint and I'm looking at options for my Nexus S4G. I have a few questions before I get started.
My ideal setup is to stick with the Stock ROM and use and OC Kernel. But I am curious about the file system. I have seen Voodoo mentioned a few times in these forums. Voodoo was a big deal on the original Galaxy S phones because they came stock with their crummy implementation of RFS. Does the Nexus S use the same RFS file system? If so, are you guys enabling Voodoo to improve performance? And if so, is it included on the Kernel side or does it take a complete ROM flash?
I can pretty much figure everything else out by reading the forums, so thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to answer for me.
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To answer your first question, no the NS comes with ext4 and not RFS. The Voodoo fixes you'll see around here deal with the color temperature of the screen (some devices were yellowy before the 2.3.3 patch and some, like mine, were perfect so this fix allows you to adjust the color temperature manually) and to make the sound quality better. These are kernel enhancements so by using a non-stock kernel you'll most likely get them (they're included in pretty much every kernel I've seen).
To answer a question NOT answered, OCing is a blast but it can kill your battery. If you want performance AND amazing battery life try Morfic's TEUV kernel. Its phenomenally fast (considering it is UCed to 880mHz) and can give you massively good battery life.
Thanks. 10char
Howdy, So I just got my first smart phone a few weeks ago, the AT&T Skyrocket. Kinda odd since I have been in IT works for many years that it took so long but could never afford the upgrade, my cars sap every spare penny lol.
After getting the phone I spent a few days getting to know it and then rooted it so I could use Titanium backup.
Now long story short due to an unrelated issue with ATT they sent me another phone to fix an issue I told them was on their end (and sure enough, it is, I think I figured it out though, anyone else get charged for a text message when the ATT family map "pings" the device?).
So for the time being I have 2 skyrocket phones and figured this was as good a time as any to try out another rom/kernal on the 2nd phone in case I don't like it my phone will remain untouched (I am picky about how my computers are setup).
So that is the history lesson, I have read sooo much the last few weeks it has gave me a good handle on the general process ect. My issue is picking out an actual rom/kernal to use, I have read so much they are all just one big garble of random info and I could use some advice to pick out what would work for me.
Here is what I want out of a rom/Kernal:
Clock speeds/voltages unlocked, I am an oldschool overclocker so naturally I feel everything can be made better.
Better battery life, Right now the battery life is ok but a bit too close for my tastes and I also feel it is just draining too fast for what I am doing (about ~8-10%/Hour average).
Some improvements like the light meter being linear vs having big steps would also be nice, I know the sensor itself can do it from the the screens but the software just goes in steps I guess.
Stable! I want something rock solid stable that I can count on for a long time to come.
Thats about it, The stock rom works fine for my needs minus those complaints. The clock/voltages being the biggest complaint if I had to go with only a kernal to keep a stable ROM.
So what suggestions do ya'll have? Is there by any chance a modded stock rom that is just debloated ect but will still be stable, that would work nice if it helped battery life some combined with a kernal I think.
I don't mind trying a few combos of roms/kernals but only have a week or 2 before I have to send this phone back and would need to fully test each one so I figure I only have time to do that on a handful in that time frame (I am very through)
Rom I have no clue what would work best for me. Kernal the Faux looks pretty good for my goals but I am not sure.
Any advice would be great.
From personal experience, anything made by forum member mhx is incredible. His ROMs are always super stable and and stripped of bloat. It also has the best battery out of all the ROMs I've tried.
Mhx's Gingerbread ROM
Mhx's ICS ROM
This is the kernel that I use Faux's Kernel
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From personal experience, anything made by forum member mhx is incredible. His ROMs are always super stable and and stripped of bloat. It also has the best battery out of all the ROMs I've tried.
Mhx's Gingerbread ROM
Mhx's ICS ROM
This is the kernel that I use Faux's Kernel
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Thanks, Those roms look nice for sure!
That brings up another question I have. I keep reading all this stuff about ICS but have not been able to figure out why it is such a big deal. Looks like just a different theme to me or is it more then that?
Is it more like going from windows 95 to 98? Or like 98 to Windows 7?
Is it worth going with ICS over the gingerbread?
Lastly I notice that they say they come with kernels, Does that mean I have to use those kernels? I assume this is not the case since you are using a different kernel but better safe then sorry.
Thanks for the help!
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Thanks, Those roms look nice for sure!
That brings up another question I have. I keep reading all this stuff about ICS but have not been able to figure out why it is such a big deal. Looks like just a different theme to me or is it more then that?
Is it more like going from windows 95 to 98? Or like 98 to Windows 7?
Is it worth going with ICS over the gingerbread?
Lastly I notice that they say they come with kernels, Does that mean I have to use those kernels? I assume this is not the case since you are using a different kernel but better safe then sorry.
Thanks for the help!
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If you are wanting a rock solid stable phone I would avoid the ICS madness for now, it's not quite perfected yet. You don't have to use the kernel they come with.
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If you are wanting a rock solid stable phone I would avoid the ICS madness for now, it's not quite perfected yet. You don't have to use the kernel they come with.
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Thanks, I was kinda thinking that. For future reference, what does ICS offer that Gingerbread doesn't?
So I take it that this means there are stable gingerbread roms that should at least come close to stock for reliability/functionality long term? Any opinion on the above mentioned rom/Kernal combo?
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Thanks, Those roms look nice for sure!
That brings up another question I have. I keep reading all this stuff about ICS but have not been able to figure out why it is such a big deal. Looks like just a different theme to me or is it more then that?
Is it more like going from windows 95 to 98? Or like 98 to Windows 7?
Is it worth going with ICS over the gingerbread?
Lastly I notice that they say they come with kernels, Does that mean I have to use those kernels? I assume this is not the case since you are using a different kernel but better safe then sorry.
Thanks for the help!
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This article sums it up nicely.
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-2-3-gingerbread-vs-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-37742/
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This article sums it up nicely.
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Thanks for that, I had not seen a list of the features listed out like that before. I think I am starting to see what all the buzz is now.
I plan on flashing the rom/kernel you posted earlier tonight, if anyone else has a suggestion for a follow up combo to try feel free to share!
Last I heard OCing of ICS is not possible yet, so since you mentioned that, ICS is out for a good while.
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Last I heard OCing of ICS is not possible yet, so since you mentioned that, ICS is out for a good while.
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Ah, yeah that would put that off for a little while. Think I might try it out before returning the phone so at least I know if I am interested in it but just gonna stick with the most stable gingerbread rom for now.
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Thanks, I was kinda thinking that. For future reference, what does ICS offer that Gingerbread doesn't?
So I take it that this means there are stable gingerbread roms that should at least come close to stock for reliability/functionality long term? Any opinion on the above mentioned rom/Kernal combo?
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Yeah there are a number of stable GB roms. nexusmod4, mhx superlite, seanz skyics, tpcv3, silver ROM. Read through the threads and see what people think. I prefer nexusmod as my daily, but all those are good
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Yeah there are a number of stable GB roms. nexusmod4, mhx superlite, seanz skyics, tpcv3, silver ROM. Read through the threads and see what people think. I prefer nexusmod as my daily, but all those are good
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Thanks, out of those the MHX, nexus and silver rom look to be the most up my alley, should at least give me a good idea if an aftermarket rom is for me.
One question I have is they all mention needing new Modem files flashed? This is different then the radios? Anything I should know about that aspect of it?
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Yeah there are a number of stable GB roms. nexusmod4, mhx superlite, seanz skyics, tpcv3, silver ROM. Read through the threads and see what people think. I prefer nexusmod as my daily, but all those are good
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agreed, all those x listed have proven to be extrememly stable. For best battery life with OC'ing and undervolting support use any of those roms with faux's 010m kernel. I was getting 1% battery almost every two hours with that, fauxclock app undervolt -100mV, and tpc v3, before i switched to ics
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Thanks, out of those the MHX, nexus and silver rom look to be the most up my alley, should at least give me a good idea if an aftermarket rom is for me.
One question I have is they all mention needing new Modem files flashed? This is different then the radios? Anything I should know about that aspect of it?
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No, modern = radio. I always flash the radio before the ROM
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agreed, all those x listed have proven to be extrememly stable. For best battery life with OC'ing and undervolting support use any of those roms with faux's 010m kernel. I was getting 1% battery almost every two hours with that, fauxclock app undervolt -100mV, and tpc v3, before i switched to ics
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I just flashed the 010m kernel on the stock rom to play with that first and ran into something I am not sure about.
I tried both system tuner and fauxclock, at first everything was working as it should then I noticed that the 2nd core said "offline" and it won't seem to come on no matter what even while running stress tests. Any ideas?
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That brings up another question I have. I keep reading all this stuff about ICS but have not been able to figure out why it is such a big deal. Looks like just a different theme to me or is it more then that?
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It's more than that. It's a lot smoother and faster, better performance in everything, hardware accelerated UI, better multitasking.
It's the biggest update the OS has ever gotten, period. Yeah, it's still Android at the end of the day, but it's a pretty big refinement.
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It's more than that. It's a lot smoother and faster, better performance in everything, hardware accelerated UI, better multitasking.
It's the biggest update the OS has ever gotten, period. Yeah, it's still Android at the end of the day, but it's a pretty big refinement.
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Yeah, I am starting to see that.
Back to the issue of the 2nd core going offline, After some playing around the only way I could seem to get it to come back online was to install SetCPU along with fauxclock. This seems to make the 2nd core come online but I am worried that running both apps will cause issues with them fighting over who has control?
I much prefer setCPU for the clock speed controls due to the profiles I can create but no voltage control. Is it possible to use the faux for voltage and the setCPU for clock speed control? Or am I asking for problems?
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Yeah, I am starting to see that.
Back to the issue of the 2nd core going offline, After some playing around the only way I could seem to get it to come back online was to install SetCPU along with fauxclock. This seems to make the 2nd core come online but I am worried that running both apps will cause issues with them fighting over who has control?
I much prefer setCPU for the clock speed controls due to the profiles I can create but no voltage control. Is it possible to use the faux for voltage and the setCPU for clock speed control? Or am I asking for problems?
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Definately asking for problems. Only use ONE cpu controlling app. SetCPU does have better profiles but fauxclock has a few. Which rom were u using it with? It does disable the 2nd core by default to save battery, but enabled it as soon as it is required (i.e. games and/or benchmark.) TO check run a force close setcpu and run a benchmark, then home back to menu and run setcpu, it will show 2nd core as active.
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Definately asking for problems. Only use ONE cpu controlling app. SetCPU does have better profiles but fauxclock has a few. Which rom were u using it with? It does disable the 2nd core by default to save battery, but enabled it as soon as it is required (i.e. games and/or benchmark.) TO check run a force close setcpu and run a benchmark, then home back to menu and run setcpu, it will show 2nd core as active.
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I tried that, the 2nd core stays offline no matter what I do unless I run setcpu.
I would just run setCPU but then I would not be able to undervolt. I wounder if I could use one of these scripts http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20946429&postcount=574
That would take care of the undervolt and then use setcpu to handle the clock speeds? That would seem to be the best of both worlds.
not recommended. Use system tuner instead. It has almost as much profile control as setcpu, but the voltage control of fauxclock. It also has an option to force both cores online.
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not recommended. Use system tuner instead. It has almost as much profile control as setcpu, but the voltage control of fauxclock. It also has an option to force both cores online.
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I tried it but didn't care for it. Still didn't have the profiling options I want. I like the setcpu since I can set it to have different CPU speeds at different times/situations. Maybe that is not worth the power savings. Whats wrong with setcpu?
I also had the same problem with system tuner as well, it would not bring the 2nd core online.
So frustrated with this stupid phone. My daughter has been using it and it's slow, crashes a lot and always running out of internal storage.
Is there a STABLE ROM that has all working features that would help with the issues I'm having? I'd like something where everything (i.e. camera, wifi calling, rotation, decent battery life, etc.) is working as it should. Don't necessarily need the newest version of android, just something that will alleviate the problems I'm having without breaking anything.
Do the custom ROMs fix the problem of the extremely limited internal storage on this phone?
Thanks in advance.
Look for AntonX's Barebones in the Dev section. If you have any curiosity regarding the ROM - read through the ROM thread.
I'll second that.
Like lumin said, barebones is your best bet if you want every feature working.
The most stable ROM out there is stock. Other than that Barebones.
Good advice. I actually wound up going that way before I saw these replies.
I installed Basic with a Twist kernel, which then gave me CWM and then installed Barebones.
Went smoothly, no need at all for a data wipe. It freed some extra internal storage. Seems to be a lot smoother now, but that's really just my initial observation.
I came from stock/rooted KJ6. What's the details behind it actually running smoother with the new kernel and ROM? What exactly makes it faster if anything?
I agree, I'm running Barebones with the basic with a twist kernel. Excellent in terms of functionality and stability. Just throw on a nice launcher and enjoy! Also been on the battery for 13 hours, with moderate use. (Light Facebook and texting, app downloading) and barely at 45% battery life.
I believe the custom Kernel that antonx designed is the reason for the speed/smoothness.
These threads usually get axed by a moderator, because the best rom is the one you like.
It's a preference.
I still like gb valhalla black by RaverX3X with my Blastoff v2.5 kernel. But that's what I like. Then, of course I use a different launcher, and tweak the rom to my liking, by the time I'm done making the rom perfect, I blow it away with another cm9-aries build that is still broken.... :sigh:
The problem with these threads is someone will say that a rom someone else likes sucks and the trolls feed on this negativity and multiply in numbers until someone finally gives in and reports the thread. (usually me)
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These threads usually get axed by a moderator, because the best rom is the one you like.
It's a preference.
I still like gb valhalla black by RaverX3X with my Blastoff v2.5 kernel. But that's what I like. Then, of course I use a different launcher, and tweak the rom to my liking, by the time I'm done making the rom perfect, I blow it away with another cm9-aries build that is still broken.... :sigh:
The problem with these threads is someone will say that a rom someone else likes sucks and the trolls feed on this negativity and multiply in numbers until someone finally gives in and reports the thread. (usually me)
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I understand. I did give my definition of what a "best" ROM is so I'd expect that people would make suggestions geared to that, not necessarily what they like. From reading some of the threads, it seems like my needs would eliminate any ICS ROM.
I did have one random reboot with the basic with a twist/barebones combo, so that's something I have to keep an eye on.
This is my daughter's phone. I really have no interest in constantly tweaking this or getting too far away from stock. All I wanted was a to have something that wasn't as slow/laggy and to free up some system space.
Right now, I'm good with what I have. I'm still curious as to why either the kernel or the ROM would reduce lag/improve speed?
Which of these features contributes most to that and why when comparing to pure stock? ext4 file system? jhash3? build.prop/init.d tweaks? I really have no idea.
Thanks again to everyone.
Kernel
Features
initramfs from TeamAcid, including CWM5, SuperSU, forced ext4, etc.
Usual CIFS, TUN. I didn't include FUSE, if anybody needs it let me know.
BLN. Use BLN Control app from market to activate.
Voodoo Sound so paid app is not needed. Voodoo Sound app from market is required. Once installed, enable Smart Amplifier, it's the best thing you can do to improve music listening experience with our phone.
jhash3 for faster hash calculations. Used widely across the kernel, especially in networking.
OC/UV support with extended frequency table. Added 600Mhz, 900Mhz, 1.1Ghz, 1.2 Ghz, 1.3 Ghz, 1.4 Ghz. Use SetCPU or Xan's Voltage Control to enable and control frequency and voltages. Tegrak can be used only with no-OC/UV version.
ondemandX and smartassV2 governors. One of these should probably be preferred over stock ondemand. Change with SetCPU or similar.
TinyRCU. More lightweight version, it fits better our single CPU system.
Swap support, although I don't recommend using it.
SIO and BFQ I/O schedulers in addition to noop, deadline, and cfq that we already have.
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Features
Will not wipe your programs or data, /data is preserved upon install
Heavily debloated. Most essentials apps are still there (like WiFi Calling)
No extra programs added, you need to add your own
ODEXed to save space in /data
CarrierIQ is completely removed
Extended Power Menu (including Screenshot)
Extended Quick Panel (10 buttons, including Data toggle)
1% battery (horizontal)
CRT-Off
Time zone version 2012b
/etc/hosts to cut ads out of the box (keep up to date with AdAway or similar)
Few conservative presets in build.prop and init.d
Basic with a Twist 1.1.3 kernel included
Hey man, from what u said bout the storage, I recommend u buy a 16/32 GB class 4-10, format it w 1-4 GB ext4 and use the app2sd or link2sd script then u dont have to worry bout those internal low storage
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Hey man, from what u said bout the storage, I recommend u buy a 16/32 GB class 4-10, format it w 1-4 GB ext4 and use the app2sd or link2sd script then u dont have to worry bout those internal low storage
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I have an SD card, I have app2sd and link2sd, but there's only so much I can move over. I'm still down to 110MB of internal storage.
I'm not sure what you mean by formatting part of the sd card as ext4. Is that some additional trick that allows me to move more things to it? Is there a thread for that somewhere?
Take a look at fota fix in the play store (market). It frees up some room. At this point, Samsung probably won't send us an update.
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Take a look at fota fix in the play store (market). It frees up some room. At this point, Samsung probably won't send us an update.
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That bumped me up to about 177MB. I guess that'll hold me over for a bit.
Titanium backup has a couple cool features. Integrate updates into Rom and integrate dalvik cache into Rom. That should free up some more room.
Vote for cm9.1 unofficial w/ LZ kernel and never look back.
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For me i've found AntonX's Barebones to be the most stable.
I can relate, my 14yr old daughter's phone is also the SGS4g, actually my buddy Krylon's old phone, so you know it's got some miles on it, lol. (Sorry shameless name dropping, I know)
For her we went with AOKP from Team Acid and Team Kang. Phenomenal battery for a custom ROM, thanks to a great kernel and a little diligence to make sure the phone hits deep sleep. The ROM has been rock solid and has a ton of fun features for her to play with.
I was very worried about the battery draining fast during the day and the phone being dead when she might need it most. Any custom ROM would be a bit of a risk. To state the obvious here, cell phones are a critical line between child and parent these days and this phone and ROM have not let us down at all. I was very concerned for reliability and chose this phone and ROM over my old Vibrant. The Vibrant has far more options and development behind it, but so many times I would pick it up and have a problem.. for me it was big fun, but for my daughter we needed a more stable platform. Certainly nothing to take lightly.
I had the same problem with mine being slow and having a lack of internal storage. I installed remics with the hefe kernel and before I started installing apps I had 324 mb of internal storage free and my phone runs much faster and much more stable then when I was on stock or Gingerbread roms. My phone was running so badly before doing this that most games wouldn't even work and now all games that I have tried work well and I'm not running out of internal storage anymore.
PS. Switch to Nova Launcher which runs much better then the default launcher.
Best battery life: stock or stock based ROMs
Best stability: stock
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