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Ok I know this is going to sound a bit weird.
But I was searching for a proper phone for my brother. Since I have the Optimus 2X I stumbled upon the Optimus 7 which in fact has some pretty good hardware specs.
My thinking was since my brother is not all that of a hacking freak that the WP7 optimus would suit his needs for playing musik and videos on the way using the net and so on.
He is though pretty frustrated since the WP7 phone is not even mountable in linux so he can use the the free space for mp3s.
Is there any way for operating this phone under a linux operating system? Just for transfering files without Zune.
He realy likes the phone but he hates Zune (which I can understand). I will test the phone soon though.
Is there a way for using the phone under linux?
I'm sorry to hear that. Apparently there is a registry hack which allows one to copy over music and videos directly. Look around in the other WP7 subforums. However I am guessing that only works in Windows.
I am suprised to hear you thought he wasn't into the hackery stuff considering he runs Linux.
You are right but although he is using linux on a daily basis he is not that of hacking wizzard.
I checked the registry hack. The question is if it will be possible in the near future using the WP7 phones with linux?
I have to admit Android is much more comfy with those stuff.
If someone wants to know why I bought him a WP7. The reasons are simple. Stability and best hardware specs for the money.
A Desire would cost me double the money and is much older.
Anyway thanks
Will he get a zune subscription? If that is the case, he doesn't have to connect to the computor to download his music.
So I've got the Dell Venue Pro and almost everything about the phone is phone, I have no issues with wi-fi, i do have carrier signal issues but that's not the phones fault. (i don't think)
What i am missing is a Windows Explorer so I can access the internal files. Now i know this exists for other windows 7 phones but every time I try t find information on it, they all say "for HTC phones only".
Does anyone know of a way to get a "windows explorer" so I can access the internal files, add my own ringtones etc. I don know how to access the read only file viewer, but that is pointless.
thx
This is currently not possible. Microsoft has taken a "sandbox" approach to the file system, meaning each Windows Phone 7 program is limited to only it's "space" or "program folder". The file managers that you see use capabilities that come from dll files that the OEM put in there for its own programs (the OEMs get a little more freedom than developers do as far as what they can include in their programs) and only some OEMs have this. So for now, you are out of luck (believe me, I want this too).
Microsoft may add this in the future, but this will not be present in Mango when it comes out. If you are still intent on finding a file manager for your WP7 device, do your homework, but it is likely that you will not find one. As for custom ringtones, Microsoft is going to add this capability with Mango.
Steven855 said:
This is currently not possible. Microsoft has taken a "sandbox" approach to the file system, meaning each Windows Phone 7 program is limited to only it's "space" or "program folder". The file managers that you see use capabilities that come from dll files that the OEM put in there for its own programs (the OEMs get a little more freedom than developers do as far as what they can include in their programs) and only some OEMs have this. So for now, you are out of luck (believe me, I want this too).
Microsoft may add this in the future, but this will not be present in Mango when it comes out. If you are still intent on finding a file manager for your WP7 device, do your homework, but it is likely that you will not find one. As for custom ringtones, Microsoft is going to add this capability with Mango.
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not true!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1025341
dvp file browser for updated f/w
its slow its klunky and its retarded
but its there
So the a file explorer for Dell Venue Pro does exist. I was not aware that the DVP had the capabilities and said you MIGHT be able to find one. However, what I said is still true: any file managers use capabilities that come from dll files that the OEM puts in there for it's own programs and that not all devices have this capability
Thank you, But are the instructions you described in the link, for a read only viewer not accessible in other fashions?
Any updates on this?
So it's been a few months and mango has give us the ability to give specific ringers to friends.
Well here is the dilema. With the DVP we stall can't upload MP3 files into the neccessary directories because we still can't access the file structure, well i mean we have the idiotic "read only" version but still no way to dump files into the DVP.
Has anyone foud a way around this yet or do I buy and HD7 just so I can do this?
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So it's been a few months and mango has give us the ability to give specific ringers to friends.
Well here is the dilema. With the DVP we stall can't upload MP3 files into the neccessary directories because we still can't access the file structure, well i mean we have the idiotic "read only" version but still no way to dump files into the DVP.
Has anyone foud a way around this yet or do I buy and HD7 just so I can do this?
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To be quite honest, you are always better off buying HTC because there is so much more "hackable" support than on something from Dell. More people are buying HTC products, and because HTC provides nearly unparalleled support for their devices compared to other companies, you get a larger base of people hacking their HTC devices, and in a much faster time frame.
Bottom line is, if you are looking to bring out the best in your phone through a community like XDA, you should look into buying an HTC device.
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To be quite honest, you are always better off buying HTC because there is so much more "hackable" support than on something from Dell. More people are buying HTC products, and because HTC provides nearly unparalleled support for their devices compared to other companies, you get a larger base of people hacking their HTC devices, and in a much faster time frame.
Bottom line is, if you are looking to bring out the best in your phone through a community like XDA, you should look into buying an HTC device.
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To be honest I normally do. I've been buying HTC products since they were still UT Starcom.(still have my 6700 reprogrammed as a remote for a pc connected to my 55" LCD) But they don't currently have a WIN7 phone that has a physical keyboard (except the CDMA one on sprint which is not transferable to different networks) so I decided to go with the DVP.
If HTC would give me a physical keyboard i'd drop the dvp like a bad habit, but as it sits it seems I'm the odd man out in disliking typing on a physical screen and they don't really make products for odd men out.
The reason I originally re-posted on this thread was i was loading up the OS on a BB the other day and even RIM has a "file explorer" now so i thought I would double check on this.
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To be quite honest, you are always better off buying HTC because there is so much more "hackable" support than on something from Dell. More people are buying HTC products, and because HTC provides nearly unparalleled support for their devices compared to other companies, you get a larger base of people hacking their HTC devices, and in a much faster time frame.
Bottom line is, if you are looking to bring out the best in your phone through a community like XDA, you should look into buying an HTC device.
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You're right,
100% hackable
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To be honest I normally do. I've been buying HTC products since they were still UT Starcom.(still have my 6700 reprogrammed as a remote for a pc connected to my 55" LCD) But they don't currently have a WIN7 phone that has a physical keyboard (except the CDMA one on sprint which is not transferable to different networks) so I decided to go with the DVP.
If HTC would give me a physical keyboard i'd drop the dvp like a bad habit, but as it sits it seems I'm the odd man out in disliking typing on a physical screen and they don't really make products for odd men out.
The reason I originally re-posted on this thread was i was loading up the OS on a BB the other day and even RIM has a "file explorer" now so i thought I would double check on this.
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Truth be told, I actually love the DVP hardware. It looks sleek, and after playing with one at a Microsoft Store, I'd love to have one in my hands. The lack of support for the device on places like XDA though (and even from Dell itself) makes me think twice though. Its not a bad phone for someone who doesn't care about hackability though, so I may end up getting it for my other half.
The issue with the file manager is not so much related to hardware as it is Windows Phone 7. Windows Phone 7 is not a BlackBerry, nor is it Windows Mobile or Android. Its design is meant to take you out of the whole "file explorer" and "task manager" thing that we're all really used to. You shouldn't need either one, and if you are looking for it, then you aren't using Windows Phone 7 as it was intended, and if you can't get past that, then you would probably be better off on Android (but not BlackBerry, lol).
That being said, have you given yourself time to adjust to the software keyboard on Windows Phone 7? I used to be in the whole "hardware keyboard or nothing" boat, but once I gave the software keyboard on Windows Phone 7 a chance, it very quickly grew on me, and it is by far the best software keyboard I've used (especially coming from Android, blegh).
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Truth be told, I actually love the DVP hardware. It looks sleek, and after playing with one at a Microsoft Store, I'd love to have one in my hands. The lack of support for the device on places like XDA though (and even from Dell itself) makes me think twice though. Its not a bad phone for someone who doesn't care about hackability though, so I may end up getting it for my other half.
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That is part of why i bought it, powerful and sleek, and though i did see that there was little support I was deluding myself into thinking that wouldn't be that big of a deal because in time with how sexy this phone is, people will buy it and support will grow. 2 phones and 4 months later have proven me wrong The phone is not HTC in it's popularity. And actually thats my plan. I'm waiting on the new phones from MS to see what they will be like and upgrade to them. Just wish they would get them out quicker. If they come out any time soon i'll probably do the same and loan my phone to my other half. Better than tossing a beautiful piece of tech in a drawer.
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The issue with the file manager is not so much related to hardware as it is Windows Phone 7. Windows Phone 7 is not a BlackBerry, nor is it Windows Mobile or Android. Its design is meant to take you out of the whole "file explorer" and "task manager" thing that we're all really used to. You shouldn't need either one, and if you are looking for it, then you aren't using Windows Phone 7 as it was intended, and if you can't get past that, then you would probably be better off on Android (but not BlackBerry, lol).
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It's not that it's that simple things like using custom ring tones for people and only being allowed to select from the dozen that come with the phone. If i had the file explorer i could put the ringers I personally make into the folder and just go on. I'm an IT geek by trade i've never used a phone as it was intended lol. Like i said my old UTC starcom 6700 is a remote control lol. But seriously I don't have an issue cracking into the software if it gets me what i want. I use to have to delete database files in the Moto razr vc3 before Motorola released the phone tools. I just need the functionality of the file explorer for what i want to do.
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That being said, have you given yourself time to adjust to the software keyboard on Windows Phone 7? I used to be in the whole "hardware keyboard or nothing" boat, but once I gave the software keyboard on Windows Phone 7 a chance, it very quickly grew on me, and it is by far the best software keyboard I've used (especially coming from Android, blegh).
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I was figuring I was going to have to only because no one was making keyboards anymore, even to the point i was considering android...
Any rumors as to which of the new phones will be leading the pack?
do any of the HTC wp7 have amoled screens?
This phone is amazing. Very surprised by the poor sales of WP7? I mean why wouldn't anyone want it! Previous iOS and Android user. Love WP7... Don't think ill go back... Maybe EVO 3D just to stay on top of tech untill newer WP7 Sprint phone
I agree, Love WP7 despite the lack of Mango. I guess it's a multiple reason situation. Recent report of sales reps steering customers away from the OS. Users that can't live without tethering. Others who are addicted to customising WinMo who have transitioned to Android. Maybe some don't like the size,weight,keyboard. Doesn't help either that on Sprint we only have one choice so far. I like it so far that I am willing to wait it all out.
I like the phone too. However WP7 is just not functional enough for me. To be honest I bought the hardware only and I am trying to figure out a way to change the OS. I need a vpn client with certificate support, full exchange support and good JAVA. Unfortunately this device supports nothing out of the box. No VPN, no Exchange sync via wifi ... Just that the JAVA is native, but I do not need it as I cannot connect to my corp system without VPN.
Further music and videos are pain in the ars as the most common formats are not supported.
Please review my questions in the Android on HTC arrive thread in this section if you have some extensive knowledge and if you are willing to help me run something different on this device.
No idea, friend. I had to forgo 4G to get this phone but WP7 was so compelling that there are now 2 gleeful Arrive users in my household. We love these things to pieces and Mango is going to make them even more excellent. I can seriously say that MS has knocked it out of the park with this one and I stand behind the platform all the way.
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I like the phone too. However WP7 is just not functional enough for me. To be honest I bought the hardware only and I am trying to figure out a way to change the OS. I need a vpn client with certificate support, full exchange support and good JAVA. Unfortunately this device supports nothing out of the box. No VPN, no Exchange sync via wifi ... Just that the JAVA is native, but I do not need it as I cannot connect to my corp system without VPN.
Further music and videos are pain in the ars as the most common formats are not supported.
Please review my questions in the Android on HTC arrive thread in this section if you have some extensive knowledge and if you are willing to help me run something different on this device.
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Sorry drelisimo, but I think that you are mistaken. WP7 certainly does support exchange sync over Wifi. I have done it on 4 different WP7 devices MANY times.
I agree that java and VPN are another matter, but then if you had done your homework before buying the device, you wouldn't have had any nasty suprises.
As I said I bought hardware with the idea to tackle the OS later somehow. I did my homework and I am not surprized.
Anyway, would you please tell me how did you sync your exchange over wifi? It always tells me that I need my data connections to be turned on.
Thanks.
as stated, probably the largest reason Windows Phone 7 sales are so slow is because sales representatives aren't pushing the products.
an example article found here --> You Can't Buy A Windows Phone If They Won't Sell You One.
sh4d0w86.
currently, there is a sales offer where i can get the 7 Pro for half the price, is it worth?
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currently, there is a sales offer where i can get the 7 Pro for half the price, is it worth?
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The only 2 things its missing is tethering and downloading files straight to the phone.
If I had these two features there would be no doubt that this phone was huge upgrade from the tp1
Hopefully we'll get tethering figured out in the next few weeks and hopefully someone smarter than me is working on a way to download files to the phone
(did that all the time with mp3s on my tp1)
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The only 2 things its missing is tethering and downloading files straight to the phone.
If I had these two features there would be no doubt that this phone was huge upgrade from the tp1
Hopefully we'll get tethering figured out in the next few weeks and hopefully someone smarter than me is working on a way to download files to the phone
(did that all the time with mp3s on my tp1)
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I would say that the two biggest gaps are tethering and 3G-only. That being said, I love the device so much that I easily overlook those features.
I actually am fine with 3g. Almost everywhere I go has wifi. 4g kills battery life. 3g is pretty fast for most everything I do.
Mango will address every complaint I have, but until then, I am still a very happy camper.
I have not received the info, but after further research I just understood that I am asking stupid things.
Otherwise ... the phone is maybe the best piece of mobile hardware I have ever acquired.
Cheers.
First off let me say that if there is a better place to ask this please let me know!
I want to create a portable android device and I am having a little bit of a hard time understanding what I am looking for/need.
What I am trying to do is create a "wearable phone" per-say. Think of the "Fallout" game's PIP BOY... but for android... and be a phone too (really important for it be a phone).
The ideal thing I'm looking for is a android compatible board that has the ability to be flashed (CDMA) for phone service (Ideally Verizon/Cricket). I would like to not buy a phone and tear it apart and use it... I would have already done that if that's what I wanted to do.
I have seen things like Allgo boards and I have also seen things like BeagleBoard that is android compatible and it has a lot of nice ports like ethernet and usb.
I would like options like bluetooth, wifi, cmda, audio out, low power consumption. Kinda basic things for a phone. It also has to be relatively small.
Some things that would be nice but not needed are options like video out, high capacity storage options (usb flash, sdhc card, or solid state), etc. I would possibly look into dual booting into Linux or Windows CE but thats not nowhere near important right now.
As I said if there is a better place to ask this please let me know! Thank you for your time.
it's hard to find one part at a time. it's also more expensive. it's going to get harder when you build your android OS.
you need to have a team. a big one.
The BeagleBoard and AllGo boards already have android support and kits so that shouldnt be too hard to put together for the android side of things.
I figured the phone would be the hardest part. Is there a way to put the phone part into something like a android device/"mini tablet"?
good. you found the hardware. but as i said: find a team.
you need the hardware to interact with the software (and software to interact with the hardware) more like building an app in android SDK. by that you need a programmer, with experience of building a mobile OS (MIUI is based on android 2.3, they made it from scratch). then make a screen size and a chassis, which is hard because you want it like a large digital watch.
find help in this forum. there are alot of devs you know
Phone + strap + superglue = winning??
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hiu115 thank you for your input. what i would really like to know is if there are resources to make it... team or not. I CAN get a team and CAN program if i need to. I am just at a loss for the phone hardware. The android part (hardware/software) is "easy"... the phone additive is illuding. I need a prototype for proof of concept. A lot of my work is done for me it seems.
if i get nothing else out of this thread I would like to know if it is possible to add (for that matter find and buy as well) hardware for the phone part. I would like CDMA. At least tell me if you know what the part name I am looking for is... and where to find it if possible too.
conantroutman you dont get a thanks... funny though... but not helpful ... that IS kinda the point though. (EDIT meh you get a thanks too i guess)
Will be watching this, I once was thinking about doing it, would be awesome, also if you can get hardware to a similar device which is out it would be easier on the sift ware side
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Here are some examples:
linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/LiquidWare-DIY-Android-Modular-Gadget-Platform/
technexion.com/index.php/arm/ti-omap3530/inferno
(just put www in front)
Cheers I will just look
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Ah ha!!! I think I found a better way to ask and get the answer I'm looking for!
What makes a Android device a phone? (Don't say "that fact that it can make calls" I'm looking for the name of the part)
Is there a way to turn an Android device say either custom built or purchased tablet into a phone with like a 3g modem or similar. If so what is that thing I'm looking for!?!?!
I'm not sure if this is of anyhelp, but details of a Qualcom GSM/CDMA chipset
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=145
Ok... if you want to build a custom android device, the first thing you need is a template... Start with a development board.
The beagleboard is a great board to work with, however it's large and you won't be able to use it other then a tablet on its own....
The KIT-S5PC110 deb board is a good one
People recommend PandaBoard over BeagleBoard as they are basically the same specs but the PandaBoard is dual core.
Here's a link to ARM Dev boards http://www.armdesigner.com/products.html
I do believe that if I were to select a kit for development currently, based on what I've seen out there, I'd go with a originboard. http://www.origenboard.org/
Now, the other thing you will need is to learn some asian language Here in the USA, we are falling behind on mobile technology. You will find more Asian language forums then you will english
Once you have played with the OS a bit, and figured out the specs, you will have a custom circuit board made. Basically for board manufacture, you will simply eliminate all the features you do not want on the dev board to make it smaller. Then you make the board with the remaining hardware. You can probly talk to the Origen guys to get one made. They make their hardware as open as possible, so they will give the specs to the manufacturer of your choosing. This is where it gets costly.
After the board is created, you will build a custom housing for your box. You can prototype these housings on a 3d printer like RepRap or MakerBot... This requires precise CAD drawings. Or you can source it out to someone else.
Finally, build a box and slap a price tag on it.
It's usually a large effort to build a custom android device... However, check this article out from Hackaday.com today: http://hackaday.com/2011/10/10/how-to-build-a-23-android-tablet/
There have been a few fallout builds on hackaday in the past (I'm a daily reader).. http://hackaday.com/2011/09/06/fallout-brought-to-life-with-this-working-pip-boy-3000/
MacaronyMax: thanks that was informative i didnt knwo they could do that
AdamOutler: You seem to know what you are talking about. I do know some Japanese btw but what I really wanted to gain is can a phone module be added to call people from it. I would like to do this without needing internet like wifi connection. I would like to flash it and use a phone number to call people and recieve calls. CDMA would be preffered.
Most of the manufacturers keep cellular technologies locked down. That's the single bit of power they maintain. The rest of the board can be open source, but they lock down the cellular technologies.....
With that said, you can get a "CDMA Cellular Module" for just about any purpose and communicate with it via GPIO(power), UART(Data) and I2C(controls). That would be one way of going about it....
An easier method might be to grab a Samsung Captivate from Ebay, remove the housing and build around what's left. I say Captivate because they are around $200, decently fast, and they are rather slim.... Also, they can be modified to be UnBrickable and we've done alot of research and custom roms in the Captivate Development Forums... an i9000 may be even better, but it's got a larger case... Captivate and i9000 are basically the same phone and some of the most active development forums on the site.
Using a prebuilt device and remanufacturing the case would suit your requirements and possibly be easier I think.
Ok so what I have found are these things called "PCIe minicards" that can do cmda/gsm/gps/wifi and all that good stuff. Is this what your talking about?
If I found a board, that has the slot for it, will this be able to be used for voice calling over say Verizon/Cricket if I added it to my plan? If so would this be flashable with qpst/cdma ws or what would I use to program?
I also noticed some boards having what appears to be the same device (usualy wifi/gps ony) but it looks soldered on. Might replacing one of those for one with cdma capabilities work? (I think i saw this on a new pandaboard)
The reasons I dont want to use a pre-exiisting phone is because 1) I dont get to learn anything 2) I can't "upgrade" anything and 3)I don't want limitations set by manufacturer (ie. phone needing root, etc)... plus I kinda like the from-scratch look of things.
OK all you knowledgeable folks you...
I have in mind buying a stick to connect to my motorola droid bionic lapdock, which is about to become obsolete since I need to upgrade my phone. I want the best specs possible without breaking the bank, root is a feature I want but not a dealbreaker. I am looking at the specs for the MK809III and it looks good to me. With twice as many cores, twice the ram, and 1.6 times the processor speed of my droid bionic it should scream as an android laptop using the lapdock. Is there a better option, is there something I've missed, is there stuff I need to know to implement my plan? I have flashed custom roms to my Bionic, but am not too worried if I don't do that with the stick unless it gives me some major functionality it lacks without.
I have successfully rooted my droid bionic a few times, and once un-bricked it by using the hardware buttons to set it to accept an os and flashing it via the usb and proper software using a pc, but that's a Columbus method of doing things. (discover it, and land on it). Essentially when I need to do something I do the research and find out how, then do it. I am by no means an android guru, but I know my way around a bit. Uses for this device will include media center, possibly netflix or streaming movies online, email and internet browser use, and if I can wangle it maybe some youtube uploading and editing using their online editor.
Any suggestions or directions would be welcome.
GIJeff
Beh?
Come on guys...nobody has anything to say about this plan? Good, bad....looks like indifferent is the verdict.
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OK all you knowledgeable folks you...
I have in mind buying a stick to connect to my motorola droid bionic lapdock, which is about to become obsolete since I need to upgrade my phone. I want the best specs possible without breaking the bank, root is a feature I want but not a dealbreaker. I am looking at the specs for the MK809III and it looks good to me. With twice as many cores, twice the ram, and 1.6 times the processor speed of my droid bionic it should scream as an android laptop using the lapdock. Is there a better option, is there something I've missed, is there stuff I need to know to implement my plan? I have flashed custom roms to my Bionic, but am not too worried if I don't do that with the stick unless it gives me some major functionality it lacks without.
I have successfully rooted my droid bionic a few times, and once un-bricked it by using the hardware buttons to set it to accept an os and flashing it via the usb and proper software using a pc, but that's a Columbus method of doing things. (discover it, and land on it). Essentially when I need to do something I do the research and find out how, then do it. I am by no means an android guru, but I know my way around a bit. Uses for this device will include media center, possibly netflix or streaming movies online, email and internet browser use, and if I can wangle it maybe some youtube uploading and editing using their online editor.
Any suggestions or directions would be welcome.
GIJeff
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Sure you can't use another phone?
I've seen posts online (not necessarily this forum) for using Atrix lapdock with Droid Maxx and Miracast dongle. Also, Hunnix on this forum was using Lapdock 100 with an Xperia S phone; just recently told me he's using it with HDMI android tv dongles and it should work with any phone that has an HDMI port and USB OTG. Most phones right now have MHL rather than HDMI and won't work. I haven't had a chance to hunt this down any further yet, and not sure just what the differences are between Atrix, Bionic and 100 versions of Lapdock.
Good luck!