Thoughts on the Transformer's touch screen - Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

What's up guys,
So I'm another potential buyer of the Transformer and I was wondering about the touch screen's responsiveness.
I used to have a Viewsonice Gtab and my brother had an iPad.
Anyway we were both using the Sketch book mobile app side by side
and the iPad was noticeably more responsive.
It was so responsive that there was almost no difference between drawing on it and drawing on a piece of paper.
1. How does the Transformer's touch screen feel?
2. What's drawing with a stylus like?
(For sake of discussion, pretend we have a perfect stylus)
3.How responsive is it just browsing through apps, and the launcher?
(Again assuming we use a perfect launcher and there is not other lag)

Pretty damn responsive. I have a rocketfish stylus and it works nicely in Sketchbook. The iPad uses a different type of glass (not gorrila) that is really smooth. That smoothness comes with the price of the glass being easy to break. My dog has jumped onto my TF and ran across it and there are no stratches. I've dropped it and still no cracks. Let the iPad fall and land on one of its corners, and that screen will web like crazy.

Responsiveness has nothing to do with the hardware of the touch screen. It's all about the OS and software you're running. You could have the nicest capacitive touch screen on the planet and still suffer from input lag if the software is poorly optimized.
That said, the touch screen hardware in the Transformer is indistinguishable from that of an iPad. Any difference that you would "feel" in the responsiveness is subjective and based solely upon how well the apps and OS are utilizing the hardware. Always make sure you're running the latest firmware, and if apps like SketchBook are causing problems for you then you need to take it up with the developers.

Well, I think the transformer has a great TS. I've used several devices with touchscreen before, but this is the best, for now. It seems it's really scratch resistant glass, the only problem is without backlight I see all of my fingerprints

Cool, thanks for the responsiveness. (tee hee)
As far as touch screens go most all android devices are superb. I agree software plays a big part, but it can not overcome design flaws within hardware.
For example I remember the N1 had real multi-touch flaws. And all the Dev'ing the world could not correct it.
I just wanted to be sure the TF has a quality screen.

earlyberd said:
Responsiveness has nothing to do with the hardware of the touch screen. It's all about the OS and software you're running. You could have the nicest capacitive touch screen on the planet and still suffer from input lag if the software is poorly optimized.
That said, the touch screen hardware in the Transformer is indistinguishable from that of an iPad. Any difference that you would "feel" in the responsiveness is subjective and based solely upon how well the apps and OS are utilizing the hardware. Always make sure you're running the latest firmware, and if apps like SketchBook are causing problems for you then you need to take it up with the developers.
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True, but my TF screen compared to the iPad 2 screens that I have used feels a little less smooth. Sometimes when I'm swiping, there is a little tug. Very small, but it is still there, which I haven't felt on the iPad 2. (not bashing the TF, I love mine more than any iPad)

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Why the unreal expectations?

Something has been bugging me lately. The whole consumer thing for massive phone screens with insanely high res, ludicrously fast processors, 3d and graphics.
For me, a screen larger then 3.2" would be too big for my pockets. So how can people have 4" screened phones and deal with them? Do you guys with leos just have really big pockets or something ? I had a go at the leo, and it bothered me that i needed to use two hands, cause my thumb couldnt get to the x button. It doesnt feel practical to have a screen that big.
I know a guy that is waiting for a phone with a 5" capacitive AMOLED screen with 1280x720px res, 1.5ghz snapdragon and 1gb ram. I told him to go buy an ipad or a android tablet.
Can someone tell me what the pull is with these phones, what is so good about them?
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I feel quite comfortable with my Leo, fits perfect on my daily work/pleasure style
For Leo you need to have big hands to operate it with 1
Closest thing to a mobile computer, I guess. However, some of the larger phones are very, very slim. The Droid X is unfathomably slim, yet also really, really wide. The trend is probably going to back down to smaller devices- the HTC Aria's main selling point on all its ads is the tiny size of the device.
Of course, on touch only phones, size is a huge factor when you consider that the keyboard is only as big as the screen is.
Yes I have to say I don't mind slim phones, I loved the size and thickness of my elf, and I kind of miss it in that respect. Also aserp, you are right in saying about the keyboard. It is kinda difficult to type fast with the regular keyboard. However, I prefer using my stylus with SlideIt, it works well and blew my friends minds how fast I can type with it.
That's true- Swype (or SlideIt) has really changed touch-screen 'typing'. I've been thinking about buying a new phone for a while, but remind myself that there's no phone out there that runs Android, is GSM, and has a hardware keyboard. (Well, okay, the Backflip, but that kinda sucks ;/)

Real Life performance?

Could someone please see how much the HD display hinders performance of the tablet vs the Prime?
For example... are the transitions and scrolling just as good, do games run just as fast, are apps overall just as snappy?
Because this is probably my biggest concern with the Infinity, that the HD display will cause its overall performance to suffer.
Also does anyone know if capacitive stylus's work any better with the Infinity?
EDIT: Found some nice videos of this running real time!
I've had a brief play-through with the Prime, and I can't really say the Infinity is less snappy. I do believe I see more 'hiccups' when storage is accessed, like when you install something from the Play Store and try to do something else concurrently. It can take anything from a brief hiccup to some several seconds long. ; ) And I've had Aldiko crash my Infinity twice in a row by opening a pdf file; possibly, I/O or something else, as I must admit I don't know how the Prime would have handled that one, but it is an observation.
Scrolling is fine, nothing noticeably slower or less snappy. I haven't played heavier games for ages, so I can't really comment on that. Neither do I use styli, so I can't help you out on that one either, sorry.
I've only had a few hours yesterday toying around with mine. However, here are my initial thoughts:
Screen is great, and although a bit morror-ish when displaying larger dark areas such as night scenes in movies, I find it less reflective than I feared from reviews.
No flex, give or bleed when pushing the screen, although I'm not pushing excessively as some people in this forum seem to do.
A bit sluggish when multitasking (ie installing apps or syncing Spotify while surfing at the same time) and I seem to get the "XXX stopped responding, would you like to close or wait?" message a lot. I'm guessing this is related to the IO issue as discussed in the Infinity thread.
I'm using Nova for the launch screen, and all is running very smooth. No jagged home screen transitions of any kind.
The tablet turns quite hot while gaming at at max performance with IPS+ turned on, resulting in sweaty palms.
As mentioned by most others the speaker grill placement is puzzling at best. Placing both right/left speakers on one side totally ruins the audio balance, reducing the device to mono audio output. Headset is an absolute must imo.
There's really only one thing that bugs me, and that is sporadic lack of screen precision. It doesn't always register my taps, and it seems to confuse slides/scrolls with taps. Ie, when scrolling a list of apps it may suddenly interpret the release (lifting my finger) as a tap and open the app that I happened to point at when releasing. My Galaxy Note is also running ICS 4.0.3, and the tap-scroll-release issue is not a problem there, so I don't think it's my fingers being too "non-conductive" or the OS version. Still, it doesn't happen too often, and with a bit of determination when scrolling it's all good. No where near a deal breaker.
As I said, I have only had a short time with this tablet, but so far the Infinity seem to be everything I had hoped for in a tablet!
Its just as snappy but, when I play dead trigger the controls lag on highest setting, and If I put it on high the controls are still laggy, the framerate is decent but when I play on my nexus the control are much snappier, but the frame rate is about the the same , I don't know how the prime runs it, but I know that dead trigger is optimized for 1920x1200, .... shadow gun thd does run better than on the prime
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terjeofnorway said:
I've only had a few hours yesterday toying around with mine. However, here are my initial thoughts:
Screen is great, and although a bit morror-ish when displaying larger dark areas such as night scenes in movies, I find it less reflective than I feared from reviews.
No flex, give or bleed when pushing the screen, although I'm not pushing excessively as some people in this forum seem to do.
A bit sluggish when multitasking (ie installing apps or syncing Spotify while surfing at the same time) and I seem to get the "XXX stopped responding, would you like to close or wait?" message a lot. I'm guessing this is related to the IO issue as discussed in the Infinity thread.
I'm using Nova for the launch screen, and all is running very smooth. No jagged home screen transitions of any kind.
The tablet turns quite hot while gaming at at max performance with IPS+ turned on, resulting in sweaty palms.
As mentioned by most others the speaker grill placement is puzzling at best. Placing both right/left speakers on one side totally ruins the audio balance, reducing the device to mono audio output. Headset is an absolute must imo.
There's really only one thing that bugs me, and that is sporadic lack of screen precision. It doesn't always register my taps, and it seems to confuse slides/scrolls with taps. Ie, when scrolling a list of apps it may suddenly interpret the release (lifting my finger) as a tap and open the app that I happened to point at when releasing. My Galaxy Note is also running ICS 4.0.3, and the tap-scroll-release issue is not a problem there, so I don't think it's my fingers being too "non-conductive" or the OS version. Still, it doesn't happen too often, and with a bit of determination when scrolling it's all good. No where near a deal breaker.
As I said, I have only had a short time with this tablet, but so far the Infinity seem to be everything I had hoped for in a tablet!
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Indeed, the one major issue I encounter is the sometimes abysmal I/O throughput, resulting in lag (and, when transferring large files to (Micro)SD, the device hangs completely for a few seconds every 70 MB or so). I am a PC gamer, and do not currently use the Infinity to game on, but I have actually bought Dead Trigger and ShadowGun just ti try them out. When I have a bit more time, I'll give them a whirl. The TF does not run hot for me with high screen brightness when watching movies or documentaries and the likes, so it would be an issue with the Tegra3 running hot when actively rendering.
The scrolling here is fine, but it does miss a tap every now and then -- I'm under the impression that it has to do with the I/O issue mentioned above, however, and that it does not have anything to do with the screen itself (The Gorilla Glass version used here (v2) is thinner than the previous iteration, so the sensitivity should be better than with, say, the Prime, if anything.) But, obviously, that is just my feeling.
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Its just as snappy but, when I play dead trigger the controls lag on highest setting, and If I put it on high the controls are still laggy, the framerate is decent but when I play on my nexus the control are much snappier, but the frame rate is about the the same , I don't know how the prime runs it, but I know that dead trigger is optimized for 1920x1200, .... shadow gun thd does run better than on the prime
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Oh good, the sets my worries of the high density screen negatively impacting the performance of the tablet to rest.
Its kinda sad to hear that the sensitivity has not improved much though... perhaps asus "or ROM chiefs" will be able to improve it in updates.
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What I'm getting is that most of these issues seem software related. So a quick bug fix when everyone is reporting these issues to Asus and we'll be on our merry way. But otherwise, this sounds like a great device....I don't plan on doing a lot of gaming on it, but I'll try out some Shadowgun or something...I'll probably just end up plugging in an Xbox controller if I want to play anything...I still don't enjoy playing games with a touchscreen. And playing some old N64 games will be awesome on this beast. Anyone tried playing emulators with an IME for Xbox, PS3, or Wii controllers yet? That's a good way to see performance...see if it can run Super Smash Bros well lol.
hi guys
I also noticed the lags when you install apps or copy files to the infinity. not even my old galaxy tab had those issues. and that was a single core!
the overall performance is not good and I don't feel the 4 cores at any point.
I also noticed, that asus uses a 2.xxx kernel with ICS instead of a current 3.xxx kernel.
I sent a mail to asus customer service and I encourage you to do the same so that this issue gets fixed asap.
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What I'm getting is that most of these issues seem software related. So a quick bug fix when everyone is reporting these issues to Asus and we'll be on our merry way. But otherwise, this sounds like a great device....I don't plan on doing a lot of gaming on it, but I'll try out some Shadowgun or something...I'll probably just end up plugging in an Xbox controller if I want to play anything...I still don't enjoy playing games with a touchscreen. And playing some old N64 games will be awesome on this beast. Anyone tried playing emulators with an IME for Xbox, PS3, or Wii controllers yet? That's a good way to see performance...see if it can run Super Smash Bros well lol.
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Thats exactly what I probably will be doing to. XD
I mean all I used to do with my ipad was web surfing, check email, slight doodling, and light gaming. But I despise using a touch screen to game, especially if the game requires the use of a virtual analog stick.
From what I can tell the controller support is pretty good, just about any usb xbox or ps3 controller will work with most apps. Plus with android I get emulators out of the box.

TF700 VS Nexus 7

After purchasing 2 defective Nexus 7, I've decided to seek for an alternative tablet..
How does the TF700 compare?
Pricing is not a concern for me .
See Lisa's review comparison.
Kinda apples to oranges isn't it? Entry level budget minded device versus high end loaded device? Don't get me wrong, I like the nexus, but they would need a 10" for me to even bother looking their way. I already have a couple nook colors. BUUUT...how do they compare, well lets try...
TF700 = Bigger better screen
TF700 = graphics
TF700 = brightness (super IPS is nice)
Nexus = From google OTAs
Nexus = Lighter
Nexus = Handier as a casual every day "assistant" type device that still is great for movies and games.
Overall it depends on what your looking for really. Quite a difference in price.
**Disclaimer: I don't own a Nexus, just taking a guess at most of the things I listed**
i dont think there is much of a comparison.
Currently, I own both devices. While I agree they are apples vs oranges (lower end to higher end), I can perhaps share some insight. Let me start by saying getting either device is a win. What we have here is 2 quality tablets utilizing the android OS. The Nexus 7 is more of a convenience device. What I mean by this is the portability, weight, and smoothness are unprecedented. I love walking to the coffee table, picking the 7 up, checking my twitter feed, checking the score of the game, etc... One of the other things I enjoy (despite the lower resolution than the TF700), is e-reading. The lack of stress on my wrists makes it an absolute pleasure to read. I can lay on my back, and hold the tablet above my face with one hand, and have no fear of dropping it. There's a lot of little uses I find the 7 brilliant for. My hang up is the idea of a 7" tablet. It's not big enough, but it's not small enough to use with 2 hands making is slightly awkward for some users.
The Infinity is more of a laptop replacement (especially if you get the keyboard dock). I went with the 64gb version, with a 64gb micro SD card. I have not touched my laptop since. If you are looking for a daily web browser, this is your guy. I never have to zoom in to read, the text is crisp/clear, and I don't find myself straining to view websites. That's another advantage of the 10" tablet over the 7". The screen noticeably trumps the Nexus 7, and sometimes it pains me to switch between the two. Although i'm a big fan of Google and Nexus devices I really like what Asus did with their personal widgets and notification bar. Really makes the tablet feel fluid. The downside with the TF700 is most things aren't optimized for the gorgeous display. I'm sad to say, it's almost a waste. That is one area i'll give the nod to IOS for. Apps look grainy with their icons, games can look poor at times, and some games aren't even available at all.
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Currently, I own both devices. While I agree they are apples vs oranges (lower end to higher end), I can perhaps share some insight. Let me start by saying getting either device is a win. What we have here is 2 quality tablets utilizing the android OS. The Nexus 7 is more of a convenience device. What I mean by this is the portability, weight, and smoothness are unprecedented. I love walking to the coffee table, picking the 7 up, checking my twitter feed, checking the score of the game, etc... One of the other things I enjoy (despite the lower resolution than the TF700), is e-reading. The lack of stress on my wrists makes it an absolute pleasure to read. I can lay on my back, and hold the tablet above my face with one hand, and have no fear of dropping it. There's a lot of little uses I find the 7 brilliant for. My hang up is the idea of a 7" tablet. It's not big enough, but it's not small enough to use with 2 hands making is slightly awkward for some users.
The Infinity is more of a laptop replacement (especially if you get the keyboard dock). I went with the 64gb version, with a 64gb micro SD card. I have not touched my laptop since. If you are looking for a daily web browser, this is your guy. I never have to zoom in to read, the text is crisp/clear, and I don't find myself straining to view websites. That's another advantage of the 10" tablet over the 7". The screen noticeably trumps the Nexus 7, and sometimes it pains me to switch between the two. Although i'm a big fan of Google and Nexus devices I really like what Asus did with their personal widgets and notification bar. Really makes the tablet feel fluid. The downside with the TF700 is most things aren't optimized for the gorgeous display. I'm sad to say, it's almost a waste. That is one area i'll give the nod to IOS for. Apps look grainy with their icons, games can look poor at times, and some games aren't even available at all.
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How does e-reading on the TF700 feel?
The main reason I'm getting a tablet is to do reading and daily browsing,checking for news etc..
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How does e-reading on the TF700 feel?
The main reason I'm getting a tablet is to do reading and daily browsing,checking for news etc..
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Great, very sharp and clear text.
I actually read more on my tablet then on my e- reader. Because of the higher resolution, and that I can easily switch to pocket to read an article or read a magazine with colours.
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Kinda apples to oranges isn't it?
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Depends on what's important to you. It was between the tf700 and the n7 for me too. Both tegra 3, both Asus, similar pixel densities, and before it became the n7, it was officially announced as the 370t, and also had an sd slot and hdmi port. Google lost me when they lost the extras and when Asus made it clear they wouldn't consider a transformer dock on a 7" device (no, I didn't want a smaller dock -- same size dock, smaller slot to put it in, and bonus space for front facing speakers). All extras being equal, I'd have preferred a 7" form factor. A few ended up not being equal.
One area the N7 has the tf700 beat is that it has BT4, while we only have BT3. The 4 is a pretty big jump, enabling super low power accessories. Virtually none exist yet, but they will. Apple's moved their phones and tabs to bt4, and they're a big accessory driver. Another area, arguably, is RAM capacity. They both have the same amount, but the n7 won't need as much to drive its lower res screen down the road. I'd rather have half the storage I have and double the RAM, since I aim to keep this device for many years.
The main reason I'm getting a tablet is to do reading and daily browsing,checking for news etc..
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The larger screen on the tf700 is going to make it a much nicer magazine reader. On the n7, you'd really want to reflow mags into mostly text for readability, but on this you can read mags as they are without having to pan and zoom all over the place. I suspect comics might be more easily consumed on this too, but I'm just guessing, I haven't gotten to that yet. Some websites are going to be much easier to read without panning and zooming, but apps like Google Currents are often far more convenient than the sites themselves anyway -- much better layout on any tab.
Finally, the tf700 has super IPS+, which basically means it can get brighter than virtually any other tab out there. This is touted as being daylight readable, and it is more than any other mobile I've had, but the uber-shininess of the glass and reflections that come from it really mar the outdoor reading experience. In summer heat, the metal exterior sucks up the heat just as fast as you'd expect too. I will use sips+ for outdoor typing once it cools down a little (its been over 110F for me for two weeks), but I haven't decided how much outdoor reading I'll do.
The n7 would be more comfortable to hold for extended periods, both because it's lighter and it has the textured back.
bottom line: please do not compare. of course tf700 is the better option.. its like asking do you like mercedez or kia ?? when the money is not an issue!!
imagine cars said:
bottom line: please do not compare. of course tf700 is the better option.. its like asking do you like mercedez or kia ?? when the money is not an issue!!
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Fragmentation much? We're all android bros, we need to unite to beat the fragmentation and the isheep.
Like others have said, there is no comparison between the two. Both have their pluses and minuses. I own both and enjoy both equally.
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Microsoft Surface RT reviews

Reviews with accompanying video moved to bottom for readability.
Ars Technica
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/microsofts-first-stab-at-a-pc-surface-reviewed/
Verdict: Surface RT is a nice tablet, but Windows RT is an unknown.
AnandTech
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6385/microsoft-surface-review
LaptopMag
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tablets/microsoft-surface-rt.aspx
Verdict: 3.5/5
Pros: Striking industrial design; Innovative Touch Cover; Sharp display; Microsoft Office included; Long battery life
Cons: Few high-quality apps available for now; Poor-quality cameras; Sluggish and unresponsive at times
The Verdict: The Surface and its innovative Touch Cover proves that Microsoft can make hardware to rival the iPad, but the app ecosystem needs to catch up.
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/t...eils-the-surface-its-first-tablet-review.html
"Sleek Tablet, but Clumsy Software"
ABCNews
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mi...indows-tablet-turned-laptop/story?id=17540348
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/video/microsoft-surface-rt-video-review-17549478 (video review)
Wired
http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/10/microsoft-surface/all/
AllThingsD
http://allthingsd.com/20121023/hardworking-tablet-with-pc-chops/
Gizmodo
http://gizmodo.com/5953866
TheVerge
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3540550/microsoft-surface-review
Verdict: 7/10.
Pluses: Ambitious new software. Solidly made, handsome hardware. Full Office suite. Excellent battery life.
Minuses: Performance is hit or miss. Weak ecosystem. Buggy software. Doesn't live up to hybrid promise.
Engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/23/microsoft-surface-rt-review/
As a perspective, the Anandtech review compared prelim performance numbers against an (unnamed) Clovertrail tablet:
"On the user experience side alone, the Clovertrail tablet is noticeably quicker than Surface. Surface isn’t slow by any means, but had it used Atom hardware it would’ve been even more responsive.
"Across the board Clovertrail manages a 30 - 50% advantage over Tegra 3. Granted we’re not looking at power consumption here, but the Clovertrail tablet I’m comparing is even smaller/lighter than Surface for what it’s worth."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6385/microsoft-surface-review/10
On the ergonomics of the Touch/TypeCover, a key selling point for Surface:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/23/microsoft-surface-rt-review/
"However, the Touch Covers reveal the Surface’s fundamental flaw: The Surface is ungainly large when deployed. When used with the Surface’s kickstand and a Touch Cover, the whole contraption is 10-inches deep. That’s the same depth as a 15-inch MacBook Pro. An iPad with a Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard is only 7-inches deep; most ultrabooks are 9-inches or under. A Surface with a Touch Cover barely fits on most airplane seat-back trays; it doesn’t work at all on the trays that pull out of an armrest. That’s a problem.
"This design makes it very hard to use the Surface with a Touch Cover anywhere but a tabletop. It needs a 10-inch deep flat surface. I could not use the Surface with a Touch Cover sitting in an armchair, walking around, or laying on my back in bed. Forget about using it on the commode; it sits too precariously on the legs for comfort. These are use-cases that I do nearly daily with my iPad and Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard. The Surface is only usable when seated at a table or desk."
On video out:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6385/microsoft-surface-review/6
"On the left edge of the device there’s a custom video out port that can be paired with a Microsoft made VGA or HDMI dongle. I tested HDMI output with Microsoft's dongle and unfortunately the result wasn't very good. The 1080p output had a lot of issues with scaling quality (as you can see from the shot below) and there was a lot of tearing on the screen with a big impact on UI frame rate."
I did have the same thought about plains and trains etc its a real pain. Though its worth noting that you should be able to plug in a standard keyboard and do away with the cover. I really don't think its worth the extra £100 that said I think the whole thing is overpriced! That said I am an MS fanboi so I will be getting mine but I do fear that they went for looks over function.
If I had a spare £1000 the best I have seen by a clear mile is the sony duo 11, that device makes the surface look pathetic but then at double the price it really should.
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I did have the same thought about plains and trains etc its a real pain. Though its worth noting that you should be able to plug in a standard keyboard and do away with the cover. I really don't think its worth the extra £100 that said I think the whole thing is overpriced! That said I am an MS fanboi so I will be getting mine but I do fear that they went for looks over function.
If I had a spare £1000 the best I have seen by a clear mile is the sony duo 11, that device makes the surface look pathetic but then at double the price it really should.
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I love how all these reviewers are ragging on the app selection alleady - The thing is just coming out and all of the apps are being wrtiten for tablet - There's already like 4k and more are to come since its part of full Win8 as well. Even the Ipad doesn't have many apps written just for tablet. What's also frustrating is they are saying how buggy it is - Give me a break, like MS is not going to ever update the thing. I guess the tech world has higher expectations because its MS and they love Apple so much.
Let the product be released and get in the real world for a bit before we cast judgement.
As long as the hardware is solid, which it sounds like it is, the rest will be sorted out.
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I love how all these reviewers are ragging on the app selection allready - The thing is just coming out and all of the apps are wrtiten for tablet - There's already like 4k and more are to come since its part of full Win8 as well. Even the Ipad doesn't have many apps written just for tablet. What's also frustrating is they are saying how buggy it is - Give me a break, like MS is not going to every update the thing.
Let the product be released and get in the real world.
As long as the hardware is solid, which ist sounds like it is, the rest will be sorted out.
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if the reviewers don't point out both positive and negatives of today, when should they?
its been released to the real world, folks are giving real reviews, today.
last i saw the ipad and mini ipad have somewhere near 275,000 applications.
its not mature, that's for sure. if there were no issues to improve, it would stagnate and not change. I love to read honest, real reviews pointing out possibilities for improvement, it means there -will- be improvement.

[Q] Is Spen & Digitizer significantly better with Note 10.1 2014 Edition?

Hi, I am wondering if anyone has any hands-on experience with the Note 10.1 2014 edition and can comment on whether there are significant improvements in the accuracy of the Spen with the 2014 edition in comparison with the original Note 10.1.
I'm not referring to extra features, but rather improved accuracy in writing and drawing. I also and emphasizing that whoever wants to comment on this to please have actual hands-on experience with both tablets. I am trying to make a decision on whether to upgrade, and the only thing so far that would make me want to upgrade is if there is some real improvement in pen accuracy.
Thank you
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Hi, I am wondering if anyone has any hands-on experience with the Note 10.1 2014 edition and can comment on whether there are significant improvements in the accuracy of the Spen with the 2014 edition in comparison with the original Note 10.1.
I'm not referring to extra features, but rather improved accuracy in writing and drawing. I also and emphasizing that whoever wants to comment on this to please have actual hands-on experience with both tablets. I am trying to make a decision on whether to upgrade, and the only thing so far that would make me want to upgrade is if there is some real improvement in pen accuracy.
Thank you
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Discriibe what you mean by accuracy as it draws whar I draw and types what I write.
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Discriibe what you mean by accuracy as it draws whar I draw and types what I write.
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Actually, I'm also interested in the OP question. I find that that the tip is displaced from where it is registered and that this gets worse the nearer the edges you get. It's also insensitive to the tilt of the pen so how accurate the tip gets depends very much on how you hold the pen and what angle you hold the tablet. At the right angle it's pretty good but if I put the tablet flat on a table and try to take notes it gets very inaccurate.
If you're just making continuous smooth curves it's okay as it tracks the movements of the stylus quite accurately. The issue is if you need to go back over what you've written/drawn because where you place the tip won't match where the next stroke appears.
I fear many of these problems are limitations of Wacom's technology. The issue of inaccuracy near edges/corners appears to be a common complaint among a number of devices that use Wacom digitizers and because it's the base of the pen not the tip that's recognized and there's no active tracking of stylus tilt the angle issue is inevitable unless you're holding the stylus at 90 degrees at all times.
That being said, I played with some Windows 8 based machines on the weekend to compare the stylus. The Surface Pro uses Wacom, I believe, and had some of the same issues, although it seemed to be somewhat more accurate over a larger part of the screen only got bad at the very edges.
Another big advantage of Windows 8 is it has options for left and right handed use and a recalibration option built into the driver. Both features should improve accuracy somewhat based on how you hold the stylus. Driver improvements could significantly improve the experience on the Note 10.1 if Samsung were to implement them.
I also tried a Sony Duo 13 laptop which uses the N-trig digitizer. The pen has to have a battery so it's bigger and heavier, although I don't mind that. I also found it triggered strokes when it was hovering (not touching) sometimes and sometimes failed to trigger when touching. I don't know if this is a general problem or maybe the battery was low or something. I will say, though, that the positional accuracy of the stylus when it worked was significantly better than the Wacom digitizers I've tried. So much so that I'm seriously considering that machine as a replacement for my laptop. But it's more the size/weight of an ultrabook than a tablet. Too bad Sony didn't include the N-trig in it's android tablet which otherwise looks pretty nice.
the issues described by tmagritte above include what I am referring to.
I just picked up the 30GB wifi version last night and can confirm that problems still remain. I went back to Best Buy today and both their demos are similarly inaccurate. It is pretty good until you are within 1 cm of the edge of the display. The easiest way to observe the issue is to use a drivers license or similar as a straight edge and draw horizontal and diagonal lines in the S Note application with the grid paper background while maintaining a constant pen angle. I'm shocked that Samsung still hasn't released a calibration app for the Note series.
Hello.
My wife just bought this tablet, the 2014 10.1, and she is very distraught over the inaccuracy of the s-pen in certain areas of the screen, especially in the middle of the screen, when she draws a straight line through the middle of the screen it bows around 2 center point in the screen, making underline text that you've written almost impossible on those parts of the screen. Has anyone else noticed this particular inaccuracy or do you think this tablet is defective?
We have another 3 weeks before opening a case on ebay, we bought it refurbished, sealed in manufacture box.
EDIT: I just found the cause after some tinkering of my own.. The Magnet in the flip cover case she was using was distorting the s-pens accuracy, removed the case, works just fine now. Be advised, this happens, apparently.

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