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i was wondering. what exactly makes a Galaxy S device a Galaxy s device? i hope i made sense there...
because on twitter GalaxySsupport replied to a question i had originally asked to Samsungsupport about the infuse.
more or less. there are many phones named galaxy from samsung. then the galaxy s line came out, then the galaxy s conntinuum. then the galaxy indulge on metro pcs. then the i9003. galaxy s had a narrow line of hardware at first then they played with screens now the whole hardware profile can vary. the infuse is more galaxy s than the galaxy indulge, or the i9003. now they have the galaxy s 2 and will soon have the galaxy s 2 mini and galaxy s+ which will supposedly be based on a quallcom cpu.. so although the infuse has different gps hardware and mhl the radio is likely the same as the t959v sgs4g and is otherwise a galaxy s. samsung said it doesnt have the hardware requirements to be called a galaxy s when asked but it only seems to have hardware improvements. the audio chip is the same, the processor is the same, other phones called galaxy dont meet those requirements, and the phone is also capable of running gps and the camera while making phone calls, the sgs cant do either. im not really sure what game samsung is playing here but it seems galaxy s has been demoted to a label and att maybe didnt want that label because of the bugs and lack of support people think it had.
It seems to be a just a label. I mean this is way batter than any galaxy device out there. Poeple all up on dual core (I was one of them), what exactly do you need so much power for? How fast are you typing that you need a phone to keep up with you. The only phone that does require it would he the atrix because of its lapdock. But even then dual core seems to be a way to drain your battery if you don't know how to set up the phone correctly. And Samsung directed my question to the Galaxy S twitter account. I still think this phone meets and exceeds the requirements for a Galaxy S device.
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I was checking the Samsung Galaxy S website
i have these comparisons
Samsung Galaxy S 4G:
Android Platform: 2.2
Display: 4.00" Super AMOLED
Camera: 5.0 MP rear VGA front
Processor: 1.0 Mhz
Samsung Infuse 4G:
Android Platform: 2.2
Display: 4.50" Super AMOLED Plus
Camera: 8.0 MP rear 1.2MP front
Processor: 1.2Ghz
and this device is not capable of being a Galaxy S device?
i think this phone has been ripped from it title.
multi core is hard to utilize fully(has to do with the way things are processed and applications are written) but the step from one to two can feel like a big difference in some situations. any lag caused by background services can disappear because there is a non busy processor core ready to go. the lag difference can give the perception of performance even if the actual speed something is processed at is not much faster. if a dual core comes out that has great battery life and no heat issues im sure it will be great. dual core doesnt throw me off that much, what gets me however is they are already talking about 4 core chips for phones! please figure out a way to make the architecture smaller or make 3d architecture like they have been talking about for years so we can get more hz and less power usage. it cant be easy to parallelize applications with simple functions that are written in java.
multi core is great for benchmarking but beyond 2 cores i dont see the point on a small screen and one is perfectly acceptable.
Atrix dual core. Lag and heat central on that phone.
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My atrix got very hot as well. I haven't noticed any speed difference between my atrix and the infuse. I think overall the infuse is a far superior device.
i was speaking in theory about the lag. blur is a piece of crap. that and locked bootloaders are why i wont buy it. i dont mind limited development as long as i can get things the way i want them, lack of ability to flash roms seems like too much of a hinderance in getting the phone setup the way i want it. i will look at the attain, but with the audio issues im may wait for a while before i buy another phone.
I think I'm pretty much set with the Infuse.
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Even then with Dual core, blur should be able to run really snappy.
but it doesn't. only real thing that i see dual core has to provide are better graphics in games.
Transformer27 said:
Even then with Dual core, blur should be able to run really snappy.
but it doesn't. only real thing that i see dual core has to provide are better graphics in games.
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The best part is that kholk found while working on the bootloader that the Atrix kernel only loads one core on boot....lol....
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h8rift said:
The best part is that kholk found while working on the bootloader that the Atrix kernel only loads one core on boot....lol....
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OMG LOL. Epic fail. I knew something was up with that phone. LOL
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Transformer27 said:
Even then with Dual core, blur should be able to run really snappy.
but it doesn't. only real thing that i see dual core has to provide are better graphics in games.
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the infuse gpu can keep up with some kernel tweaks and api support for tegra based games. the sgs renders some things better(not sure if that's true in a technical sense but certain benchmarks look more natueral) and in most cases can run similar frame rates, some overclocking and the sgx power vr540 gpu is a beast. dual core helps in games that are written for dual core especially if it uses tegra2 specific APIs, chainfire's chainfire 3d may help with that situation.
and well dual core would only help with lag caused by multi tasking. a laggy launcher on a single core may be just as laggy on a dual core(unless it is multi threaded), but a snappy launcher may lag if there is a background service running on a single core but is not likely lag to on a dual core even with background services. i guess i wasnt specific enough.
i guess im only reinforcing the idea that dual core is marketing nonsense because unless you are a multi tasking junkie you wont notice a bit of difference 90% of the time.
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The best part is that kholk found while working on the bootloader that the Atrix kernel only loads one core on boot....lol....
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a large portion of the boot process is probably in one large thread making dual core useless untill the ui starts. though having the core ready would mean you could start playing with things while the ui is still loading making the wait for everything to load less annoying.
Dani897 said:
i was speaking in theory about the lag. blur is a piece of crap. that and locked bootloaders are why i wont buy it. i dont mind limited development as long as i can get things the way i want them, lack of ability to flash roms seems like too much of a hinderance in getting the phone setup the way i want it. i will look at the attain, but with the audio issues im may wait for a while before i buy another phone.
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What are the audio issues on the attain?
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What are the audio issues on the attain?
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well the attain isnt tested yet, maybe i should have said sgs2. if the attain is the same as the sgs2 international supercurio wasnt very happy with the audio, and audio is important to me. it has a yamaha chip not a wolfson. not that yamaha is bad but it appears that the chip may be faulty or something. also wolfson was very cooperative in providing drivers and sources for supercurio's voodoo project. im sure it actually sounds good with the exception of the noise level. there are some clicking or popping issues from what i understand. i use in ear headphones and im sure id be able t to hear it.
Transformer27 said:
I was checking the Samsung Galaxy S website
i have these comparisons
Samsung Galaxy S 4G:
Android Platform: 2.2
Display: 4.00" Super AMOLED
Camera: 5.0 MP rear VGA front
Processor: 1.0 Mhz
Samsung Infuse 4G:
Android Platform: 2.2
Display: 4.50" Super AMOLED Plus
Camera: 8.0 MP rear 1.2MP front
Processor: 1.2Ghz
and this device is not capable of being a Galaxy S device?
i think this phone has been ripped from it title.
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Just making sure about this, but you do mean a 1.0 Ghz processor on Galaxy S right? lol
my bad yeah. furious typing at the moment of doing the list. lol
could be possible to installathe SGS II browser on our O3D?
cause i hate the standar browser,its slow and the bottom bar robs me the 20% of screen on horizontal mode...
SGS II browser,has nice multitouch effects which i think that could make our device to feel much softer..
I very much doubt it will make any difference, all browsers I tried on the GS2 when I had one were good, its down to the phone really.
I tend to use Opera Mobile on mine as its the best out imo its smooth and fast, I also used this on the GS2.
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I very much doubt it will make any difference, all browsers I tried on the GS2 when I had one were good, its down to the phone really.
I tend to use Opera Mobile on mine as its the best out imo its smooth and fast, I also used this on the GS2.
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you are right,opera mobile goes well,but i'm an effect-fanatic,and i love,the bounce effect when you reach the finish of the page,or navigating,trought menus...why lg its so shabby?
Use Dolphin HD browser, best far I have used with extensions: Fullscreen, Adblock, translation, xmarks, lastpass. What else would you need in mobile browser.
Dolphin browsers just don't feel as smooth to me, certainly not as smooth as Opera Mobile.
I believe that the browser has very smooth functionality in the sgs2. The opera is good but comes second to normalcy.
nicacapo said:
could be possible to installathe SGS II browser on our O3D?
cause i hate the standar browser,its slow and the bottom bar robs me the 20% of screen on horizontal mode...
SGS II browser,has nice multitouch effects which i think that could make our device to feel much softer..
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The SGSII browser is made for the SGSII and requires its hardware (Exynos Chipset) for it to work as it's hardware accelerated I believe.
Also I think it requires the touchwiz framework.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
PyroCF said:
The SGSII browser is made for the SGSII and requires its hardware (Exynos Chipset) for it to work as it's hardware accelerated I believe.
Also I think it requires the touchwiz framework.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Maybe yo are right and the browser just don't work on our o3d,but would be insteresting at least try to make it work...i'm with you with the touchwiz framework,it' possible that wpulde be a requeriment,i already talk with a rom cooker to see if he could implement this 2 features that would make our phone a lot smoother ...
Hello!
I'm a happy SGS user with flashing addiction and coming here in desperate need of help for my bro. Long story short, my bro is a total newb in mobile phones and computers and after watching my browsing experience which is totally smooth he bought a i9023.
After I tried it, his browser feels like theres no acceleration at all. Even 720p is like 3fps. Exactly like SGS with eclair.
What I dont want is to flash his NS and bring him into the addiction. He only needs a smooth browser.
Please help
I dont have much experience regarding this, but here goes:
Do you have any example of what kind of site he is trying to access? Would be easier for us to test ourself.
And, try the skyfire browser, maybe it is a good solution?
Miren browser.
Stock Android browser has no hw acceleration. Sorry.
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Well I tried any website like gsmarena or xda, which is working smoooooth on my SGS?
Why you want me to tell you websites? Do you want to say your browser is buttery smooth like on my SGS? Am I missing something?
Is 720p youtube working on your NS? Its buttery smooth on my SGS with same hardware as NS and NS was supposed to be "pure Google experience" as in the best android experience among other manufacturers especially ones with SAME hardware?
Please help,
Luka
devianceluka said:
Well I tried any website like gsmarena or xda, which is working smoooooth on my SGS?
Why you want me to tell you websites? Do you want to say your browser is buttery smooth like on my SGS? Am I missing something?
Is 720p youtube working on your NS? Its buttery smooth on my SGS with same hardware as NS and NS was supposed to be "pure Google experience" as in the best android experience among other manufacturers especially ones with SAME hardware?
Please help,
Luka
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Use the browser I mentioned before, it's hardware accelerated.
Opera Mobile has full hardware acceleration. It uses a completely different rendering engine. It uses OpenGL ES to render pages. If you have flash installed you can select which flash objects will play on a page to save processing power and battery
+1 to Opera Mobile. Very fast browsing experience.
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Opera Mobile has full hardware acceleration. It uses a completely different rendering engine. It uses OpenGL ES to render pages. If you have flash installed you can select which flash objects will play on a page to save processing power and battery
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I don't know what you are talking about. Have you tried opera mobile on SGS? It is smooth as a smooth can be. Computer smooth if you understand easier. On Nexus S is definetely NOT smooth. Even 720p youtube is not working in opera mobile. Opera mobile is the best "smooth" browser I tried on Nexus S but is definetely nowhere near smooth. Try SGS Opera mobile and you will know what I am talking about.
I also tried Miren browser. Nowhere near smooth, opera mobile is more smooth. Tried even on my SGS and Galaxy tab 10.1v, both nowhere near smooth. I dont believe it has got any kind of HW acceleration.
Beware, I'm saying it again: My bros Nexus S is completely stock, even root is not obtained. I want it to stay it like that, because everything works perfectly for my bro except battery life s*cks and browsers are nowhere near SGS-smooth with identical SoC!
I'm still searching for help!
Best Regards,
Luka
Stock Android has no GPU hardware acceleration, period. All UI elements including everything inside the browser is drawn with the CPU which obviously is quite ineffective. Samsungs Galaxy phones are the only android phones with GPU hardware acceleration. So if you want it there's currently no other way as to get a Galaxy S II with TouchWiz.
To me and a lot of other people its a bug, see here: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914
Sadly Google thinks otherwise, closed the thread, effectively giving everyone a FU
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Androyonisus said:
Stock Android has no GPU hardware acceleration, period. All UI elements including everything inside the browser is drawn with the CPU which obviously is quite ineffective. Samsungs Galaxy phones are the only android phones with GPU hardware acceleration. So if you want it there's currently no other way as to get a Galaxy S II with TouchWiz.
To me and a lot of other people its a bug, see here: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914
Sadly Google thinks otherwise, closed the thread, effectively giving everyone a FU
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Wow. The answer I was looking for. So the only way is to flash
Is there any ROM/Kernel with hw accelerated stock android browser? Or somekind of Galaxy S port of whatever?
Is CM7 here HW accelerated in browser?
Thanks for help!
Luka
I've got a rooted P5110 running the latest Clockwork Recovery and Cyanogen Mod 10.1 and by few apps. I'm running this rom in an attempt to get the Tab2 to be smooth and glitch free. No matter what rom I try I get some level of stuttering and glitchyness even on very mild use such as simple browsing with a couple of tabs open. I've grown tired of trying every possible rom to solve this so I've come to thinking that it is just not possible, no matter what Rom is used, to get the Tab 2 buttery smooth (like an iPad).
My question is to those really up to speed on Roms/Kernels/Modding and it is whether it is genuinely possible (Android/Apple rivalry aside) to make the Tab 2 super-glitch-free like an iPad? I.e. is the Tab2 stuttering a hardware/spec issue that simply can't be overcome by ultra-clever programming or modding?
I'd appreciate honesty on this because I can still (reluctantly) send the Tab 2 back and get an iPad in its place. I don't want to do this but I cannot live with its stuttering anymore but will stick with it if it's easily and genuinely fixable.
Android is a different beast, the software is written for a few hundred devices, where as ipad apps are written for three devices...you well never get that with android, that said I guess I'm not as picky as you because I feel that cm10.1 is smooth with stock or black hawk kernel..
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mrkhigh said:
Android is a different beast, the software is written for a few hundred devices, where as ipad apps are written for three devices...
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Totally get this but my Android phone (Motorola RAZR I) doesn't stutter at all, no matter what I throw at it. It's got a faster processor (Intel chip) but still it shows that Android doesn't need to stutter. As I understand it the Asus Transformer Prime tablet doesn't stutter at all (but does have other issues) so this brings me back to thinking that the Tab 2 is simply well and unforgivably under spec'ed.
If you want a solid functioning tablet for basic usage without the need for modifications, the ipad is probably best to meet your requirements.
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If you really hate lag, there are a few things you can do.
1. If you use SwiftKey, don't. It produces a fair bit of lag when typing.
2. Don't use a live wallpaper.
3. Use a custom homescreen like Nova Launcher.
4. Use Chrome.
GrandMasterPlank said:
I've got a rooted P5110 running the latest Clockwork Recovery and Cyanogen Mod 10.1 and by few apps. I'm running this rom in an attempt to get the Tab2 to be smooth and glitch free. No matter what rom I try I get some level of stuttering and glitchyness even on very mild use such as simple browsing with a couple of tabs open. I've grown tired of trying every possible rom to solve this so I've come to thinking that it is just not possible, no matter what Rom is used, to get the Tab 2 buttery smooth (like an iPad).
My question is to those really up to speed on Roms/Kernels/Modding and it is whether it is genuinely possible (Android/Apple rivalry aside) to make the Tab 2 super-glitch-free like an iPad? I.e. is the Tab2 stuttering a hardware/spec issue that simply can't be overcome by ultra-clever programming or modding?
I'd appreciate honesty on this because I can still (reluctantly) send the Tab 2 back and get an iPad in its place. I don't want to do this but I cannot live with its stuttering anymore but will stick with it if it's easily and genuinely fixable.
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The main reason is because apple has loads more years of experience when it comes to software! But also the bloatware that samsung installed doesnt help, ios hibernates the operating sistem when u play a game for example! So all of the ram and cpu power goes towards the game! Where as android the game runs on the top of android. Also there are no home screen of widgets less animations! Should I go on? Honestly android will never run like ios!! Android may get better but so will apple so android will always be behind! Thats why the iphone can run games lag free etc and also why the iphone 5 has less cores and that then the s3 or s4! Everyone says wow look at my s3 4 cores your iphoen 5 only has 2 mine is better! That is wrong! Iphone 5 doesnt need 4 cores! Or 2 gb of ram... etc. So yeah If you don't like lag buy a really expensive device like the note 2 or just buy an ipad!
I hope there were no errors it that!
Press thanks if I helped!
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I've got a Tab 2 and am growing tired of the lag even using the basic function such as web browsing (running stock or rooted/CM10.1). I don't want to completely jump from the Samsung ship (I have an iPad 2 already) and wanted to know how the Tab 2 stacked up against the much higher spec'd Note 10.1 but can't find any direct comparisons on here or online.
My question is whether the the Note 10.1 is WAY better/faster/smoother/more lag free than the Tab 2. From the spec's I know it should be but I'm interested in real world first hand experience of anyone who's got or used both.
There is a lag in the GT2? Hmm didn't notice that... But since I want 4G LTE on my tab, there isn't a lot of choices...
GrandMasterPlank said:
I've got a Tab 2 and am growing tired of the lag even using the basic function such as web browsing (running stock or rooted/CM10.1). I don't want to completely jump from the Samsung ship (I have an iPad 2 already) and wanted to know how the Tab 2 stacked up against the much higher spec'd Note 10.1 but can't find any direct comparisons on here or online.
My question is whether the the Note 10.1 is WAY better/faster/smoother/more lag free than the Tab 2. From the spec's I know it should be but I'm interested in real world first hand experience of anyone who's got or used both.
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I actually have both and there is a significant difference but that is because the note 10.1 has a quad core processor and 2gb of ram vs galaxy tab 2 which is dual core 1Ghz with 1 GB of ram. I noticed it more on touchwiz but after I got pacman ROM and over clocked it to 1.5 GHz its working pretty smooth. I can even play some high quality games without lag. So I guess the only way to actually get it to be smooth is on an aosp ROM and over clocking it to 1.4 just to be safe
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jazz995756 said:
I actually have both and there is a significant difference but that is because the note 10.1 has a quad core processor and 2gb of ram vs galaxy tab 2 which is dual core 1Ghz with 1 GB of ram.
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Thanks, that's the info I was after and is what I'd suspected. I'd much rather run vanilla and unrooted tbh. I bought an iPad and whilst it was a restrictive OS I liked the smoothness so subsequently really enjoyed the freedom of not having to mess around with Rom's trying to smooth things out as I'd tried before with an original Xoom.
So do you see any lag at all using the Note? Things like pinch-zooming on the web, flicking between apps etc?
Actually there is something that gets lost in the details and blogs, the real answer is..it depends. Not all Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 devices are the same. The ATT Variant actually comes with a Dual Core 1.5 GHZ S4 Krait, basically the same chips inside of the US S3s, which makes for a very very very snappy package. If you are looking at a 1.0 GHZ model, meeh, but if you happen to come across a newer carrier model, TMobile, ATT, etc, they are an order of magnitude faster than the stock 10.1 Tab 2.