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[IDEA for DEVS] A Mniute of your attention PLEASE... Tv-out on android

hey Devs... i would like to have a minute of your time...
i have an idea... in market (not android market... LOL) we can find a TV-out adapter for some phones from htc...
how about develop a way to add this option to the Android OS...
since the adapter uses the mini usb port...
what you devs have to say about that???
i think it whould be great to show pic and videos that way...

wow, i'm glad you got everyone's attention... now if it was only in the right forum, maybe android development (not G1 android develoment)... especially since AFAIK the dream doesn't do a TV out over ext-miniusb.

sorry... i've posted here cause i have a g1... and like a lot the work of the devs here...
i don't know if it is possible to do... i only think it whould be a great resource...
i'm not a dev and don't understand the tech behind the ext-miniusb...
but sorry again... next time i'll know were to post...

This has been discussed in the WM forums - they were asking if the Diamond could have tv-out feature, as it's similar to the touch pro. It couldn't. They have probably disabled the connections inside the mainboard. Probably... Anyway - if some devs are willing to try it will be a great feature.
Personally I have decided that my next phone will have a HDMI out or at least a TV-out. That's one of the reasons I won't be getting the Nexus or the Milestone even if I have the money...

nice work on flaming the guy up there...
would be a nice feature, if someone could confirm it wasnt likely then fine, but we should look into it

HazzBazz said:
nice work on flaming the guy up there...
would be a nice feature, if someone could confirm it wasnt likely then fine, but we should look into it
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I'm fairly sure it isn't possible unless you're damn good at soldering lol.
Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe this would need some hardcore physical modifications.

Lol sounds cool wish someone would make this sounds possible. Just like external dvd writer to android phone XD
ps: Best mod of all toaster to android for those times when you forget to have breakfast you cook it on the go

xillius200 said:
ps: Best mod of all toaster to android for those times when you forget to have breakfast you cook it on the go
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Just get wifi tethering going then hold a piece of bread next to the phone. It gets that hot it will be done in no time xD

Shame if it can't which I doubt very much, tis what I miss from my old nokia N95 8GB.

Meltus said:
Just get wifi tethering going then hold a piece of bread next to the phone. It gets that hot it will be done in no time xD
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Lol true but i don't want my phone melting on my toast XD
Im guessing that if you really wanted this you could use Android Screencast and watch it on a pc monitor however i would suggest doing this in the future as Android Screencast 0.4 has a really slow fps

xillius200 said:
Lol true but i don't want my phone melting on my toast XD
Im guessing that if you really wanted this you could use Android Screencast and watch it on a pc monitor however i would suggest doing this in the future as Android Screencast 0.4 has a really slow fps
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True.
Actually, if screencast can display what's going on on the phone on your computer, i suppose a kind of t.v. out is possible. Well, more of a computer out but i suppose it could still kind of work.

It's a shame but looking at http://code.google.com/p/androidscreencast/ doesn't seem like anything since december 28th has been done but i could be wrong.
ps: for all those wondering what screencast is it is a program which allows the user the control of theyre android over a pc through the means of usb

there just simply isnt the pinout or the hardware in the phone to make a signal your tv could understand. If there was it would be a feature from the manufacture. They dont just spend money on chips and then not use them.
so we can all stop dancing around the "probably not", and just say nope can't be done with this phone. wait for an android phone with an ion or something
nice try though!

Sirus20x6 said:
If there was it would be a feature from the manufacture. They dont just spend money on chips and then not use them.
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Kaiser + Imageon = ??? doesnt do crap for SDL/OpenGL in WM (or does it poorly with community supported drivers that HTC DIDNT include) and works a peach in the android port (27ish fps in Neocore!)
perfect example of the chipset being able to do something that wasnt a concern enough for HTC to utilize.

The G1's hardware does NOT support video out. Without doing serious hardware modification to the phone, this is impossible. There are however other Android devices that support it, I just don't remember which ones specifically. I actually think the mytouch can, but don't quote me on that.

Nope seems it doesnt
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Cable-ACT100-Verizon-MyTouch/dp/B0022JHOYM
Works with: Alltel Touch Pro / AT&T Tilt2, HTC Pure, Fuze / HTC Touch Pro2, Touch Diamond2, Touch Pro / Sprint Snap, Touch Pro2, Touch Pro / T-Mobile Dash 3G, Touch Pro2 / US Cellular HTC TouchPro2, HTC TouchPro / Verizon Ozone, HTC Imagio, Touch Pro2, Touch Pro
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got that from HTCDEPOt

Sirus20x6 said:
there just simply isnt the pinout or the hardware in the phone to make a signal your tv could understand. If there was it would be a feature from the manufacture. They dont just spend money on chips and then not use them.
so we can all stop dancing around the "probably not", and just say nope can't be done with this phone. wait for an android phone with an ion or something
nice try though!
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tehseano said:
The G1's hardware does NOT support video out. Without doing serious hardware modification to the phone, this is impossible.
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oops... spoke without looking up specs?
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You should take a look at the upcoming phone: Sony Ericsson Vivaz.
Hd-Videos and Tv-Out

U guys sure about the magic not having tv-out ? ive seen a couple of tvout cables on ebay n elsewhere. Also this http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=24&id=2900 seems to say HECK YEA
Oh and so does amazon http://www.amazon.com/OEM-HTC-Out-Cable-ACT100/dp/B002OOZDSE

Except it won't work. Just because the pinout of a plug has pins for a certain function, doesn't mean the device has these features implemented. And androids do not use most of the usbext plug. Video out is one of them (sure, the CPU can do it, but notice it needs a PAL/NTSC encoder, and it's not on our motherboards), another one is the support of the media keys on the HTC RC E100.
Some stores blindly write that it's compatible, just because the plug matches. Its bollocks. It's like wikipedia claiming that MT3G has a proximity and ambient light sensor - it doesn't. (And YES, no one has corrected this yet!!)

Honeycomb 3.1 coming?

announced today android 3.1. the sdk is out for it now just thought i would let everyone know dont know if i should put this here or in development.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-3.1.html

http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-3.1-highlights.html
Wow some awesome Stuff in 3.1.
Resizeable Home screen widgets
Support for external keyboards and pointing devices
Support for joysticks and gamepads
For example, users can connect Sony Playstation™ 3 and XBox 360™ game controllers
The Gallery app now supports Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP), so that users can connect their cameras over USB and import
Android 3.1 provides built-in platform support for USB host mode
built-in support for raw ADTS AAC content, for improved streaming audio, as well as support for FLAC audio
Support for inline playback of video embedded in HTML5 <video> tag. Playback is hardware-accelerated where possible.
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Wonder if the source code will ever be released or not.

krypticos said:
Wonder if the source code will ever be released or not.
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Of course it will. Google said "open source". Didn't say when, but they did say it was all going to be open source.
Drivers for various bits of hardware might be another story, but eventually Google release source for their stuff.

schettj said:
Of course it will. Google said "open source". Didn't say when, but they did say it was all going to be open source.
Drivers for various bits of hardware might be another story, but eventually Google release source for their stuff.
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i agree they do but with honeycomb they still havent and the xooms been out how long now.
feb 17th right so that is almost 4 months and still no code.

I doubt they will release the source for it.
ICS will likely be the next big source drop from Google.
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and I'm correct, taken from the roundtable this afternoon:
Q: When are we going to see a general release of Honeycomb?
A: Just for background: we did an internal trick to meet the Honeycomb schedule, we didn’t make it available for phones. So we held back the open sourcing of Honeycomb back so people wouldn’t put it on phones and have a crappy experience… but now that it is done. Ice Cream will be the next open source release and that will be this year.

Q4 of 2011 on Ice Cream Sandwich, per the information given this morning...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!1
Ill just keep sleeping untill Google really releases something.

well that really does suck that there not going to release it. so im stuck on 2.2 or 2.3.4 on my tablet til then. thanks google. dont get me wrong the devs here have made this thing work great on 2.2 and 2.3.4 but i was really hoping for we are releasing the hc source code today.

krypticos said:
well that really does suck that there not going to release it. so im stuck on 2.2 or 2.3.4 on my tablet til then. thanks google. dont get me wrong the devs here have made this thing work great on 2.2 and 2.3.4 but i was really hoping for we are releasing the hc source code today.
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Eventually is better than never, though.

krypticos said:
i agree they do but with honeycomb they still havent and the xooms been out how long now.
feb 17th right so that is almost 4 months and still no code.
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From what I learned from the first wave of Honeycomb threads, if google decides to release source it will be 30 days from the release of the first device with Honeycomb on it. The official release of the Xoom was Feb. 24th and on Mar. 24th google confirmed that they will not release Honeycomb 3.0.
If that holds true, the Xoom should be getting the 3.1 update today so we should know if the HC 3.1 source code will be released around 6/10/11.

schettj said:
Eventually is better than never, though.
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QFT, ice cream sandwich sounds awesome and should relatively well for the gTab, assuming we can get the necessary pieces from Viewsonic/Nvidia, etc.

pr0cs said:
QFT, ice cream sandwich sounds awesome and should relatively well for the gTab, assuming we can get the necessary pieces from Viewsonic/Nvidia, etc.
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This is insanity. We have tablet version of OS out there, but we want to wait for the Icecream or whatever next best thing? I am niy sure if I want to wait around to enjoy native tablet experience and not the enhanced phone experience.
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At least we have a new sdk to port

pr0cs said:
Q: When are we going to see a general release of Honeycomb?
A: Just for background: we did an internal trick to meet the Honeycomb schedule, we didn’t make it available for phones. So we held back the open sourcing of Honeycomb back so people wouldn’t put it on phones and have a crappy experience… but now that it is done. Ice Cream will be the next open source release and that will be this year.
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Can't say I'm not upset about this response. I can't really accept their reason being that people will put it on a phone and get a crappy experience. Of course people will try and if they get a crappy experience, so what? Let them try!
At the very least, they should release it for the people that *do* own an HC device and would like to make modifications. Just stick in a notice that it is tablet oriented and done. And if they're REALLY concerned about people putting it on phones, have an extra clause in caps: "NOT FOR PHONES". I can't imagine that being any worse than completely withholding the source.
What it comes down to is Google wishing this version never existed. But it's already out there! Pretending it doesn't exist just seems irresponsible.
All of this has made me wary of Google. I wouldn't be surprised to see more curve balls in the future of Android.

krypticos said:
well that really does suck that there not going to release it. so im stuck on 2.2 or 2.3.4 on my tablet til then. thanks google. dont get me wrong the devs here have made this thing work great on 2.2 and 2.3.4 but i was really hoping for we are releasing the hc source code today.
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Who needs source code, when the devs really get going?
I guess not everyone is aware that there is a working HC ROM for the G-Tablet being fine-tuned now by Roebeet.
It just started with the Adam devs the other day and Roebeet has released 1.2 already with good bit of functionality (including audio and hardware acceleration.) There is also an Advent Vega port rolling.
Not going to bother with the links the threads are easy enough to find here and at SlateDroid.

I found a file today on Asus' website titled "Eee Pad Kernel Code for Android OS (V8.2.3.9) " in the transformers section. Since the transformer uses HC, could this file be useful to you here? Here's the link minus the hypertext prefix. (Had to do that to get around the spam alert.)
//usa.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/#download
On that page, choose android as the operating system, then expand the source code menu. I don't know jack about programming, so if it's useless, be gentle with me.

Mikawo said:
Can't say I'm not upset about this response. I can't really accept their reason being that people will put it on a phone and get a crappy experience. Of course people will try and if they get a crappy experience, so what? Let them try!
At the very least, they should release it for the people that *do* own an HC device and would like to make modifications. Just stick in a notice that it is tablet oriented and done. And if they're REALLY concerned about people putting it on phones, have an extra clause in caps: "NOT FOR PHONES". I can't imagine that being any worse than completely withholding the source.
What it comes down to is Google wishing this version never existed. But it's already out there! Pretending it doesn't exist just seems irresponsible.
All of this has made me wary of Google. I wouldn't be surprised to see more curve balls in the future of Android.
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Google is walking a thin line right now, they are under pressure to fix the "fragmentation" of Android, especially by developers, but also from the competition aka the Apple iPhone folks (and their fans in the press), and at the same time they are under pressure from consumers and the open source crowds to stay as open as they have been. I am not taking sides, but they are in a precarious situation right now, who do they please the most, and who do they worry about the least, tough decisions. Then you have Windows Phone 7.1 (Codenamed "Mango") to be announced later this month, and it looks like a VERY good contender. It will be interesting to see how things play out over the next year or two.

nunjabusiness said:
Who needs source code, when the devs really get going?
I guess not everyone is aware that there is a working HC ROM for the G-Tablet being fine-tuned now by Roebeet.
It just started with the Adam devs the other day and Roebeet has released 1.2 already with good bit of functionality (including audio and hardware acceleration.) There is also an Advent Vega port rolling.
Not going to bother with the links the threads are easy enough to find here and at SlateDroid.
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I am thankful to have such awesome and talented people as Robeet out there working for us, and they do it without any compestation other than the enjoyment of doing it and knowing they've contributed to the community. I can't wait for a stable, release candidate of Honeycomb for my gTablet!

I personally just won't purchase any devices that have HC on it starting off until HC is full released by google. Hopefully more of the smart people on here will tell there friends to do the same. If we all did that there would be more pressure (lack of profits) to release HC code ASAP.
Glad I bought a tablet without HC and Market meaning Google hasn't gotten any money from me for Android 3+ and will not until they change their tune about giving all developers the code and not just ones who lick googles feet.

Viewsonic, Hello?

So does anyone have any idea what Viewsonic is doing? Currently we have 3588 as the latest, with a temporary release of 4349. Are they working on another release? Could it be GB or HC? I like the custom roms we get, but really the the feel of a well working stock. The new HC ROM is really cool, but no Netflix from what i have read.

well...from what I've read, the netflix issue is exactly that, a netflix issue. They've released versions for specific devices. some XDA devs have found workarounds, fixes, or builds that will enable it to work on certain roms. There's nothing that VS can do about getting Netflix to work on the G-Tablet.
As for VS updates and involvement...who knows? they've been quite vacant for quite some time. A grassroots effort pressured them to release 4349, then they pulled it, but the pressure was not kept up. Maybe they are working on something...but it would be nice if they told us what it was, huh?

I wouldn't get my hopes up for a HC release. GB might be a possibility, but my guess is they're just working out the bugs in 4349 and will hopefully release that soon and then they'll be done with it. The tablet didn't sell well, I can't see them pouring any more resources into it.

The tablet didn't sell well
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It didn't? Wasn't it the top seller on Amazon.com for a bit? I don't remember the Adam being able to brag about that...and they are rumored to be working on an official GB release, using essentially the SAME hardware that we use.
I've often said that it's sites like XDA that have made the manufacturers more lax in their support. Viewsonic never claimed that their out of the box firmware was spectacular. Devs here started messing with it and came up with usable Roms. VS was beaten by "amateurs." Now, our devs have figured out how to directly port Adam Roms to the G-Tablet. VS just needed to release a 1.2 bootloader so that it was possible for the devs to port them. They did this, then pulled it 24 hours later, AFTER the devs had it to work with. If Adam developers actually do release an official GB Rom (WITH video drivers from NVidea) then they, combined with the amateur G-Tab developers have done Viewsonics work FOR them...had nobody messed with the stock firmware, then VS would be under WAY more pressure to fix what is broken. as it is, amateurs are doing the work, for free...
SO....exactly why would VS spend time (more importantly MONEY) wokring on a project that has been taken over by amateur developers?

TJEvans said:
It didn't? Wasn't it the top seller on Amazon.com for a bit?
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I'm not sure, but I don't doubt it. I also don't doubt that most of those sales were when the device was on clearance. That's what companies do when a product has failed.
Viewsonic, as far as I know, has never promised a GB or HC upgrade. I wasn't expecting one when I bought the tablet on Woot and nobody else should have either. I'll be happy if it happens, but I'm not expecting anything.

It may have been a crumb, but the 1.2 bl leak enabled our current version of HC... its only the lack of a .36 dev (from my understanding) that hinders further progress.
BTW, I got mine when it was still $408 shipped from Sears! YIKES!

markmac said:
So does anyone have any idea what Viewsonic is doing?
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They're moving on with their next product(s), and have put this tablet out of their minds. It got some buzz when firesaled under $300 and with some xda love, but clearly it's not a tablet that competes in any way with current tablets (other than having a tegra2 cpu.)
Hope for something good from the devs working off Adam or other "sister" tablets, because you're unlikely to see anything from VS.

NVidia has committed to yearly upgrades of the Tegra line. I don't recall when the Tegra2 was first released, but it has to be close to a year ago.
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TJEvans said:
It didn't? Wasn't it the top seller on Amazon.com for a bit? I don't remember the Adam being able to brag about that...and they are rumored to be working on an official GB release, using essentially the SAME hardware that we use.
I've often said that it's sites like XDA that have made the manufacturers more lax in their support. Viewsonic never claimed that their out of the box firmware was spectacular. Devs here started messing with it and came up with usable Roms. VS was beaten by "amateurs." Now, our devs have figured out how to directly port Adam Roms to the G-Tablet. VS just needed to release a 1.2 bootloader so that it was possible for the devs to port them. They did this, then pulled it 24 hours later, AFTER the devs had it to work with. If Adam developers actually do release an official GB Rom (WITH video drivers from NVidea) then they, combined with the amateur G-Tab developers have done Viewsonics work FOR them...had nobody messed with the stock firmware, then VS would be under WAY more pressure to fix what is broken. as it is, amateurs are doing the work, for free...
SO....exactly why would VS spend time (more importantly MONEY) wokring on a project that has been taken over by amateur developers?
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I agree that they profit quite a bit from site like XDA,
in regard of the 1.2 bootloader we had it since February actually when Robeet found the leaked update but developper didn't know then that it was compatible with other brand of rom, they actually taught it was locked... but this doesn't change the fact that VS is doing nothing...

[ANDROID PORT] Using the HTC Desire ROM?

I've done my share of reading on how to setup Android on the Samsung Focus. I think it's something that has solid market interest. But, from what I've gathered, most developers of custom Android ROM's stray away from the Focus because the processor architechture is "different" than every other Android device on the market; that a large majority of ROM developers don't bother compiling Android from source, and instead rely heavily on official ROM's. While the latter two out of those three statements may hold some truth, I believe the first statement does not.
The Samsung Focus, according to GSMArena, uses a Scorpion processor (Clocked at 1 Ghz), an Adreno 200 GPU for graphics, and a Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon chipset. And yet, the HTC Desire seems to use a Scorpion processor (Also clocked at 1 GHz), an Adreno 200 GPU for graphics, and a Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon Chipset.
Now, unless there's a misprint, I think there's a strong possibility we could use the HTC Desire ROM on the Samsung Focus.
As an app developer for Android, Windows Phone, and iOS devices (iOS being a la HTML5), with only a couple years of reverse engineering on Windows, my experience with low-level mobile device mechanics is minimal. On PC machines, I have worked with the Windows driver development kit, the PE file format, Windows API, and x86 assembly for the previously mentioned field. But, at the end of the day, the most experience I have dealing with custom ROM loading is using entirely prebuilt tools. This includes using a pre-compiled, ready-to-go rooting tool, ClockworkMod, etc. But, I'm still willing to help in any way possible.
I have a Samsung Focus running the official build of Mango from Microsoft. It's currently my primary mobile phone, but I'm willing to use it for bug-testing a custom Android ROM.
If the technical specifications page was wrong, or I was misunderstood in the reasons for not porting Android to the Focus, please let me know. This is something I've wanted to do for a while, and I think could greatly benefit many other Windows Phone users. The ability to dual-boot Android and Windows Phone, on an extremely powerful mobile device, I think is just too great of an opportunity for any one of us to pass up.
EDIT: Here's to getting the ball rolling:
As I've seen in another thread here, people have installed ROM's other than the stock on the Focus. Now, in that scenario, they used the Samsung Omnia ROM (Windows Mobile 6.5?), which, obviously didn't work. But, would we be able to push an HTC Desire ROM through this way? Could anyone confirm this?
Don't anyone get ahead of themselves and try anything yet, but, just some ideas. Here's a link to the tools you might use to flash on the Samsung Focus.
Again, if you decide to go ahead and try messing with your phone, no one here is at fault. I'm just trying to lay the groundwork that will hopefully get Android on the Focus.
EDIT 2: Sorry if anything of this sounds really dumb or nonsensical. I'm tired after a long day of training for work. I'll check back here later tomorrow.

I have a Samsung focus and will be very happy to see this happen.

Good luck with this, but you're going to need to get past the bootloader first. Unlike WP7 phones from HTC, I believe the Samsung phones (Focus and Omnia 7) ship with locked SPLs that will only load officially-signed ROMs.

GoodDayToDie said:
Good luck with this, but you're going to need to get past the bootloader first. Unlike WP7 phones from HTC, I believe the Samsung phones (Focus and Omnia 7) ship with locked SPLs that will only load officially-signed ROMs.
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Was the Mango beta for developers "officially-signed"? As a registered WP dev, I was able to load the Mango beta on my phone. With that fact in mind, it definitely can't be Samsung signing the ROM's, if anyone.

Yes, of course the official Microsoft Windows Phone developer beta distributed from the Microsoft download site had Microsoft's digital signature on it.

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Yes, of course the official Microsoft Windows Phone developer beta distributed from the Microsoft download site had Microsoft's digital signature on it.
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I guess that's just wishful thinking that they wouldn't sign unfinished releases. The next hope I assume would be either a hardware hack or finding a bug in the loader itself. Or would it be possible to write something to unload WP7 from memory, and load Android into memory?

Well, if the right people spend enough time looking, almost every bootloader has been broken open at some point. That's true even on consoles, which both have the space and power to spare for very good hardware, and have an extremely strong motive to make the security good. The catch is getting the right people interested in the project.
Or you could vote with your wallet, and support companies that provide unlocked and hacker-friendly hardware. On WP7, at least until Mango, that company was HTC. Now, I'm thinking my next phone may well be an LG (built-in registry editing!) although there are points in Samsung's favor too. Also, it remains to be seen what can be done with Nokia phones.

android on the focus
i would love to see this happen

the rom would need the engineering key for the spl to allow it to load
there's more to this than it has the same processor, the linux kernel would need all the modules for all of the hardware.
good luck, but, without the reverse engineering tool, you can't get far.
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Well, if the right people spend enough time looking, almost every bootloader has been broken open at some point. That's true even on consoles, which both have the space and power to spare for very good hardware, and have an extremely strong motive to make the security good. The catch is getting the right people interested in the project.
Or you could vote with your wallet, and support companies that provide unlocked and hacker-friendly hardware. On WP7, at least until Mango, that company was HTC. Now, I'm thinking my next phone may well be an LG (built-in registry editing!) although there are points in Samsung's favor too. Also, it remains to be seen what can be done with Nokia phones.
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that's the thing though, microsoft mandates that the phones be locked.

Hmmm, you saw that:
http://pocketnow.com/smartphone-news/htc-hd7-gets-android-via-cooked-chinese-rom-video
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announcement regarding ICS coming in July

Announcement:
With the recent announcement that the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus series will be getting ICS next month (in July), and the implied failure of Samsung to deliver ICS in June after previously announcing it, Samsung has managed to take over the Second Greatest Lie in the World, displacing "I won't cum in your mouth." If Samsung succeeds in this same pattern for the next 8 months, it will have a shot at taking over the top spot, still held by "The check is in the mail." The current top three Greatest Lies in the World, in rank order, are:
#1: The check is in the mail.
#2: You'll get ICS next month.
#3: I won't cum in your mouth.
Company representatives declined to be interviewed officially for this story, stating that they'll make an official press release in the beginning of next month. However, they have allowed information to leak anonymously that Samsung believes they have held the #2 spot all along, as "I won't cum in your mouth" only applies to Apple products sold in the USA.
In addition, Samsung lawyers have filed in injunction in Canadian courts attempting to displace "The check is in the mail." According to the documents filed, Samsung believes that this statement must be broken into two seperate statements, one for paper mail and another for electronic mail. Doing so would allow Samsung's ICS promise to overtake the number one spot.
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LOL. Hope Samsung is reading this thread.

ahhahaha EPIC

Must be getting old :fingers-crossed:. i thought the number one lie was "The Dog Ate It!" :cyclops:

Damn gary, I thought you did known better.
Ics update to us is "eligible" for one of the greatest lies. There is no real position for it yet.
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Did they happen to mention July of what year?

GTOJim said:
Did they happen to mention July of what year?
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Hmm, I think you probably meant to say "of what decade".

Gents,
a few questions.
a.) Which is the functionality that is only present in ICS and you can't use it in
Honeycomb right now?
b.) If you are so fed-up with your Samsung why don't you sell it and buy something else?
Honestly for me it doesn't matter if I get ICS in July, August or next year.
I am just perfectly fine with the current 3.2 version. Both my 7+ and 7.7 can
do just the thing I need them to do.
It's just funny to see different threads talking about the same cr*p, how certain people is fed-up with their tablets but they can't do anything else then wine. Guess they are not THAT fed-up with the tablet at all (if they still have their tablets). Or?

Why did you wrote this post. Do you think we would agree with you even remotely. I think you'd better farted.
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nutzo said:
Gents,
a few questions.
a.) Which is the functionality that is only present in ICS and you can't use it in
Honeycomb right now?
b.) If you are so fed-up with your Samsung why don't you sell it and buy something else?
Honestly for me it doesn't matter if I get ICS in July, August or next year.
I am just perfectly fine with the current 3.2 version. Both my 7+ and 7.7 can
do just the thing I need them to do.
It's just funny to see different threads talking about the same cr*p, how certain people is fed-up with their tablets but they can't do anything else then wine. Guess they are not THAT fed-up with the tablet at all (if they still have their tablets). Or?
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A) Better battery life, better memory management, the ability to clear the Recent Apps list, the ability to use Chrome, the ability to save videos offline in the YouTube app, fixed Wifi Sleep of Death issues, upgraded standard browser... The list goes on.
B) If the Nexus 7 shows up in store soon, I may well do so.
Most of those people would jump ship if there was a reasonable alternative available. Enter the Nexus 7 and maybe Asus's original tablet.

I agree in some parts with the pro HC guy. There are no strong reasons for someone sell or buy other tablets only for the ICS. And a lot of people are pissed with HC only because ics exists.
But unfortunately he posted In a slightly wrong thread. As this one is biased on the lack of respect of samsung on keep promisses.
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leodfs said:
I agree in some parts with the pro HC guy. There are no strong reasons for someone sell or buy other tablets only for the ICS. And a lot of people are pissed with HC only because ics exists.
But unfortunately he posted In a slightly wrong thread. As this one is biased on the lack of respect of samsung on keep promisses.
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I'm pissed with HC because it's still bugged - it's not GPU accelerated and gets sluggish at times, and many various bugs aren't patched - those fixes come in ICS (as listed above). More importantly Google appears to have completely abandoned HC support in favour of the unified ICS OS, which incorporates fixes and improvements to performance, battery life, various kernel bugs which caused the Sleep of Death problems, and more software is getting out there which either needs ICS for full functionality (or to run at all).
And the worst part? Samsung's been making empty promises for months, while pushing out tablets which are very similar to the 7+ in hardware with ICS already in place. All the while talking about how the original devices are eligible for upgrades... but then mysteriously letting the deadlines get extended. Even for Nexus devices, some of which are still waiting for current versions of ICS - yet they're able to ship out new Galaxy S III's with the most current Honeycomb version in markets where Galaxy Nexus phones are still waiting for 4.0.2 or 4.0.4 (which is on the Galaxy S III). It's obviously not a problem with being unable to recompile the radios or whatever's delaying those devices - it seems more that they're unwilling to deliver updates to keep your phone secure and current in features, and would much rather you buy a new device. Even if you're on the 'pure Android' Nexus, much less one of the Galaxy Tabs like what most of the people here have.
I'm just very, very glad that Asus got the Nexus 7 tablet - at least they deliver updates, even if some of the updates need fixing on occasion.

The only reason a Galaxy Nexus would be waiting on an updated is because of the carrier that it is on. Different carrier set-ups require different software tweaks. That's why only unlocked GSM devices are "true" Nexus devices.
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nutzo said:
Gents,
a few questions.
a.) Which is the functionality that is only present in ICS and you can't use it in
Honeycomb right now?
b.) If you are so fed-up with your Samsung why don't you sell it and buy something else?
Honestly for me it doesn't matter if I get ICS in July, August or next year.
I am just perfectly fine with the current 3.2 version. Both my 7+ and 7.7 can
do just the thing I need them to do.
It's just funny to see different threads talking about the same cr*p, how certain people is fed-up with their tablets but they can't do anything else then wine. Guess they are not THAT fed-up with the tablet at all (if they still have their tablets). Or?
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I agree with you about the Samsung not updating thing because it isn't exactly new, so we really have no real grounds to complain about common knowledge.

nutzo said:
Gents,
a few questions.
a.) Which is the functionality that is only present in ICS and you can't use it in
Honeycomb right now?
b.) If you are so fed-up with your Samsung why don't you sell it and buy something else?
Honestly for me it doesn't matter if I get ICS in July, August or next year.
I am just perfectly fine with the current 3.2 version. Both my 7+ and 7.7 can
do just the thing I need them to do.
It's just funny to see different threads talking about the same cr*p, how certain people is fed-up with their tablets but they can't do anything else then wine. Guess they are not THAT fed-up with the tablet at all (if they still have their tablets). Or?
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Well u must put in consideration that not all of us use our tabs the same am I right? I agree that its not really that big of a deal. But I can see how it can for some people. Me and my friend bought the same tab but he uses it for almost everything. From entertainment(movies, gaming YouTube...) to school work. And I have seen his device its not as fast as mine. And if ics seems more promising then maybe its worth a shot. Its free right? You've got nothing to loose really? But personally I've tried ics on my sisters Sony tab and I must say that honestly there is a substantial difference in performance. As for heavy users I mean. But hey its just an update its a win win situation for everyone right?

Oh man, that was funny. Although, I was always under the impression that the number one lie in the world was, "I love you too."

The UK user manual has been updated on the 6th to include details about using ICS.
One can only assume that it is expected pretty sharpish;
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c..._UM_EU_Icecream_Eng_Rev.1.0_120704_Screen.pdf

SWFlyerUK said:
The UK user manual has been updated on the 6th to include details about using ICS.
One can only assume that it is expected pretty sharpish;
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c..._UM_EU_Icecream_Eng_Rev.1.0_120704_Screen.pdf
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Hopefully it will be out real soon...

Well, in my experiance of manuals being put on the website - the firmware has been released the following week. Has happened with Archos a few times.