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permroot for S-off MyTouch 4G Slide

How i got perm root on my MT4GS (does not give S-off just permroot of an S-off device)
YOU NEED TO HAVE A S-OFF device!
1)Start off with a fresh install of the TMO 1.28 ROM
2)Used temp root from MT4GSROOT.zip Thanks TeamWin for the temproot method Here is thread for orgnial files)
open MT4GSROOT\ADB (on pc)
Make sure that you have USB debugging turned on (on phone) and drivers installed to PC
Run Fre3voMT4gS.bat (from MT4GSROOT\ADB)
3)check in ternimal ((on phone) need to install from market)) and see if you have root (I got permission denied)
4)ran superonclick with Gingerbreak exploit (thanks CLShortFuse for making this tool) (on pc) - S1C thread
open MT4GSROOT and click on Superoneclick.exe
change exploit to Gingerbreak
hit root
Installed busybox when asked by S1C
Run Su test and looked on phone and Superuser asked for permission
5)Tried opening a app that uses root (root explorer) and SU FC on me
6)go to market and make sure you had latest version Installed (i had an update I needed)
7)Update binary when opening SU for the first time
Allow the SU app SU priviliages (funny I know)
8)Open a root app (root explorer again) and SU asked for permission
Test for permroot
turned off fastboot
deleted a system/app file (in this case htcfmwidget and htcfmwidge.obex) -using the r/w option in root explorer
Rebooted phone and reopened root explorer and looked for removed files and they were not there
None of the tools that I included were made by me they were made by the people I thanked. I just wrote the script for the tools to work. go to their threads and thank them.
Disclaimer I am not responsible for breaking your phone, melting it, or anything that may happen when doing this. Remember this is your choice
I have been able to use Root explorer, Titanium backup, terminal emulator and was able to remove APKs from the system folder that I do not want.

This is awesome!
So how did you get s-off? Did it ship that way?

raycaster3 said:
So how did you get s-off? Did it ship that way?
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Mine was shipped s-off ordered online
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crackeyes said:
Mine was shipped s-off ordered online
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That's awesome that we've acheived perm root already.
If you don't mind me asking, did you do the preorder process from t-mobile?
I am extremely interested in this, but I hate preorders

crackeyes said:
Mine was shipped s-off ordered online
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Killer. Mine is being shipped the 27th. I can't wait to give this a try. Now all we need is miui for this phone and we're all set! Haha
Sent from my demonSPEED Glacier

raycaster3 said:
Killer. Mine is being shipped the 27th. I can't wait to gibe this a try. Now all we need is miui for this phone and we're all set! Haha
Sent from my demonSPEED Glacier
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Oh no, I just realized he is probably talking about the DoubleShot.
For some reason I have a feeling that the delay for T-Mobile USA customers is due to HTC installing a S-On bootloader

poormanq45 said:
That's awesome that we've acheived perm root already.
If you don't mind me asking, did you do the preorder process from t-mobile?
I am extremely interested in this, but I hate preorders
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I didn't preorder I acquired at a meet and greet where they gave me place to get it
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App

Please don't ask for ETA's people would start coming in MT4GS section soon It come's with stock 2.3.4 so all we need is a custom ROM & were fine . I will be creating a TouchWiz 4.0 ROM w/Sense w/ MIUI icon's .
raycaster3 said:
Killer. Mine is being shipped the 27th. I can't wait to give this a try. Now all we need is miui for this phone and we're all set! Haha
Sent from my demonSPEED Glacier
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No S-OFF on retail devices folks.
P

I cant get to get my computer to find it, is asking for the driver.... I try but I need the drivers it only appears as android phone on the management.
Update the driver comes on the original SD card, i swapped it which I didn't realized till now
Update 2: After finding the driver I still cant get root access.... anyone done it already?

waiting89 said:
I cant get to get my computer to find it, is asking for the driver.... I try but I need the drivers it only appears as android phone on the management.
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Install htc sync but make sure it is not running
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I got it working and follow the step of rooting, but I still dont get any root access...

is it possible to extract the s-off boot-loader from a device with s-off already? My understanding of these procedures is rudimentary at best, but if my understanding is correct, the boot-loader is a specific partition on the device, if someone with an s-off device could copy that image to their computer or just a folder on their sd-card, it should be possible then to share that with others who could then write that image to their boot-loader partion using fastboot. or can you not use fastboot until s-off is achieved? i hate that i always forget these things once i have my device running the way i want it to.

shizenyasuya said:
is it possible to extract the s-off boot-loader from a device with s-off already? My understanding of these procedures is rudimentary at best, but if my understanding is correct, the boot-loader is a specific partition on the device, if someone with an s-off device could copy that image to their computer or just a folder on their sd-card, it should be possible then to share that with others who could then write that image to their boot-loader partion using fastboot. or can you not use fastboot until s-off is achieved? i hate that i always forget these things once i have my device running the way i want it to.
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The Stupid Noob wants to know...
What the heck is "S-off"??

shizenyasuya said:
is it possible to extract the s-off boot-loader from a device with s-off already? My understanding of these procedures is rudimentary at best, but if my understanding is correct, the boot-loader is a specific partition on the device, if someone with an s-off device could copy that image to their computer or just a folder on their sd-card, it should be possible then to share that with others who could then write that image to their boot-loader partion using fastboot. or can you not use fastboot until s-off is achieved? i hate that i always forget these things once i have my device running the way i want it to.
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In order to flash the s-off bootloader you would have to have a eng bootloader. to put that on you would need s-off dont you love loop 22
As for s-off it means you can flash what ever you want to your device and it will not check to see if HTC signed it and approved it for you

thanks for that works great!!!!!!!!! also mine is from a retail store same day it came out

is it possible to build a PG59IMG file and pack the S-Off hboot into there?? possibly use HexEdit to make sure the version numbers match so that the phone will think it's just a factory reset/update file??

DJAeroX26 said:
is it possible to build a PG59IMG file and pack the S-Off hboot into there?? possibly use HexEdit to make sure the version numbers match so that the phone will think it's just a factory reset/update file??
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I think just by making that one hexedit you instantly invalidate the sign on the the zip. Mainly because hashing the new file would give you a different result.
This mechanism actually prevents OTA updates from flashing if the file was changed due to (for example) corruption.
Not entirely sure but I think it's how it works.
That being said I was wondering what would happen if someone with an S-OFF hboot were to dump it and someone with S-ON would simply DD the right partition after achieving temp root.
On any normal computer that process would work. Wondering what secret HTC things happen under the hood though.

Akujin said:
I think just by making that one hexedit you instantly invalidate the sign on the the zip. Mainly because hashing the new file would give you a different result.
This mechanism actually prevents OTA updates from flashing if the file was changed due to (for example) corruption.
Not entirely sure but I think it's how it works.
That being said I was wondering what would happen if someone with an S-OFF hboot were to dump it and someone with S-ON would simply DD the right partition after achieving temp root.
On any normal computer that process would work. Wondering what secret HTC things happen under the hood though.
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There's only one way to find out.
Sent from a Western Union telegram.

Akujin said:
I think just by making that one hexedit you instantly invalidate the sign on the the zip. Mainly because hashing the new file would give you a different result.
This mechanism actually prevents OTA updates from flashing if the file was changed due to (for example) corruption.
Not entirely sure but I think it's how it works.
That being said I was wondering what would happen if someone with an S-OFF hboot were to dump it and someone with S-ON would simply DD the right partition after achieving temp root.
On any normal computer that process would work. Wondering what secret HTC things happen under the hood though.
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Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying that. I thought it would work because last time I did a warranty exchange, I had to return to stock but I had an ENG hboot and I was scared of bricking by using a factory image, so I took the factory image zip, unpacked it, "injected" the original hboot (which I hex edited to match the version number so that it'll take it as an update) and rezipped it and named it PC10IMG.zip. and yea I have a G2 but I want this phone :]
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[Q] <Noob Alert> HTC Bootloader Unlock

If I unlock my sensation's bootloader with the official process provided by HTC, what benefits do I get?
I understand I can install any ROM I want and that my warranty would be voided, but:
1) Do I get root access?
2) Can I uninstall unwanted bloatware?
3) Will I have any ROM issues?
4) Would my phone be less secure?
Thanks for your help!

1. You get root access, but to actually use it, a separate package containing the su binary and superuser needs to be flashed.
2. Yep, using Root Explorer (the easiest option IMO).
3. The only way you'll have ROM issues is by flashing a ROM, which is always going to be risky. But if you unlock the phone, but carry on using stock HTC Sense, no you shouldn't have any problems.
4. Depends what you mean by secure tbh. If you mean more likely to get viruses etc, no. But it's less secure by the fact that the security flag (S-OFF Security-OFF) is now off. However, if you use revolutionary.io (the unofficial unlocking process) you have more commands you can use and you have greater access to the actual innards of the phone.
Plus by using revolutionary.io, HTC do not actually know you have unlocked the phone. If you ever need to send it in for warranty repair, just reverse the revolutionary.io process and your warranty will not be voided (in HTC's eyes, at least).

What is the separate package to flash for root? I've tried a bunch and none of them work.

Flash THIS package to obtain superuser and the su binary. Flash through ClockWorkMod and remember to do a nandroid backup!

oh, I can't even get CWM to install. It just says error wrong version or something like that in the fastboot screen.

almostinsane said:
oh, I can't even get CWM to install. It just says error wrong version or something like that in the fastboot screen.
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Have you tried ROM Manager? Give me the exact error fastboot/adb gives you, I *might* be able to help.

ROM manager won't work unless you are rooted. There error message is 'model ID incorrect' when trying to flash PG58IMG.zip.
same as here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1243648.html

almostinsane said:
ROM manager won't work unless you are rooted. There error message is 'model ID incorrect' when trying to flash PG58IMG.zip.
same as here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1243648.html
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Oh yeah, forgot about that
I'll do some research and get back to you
EDIT: Did you use HTCdev to unlock? Try using revolutionary.io and see if it works when/if HTCdev has already been used. Report back with your results

so also being a noob. I can get revolutionary to see my phone and show my serial but when i put in the beta key, it states that it is an invalid key. Why would this be? any help would be great.
Thanks

johnnywhojr said:
so also being a noob. I can get revolutionary to see my phone and show my serial but when i put in the beta key, it states that it is an invalid key. Why would this be? any help would be great.
Thanks
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It's case sensitive. Copy the code, then Ron the top left of the Revolutionary command window right click and paste the code.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk

good thing to know

redbullcat said:
Oh yeah, forgot about that
I'll do some research and get back to you
EDIT: Did you use HTCdev to unlock? Try using revolutionary.io and see if it works when/if HTCdev has already been used. Report back with your results
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Yeah, used HTC dev.

almostinsane said:
Yeah, used HTC dev.
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Yep. Like I said, try using revolutionary.io. If it gives you an error message, take a screenshot and upload it here Anything else, report back. You could even take a video if you want!

Rhiannon224 said:
It's case sensitive. Copy the code, then Ron the top left of the Revolutionary command window right click and paste the code.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk
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got it working via the copy and paste way. thanks for the assistance

HTC Desire HD update to ICS
redbullcat said:
Flash THIS package to obtain superuser and the su binary. Flash through ClockWorkMod and remember to do a nandroid backup!
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hi there i am also using HTC desire HD but want to update its software to ICS, please tell me how to achieve this goal. also looking for urdu language support in text msges in my desire HD.

mzsgoheer786 said:
hi there i am also using HTC desire HD but want to update its software to ICS, please tell me how to achieve this goal. also looking for urdu language support in text msges in my desire HD.
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it would be better to ask this in Desire HD forums
this is only for sensation/xe/4G

Removing stock apps

Hi,
I was wondering how to remove the apps that come with the phone on vodafone as i recently changed to 3 or can i flash the 3 ruu to my phone? Thanks
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App

You could flash the Sense 3.0 ROM before the Vodafone upgrade
You may need to create a GoldCard to be able to flash it (if you have a different CID).
But in order to remove any stock apps, you have to be S-Off or HTCdev unlock your phone and either get root on your phone or install a custom pre-rooted ROM.

I want to get rid of the vodafone ones and install the 3 ones how do i do this?
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deadphone99 said:
I want to get rid of the vodafone ones and install the 3 ones how do i do this?
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You need to install another HTC RUU (e.g. the European) and you'll be fine.
Is your DS also SIM locked? If yes, you may need to unlock it afterwards.
Sent from somewhere around the globe using XDA app on my HTC Desire S

So can i install the 3 ruu on my phone? If i download it and install it and what is a goldcard?
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See this post here on how to create a goldcard. The goldgard is needed in order to bypass the CID check of the official RUU (or to "fool" the CID check). And then you'll be able to run the RUU you want
Sent from somewhere around the globe using XDA app on my HTC Desire S

Thanks, so if i download the 3 ruu and flash it will it come up with the 3 apps etc?
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does anyone know what to do?

If i reflash rom will it wipe my root and will it wipe my pictures stored on sd card?
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deadphone99 said:
If i reflash rom will it wipe my root and will it wipe my pictures stored on sd card?
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deadphone..... Really?
Do you know why nobody's answering your questions? Because they indicate that you haven't done any reading whatsoever, and you're too eager to jump into stuff you haven't the slightest clue about. I suggest you read up about android in general, how stuff works on this device in particular, read about bricks that have been made off perfectly good phones because of reckless flashing and following the advice of other novices, who have no idea what they're suggesting... And when you think you're done reading, and know everything there is to know,..... read some more!
I only say this because you and your very helpful "guide" friend here are dillydallying with things like RUU, goldcard, CID hacks, etc.... which is more advanced stuff than you're equipped to handle currently, and this thread looks like a disaster waiting to happen.
Do you know what trouble an incompatible RUU can get you into, if you don't use it correctly? Just S-off your phone and flash a custom ROM man... there are so many stock, pre-rooted ROMs available!
Wait. Patience. Read. Tutorials. Guides. Those are what you should be looking for...........not RUU, Goldcard, CID, Misc_version. You're not there yet.

enigmaamit said:
I only say this because you and your very helpful "guide" friend here are dillydallying with things like RUU, goldcard, CID hacks, etc.... which is more advanced stuff than you're equipped to handle currently, and this thread looks like a disaster waiting to happen.
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What did I do wrong? I'm just trying to help that guy out, that's why I'm giving him mainly links to other threads in here.
Reading them is considered a must!

doghous said:
What did I do wrong? I'm just trying to help that guy out
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Nothing.
If you haven't figured it out even now...go ahead, make a Goldcard, and flash a 3 RUU on a Vodafone branded phone. See where that gets you. Do you think CID is the only thing an RUU checks when upgrading a ROM?
I'm sorry if I offended you... maybe you could try out what you just suggested to that guy on your own phone and educate me... I seem to have gotten my concepts wrong.

enigmaamit said:
Nothing.
If you haven't figured it out even now...go ahead, make a Goldcard, and flash a 3 RUU on a Vodafone branded phone. See where that gets you. Do you think CID is the only thing an RUU checks when upgrading a ROM?
I'm sorry if I offended you... maybe you could try out what you just suggested to that guy on your own phone and educate me... I seem to have gotten my concepts wrong.
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Have to agree with you there, this RUU thing is very dangerous if not handled properly. I've already had an issue flashing the wron RUU, which resulted in my bootloader saying *****Security Warning***** and also i became S-off! Had to take it to HTC, but fortunately they didn't make an issue, and replaced my phone. Have stayed away from RUUs ever since. From what i have read, just making a goldcard is not enough... you need to change Misc_version too, or something like that.

How do i s-off my phone then? Hboot 2.00.0002 and every guide i read says that i have to downgrade is there a way around this? I know you have just said read up but i cant find any guides that say how to s off with my hboot without downgrading
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deadphone99 said:
How do i s-off my phone then? Hboot 2.00.0002 and every guide i read says that i have to downgrade is there a way around this? I know you have just said read up but i cant find any guides that say how to s off with my hboot without downgrading
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App
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Your post started with "How to remove stock apps"
You never provided any details about your phone... I didn't know you were still s-on!! Why didn't you mention that anywhere?

i didn't think it would be relevant at the time, now i know this next time i start a new topic i will include details about my phone. Anyway, the details for my phone are:
hboot 2.00.0002 s-off unlocked with htcdev so what can i do now?

I dont know anything about s-off because i dont have a htc but i do know when you are rooted you can use es file explorer or root explorer to delete apps.In es settings set system as read/write and then navigate to /system/app and delete any apk you want but dont get carried away because you can mess your phone up.Just delete the pre-installed apps you dont want.
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deadphone99 said:
If i reflash rom will it wipe my root and will it wipe my pictures stored on sd card?
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And just so you know flashing a custom rom doesn't erase sd card data.
Sent from my LG-P350 using XDA premium

OK, so let me ask a completely different question, forget about flashing different ruu's to my phone. how do I flash a custom stock ROM to my phone? details about hboot are above. I would like help directly as I don't want to screw this up and i am new to Android.

enigmaamit said:
Nothing.
If you haven't figured it out even now...go ahead, make a Goldcard, and flash a 3 RUU on a Vodafone branded phone. See where that gets you. Do you think CID is the only thing an RUU checks when upgrading a ROM?
I'm sorry if I offended you... maybe you could try out what you just suggested to that guy on your own phone and educate me... I seem to have gotten my concepts wrong.
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First of all I thought that this is a community where everyone in here is supposed to help each other and not to start flaming or using irony to say to someone that he may be wrong.
We weren't all born to be experts or geniuses like you may be so you could be just a little bit polite when saying to someone that "hey you are wrong because from my experience you need to do this or that".
I'm new in the Android platform since I've been an android user for only 1,5 year but I believe I managed to play a bit with it, since for the last 7 months I'm constantly "messing" with my old devices.
And no I didn't get offended, I just don't like to see great communities, as XDA, lose their good name / status.
No hard feelings though.
The S-OFF or HTCdev unlock, flashing a custom recovery and installing a custom ROM may be the "easiest" way to do it, but what if the user didn't want to have a custom rom?
As for me trying the suggested method on my DS, well that's what I did in November to my DS, before I decided to go with a custom rom in January.
My DS, even though I got it from a Greek mobile operator (COTE), it was branded (with CID: T-MOBN14) but without any 3rd party apps. Other friends in Greece with DS have a CID: HTC__001 or another that I don't remember it atm but it stands for HTC_ELL (Greece).
After reading the 6th post of this thread, I simply did what you can see on the posts #286 & 288 in this thread.
I don't know if I got lucky or not but my DS worked flawlessly until the 1st week of January when I decided to unlock it using HTCdev, flash 4ext recovery and install CoreDroid.
Based on what I did, I suggested to deadphone99 to go with the Goldcard solution.
Anyway, I'm sorry if I just got lucky and my suggestion may caused deadphone99 to get a dead phone
deadphone99 said:
OK, so let me ask a completely different question, forget about flashing different ruu's to my phone. how do I flash a custom stock ROM to my phone? details about hboot are above. I would like help directly as I don't want to screw this up and i am new to Android.
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Go to this thread and take it from the beginning, you will find answers to all your questions regarding the S-Off, custom recovery and flashing a custom rom

[htc] unlocking utility

I have been able to create a method of unlocking ANY unlockable hboot, on any device (as far as i can tell)
The method works on S-on, stock recovery devices. As of right now im linking to a specific device, however, if you only use the unlock youll be fine. I need testers from other HTC devices.
My first thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24370319#post24370319
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I can confirm this works for MetroPCS Widfire S A510c hboot 1.10.0000. It unlocked my bootloader just fine. No steps required from HTCDev.
Many thanks Simon! Keep up the great work.

Great news!
But it's not full S-OFF, is it?

Not yet. This sets you up for it. Soon an soff will be out the developers of it need kernel help and I'm tryin to help them get it working
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simonsimons34 said:
Not yet. This sets you up for it. Soon an soff will be out the developers of it need kernel help and I'm tryin to help them get it working
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..well when s-off is out? Really dont unerstand for what is your "unlocking utility" then?

This utility allows you to unlock your bootloader without HTCDev, thus saving your warranty
Simon is working on getting universal S-OFF with some other devs. Will take a few, but he'll get it.

bobdamnit said:
This utility allows you to unlock your bootloader without HTCDev, thus saving your warranty
Simon is working on getting universal S-OFF with some other devs. Will take a few, but he'll get it.
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with the option 1 of his tool "Bootloader Unlock CDMA ONLY" ??

That I'm not too sure about. I was told it was universal but needed testing. Simon and I have confirmed it working on several CDMA HTC Wildfire S's. (The only HTC phones we have access to, currently.)
I would say wait for Simon to confirm it should work on GSM HTC phones. I only helped with the code, so I don't know much about the mechanics of the utility.
Sorry.

according the .bat file all the stuff seems to be specific to the wildfire. So I don't undersand why simon is asking us to test it on other devices ?

geek78 said:
according the .bat file all the stuff seems to be specific to the wildfire. So I don't undersand why simon is asking us to test it on other devices ?
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Because this method should work on ANY HTC phone with ANY hboot. We are asking you to try it so it can be confirmed. (Confirmed on Marvelc only so far.)
If you know batch, you can absolutely modify it to your liking.
Also, if you had read the original post:
Simonsimon34 said:
As of right now im linking to a specific device, however, if you only use the unlock youll be fine. I need testers from other HTC devices.
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If you read the .bat file you can see that this can't work on another device

geek78 said:
If you read the .bat file you can see that this can't work on another device
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S-OFF, no. That onlly works on CDMA Widlfire S. Unlock, yes. That should work on ANY HTC device, no matter what the batch file is calling. (It will still perform as it is supposed to.)
I helped write the batch file dude.

bobdamnit said:
S-OFF, no. That onlly works on CDMA Widlfire S. Unlock, yes. That should work on ANY HTC device, no matter what the batch file is calling. (It will still perform as it is supposed to.)
I helped write the batch file dude.
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...can you attach the batch file here?

j4n87 said:
...can you attach the batch file here?
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No I cannot. Since I am not claiming to be the author (only helped him a bit), I will not post their work. If Simon wants to release it, I'm sure he will.
I will however, give you a hint. Download the exe and run it. Leave it open and check your temp files. The batch file is in there somewhere.
Also, guys, give it a shot. At best, it works. At worst, it doesnt, and you still have a locked bootloader.

GUYS I will tell you how it works soon heck ill make its own release if you guys arnt suited with it. I just need to know if option one works. It uses a temp root pulls your misc img and modifys YOUR misc. This then flashes removes temp root and you have an unlocked bootloader. Just make sure your bootloader is up to date. There is nothing specific in the unlock
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simonsimons34 said:
GUYS I will tell you how it works soon heck ill make its own release if you guys arnt suited with it. I just need to know if option one works. It uses a temp root pulls your misc img and modifys YOUR misc. This then flashes removes temp root and you have an unlocked bootloader. Just make sure your bootloader is up to date. There is nothing specific in the unlock
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...well tried it on my HTC One X. no joy.
At least its says still "Locked" in bootloader.

Can you make sure no errors were thrown when temp rooting ? Or errors at all. Sometimes it tries to push too soon. Also can you try downgradeing to the lowest possible
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simonsimons34 said:
Can you make sure no errors were thrown when temp rooting ? Or errors at all. Sometimes it tries to push too soon. Also can you try downgradeing to the lowest possible
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..the HTC One is even not officially out in most countrys.
Theres nothing to downgrade.

Oh its because of the way I temp root. They must of patched it.
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why you should NOT turn s-on!

i got this pm and i thot it was worth everyone to see. while i do not recomend turning any device s on,a verizon device that is not unlockable via htcdev is of much more importance,as the only thing that can rescue it is a new enough,signed RUU.
it really is not worth the risk,i promise.
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nicholi2789 said:
Hey there, Sorry to bother you with a PM like a noob, but I just have a quick question for you. I have just received a Certified like new replacement M8 from Verizon because my original one had a manufacturer defect. My original one was S-OFF, rooted, with custom recovery and the latest firmware (1.55.605.2) from Verizon. I'm trying to get it back to as close to stock as possible so Verizon doesn't try and say I modified it and mak me pay for it. I already un-rooted it, flashed stock recovery, and took the latest OTA so my radios match my software version. Then I followed this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2708571
to re-lock the bootloader and set the lock status flag. It says locked again in fastboot.
The only thing I have left is the S-OFF that displays in fastboot. I'm trying to find a way to reset that, or at least modify it so it shows S-ON. That way if by some weird chance a Verizon employee boots it to fastboot it will show completely stock and S-ON.
Now i've found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2475216 for resetting the S-OFF flag. I posted in it and asked if it would work on the M8 and nobody could give me an answer. XDA member brymaster5000 told me to ask you and that you could provide an answer.
So finally, my question is, will this fastboot command "fastboot oem writesecureflag 3" work to set my M8 back to S-ON? I know it works on the M7 but nobody can tell me for sure on the M8.
Thanks alot for your time.
Nick
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I would very strongly recommend that you do not turn s on. Phones came s off ,so leaving out that way is not an issue.
Turning s on may open a can of worms that you cannot recover from,and then you're paying for a phone for sure.
As long as your stock rom, recovery and locked you're good to go
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What do you mean phones came s-off? Verizon sent people m8s that already were s-off? It just seems like a super obvious indication that the device was modified. Your not the first person that has said that going back to s-on is a bad idea, so I will listen and not tempt fate. But iam curious, What can happen by doing that command that could cause such problems? And don't stock RUUs return you to s-on? Or do they just reset everything else but s-off?
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before any phone is released,batches are sent off to testers and these devices are always s off. i have owned several factory s off devices,and there is no way of proving the phone you have did not come this way. further, large phone resellers are able to use factory htc diagnostic files to clear security data(sim lock,s off,cid/mid),wich again is a legitimate reason a phone is s off.finding s off in the bootloader is not by any means a "super obvious" indication of having been messed with.
turning the phone s on could cause the tampered flag to reset(we dont completely understand all the things that trip it) or you could end up locked into bootloader with a security warning if the boot,system or recovery are not stock enough. either of these things ARE super obvious indicators that you have messed with it,and tried to hide it.
in the case of the security warning,the only course of action is to:
1)run a signed ruu(wich must meet many criteria since youre now s on)
or
2)re-unlock the bootloader. as you know,using htcdev to unlock is not possible with vzw
an ruu does not change/update the partition where the secutity flag lives and thus will NOT turn you s on.

Thanks for the write up, this should help some users decide. Wish it was as easy as flashing a pit file in Odin . That's one of the main reasons I've yet to root/s-off. HTC devices still confuse me xD
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wtoj34 said:
Thanks for the write up, this should help some users decide. Wish it was as easy as flashing a pit file in Odin . That's one of the main reasons I've yet to root/s-off. HTC devices still confuse me xD
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Agreed great write up... in reference to rooting the m8 it is very easy with weak sauce app I also find the s-off to be easier as well compared to Sammy devices using Odin. with my s4 like with the m8 there was no need for a pc for root but weak sause app is easier then using commands in a terminal emulator. Just my two sense.

thunderbls said:
Agreed great write up... in reference to rooting the m8 it is very easy with weak sauce app I also find the s-off to be easier as well compared to Sammy devices using Odin. with my s4 like with the m8 there was no need for a pc for root but weak sause app is easier then using commands in a terminal emulator. Just my two sense.
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You have missed the point... If you are locked into the bootloader with a security warning and s-on, you can not use weak sauce and firewater
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People need to realize that verizon reps and techs see hundreds of phones, they don't know the details of every device. The security and bootloader status is obvious to us because it's our device and we know everything about it. To a samsung person they won't know WTF your talking about.
Scotty, Would one be able to save their device if they had S-Off, modified the CID, then used HTCDev to get their unlock token before embarking on an endeavor to re-lock the phone? In theory would they be able to use the unlock token even after the CID was changed back and the security flags turned on?

l7777 said:
Scotty, Would one be able to save their device if they had S-Off, modified the CID, then used HTCDev to get their unlock token before embarking on an endeavor to re-lock the phone? In theory would they be able to use the unlock token even after the CID was changed back and the security flags turned on?
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Not really... More later
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Yes, I misinterpreted the comment as general ease of use which makes me look like an idiot given the reason for the response.... my apologies and note to self read xda after nap lol.

l7777 said:
Scotty, Would one be able to save their device if they had S-Off, modified the CID, then used HTCDev to get their unlock token before embarking on an endeavor to re-lock the phone? In theory would they be able to use the unlock token even after the CID was changed back and the security flags turned on?
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the prollem is that the vzw cid/mid are blocked(by vzws request ) at htcdev. changing the cid and/or mid will let you get an unlock_code.bin that will officially unlock the bootloader,but this token is only good while the phone contains these same parameters. i.e., you cant get yourself a token,then change the cid and mid back to stock and have the "safety net" of a token in case of a catastrophic security warning. cid,mid,esn,etc must all stay same in order for the token to continue working.
Q:"well,what if i just leave the cid/mid at something different?"
A:that may work,but it may set the tampered flag if the phone realizes that those partitions no longer match. since the cid and mid live in write protected partitions,its also possible what once s is on and the phone starts checking things in its boot sequence,that the processor may freak out,and go into a "do not boot" mode when signitures do not match what they should. (read "do not boot" as: pretty affective hard brick only recoverable by jtag)
plus,even if the phone did boot,and did not set the tampered flag, the phone is not stock,and may fail OTAs or have other issues that may affect users the phone is sent back out to,or may give it away that you have modified it.
the fact is,that these phones are not checked very well,as was said above. the chance of it being noticed that the s off phone is even different than others is slim to none,and it is quite possible that the phone will make it back out into the wild as a refurb without any sort of refurbishing process. if you thot all phones were hooked to a master computer that completely reset things,checked hardware,flashed the newest firmware,and reset things like supercid,simlock and s off,youd be mistaken. due to this fact,it is my strong opinion that patched hboots(displaying incorrect info of locked and s on),or incorrect cid/mids are extremely unethical and should never be sent in to fraud htc or the carriers,espeically since it may affect other users. returning the phone to a stock,locked s-off state is honest,and will not affect a future users esperince. the device will OTA and funtion normally and the unsavy user will never even know they have a device that is special
hope that cleared it up some.
also,sorry if either of my replies earlier were rude,they were not intended to be,im only able to text to speech short replies while im at work.

scotty1223 said:
the prollem is that the vzw cid/mid are blocked(by vzws request ) at htcdev. changing the cid and/or mid will let you get an unlock_code.bin that will officially unlock the bootloader,but this token is only good while the phone contains these same parameters. i.e., you cant get yourself a token,then change the cid and mid back to stock and have the "safety net" of a token in case of a catastrophic security warning. cid,mid,esn,etc must all stay same in order for the token to continue working.
Q:"well,what if i just leave the cid/mid at something different?"
A:that may work,but it may set the tampered flag if the phone realizes that those partitions no longer match. since the cid and mid live in write protected partitions,its also possible what once s is on and the phone starts checking things in its boot sequence,that the processor may freak out,and go into a "do not boot" mode when signitures do not match what they should. (read "do not boot" as: pretty affective hard brick only recoverable by jtag)
plus,even if the phone did boot,and did not set the tampered flag, the phone is not stock,and may fail OTAs or have other issues that may affect users the phone is sent back out to,or may give it away that you have modified it.
the fact is,that these phones are not checked very well,as was said above. the chance of it being noticed that the s off phone is even different than others is slim to none,and it is quite possible that the phone will make it back out into the wild as a refurb without any sort of refurbishing process. if you thot all phones were hooked to a master computer that completely reset things,checked hardware,flashed the newest firmware,and reset things like supercid,simlock and s off,youd be mistaken. due to this fact,it is my strong opinion that patched hboots(displaying incorrect info of locked and s on),or incorrect cid/mids are extremely unethical and should never be sent in to fraud htc or the carriers,espeically since it may affect other users. returning the phone to a stock,locked s-off state is honest,and will not affect a future users esperince. the device will OTA and funtion normally and the unsavy user will never even know they have a device that is special
hope that cleared it up some.
also,sorry if either of my replies earlier were rude,they were not intended to be,im only able to text to speech short replies while im at work.
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Excellent info, I wondered if the unlock token was tied to the cid/mid. My personal preference is once the phone is unlocked it stays that way. It's my device and I'll take the responsibility for whatever happens to it barring some kind of hardware defect.

l7777 said:
Excellent info, I wondered if the unlock token was tied to the cid/mid. My personal preference is once the phone is unlocked it stays that way. It's my device and I'll take the responsibility for whatever happens to it barring some kind of hardware defect.
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I agree completely.
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scotty1223 said:
I agree completely.
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Anyone at the point of "return" should at least trying running my RUUish zip from boot loader before even thinking about relocking or s-on.
?. Glad to see you throwing some support over here
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dottat said:
Anyone at the point of "return" should at least trying running my RUUish zip from boot loader before even thinking about relocking or s-on.
?. Glad to see you throwing some support over here
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Lol I try and throw support wherever its needed
So far, no m8 ruus yet. Hopefully some start popping up.
As far as I'm concerned,back to stock sequence is this:
While still rooted:
-return cid/mid to.stock
-reset tampered
-lock bootloader
Then:
-run release keys ruu
-collect underpants
-???
-proffit!
When ruu is not available,restore stock boot,system and recovery from backups.
After that's done allow phone to ota to current
Not sure why folks try and make it more complex than that
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How do you reset tampered?
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Lol I try and throw support wherever its needed
So far, no m8 ruus yet. Hopefully some start popping up.
As far as I'm concerned,back to stock sequence is this:
While still rooted:
-return cid/mid to.stock
-reset tampered
-lock bootloader
Then:
-run release keys ruu
-collect underpants
-???
-proffit!
When ruu is not available,restore stock boot,system and recovery from backups.
After that's done allow phone to ota to current
Not sure why folks try and make it more complex than that
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Paulb787 said:
How do you reset tampered?
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Search this forum for a thread. I'm at work, I can't link it at the moment
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scotty1223 said:
So far, no m8 ruus yet. Hopefully some start popping up.
Not sure why folks try and make it more complex than that
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sorta?
For those who stay s-off and have issues I put together an ruu of sorts that includes the ota firmware that will get users out of a sticky situation. ?
Between the two of us we can probably fix most software problems as long as users stay s-off once s-off!!!
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Ha, it's funny that you posted our PM conversation. It's kinda embarrassing but at least I asked someone who knew before just doing it, messing it up, then screaming to the forums for help. And while i am by no means a beginner Android power user, HTC devices are just a little bit different than the Samsung devices I am used to. Though there is alot of good information in this PM conversation that alot more people should know. Glad it could be of use! And thanks for taking the time to reply to my PMs Scotty. I appreciate that.

nicholi2789 said:
Ha, it's funny that you posted our PM conversation. It's kinda embarrassing but at least I asked someone who knew before just doing it, messing it up, then screaming to the forums for help. And while i am by no means a beginner Android power user, HTC devices are just a little bit different than the Samsung devices I am used to. Though there is alot of good information in this PM conversation that alot more people should know. Glad it could be of use! And thanks for taking the time to reply to my PMs Scotty. I appreciate that.
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I didn't mean to embarrass you. They were good questions I thot everyone should read. I should have asked you,and can edit them if you wish.
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I agree completely.
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Nah I wasn't really embarrassed. Haha. I just meant that it's slightly embarrassing that I knew so little about HTC devices, but not a big deal or anything. You were right to post it though, there is some good information there that will do lots of people good.

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sorta?
For those who stay s-off and have issues I put together an ruu of sorts that includes the ota firmware that will get users out of a sticky situation. ?
Between the two of us we can probably fix most software problems as long as users stay s-off once s-off!!!
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Definately a great rescue resource. I just want to make sure that folks understand that since it is unsigned,it will do them no good if they are s on,and stuck in bootloader with a security warning.
As you said,they must stay s off to benefit.(further supporting the point of this thread- don't turn s on)
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I was going to relock/S-On my defective M8 before returning it. I didn't have time though, and ended up just sending back only wiped and un-rooted, although I don't think /system was 100% stock. VZW sent me a text:
VZW FREE MSG: Thank You! The defective device you recently returned has been received by Verizon Wireless.
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That was several weeks ago, haven't heard a thing since. I'm assuming they didn't care it was unlocked, or they are very slow at processing the devices.