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Hi guys. I'm selling my Flint...here it is:
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Yeah, it's a bit cheeky, but when it's gone, it's gone...so hurry
If I saw this 3 weeks ago I would have gone for it surely
knowing HTC Athena 2 due out soon, I now prefers to wait till Athena 2 released.
best of luck! I did best offer you on that auction, but was declined.
Yeah too right it was declined. People offering me silly money. Think I'm stupid??? If people don't want to pay what these things are worth, they should either forget it and get a device that suits their budget, or wait a couple of years until it drops to the price you want to pay (judging by the offers, it'll be about 10 years!! ), instead of wasting my time and looking a little bit foolish...
Anyway it's still for sale if anybody's interested. Link updated and slightly reduced price.
Things to take into account:
Is it Simlocked to O2? I bought mine new and sim-free last year for £624 so if locked might be considered expensive for a second-hand item when you consider if anything goes wrong with it, they'd have to go through you go get it repaired.
Can you still actually leave buyers negative feedback? I thought that had been stopped by ebay.
Ponder said:
Things to take into account:
Is it Simlocked to O2? I bought mine new and sim-free last year for £624 so if locked might be considered expensive for a second-hand item when you consider if anything goes wrong with it, they'd have to go through you go get it repaired.
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O2 do not, and never have SIM locked their Windows Mobile devices. The Flint is pretty much the standard HTC offering, though the current ROM does not have the HTC Home front end.
O2 also tend to do warranty repairs based on the IMEI, so do not necessarily need the original owner to mediate things, as long as you are using an O2 SIM.
It seems amazing that prices seem to vary from around £320 to well over £500 on Ebay.
Thanks for clearing that up, if I were in the market it'd justify the cost for me.
Maybe if matmaneyre could point these things out in the item description it'd clear things up to the public in general and bring about a quicker sale
I still don't think it's possible to leave negative feedback to a buyer though, especially one with whom no transaction has actually occurred.
Yes- you're right. Ebay changed the rules at the end of last year, for better or worse, though as you say, it was never possible to leave FB for someone who didn't actually buy.
With Ebay, the content of the advert say's an awful lot about the product and the seller
I thought about buying that from you off of eBay.
Something doesn’t quite feel right about that auction.
You say it’s an upgrade, yet it’s not available as an upgrade!? Also you say it’s too complicated for you but it’s no more complicated than any other Windows mobile device.
Maybe I’m paranoid but...
To be honest, by 'too complicated for me' I really meant not quite right for me, as it has too many features I am not going to use, and I think I would be better off cashing in and getting something more suitable to my needs. Hope that clears it up a bit. I'd have put that in the description, but it seems to take so long to create a good listing just the way you want it, minor things that the everyday person browsing for such a device just get overlooked when you preview your listing before submitting it. Once you get to a stage where you think it sounds and looks good enough, you kinda just go with it.
As you say, it's no more complicated than any other WM device. It is available as an upgrade through O2, but strictly only to business customers. They are extremely hard to get hold of otherwise. I hounded them literally everyday for a month because I returned my faulty Serra (see my signature) and they couldn't offer me an equal or better replacement. All their Serras were out of stock - really messed me about for 4 weeks. In the end they backed down as there was nothing else they could offer me.
They don't know their ear from their elbow.
And I didn't realise you couldn't leave negative feedback to a buyer as luckily I've never been in a situation where I'd want to, although that's really only on there to make people think seriously before submitting an offer. I don't want to be relisting all the time for the sake of someone not reading the buyer restrictions or trying to scam me.
Hope that explains a few things...if you're still wary,. check my feedback. I've sold all my WM devices of the last 5 years on ebay (see sig again!) And see my postcount and view my posts too. I am a real, genuine human!!
Thanks everyone for the helpful info (didn't realise there was no simlock either!)
In general section is a thread called Buy & Sell
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=434069
Let´s use it for that porpose
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Thanks everyone for the helpful info (didn't realise there was no simlock either!)
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You're welcome, and IMO (for what that's worth) totally genuine.
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You're welcome, and IMO (for what that's worth) totally genuine.
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Thanks for that, means a lot!
I didn't realise there was a buy and sell section. Thanks for that. If a mod would like to move me, feel free.
Anyway, relisted (again), updated link (again) and reduced (again)!
SOLD now, thanks.
Well I used it for three weeks and I have to say it was an OK phone but Sprint had it overpriced...I had to pay $450 for it. I was not eligible for the $100 rebate as my $30 SERO plan was too cheap!
I talked to Sprint retentions and they said NO CAN DO! I told them I was leaving...and they still said NO.
So then I thought to myself...is Sprint CRAZY! Why would they think I would pay $450 for a phone!!!
Plus the phone has many bugs that they need to hammer out.
Good luck everyone with your phones...I think I am jumping the ship and getting an iphone.
LOL, see ya
So Long!
This space for rent.
Thanks for an informative post.
hmmmm
$450 plus $30 a month
$199 plus $80 a month for 2 years
$1200 MORE for the service and its crappy service at that.
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idiot! do you also think a nickel is worth more then a dime because its bigger?
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Well I used it for three weeks and I have to say it was an OK phone but Sprint had it overpriced...I had to pay $450 for it. I was not eligible for the $100 rebate as my $30 SERO plan was too cheap!
I talked to Sprint retentions and they said NO CAN DO! I told them I was leaving...and they still said NO.
So then I thought to myself...is Sprint CRAZY! Why would they think I would pay $450 for a phone!!!
Plus the phone has many bugs that they need to hammer out.
Good luck everyone with your phones...I think I am jumping the ship and getting an iphone.
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Moderators?! Could you please delete this drivel? The guy contradicts himself in the first paragraph, TWICE.. Lordy!
arifiano said:
Well I used it for three weeks and I have to say it was an OK phone but Sprint had it overpriced...I had to pay $450 for it. I was not eligible for the $100 rebate as my $30 SERO plan was too cheap!
I talked to Sprint retentions and they said NO CAN DO! I told them I was leaving...and they still said NO.
So then I thought to myself...is Sprint CRAZY! Why would they think I would pay $450 for a phone!!!
Plus the phone has many bugs that they need to hammer out.
Good luck everyone with your phones...I think I am jumping the ship and getting an iphone.
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man, ive got to say this is probably the worst time to give up on TP2.
the unlocker for CDMA tp2s should be out these few days...and you're giving up now. ...
maybe if you weren't so mathematically/intellectually challenged you would have just got the 70 dollar credit first...then waited to pounce. Paid 129.99 no rebates on sero myself with that citibank deal. Even without the 199 price 280 plus 30 a month is killer.
Got the same deal as you and throw in the $ that sprint gave me for my old phone and it was $101 with all taxes... still on SERO and $101 for the phone... can't beat that...
come on dude, look at it in the long run. you'll be better off with tp2. screw sprint just buy the damn phone from someone on ebay in a few months.
what an idiot. let him go. simple minds deserve simple devices like an itrash.
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what an idiot. let him go. simple minds deserve simple devices like an itrash.
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Awesome line!
Im not gonna bash you cause i know you are doing this out of frustration... but i have SERO also $30 a month and i got it for $199 no rebates. Just keep trying and hold on a little longer. I found my TP last year for $200 on ebay... maybe you can find a good deal. Hang in there and look at the long run buddy
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Eeek... You shouldn't have said the 'i' word. The guys on here are kind of dicks when it comes to that. I personally don't care for them (iPhones), but my roommate has a new one and it's a pretty slick device. Part of the early adopter fee is bugs. Give the device at least a quarter before giving up on it. I'd recommend waiting if you can, unless there is some way you can get your money back. If you are unhappy with the device because of the price, then it's your fault for paying waaaayyy too much for it. If you are unhappy with the device because of the bugs, then give it a few weeks. HTC and the programmers do a good job at fixing these things. If you just plain don't like the device, then absolutely ditch it. There isn't a one size fits all for phones and I can fully understand why someone would hate this one. I don't really like it at all in its stock format either, but I didn't like my other HTC devices until they were unlocked. It does seem kind of silly to buy a device and have to wait for programmers to hack it before it's useful. Ahhh WRT...
Ignore all the iHate. People ***** about how close minded the iCrew is and then turn around with the same close minded name calling. If the shoe doesn't fit then don't walk around *****ing about it; throw it out. =)
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So then I thought to myself...is Sprint CRAZY!
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hehe . . . any takers on who would win the 'Crazy?' poll?
I got mine for free.
so I guess you'll enjoy paying hundreds more a month for less
theres a door closing dont let it hit you
WOW..... I think that was one of the stupidest posts I ever read. The Touch Pro 2 is one of the best phones out. And once we have the unlocker, the possiblities will be endless. Go get an Iphone and be stuck with exactly what Apple gives you. I will take the Touch Pro 2 anyday. And yes, I paid full price for the phone and wanted able to get the $100 dollar mail in rebate because it was only available for those who got the 2 year price.
Laughing hard...
Well I hope you enjoy the iWHATEVER...I used to work for at&t and got nothing but complaints about it. The 3G on at&t is so spotty its not worth switching. I hope you enjoy spending your time with an all eye candy phone and a crappy network.
As for the Touch Pro 2...I love it and nothings going to change that.
And I don't want to be told what I can install on my phone and what I can't. Say if I want the Google Voice App on my device then I'm going to add it. Don't want THE MAN to be able to say no.
dUDE THERE I=S A PROMO CODE IT IS BS220 CALL SPRINT AND TELL THEM YOU RECIEVED IT IN THE MAIL GIVING THE PHONE TO YOU FOR 319.99 NO MAIL IN REBATE.
I HAD TO ARGUE WITH THEM FOR LIKE 2 HOURS BUT GOT THE DEAL. ITS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT I GOT THEM TO APPLY THE PROMO CODE. ITS ONLY GOOD TILL THE 30TH THOUGH
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what an idiot. let him go. simple minds deserve simple devices like an itrash.
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I could not have said this any better. This guy was probably one of those people who wanted to degrade this awesome device and turn it into a replica of the iphone. I cant stand that phone not only because of the service but also because of all the limitations. Yea they have alot of apps, but try downloading it on their inferior network. Good luck with that. Plus windows mobile has been around alot longer and has so many apps as to be uncountable. The price justifies its greatness but I payed 250 with the rebate only because my contract wasnt up yet. Still less than he was paying. Oh well.
I've decided to completely abandon t-mobile and I plan to NOT pay my last bill and then fight them if it shows up on my credit report. Here is a quick summary:
1. When I got the phone, it was advertised as also running ATT 3G. That was a lie.
2. Phone also was advertised with FM radio. Not true.
3. t-mobile was never able to provide a working unlock code despite repeated attempts.
4. Phone had screen bleed issues. Went to store for replacement, but they were out of stock, so they told me to wait till after 14 days & call cust-serv for replacement. Needless to say this eventually came back to haunt me because now all they say is 'you only had 14 days to return it'!
5. Over the period of the next couple of months - I was shipped 4 empty boxes from t-mobile. Finally got one with a phone in it. Not only was it a refurb unit - it had the same problem as the original one I got.
6. I finally resorted to calling the corporate office and said I just wanted my money back for the phone and to cancel the contract. After 45 minutes of hassling the end result was that the only thing they would do is allow me to mail the phone to corporate headquarters and they would credit my account. Well guess what- I don't want anything to do with t-mobile so that is a no go. I told them if that's the way they plan to handle it then I will keep both phones & never pay the bill.
Lastly - I called LG directly to see if they would fix the phone. Making another long, sad story short - they will not. Their response is the 'screen is the type that will bleed like that - it's normal'.
I've never been so dissatisfied or disgusted with a business my whole life.
Not paying your bill is not a good idea. No technology is perfect. Plus everybody gets run arounds once in their life at any company. Sorry to hear about your experience, but not paying your bill will only create more hassle for you.
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unique77 said:
Not paying your bill is not a good idea. No technology is perfect. Plus everybody gets run arounds once in their life at any company. Sorry to hear about your experience, but not paying your bill will only create more hassle for you.
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While I understand your point I'm not paying for something I didn't get either. Being a senior systems analyst I realize more than most that technology isn't prefect - but that has nothing to do with replacing a defective product. I'm prepared to deal with the hassle it could possibly create on my credit report as I've already spoken to a couple of experts including a CPA about what to expect and how to handle any potential issues that arise. While it might create more hassle for me at least I'll know I didn't just roll over and let them stiff me 100's of dollars. Frankly I will sleep better at night. Furthermore if more people were assertive like this perhaps t-mobile (and LG for that matter) would not be so quick to screw over the next guy. Everyone & their dog knows these G2X's were a) falsely advertised and b) most were defective right out of the box. What they should do is admit fail and offer recalls on all the phones. But why do that when they can just give run-around to customers? This attitude they have "like what ya gonna do about it huh? can't do anything can ya? just buy another phone if you dont like it" crap has got to stop and I for one will not be bullied by these a-holes any longer.
First off buying a phone from t-mobile to use on att is stupid.
FM radio, really is it that big of a deal?
screen bleed....I have it. And never see it except on boot up
As for the 14 days, you knew better and could have went to another store or just returned it all together.
As for the empty boxes. Well that sucks.
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!
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While I understand your point I'm not paying for something I didn't get either. Being a senior systems analyst I realize more than most that technology isn't prefect - but that has nothing to do with replacing a defective product. I'm prepared to deal with the hassle it could possibly create on my credit report as I've already spoken to a couple of experts including a CPA about what to expect and how to handle any potential issues that arise. While it might create more hassle for me at least I'll know I didn't just roll over and let them stiff me 100's of dollars. Frankly I will sleep better at night. Furthermore if more people were assertive like this perhaps t-mobile (and LG for that matter) would not be so quick to screw over the next guy. Everyone & their dog knows these G2X's were a) falsely advertised and b) most were defective right out of the box. What they should do is admit fail and offer recalls on all the phones. But why do that when they can just give run-around to customers? This attitude they have "like what ya gonna do about it huh? can't do anything can ya? just buy another phone if you dont like it" crap has got to stop and I for one will not be bullied by these a-holes any longer.
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good points, but again, not paying your bill does not impact T-Mobile or LG. But it will impact you. With today's credit situation, intentionally damaging your credit is not a good tradeoff. Why not file a complaint with the BBB or your Statue Attorney General. At the least, the tradeoff for you is better. First, you keep your credit score. Second, the companies in question will be required to respond. It will be an irritant to them....but, right now, you cannot hope to regain your money, your contract freedom or any other satisfaction. Being an irritant might be the best you can get.
BTW...I never saw any advertisement about AT&T bands. Be careful on this one...have written proof, or understand completely what you claim.
Good luck with that ... I personally wouldn't want a $100 phone bill or whatever amount messing with my credit score. Sure you can fight it, but that sounds like a hassle. Maybe better to just pay your bill, cancel your line, cut your losses and move on. You're gonna waste a lot of energy on this (already have it sounds like) and it won't profit you a thing except more frustration.
Just my 2¢ from experience.
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First off buying a phone from t-mobile to use on att is stupid.
FM radio, really is it that big of a deal?
screen bleed....I have it. And never see it except on boot up
As for the 14 days, you knew better and could have went to another store or just returned it all together.
As for the empty boxes. Well that sucks.
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!
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You've missed the whole point.
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good points, but again, not paying your bill does not impact T-Mobile or LG. But it will impact you. With today's credit situation, intentionally damaging your credit is not a good tradeoff. Why not file a complaint with the BBB or your Statue Attorney General. At the least, the tradeoff for you is better. First, you keep your credit score. Second, the companies in question will be required to respond. It will be an irritant to them....but, right now, you cannot hope to regain your money, your contract freedom or any other satisfaction. Being an irritant might be the best you can get.
BTW...I never saw any advertisement about AT&T bands. Be careful on this one...have written proof, or understand completely what you claim.
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I've already filed 2 complaints with the BBB and sent a scathing letter to my State AG, and I have a copy of several t-mobile ads saying it was a quad-band att 3G capable phone.
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Good luck with that ... I personally wouldn't want a $100 phone bill or whatever amount messing with my credit score. Sure you can fight it, but that sounds like a hassle. Maybe better to just pay your bill, cancel your line, cut your losses and move on. You're gonna waste a lot of energy on this (already have it sounds like) and it won't profit you a thing except more frustration.
Just my 2¢ from experience.
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If it were to affect my credit score (and at this point I doubt they'll try that) it would be such a teeenee weenne thing on it I don't think it would hurt me hardly at all and I've already got a plan in place to have it removed should it it appear. The other option is to sue and of course that would cost more money and more time than this.
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You've missed the whole point.
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No I didn't. You sound like a typical cellphone customer that is never satisfied with anything. Sell your phone and pay t-mobile and avoid the credit report crap. These people are just not worth it. Don't get me wrong Verizon screwed me many times but finally I have up fighting, used my brain got free **** out of them and ultimately won and left them.
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!
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If it were to affect my credit score (and at this point I doubt they'll try that) it would be such a teeenee weenne thing on it I don't think it would hurt me hardly at all and I've already got a plan in place to have it removed should it it appear. The other option is to sue and of course that would cost more money and more time than this.
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Hey if its important to you go for it.
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No I didn't. You sound like a typical cellphone customer that is never satisfied with anything. Sell your phone and pay t-mobile and avoid the credit report crap. These people are just not worth it. Don't get me wrong Verizon screwed me many times but finally I have up fighting, used my brain got free **** out of them and ultimately won and left them.
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!
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Well I think you did. I've had cellphones for 20 years and haven't had a problem before that I couldn't get worked out by talking to someone in customer service or at a store. Selling the phone and paying the bills and early termination fee means I'd be LETTING them screw me out of about $800 ...because they sold me a defective unit and won't a) fix it b) replace it with a working one or c) just give me my money back. If this is a 'typical cellphone customer experience' then I think WE ALL have a problem. I'm not giving these bozo's one red cent and if it means something pops up on my credit record for 3 days until I get it removed (as I said I'm ready) then so be it.
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Hey if its important to you go for it.
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hahaha - well at this point I feel it's the principle of the whole thing. I've spent 18.5 hours on the phone with them dealing with this crap. My billing rate is $55hr I was thinking of sending them an invoice.
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First off buying a phone from t-mobile to use on att is stupid.
FM radio, really is it that big of a deal?
screen bleed....I have it. And never see it except on boot up
As for the 14 days, you knew better and could have went to another store or just returned it all together.
As for the empty boxes. Well that sucks.
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!
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so, if you bought a new car and found that it had no radio, you'd be ok with that?
big price difference, but it's still the same thing.
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so, if you bought a new car and found that it had no radio, you'd be ok with that?
big price difference, but it's still the same thing.
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dude...what he means is...not paying your bill over a radio...is stupid. You can't come out of this in a good way. You will lose.
Check you PM's. Before you jump ship, let me see if I may be able to assist you.
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While I understand your point I'm not paying for something I didn't get either. Being a senior systems analyst I realize more than most that technology isn't prefect - but that has nothing to do with replacing a defective product. I'm prepared to deal with the hassle it could possibly create on my credit report as I've already spoken to a couple of experts including a CPA about what to expect and how to handle any potential issues that arise. While it might create more hassle for me at least I'll know I didn't just roll over and let them stiff me 100's of dollars. Frankly I will sleep better at night. Furthermore if more people were assertive like this perhaps t-mobile (and LG for that matter) would not be so quick to screw over the next guy. Everyone & their dog knows these G2X's were a) falsely advertised and b) most were defective right out of the box. What they should do is admit fail and offer recalls on all the phones. But why do that when they can just give run-around to customers? This attitude they have "like what ya gonna do about it huh? can't do anything can ya? just buy another phone if you dont like it" crap has got to stop and I for one will not be bullied by these a-holes any longer.
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I love it! I have to agree with you, these big corporations bullying, stealing, lying and taking advantage of hard working people has to stop...sadly very few people will or can fight back so they will keep doing it and getting away with it...but im glad you decided to stand your ground and fight for whats right! Good luck bud!
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OP, I completely agree with what you've set out to do. Companies like T-mobile and LG need to correctly market and manufacture their products, and respond better to defects and mishaps after they occur. I had to exchange my first G2X (which had HEAVY screen bleed and non-working wifi), but somehow lucked out on a good unit the second time around. The hoops I had to jump through to accomplish that exchange led me to lose a lot of respect for both companies, and even more so after reading some of the truly horrid experiences on this forum.
If T-mobile and LG had worked out a coherent exchange program, made accurate announcements of software updates (GB anyone...), and overall handled customer service better, I could've written off the G2X's problems as a normal consequence of being on the cutting edge technologically. Instead, I'm stuck pondering the inability of either company to own up to their mistakes and deal with them.
All in all, best of luck to you; I hope everything works out in your (and our) favor in the end.
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so, if you bought a new car and found that it had no radio, you'd be ok with that?
big price difference, but it's still the same thing.
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I would have returned it within the proper legal time frame and been done with it
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!
Appeasement is what spawned the reign of Hitler. I personally like this guy's spine in the matter. We need more people like him. He seems to understand his financial limitations and if he thinks he has the money & effort to spend then why not let him..?
We should all be doing the same as this guy if it wasn't for the economic restraints... that and this country has somewhat more pressing issues like corruption to iron out before we can get to consumer protection unfortunately.
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Evening all, apologies for the probably noobish question but i've done a fair amount of searching and have to give in and just ask.
My younger brother got a xoom (32gb wi-fi and 3g) on contract in the uk with three, he then neglected to pay the bill entirely.
My question to you good folks is as follows...
Can three network bar it as they could with a mobile handset who's bill remained unpaid?
If i offer to pay off his contract as the helpful, older, wiser, better looking brother and then, confiscate his tablet and sell it to recoup my huge outlay - can anyone tell me if im going to get an angry winning ebay bidder messaging me to say that it doesn't work with their sim card as its been barred/blocked etc etc??
is there anyway i can check on the actual device?, at the minute it just comes up with "no sim" although the wi-fi works fine as you'd expect.
I just want rid of it, and to have my bank balance drained as little as possible before i send photos of my brother to every retailer asking them to politely remove him from their store.
Thanks for any help that you guys can provide.
kinny
Not to be a bummer but if you did pay off his contract you probably still have a huge dent in your wallet even after selling it. Probably best bet is to just keep with the contract and keep the XOOM since it is a decent device. I know that you want to sell it but I doubt you could sell it for all that much. And if you did pay off the contract your tablet should be unlocked so I doubt people would complain if they are blocked.
Just pop-in a different SIM to check if you still get a no-SIM error.
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Chaosgod27 said:
Not to be a bummer but if you did pay off his contract you probably still have a huge dent in your wallet even after selling it. Probably best bet is to just keep with the contract and keep the XOOM since it is a decent device. I know that you want to sell it but I doubt you could sell it for all that much. And if you did pay off the contract your tablet should be unlocked so I doubt people would complain if they are blocked.
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Nah i do agree in principle but I've already got 2 laptops assorted work and home phones and an ipad so the last thing i need is another bit of kit that'll turn into a paper weight, any money back from selling is better than none as i'm resigned to paying off his bill regardless under the understanding that the device becomes mine in exchange for his credit history not becoming ruined at the age of 18.
If i paid it off it'd be over a few months rather than in a lump sum just not the remaining 17 months thats left as i want it gone and off my mind asap!
they seem to be going for £200 plus on ebay which is £200 more than if i put it in the drawer and forgot about it.
Cheers for the reply though matey, much appreciated.
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Just pop-in a different SIM to check if you still get a no-SIM error.
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The simplest solutions are usually best and in this reply i think you've just epitomised that! Will try this asap.
I still wonder if they can actually be blocked/barred though?
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Nah i do agree in principle but I've already got 2 laptops assorted work and home phones and an ipad so the last thing i need is another bit of kit that'll turn into a paper weight, any money back from selling is better than none as i'm resigned to paying off his bill regardless under the understanding that the device becomes mine in exchange for his credit history not becoming ruined at the age of 18.
If i paid it off it'd be over a few months rather than in a lump sum just not the remaining 17 months thats left as i want it gone and off my mind asap!
they seem to be going for £200 plus on ebay which is £200 more than if i put it in the drawer and forgot about it.
Cheers for the reply though matey, much appreciated.
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Hmm I see, if you want to get rid and don't mind losing a bit of money, I suppose paying it off as soon as possible and selling it will be wise. And no it won't be barred or blocked if everything works out fine. Don't know about changing ownership, lol first I heard of that but you probably have to discuss it with three. Just curious, why did your brother grab that device knowing he can't pay for it? It would've been better if he just brought it outright if you asked me.
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Hmm I see, if you want to get rid and don't mind losing a bit of money, I suppose paying it off as soon as possible and selling it will be wise. And no it won't be barred or blocked if everything works out fine. Don't know about changing ownership, lol first I heard of that but you probably have to discuss it with three. Just curious, why did your brother grab that device knowing he can't pay for it? It would've been better if he just brought it outright if you asked me.
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Not entirely sure of that myself matey? might try and beat the answer out of him at a later date though
How I got to keep my HOXL and got AT&T to send me a Galaxy SIII I747 free of charge
When my upgrade eligibility with AT&T came up last spring I decided that I needed to familiarize myself with the Android operating system. Having been a long time iPhone user (iPhone, iPhone 3G and iPhone 4) with a mostly positive experience, I had always been frustrated by Apple's lack of Flash support and (at the time) their refusal to adjust their screen size. Little did I know that both Adobe and Apple were just "sitting in the corner" laughing at me when I came to this rationalization. Naturally, I overcompensated and went with the Galaxy Note, which, IMHO was probably not the best fit for an Android noob like myself. I did a little more research, and just on the outskirts of my 30 day return window, the HTC ONE XL was gonna debut. Bought it on launch day May 6th (before the embargo ruined the party). Like everyone else I had concerns over the lack of storage expansion from 16 Gigs - my previous iPhone 4 was 32 Gigs - but felt confident enough to pull the trigger since the 25 Gigs of free Dropbox space was on the table and according to AT&T was in play. Having been Grandfathered into AT&T's unlimited data plan and being a moderate user (I average 6-8 Gigs a month and have only been throttled twice) I felt as though I could transition to Cloud storage with ease.
I wanted to wait as long as possible before establishing my Dropbox account so I could get the maximum out of the 2 years. It wasn't until late September that I learned of AT&T purposely opting out of participating in the deal. I still can't fathom the rational for this, since its always been my understanding that not only AT&T, but all the Carriers had absolutely nothing to do with this promotion because the deal was between HTC and Dropbox. You would think the Carriers would welcome this since it would increase data usage, thus gaining them additional revenue. I'm sure that people, much smarter than myself, who contribute to the XDA forums, have the answer to this burning question since i'm clearly clueless.
Anyway, no worries, I'll just simply "Root", "Rom" and Voilà....Uh-Oh... As usual I'm a day late and a dollar short and I miss my window with the initial Root exploit that HTC closed ---- ( BTW this is in NO WAY meant as a backdoor insult or complaint to the Developers and their tirelessly Godlike work that they perpetually churn out on a daily basis, nor is it to the rest of the "awesomesauce" that describes the entire XDA Community!!!!) Now, I know in the back of my mind, there is an obvious workaround -- which I'm sure has been explained in this forum before - attach service to your previous phone for a day or so --- snag a WiFi connection and establish your Dropbox account and Boom instant 25 Gigs --then simply reattach service to your HOXL --- but ya know what....now I'm Pissed....time to call AT&T....
I started by calling sales not customer service too vent my complaint
1st Barrier ---- I get the initial non-decision making Dingbat ... As quickly as possible, I dispensed of this person and got a supervisor - I explained my issue and advised that AT&T did a "bait and switch" on me and strongly emphasized how ILLEGAL this practice is .....
2nd Barrier --- supervisor said he had no idea what I was talking about and that he had never heard of this "Dropbox freebie thing" (keep in mind I'm speaking with the sales department) --- this was easily refuted as I told the gentleman to try opening the box -- you know --the one with the AT&T logo on it that the HOXL comes in -- and to look at the paperwork inside --- it advertises the promotion!!!! Clearly his plausible deniability is out the window....
3rd Barrier --- "Can't help you because it's not our promotion..." No kidding -- that's the point..... I went on to explain how I was well aware that it wasn't their promotion and how it makes it worse because they purposely had to "opt out" --- emailed him the link to the Dropbox page explaining the promotion and How AT&T and VERIZON opted out (keep in mind the promotion is for any new HTC device running Sense 4.0 not just the HOXL) He continually stated that it wasn't their promotion for which I replied that I knew that and that it didn't matter whose promotion it was. I advised him, that I signed a contract with AT&T based on that information and that the Dropbox offer was used by AT&T as a selling tool to that end and that's why this is a bait and switch situation and that the practice is ILLEGAL
4th Barrier --- "How do we know that you were told about this offer and that our employees used this strategy...." I emailed him a link from androidcentral (Being that this is my very first post on the XDA forums protocol prevents me from posting the link that I sent ... but I can tell you that androidcentral was the original source for the "article" titled "AT&T HTC One X will have free Dropbox space, company spokeswoman affirms" and was dated Apr 24 2012) --- granted this is simply an unofficial "blog site" that can basically say anything they want but I advised him that this story was picked up by all the other major 'tech sites" and it has never been refuted by AT&T. In addition the "AT&T Spokeswomen" is Jackie Vettorino. Her official title is - Digital PR/Social Media Strategist for AT&T - She is basically their Top Dog when it comes to dealing with the press - She is widely known to many media outlets because of her role as the Point-man..er..Point-woman on "Throttlegate" last fall. I explained to him that because of her fairly high profile, it would be extremely remote that the story was fabricated or that she had somehow been grossly misquoted because of the likeliness of serious repercussions... but I did offer to three-way her office --- He declined. I also, again referred him to the materials that came in the box with my phone -- yes the Box -- the one produced and manufactured for AT&T with their logo splashed all over it.
5th Barrier --- "Did you purchase your phone and contract from a Corporate store or online through the official AT&T website ...." I told him that i didn't and that I used an "Authorized Retailer" (My friend works there and I wanted her to get the commission. To be honest, at the time I didn't know it wasn't a corporate store -- they only sell AT&T product and the only name mentioned inside or outside the building was the official AT&T logo all decked out in that crappy blue and orange - no offense to all you Miami Dolphin fans. It had been years since I had been in an AT&T store - all my recent dealings had been at an Apple store) He began to tell me that I would have to "take up this issue" with the store and that it was "out of his hands". I promptly asked him who my contract was with - He stated AT&T. I immediately repeated the question - he again correctly answered AT&T - I asked the question 3 additional times in succession and he scored a perfect 5 for 5. Finally, I asked him if he knew what the word "authorized" meant, as in "Authorized Retailer" and during my reading of this definition (straight from .merriam-webster.com) he interrupted me by resignedly asking me "what I wanted...."
Aah!!! ... Success. I went into this endeavor with the hopeful expectation that AT&T would credit my account the price of what I would have to pay for cloud storage for 2 years - It's soft money and almost always AT&T's go to when they screw up. Well after almost 90 minutes on the call, I quickly rethought my position and like any successful Rep will tell you "Ultimately, you always have to ask for it". I told the supervisor that there were 2 options:
1) AT&T could release me from my contract without penalty and refund my full purchase price for the phone...not something AT&T wants (nor did I ... again I stay because of my unlimited data plan) or....
2) Replace my HOXL with an equivalent phone that has expanded storage options at zero cost to me - of course we both knew that the only possible replacement was the Galaxy SIII
Without hesitating he asked me what color I wanted and to what address I wanted it shipped -- The phone arrived at my doorstep, Oct 2, precisely 27.5 hours from the time I ended the call. After 2 weeks and another lengthy call - this time to Customer Service - I was able to successfully argue that my contract start date should be reinstated to the original May 6th date and not the Oct 2nd citing that the SIII was not an upgrade but a replacement phone.
I created this Post not to boast or pat myself on the back, but rather as a template for other HOXL owners who may be feeling slighted by AT&T's consistently awful business practices. Hey, It doesn't have to be an SIII --- it may be a great way to offset HTC's poor decision of putting out a part deux a mere 6 months into release of their "flagship" X series. Why is it always the early adopters and loyal supporters who seem to get hosed ... but I gotta say the HOXL+ is looking mighty Dope. Although, I do question the decision of not going with a RAM increase, (can anyone confirm this?) While its not a huge hindrance, I do get a "load screen" every now and then. It just seems as though 1 Gig is really riding the line, at least with ICS 4.0.4.
That's awesome bro lol. I wish I could pull some shiz like that.
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haha thats great, I'm glad you made out good
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t may be a great way to offset HTC's poor decision of putting out a part deux a mere 6 months into release of their "flagship" X series.
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Yeah, exactly. Let's start demanding free phones because HTC is keeping up with technology.
If this forum had a "First world problems" section, this thread would've been a sticky.
Some people need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
Great first post. Sometimes I want to tell AT&T these things. I just seem to always get a very helpful customer service rep who always make me feel warm and cared for inside. =)
After this month I'm getting pretty pissed about being throttled to 500kbps after 5GB.
whys everyone mad.... of course they gave him an s3....it's a downgrade and very likely a refurb.
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Yeah, exactly. Let's start demanding free phones because HTC is keeping up with technology.
If this forum had a "First world problems" section, this thread would've been a sticky.
Some people need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
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ATT= Cash Cow
Defrauding the public = illegal
Free phone to satisfy a customer who was LIED to and keep taking their money = MORE PROFIT
No sympathy for them. First or third world. Corporations and governments take advantage of all of us in order to make another buck.
Fight the man and stand up for yourself no matter where you live. Isn't that why XDA came into existence in the first place?
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I would of asked to not be throttled anymore =)
Great first post! Great story! I really felt like when u are watching a tv series that ur addicted to and cant stop watching! Really entertaining!! And congrats on demanding ur rights, thats the way to go!
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ATT= Cash Cow
Defrauding the public = illegal
Free phone to satisfy a customer who was LIED to and keep taking their money = MORE PROFIT
No sympathy for them. First or third world. Corporations and governments take advantage of all of us in order to make another buck.
Fight the man and stand up for yourself no matter where you live. Isn't that why XDA came into existence in the first place?
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You know what else for-profit companies do? They pass their expenses down to their customers. They aren't going to eat the expense of giving out free phones like this. You're not "fighting the man". Its nice to think idealistically like that, but it really doesn't work that way. The cost gets handed down to us in the form of higher device costs, higher service costs, etc.
Their was likely no "defrauding of the public". Bonus offers like the one for Dropbox almost always come with a disclaimer that the terms of the offer can be changed at anytime, and without notice (including rescinding the offer itself). And AT&T opted out of the offer a long time before September. Just because a piece of paper has been sitting in the box since May, doesn't mean the offer is still valid.
If AT&T wanted to keep a customer happy, I can see letting him switch to another phone, if the One X is so "unacceptable" due to low storage. But it would have made the most business sense to demand the One X be returned. Otherwise its just motivation for people to game the system and get free phones.
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Fight the man and stand up for yourself no matter where you live. Isn't that why XDA came into existence in the first place?
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No. XDA developers came into existence because we believe that if we bought a device, it's ours to reverse engineer or do whatever we want with it.
What you are doing is trying to game the system to get free stuff. It's SHAMEFUL.
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You know what else for-profit companies do? They pass their expenses down to their customers. They aren't going to eat the expense of giving out free phones like this. You're not "fighting the man". Its nice to think idealistically like that, but it really doesn't work that way. The cost gets handed down to us in the form of higher device costs, higher service costs, etc.
Their was likely no "defrauding of the public". Bonus offers like the one for Dropbox almost always come with a disclaimer that the terms of the offer can be changed at anytime, and without notice (including rescinding the offer itself). And AT&T opted out of the offer a long time before September. Just because a piece of paper has been sitting in the box since May, doesn't mean the offer is still valid.
If AT&T wanted to keep a customer happy, I can see letting him switch to another phone, if the One X is so "unacceptable" due to low storage. But it would have made the most business sense to demand the One X be returned. Otherwise its just motivation for people to game the system and get free phones.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
IMHO and no disrespect to the OP, after spending so much time talking to their customer service, I would have been very upset if ATT tries to compensate me with an S3, I would have preferred an HTC One X+, too bad is not available yet.
OP, I need to give you props for your effort. In your particular case, I think you did the absolute right thing in complaining to AT&T about the whole issue. You getting the S3 for free is just a bonus in my eyes. IMO, this isn't defrauding a company; it's a situation where the customer was promised something and wasn't delivered by the company and the company made things right.
Congrats on the phone. Although i prefer the one x, gs3 is easier to work with for roms.
I'm surprised AT&T finally gave in. I guess they realized you were persistent and it wasn't worth it.
P.S. 6-8GB isn't moderate use by any means. You're lucky to be on unlimited data.
Great job dotsquad. Maybe others will get the same results.
As for the two that think this is shameful and wrong, ATT doesn't care about you. They only want your money regardless if their products or service work as advertised. And losing dotsquad as a customer costs them more than giving him a new phone and keeping him. Higher costs would be passed on if he went to another carrier.
Give customer a new phone, less than $250
Lose the customer, lose $1000+ per year. They don't really give you anything other than the next monthly bill.
And remember Randall Stevenson CEO of ATT lost the company 4+billion dollars with the failed T Mo merger, and then received a 22million bonus. 4 billion in costs passed on to customers.
If you really want to complain about something, that might be a better start.
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Great job dotsquad. Maybe others will get the same results.
As for the two that think this is shameful and wrong, ATT doesn't care about you. They only want your money regardless if their products or service work as advertised. And losing dotsquad as a customer costs them more than giving him a new phone and keeping him. Higher costs would be passed on if he went to another carrier.
Give customer a new phone, less than $250
Lose the customer, lose $1000+ per year. They don't really give you anything other than the next monthly bill.
And remember Randall Stevenson CEO of ATT lost the company 4+billion dollars with the failed T Mo merger, and then received a 22million bonus. 4 billion in costs passed on to customers.
If you really want to complain about something, that might be a better start.
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Well played sir. I agree 100%
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Awesome!
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You know I may try something similar to this. Although not talking about DropBox I genuinely thought that the HTC One X had 32GB of space (and it does). I didn't know the At&t version, or as I know now the HTC One Xl only had 16GB. And the thing is I remember asking the sales associate at Wal-Mart (which is also authorized reseller as you may know) "How much space does it have" and she said "32GBs". I was like yesss, because I have a bunch of music, take a lot of video and photos and of course fill up on apps. Now I have to constantly clear things up. And I didn't notice it only had 16GBs until my return period was up (I was too amazed at android and didn't really download many apps until later on, I switched from iOS ).
So what do you think my odds are at getting a device with 32GB?
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And yes I tried to make it work but I just can't. I haven't complained about the space issue but here recently it's beging to be a real problem.
All I need to say is 'good work'
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McMichael96 said:
You know I may try something similar to this. Although not talking about DropBox I genuinely thought that the HTC One X had 32GB of space (and it does). I didn't know the At&t version, or as I know now the HTC One Xl only had 16GB. And the thing is I remember asking the sales associate at Wal-Mart (which is also authorized reseller as you may know) "How much space does it have" and she said "32GBs".
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Improper research before buying a device. And I wouldn't trust a Walmart employee to give me any correct information on phones, or an AT&T rep, for that matter. That part was clearly the Walmart employee's bad. But in the future, just do your own research. How hard would it have been to just read the box, before purchasing?
This is the exact reason that this thread is a poor precedence. Now people are trying to get free phones, for their own mistakes.