Hi XDA Community. I use Trinity Kernel by Morfic and i was wondering if it is okay to have an Overclocked Nexus 5 and use the phone at a regular basis like a normal stock clock Nexus. I don't want My phone to just randomly explode because of overclocking it. One of the features the kernel has as said at his/her XDA thread is "Up to 2726MHz (higher clocks will vary from device to device)". Is that frequency trustworthy when just using the phone normally or is that a benchmark frequency?
MaLing15 said:
Hi XDA Community. I use Trinity Kernel by Morfic and i was wondering if it is okay to have an Overclocked Nexus 5 and use the phone at a regular basis like a normal stock clock Nexus. I don't want My phone to just randomly explode because of overclocking it. One of the features the kernel has as said at his/her XDA thread is "Up to 2726MHz (higher clocks will vary from device to device)". Is that frequency trustworthy when just using the phone normally or is that a benchmark frequency?
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Don't overclock that high. 2419MHz at most. Overclocking too high will cause more heat and throttle earlier, only useful for a short benchmark such as HWBot Prime or Quadrant (Antutu takes longer and will overheat by the time it finishes). Trinity also supports up to 3014MHz, OP hasn't been updated.
MaLing15 said:
Hi XDA Community. I use Trinity Kernel by Morfic and i was wondering if it is okay to have an Overclocked Nexus 5 and use the phone at a regular basis like a normal stock clock Nexus. I don't want My phone to just randomly explode because of overclocking it. One of the features the kernel has as said at his/her XDA thread is "Up to 2726MHz (higher clocks will vary from device to device)". Is that frequency trustworthy when just using the phone normally or is that a benchmark frequency?
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You don't want to push the phone too much I think the Nexus 5 runs at 2.3 GHz. 2.7 MAY not be too bad but honestly, the phone runs pretty smooth as is. What benefits are you looking for from overclocking?
Thanks guys for sharing your knowledge. You know.. To get the MOST out of the Phone while at the same time being Safe.
if you really wanted, the phone won't explode if you run it at 3015mhz either. the worst that will happen is that your phone won't be able to run that high, and will freeze and reboot.
and don't listen to all.. run your phone how YOU like. yes, it'll cause a little(not much) more heat, and will throttle a little earlier, but that's why people like me disable throttle, so that's a non issue. I run my phone at high CPU speeds all the time, and use 2880mhz high/300mhz low quite often. just because I feel like it, no other reason.
oh, I run trinity as well, and do all of Trinity's testing
MaLing15 said:
Thanks guys for sharing your knowledge. You know.. To get the MOST out of the Phone while at the same time being Safe.
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It's just what @jsgraphicart said. You're not really getting more out of your phone by overclocking. It's not going to run smoother, and most games don't lag anyway so they probably won't run better. I think most people just do it for benchmarks or just to check if it can run on a certain clockspeed.
Also what @simms22 said. You can do it if you want to, but simply because you want to because as far as I know there aren't really any benefits.
Back in my Palm Pre days, we used to overclock that thing to 1GHz. The default setting was 500MHz. I think it was even pushed to 1.2GHz. And it ran fine. But back then, you could tell the difference between a little lag at 500MHz and smoothness at 1GHz. With this phone and how Android has gotten smoother with every update, it's kind of hard to see any difference when overclocking. It will be smooth regardless.
oh, benefits, not really. a little more speed, yes. bit I would never call it a benefit, unless the speed difference was drastic, and its not.
As mentioned, overclocking the CPU can actually turn out to run slower because of aggressive thermal throttling. You could disable or extend the thermal throttling, but 2.3Ghz is already plenty fast for today's mobile software so you won't notice any difference in day to day usage.
bblzd said:
As mentioned, overclocking the CPU can actually turn out to run slower because of aggressive thermal throttling. You could disable or extend the thermal throttling, but 2.3Ghz is already plenty fast for today's mobile software so you won't notice any difference in day to day usage.
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Even if you run your phone at 2880MHz/3014MHz/whatever with thermal throttle off, you can't really do anything too intensive as it'll hit 105C and shutoff lol
Lethargy said:
Even if you run your phone at 2880MHz/3014MHz/whatever with thermal throttle off, you can't really do anything too intensive as it'll hit 105C and shutoff lol
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actually, no, youre wrong. when you run your phone at 2880/300 or 3014/300, you phone will hardly scale up that high, sometimes it will. you wont see any real difference between those high cpu speeds and running it at 2265/300. and battery will be similar. the difference will be if you run it at 2880/2880 or 3014/3014. now i run my phone at 2880/300 very often, and you know i disable thermal throttle. yet, i see no difference in temperatures, except if im doing something thats very cpu intensive.
simms22 said:
actually, no, youre wrong. when you run your phone at 2880/300 or 3014/300, you phone will hardly scale up that high, sometimes it will. you wont see any real difference between those high cpu speeds and running it at 2265/300. and battery will be similar. the difference will be if you run it at 2880/2880 or 3014/3014. now i run my phone at 2880/300 very often, and you know i disable thermal throttle. yet, i see no difference in temperatures, except if im doing something thats very cpu intensive.
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Ah true. But still, a bit easier to hit it if doing something intensive Not to mention it may be a little unstable on some devices
Lethargy said:
Ah true. But still, a bit easier to hit it if doing something intensive Not to mention it may be a little unstable on some devices
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on some devices??? on most devices! anyways, stability is overrated
LOL...no explosions on XDA allowed!
Well, I guess it's pretty normal if a phone gets hot while playing hardcore games.
But is it supposed to get this hot while playing games? Sometimes, just by playing Plants Vs. Zombies 2, the phone gets really hot (hotter on the camera part of the phone) that makes it unplayable due to the hotness that makes the camera part untouchable (or I'll get hurt)
I'm asking if this is normal, and if it happens to you guys.
I'm new here btw, so go easy on me
Love ya
warlynx said:
Well, I guess it's pretty normal if a phone gets hot while playing hardcore games.
But it is supposed to get this hot while playing games? Sometimes, just by playing Plants Vs. Zombies 2, the phone gets really hot (hotter on the camera part of the phone) that makes it unplayable due to the hotness that makes the camera part untouchable (or I'll get hurt)
I'm asking if this is normal, and if it happens to you guys.
I'm new here btw, so go easy on me
Love ya
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Not to be rude but does it really get that hot that you feel like you'll get hurt? I've played games before and the phone has gotten warm like all other phones I've ever owned but hot enough to "hurt me" I haven't noticed.
What I can say is that it's possible that the software (either CM11s ROM or the game you're playing) isn't fully optimized to run on the OPO so it may have the processor working extra hard when it shouldn't have to.
Remember we're basically beta testing this lovely gem so a lot of bugs and such are to be expected since the phone isn't officially open to the public.
OuncE718 said:
Not to be rude but does it really get that hot that you feel like you'll get hurt? I've played games before and the phone has gotten warm like all other phones I've ever owned but hot enough to "hurt me" I haven't noticed.
What I can say is that it's possible that the software (either CM11s ROM or the game you're playing) isn't fully optimized to run on the OPO so it may have the processor working extra hard when it shouldn't have to.
Remember we're basically beta testing this lovely gem so a lot of bugs and such are to be expected since the phone isn't officially open to the public.
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Well, first of all, it does not happen with just Plants Vs Zombies 2, I gave that game as an example because I usually play more-demanding games (not saying that pvz2 is not a demanding game, actually, i have no idea)
And answering your question, yes, it does get hot enough to hurt me, since the camera part is where it really gets hot, and there is a metal/plastic (yes i can't distinguish, i suck) piece on the camera that when it gets hot, is really untouchable, reaching the point where it hurts by touching it.
Oh, thanks for your reply
I don't have it but then again I can't really talk since I'm not on stock ROM/Kernel. I'm using a custom rom/kernel which uses different algorithms to thermal throttling which keeps the phone nice and cold or not as warm.
Depends on where you are too, if you're playing it outside and its really warm (it is Summer) then yeah.
zephiK said:
I don't have it but then again I can't really talk since I'm not on stock ROM/Kernel. I'm using a custom rom/kernel which uses different algorithms to thermal throttling which keeps the phone nice and cold or not as warm.
Depends on where you are too, if you're playing it outside and its really warm (it is Summer) then yeah.
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Uhm, yes, it's truth that i'm using stock ROM, but i can assure that the current weather on my place has nothing to do with it getting really hot or not.
warlynx said:
Well, first of all, it does not happen with just Plants Vs Zombies 2, I gave that game as an example because I usually play more-demanding games (not saying that pvz2 is not a demanding game, actually, i have no idea)
And answering your question, yes, it does get hot enough to hurt me, since the camera part is where it really gets hot, and there is a metal/plastic (yes i can't distinguish, i suck) piece on the camera that when it gets hot, is really untouchable, reaching the point where it hurts by touching it.
Oh, thanks for your reply
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Yeah, my OPO gets this hot as well when I'm playing XCOM--the only "demanding" game I have on it at the moment. When I play other games, or during other normal usage it stays relatively cool. It gets a bit warm when charging, but that's expected from this charger.
I only just got it yesterday morning, so have only had limited testing time, but I'm getting the same thing with the front and back of the phone getting very hot, and the metal piece on the camera getting painfully hot (I have to watch how I hold it so I don't accidently touch it). I wasplaying XCOM for about an hour (the length of my train ride home) and it was hot pretty much from the start. After that hour the game finally crashed... I started it back up and within 5 min it crashed again. Guess that means it's getting throttled?
I'll be testing it again on my ride home later.
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warlynx said:
Uhm, yes, it's truth that i'm using stock ROM, but i can assure that the current weather on my place has nothing to do with it getting really hot or not.
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I'm using stock rom too.
Yep, it does get very hot while playing, mainly around the camera area, doesnt really bother me, I guess that with a case you wouldnt even feel it.
What do you expect? This device, like any computing device, when put under CPU load is going to generate heat, it's computing 101 guys. This is why PC's have cooling fans.
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What do you expect? This device, like any computing device, when put under CPU load is going to generate heat, it's computing 101 guys. This is why PC's have cooling fans.
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Yeah, but when we decide to buy a high-end phone, with a really good GPU and CPU, we expect some kind of use to it. Since, in my opinion, having a good GPU, means that we can play high demanding games, and watch some cool high quality movies. I personally want this phone mainly to play those kind of games, that was actually the purpose of buying this phone: knowing that i can play any kind of game i throw at it.
So yeah, I agree that like any computing device, it's normal to get hot. But is it supposed to get so hot, even hurting the holder just because he's playing Plants Vs Zombies 2 for 10 minutes? This issue kinda beats the purpose of having a great GPU. It has a great GPU yeah, but what's the purpose of having it if it overheats the phone?
warlynx said:
Yeah, but when we decide to buy a high-end phone, with a really good GPU and CPU, we expect some kind of use to it. Since, in my opinion, having a good GPU, means that we can play high demanding games, and watch some cool high quality movies. I personally want this phone mainly to play those kind of games, that was actually the purpose of buying this phone: knowing that i can play any kind of game i throw at it.
So yeah, I agree that like any computing device, it's normal to get hot. But is it supposed to get so hot, even hurting the holder just because he's playing Plants Vs Zombies 2 for 10 minutes? This issue kinda beats the purpose of having a great GPU. It has a great GPU yeah, but what's the purpose of having it if it overheats the phone?
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You bring up a lot of good points. Its just the way the phone's thermal driver operates. Alternatively, you can switch to a kernel that operates their thermal driver differently.
What is a thermal driver?
The generic thermal sysfs provides a set of interfaces for thermal zone devices (sensors) and thermal cooling devices (fan, processor...) to register with the thermal management solution and to be a part of it.
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/thermal/sysfs-api.txt
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Basically its responsible for keeping your device nice and cool. Third party kernels such as: Franco, AK kernel, furnace and various custom ROM kernels have a modified thermal driver which can help with your phone overheating. For instance, using Franco Kernel he has his own thermal driver and also removes Qualcomm's mpdecision with his own hotplugging algorithm (powering cores 3/4 on or off depending on the load). You can also downclock your phone using these kernels (as well on stock) to lower the performance of your phone so that it does not heat up but also meet a balance of your phone not lagging with the lower clock.
Other thermal drivers include: Faux's Intellithermal and so forth.
warlynx said:
Yeah, but when we decide to buy a high-end phone, with a really good GPU and CPU, we expect some kind of use to it. Since, in my opinion, having a good GPU, means that we can play high demanding games, and watch some cool high quality movies. I personally want this phone mainly to play those kind of games, that was actually the purpose of buying this phone: knowing that i can play any kind of game i throw at it.
So yeah, I agree that like any computing device, it's normal to get hot. But is it supposed to get so hot, even hurting the holder just because he's playing Plants Vs Zombies 2 for 10 minutes? This issue kinda beats the purpose of having a great GPU. It has a great GPU yeah, but what's the purpose of having it if it overheats the phone?
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Fair enough, but your high end CPU and GPU are performing as they should be, and because there is no physical cooling system on your phone it's going to get hot. Just because it's a high end device it doesn't mean it shouldn't get hot. The fact that it has such high spec components actually suggests that it'd heat up more than your average phone. By your logic, a high end gaming PC shouldn't heat up, but we know that isn't the case.
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Fair enough, but your high end CPU and GPU are performing as they should be, and because there is no physical cooling system on your phone it's going to get hot. Just because it's a high end device it doesn't mean it shouldn't get hot. The fact that it has such high spec components actually suggests that it'd heat up more than your average phone. By your logic, a high end gaming PC shouldn't heat up, but we know that isn't the case.
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Adding to your point... a high end gaming laptop ... yeah a highend gaming PC heats up but its not as obvious, at least not for some people unless they're on air cooling and can hear the fans. A highend gaming laptop or any multimedia laptop playing games would heat up whatever surface its laying on as well as blowing out hot air.
My point still stands as stated before if OP doesn't want his phone to get "super" hot during games, flash a custom kernel, buy FKU and set up a per-app-mode, I can play PvZ 2 and can downclock it down to 1.5-1.7 (or even lower) without any lag. Just play around with it to get to that sweet spot where you find a balance between performance and battery as well as having your phone not heat up as much as stock.
zephiK said:
Adding to your point... a high end gaming laptop ... yeah a highend gaming PC heats up but its not as obvious, at least not for some people unless they're on air cooling and can hear the fans. A highend gaming laptop or any multimedia laptop playing games would heat up whatever surface its laying on as well as blowing out hot air.
My point still stands as stated before if OP doesn't want his phone to get "super" hot during games, flash a custom kernel, buy FKU and set up a per-app-mode, I can play PvZ 2 and can downclock it down to 1.5-1.7 (or even lower) without any lag. Just play around with it to get to that sweet spot where you find a balance between performance and battery as well as having your phone not heat up as much as stock.
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Thanks for your reply and for presenting me some solutions, but I forgot to mention that I flashed Paranoid Android already, and from my knowledge, I think I read that it has Franco's Kernel already, so there's no need to flash it, i suppose (correct me if wrong)?
And even flashing that custom ROM, the problem still persists. So, I guess the only solution is to downclock the phone while playing those games.
warlynx said:
Thanks for your reply and for presenting me some solutions, but I forgot to mention that I flashed Paranoid Android already, and from my knowledge, I think I read that it has Franco's Kernel already, so there's no need to flash it, i suppose (correct me if wrong)?
And even flashing that custom ROM, the problem still persists. So, I guess the only solution is to downclock the phone while playing those games.
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I'm not too familiar with that, I know Franco is on PA's team but their kernel probably isn't 100% Franco Kernel. I could be wrong on this, I am not fully familiar with the situation but you might as well just flash Franco Kernel over it just so you're safe. If you have his FKU app then you can set Per-App-Mode as I mentioned previously.
Custom ROM isn't going to help your phone be "cooler" in temperature. Its on the kernel side of things. You'll need to downclock the phone accordingly on CPU frequency and GPU frequency. I was able to play 1.2-1.7GHz with 330 MHz on GPU. Don't take what I post for granted though, you'll need to sit down and try it out yourself to get the balance between temperature and performance.
At the end of the day, you'll also squeeze out more battery life playing the game too so thats always nice. Lowered temperatures and additional battery life? :victory:
warlynx said:
Well, I guess it's pretty normal if a phone gets hot while playing hardcore games.
But is it supposed to get this hot while playing games? Sometimes, just by playing Plants Vs. Zombies 2, the phone gets really hot (hotter on the camera part of the phone) that makes it unplayable due to the hotness that makes the camera part untouchable (or I'll get hurt)
I'm asking if this is normal, and if it happens to you guys.
I'm new here btw, so go easy on me
Love ya
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Yes, mine gets too damn hot as well, to the point of burning my fingers, and I was not gaming, just browsing the internet while charging...
It even smells like "hot laptop" and even in the morning, after being charging and off all night, it was still hot...
Also, on my side pocket, I could feel it's heat on my leg while driving...
gothicx said:
Yes, mine gets too damn hot as well, to the point of burning my fingers, and I was not gaming, just browsing the internet while charging...
It even smells like "hot laptop" and even in the morning, after being charging and off all night, it was still hot...
Also, on my side pocket, I could feel it's heat on my leg while driving...
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It's probably not a great idea to leave your phone on charge all night. You can't overcharge it, but the more time the battery spends at the peak voltage (4.2v) the faster it will degrade. Just a tip.
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It's probably not a great idea to leave your phone on charge all night. You can't overcharge it, but the more time the battery spends at the peak voltage (4.2v) the faster it will degrade. Just a tip.
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Have to check ao much time it will take to reach 100% and then switch it off via timer or such, but I never had this problem with other phones.
Also the OPO charger it's rated at 5V-2.1A and not even my tablets had such chargers...
The highest one I've it's the Nexus 7 one, that's rated at 5.2V-1.5A.
i recently getting extrene heat on my OnePlus to the point that i have to stop n reboot the phone for it to cool down. I have been playing brave frontier since the 1st firmware. The phone runs fine smooth. N suddenly it gets really hot in just 15min play of the game.
I have to stop n reboot the phone. Otherwise it still hot even though i quit the game without reboot. So reboot is a must.
The same thing happened to me today when I downloaded XCOM Enemy Within. I had the phone on "performance" mode. Its pretty much just stock everything, except I unlocked the bootloader, root, etc. I'm going to try and play in on "power save" mode tomorrow. (its late as hell, I should be asleep, I work in 5 hours.) anyway, if that doesn't work, then I will try installing the Franco kernel.
Same problem!
First I really love my OBO, actually I think I'm in love withit. Ohh my god - I'm in love!
But I have the same problem - the fix no. 1 for me was Clean Master and Battery Doctor. I start the cleaning process, and stop all other applications before I start Simcity.
Ohh **** did I just said Simcity! Okay wtf, yes i'm 31 years old, I play Simcity and I'm proud of it...
Fix no.2: have your phone in the hands so it can breath, and not on the couch / bed so the hot air can't escape
I don't know anything about flash, kennel, root and what you young beautiful people call it.
Last but not least, I thank God and myself everyday for switching from iPhone to the best phone ever - The amazing OnePlus One.
Hope the 2 fix can help some.