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I think I have a defective thunderbolt battery, sometimes when I pull my phone off the charger it drops to 95%. Funny thing this is not a everyday thing. Anybody having a similar problem like this? Sorry if this been discuss before. Have a bless day everybody...on my way to the office.
I have the same thing happen. There is something goofy with how the meter reports battery level. If you reboot your phone it drops even more.
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Yea I notice that too. I seen my battery drop down 15 percent after rebooting. Is the battery defective? Or the phone is defective?
Bump charge it. Charge it all the way. Unplug, turn it off, then on, and keep charging.
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The phone/battery aren't defective. I have the extended battery so I never bump charge it, but he is right. Charge it up until your charging light goes green, unplug it and then turn it off. Once it shuts down, plug it back in and will now be orange. Charge it until it's green again. Sometimes it will take a few minutes, sometimes an hour. I'm also color blind so I can never tell whether that damned light is red/orange/green. >.<
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The phone/battery aren't defective. I have the extended battery so I never bump charge it, but he is right. Charge it up until your charging light goes green, unplug it and then turn it off. Once it shuts down, plug it back in and will now be orange. Charge it until it's green again. Sometimes it will take a few minutes, sometimes an hour. I'm also color blind so I can never tell whether that damned light is red/orange/green. >.<
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He gonna have to turn it on then plug the charger in. If left off then plugged in the phone will boot into recovery.
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charge ur batt. to 100%, then go into cwm and clear batt. stats, when u turn it back on it should b around 80-85% then charge all the way back full again and then u will b at full capacity
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charge ur batt. to 100%, then go into cwm and clear batt. stats, when u turn it back on it should b around 80-85% then charge all the way back full again and then u will b at full capacity
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is this all the time we have to do, I have the extended battery and it doesnt drop and I read about clearing the batterystats.bin but is this something we always have to do when we charge the phone? when I use the standard stock battery it drops with no problem
I didn't have any issues until I wiped the battery stats and now, my battery is constantly inconsistent. I would not recommend doing it as it has nothing but a pain in my arse since.
Have tried "bumping it" which essentially means to charge it to 100%, restart it, then charge it back again from whatever it dropped to.. Mine initially was around 85ish.. After a few "bumps" it crept up to 90 or 91 and then wouldn't go any higher. I charged it back to 100% and decided to follow the advice from another article which said to let it deplete to 0%.. In doing that, surprisingly it "froze" in a couple of places, I don't recall the 1st % but the 2nd % was definitely at the 28% mark. It literally sat there for a good 2+ hours with screen on max and didn't go down. Eventually it went down to 1% and I charged it back to 100%.
Issues still remain, wondering if I should've let it completely die out and force itself off?
Lesson: DO NOT MESS WITH BATTERY STATS with CW.
obriennathaniel said:
charge ur batt. to 100%, then go into cwm and clear batt. stats, when u turn it back on it should b around 80-85% then charge all the way back full again and then u will b at full capacity
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Where do I get into CWM, to do this?
Thanks for your help everybody! I'm sorry if this is a dumb question...what is CWM? My device is stock.
CWM = Clockwork Mod.. Goto Market, download ROM manager, then you can flash CWM. Not sure if that'll do you any good if you're not rooted though.
why when I reboot my phone like 15% of the battery life drops I love this damn phone man...i cant put it down while im at work
The battery reading after reboot is wierd.
Yesterday I was at 51% and draining are at a pretty steady rate like normal. After rebooting, it showed 41% but then it say at 41% for AWHILE.. after like an hour, it read 40% and started discharging at the normal rate.
Your battery gauge is lying to you (and it's not such a bad thing)
Good Read
feedhead said:
Your battery gauge is lying to you (and it's not such a bad thing)
Good Read
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Thanks for the repost, I had skimmed this thread earlier but don't recall it being so detailed. Seems like the moral of the story is that while "bump charging" works, it's not really recommended as it can reduce the overall life of the battery. Wonderful, now I regret ever messing with the battery stats at all, although I can't say for sure I didn't have this issue prior to doing so.
My OEM battery wouldn't hold a charge even after charging it all day... I took it to the VZ store and they replaced it for free...... I also just bought the larger 2750 mAh battery.... works great!
I have done bump charging and everything I can think of to get my battery to top off at 100% when I remove it from a power source. Every single time though it drops to anywhere from 95-97% within a minute.
Do I need to clear the battery stats and hope for the best? Do I need to request a new battery from Verizon?
Also, to clear battery stats do I need to run the phone down to nearly dead, clear stats, then charge it up? I have conflicting info on when to clear or if it's even a wise idea on the Thunderbolt.
htowngator said:
Also, to clear battery stats do I need to run the phone down to nearly dead, clear stats, then charge it up? I have conflicting info on when to clear or if it's even a wise idea on the Thunderbolt.
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I've been wondering about this as well. Good question
I always turn the phone off, charge to 100% then boot and immediately clear stats. After that let it drain till dead. I like to let it charge back up all the way with the phone off. Then use it normally. Always worked for me.
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ajd88 said:
I always turn the phone off, charge to 100% then boot and immediately clear stats. After that let it drain till dead. I like to let it charge back up all the way with the phone off. Then use it normally. Always worked for me.
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I've only cleared stats once but this is the process I used. Seemed to work well.
htowngator said:
I have done bump charging and everything I can think of to get my battery to top off at 100% when I remove it from a power source. Every single time though it drops to anywhere from 95-97% within a minute.
Do I need to clear the battery stats and hope for the best? Do I need to request a new battery from Verizon?
Also, to clear battery stats do I need to run the phone down to nearly dead, clear stats, then charge it up? I have conflicting info on when to clear or if it's even a wise idea on the Thunderbolt.
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If you leave it on the charger for an extended period of time it will always drop off a few percent rather quickly. A new battery will not fix that. From what I understand it is a feature that helps prevent overcharging. As for battery stats I only clear them if I switch from a standard to an extended battery or sometimes if you flash a ROM when not already charged to 100% and notice the battery has gotten worse.
dirtyfingers said:
If you leave it on the charger for an extended period of time it will always drop off a few percent rather quickly. A new battery will not fix that. From what I understand it is a feature that helps prevent overcharging. As for battery stats I only clear them if I switch from a standard to an extended battery or sometimes if you flash a ROM when not already charged to 100% and notice the battery has gotten worse.
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This. The battery charges to full and then will stop charging to prevent overcharging. Also it's good practice as said above to clear stats after loading a new ROM or switching out batteries.
There is an app on the market called battery calibration which walks you through step by step the proper way to calibrate it. Obviously you have to be rooted but you can clear stats without having to reboot into recovery. Of course you can run the new Das Bamf rom with their toolkit which also has a clear battery stats option in it.
What I do in the mornings when I wake up after charging all night, is reboot and continue to let it charge until I walk out the door.
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This thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051 explains why this happens.
Basically the battery meter is lying to you when it says 100% right when you take it off the charger, it's actually a couple percentage points below 100%. This is because keeping the phone at 100% while on the charger shortens the battery life.
So basically don't worry it's normal.
Everyone: I know why it happens and that it's normal.
I am talking about why after I do a bump charge and keep recharging it to 100% (i.e. take it off power, let it dip to 95%, put it back on power, charge till green). After it immediately goes green I pull it off and less than a minute later it's down to 96 or 97%, for example.
The last couple of days I've noticed something strange with my battery. I keep it on the charger all night and when I get up in the morning my phone says the battery is at 100% and the charge LED is green. The instant I pull my phone off the charger it drops a couple percent. I thought that was strange so this morning instead of pulling the phone off I just shut it down. Once the phone was completely off the LED went from Green to Orange as if it was charging again. It look another 20 minutes to turn green again. I powered the phone up and as soon as sense is loaded I am back to 93% battery.
Anyone else see this? I've wiped battery stats and did the whole calibration but that didn't seem to fix the issue.
That is normal... Once the batt hits 100%, the charger goes off and lets it drop to 95% or so and starts charging again. It does this to protect the battery. Also when you turn off, it will restart the charge.
The battery is lying, but that's not such a bad thing.
Check this out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
My battery has been acting up the last few days as well. As in, going from a full charge to ~35% in 3 hours and then down to ~12% an hour later. No new apps added, nothing out of the ordinary done. Regular uses and charging cycle. I normally reset my battery stats when I flash a new incarnation of a new ROM, but after a couple of days everything seems to be back to normal.
I've been baffled by this, but have yet to find the culprit. An app or searching for signal are my only thoughts.
qman66 said:
Check this out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
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This makes perfect sense, thank you for the link!
Has anyone realized this or is it just me, every sense 3.5 that I've tried the battery indicator is incorrect.
For example, I just had 41% battery life before resetting my phone and now I have only 4%. Is it not charging the battery correctly? I also turn the phone off after it says 100% and then charge until the green led comes on but still it is either draining too fast and phone doesn't detect it until a reset or the battery isn't be charged completely because the rom thinks it's 100. I have caliibrated and erased the batterystats.bin file so many times and it's still the same. any insight on this? I have a brand new battery from htc as well.
Same problem
Constantly "calibrating" or deleting the battery stats is the exact reason this happens. You dont have to do that, regardless of what people say.
This will happen until the battery has been charged/discharged a few times and will slowly stop happening.
No issue here, got my new anker battery.. Flashed BP 2.1.5 and since then, my battery has been normal and amazing!
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Constantly "calibrating" or deleting the battery stats is the exact reason this happens. You dont have to do that, regardless of what people say.
This will happen until the battery has been charged/discharged a few times and will slowly stop happening.
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This. When I flash ROMs I don't really do anything in relation to the battery. I just use my phone like normal. The first day or two you might get a little more drain than usual, but after that it will be completely normal and you don't have to do anything like wipe battery stats or calibrate or run it down to 5% and charge it all the way up or whatever.
Yes, constantly resetting battery stats is bad. Should only occur right after flashing the new ROM. Ideally you'll have charged your phone to 100%, flashed the new ROM, and immediately putting it through 5 discharge/charge cycles.
My battery life was horrendous when I didn't properly calibrate the battery. Going through the process now and its lasting a significantly longer time compared to not going through the process. I'm talking about getting like 6 hours of light usage compared to like 15.
Or it could be just ARHD. I really didn't like that ROM. Anyways, I'm running Bulletproof 2.1.5 with 3.5 Sense on an Anker battery and its doing great.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that. My battery life was horrendous when I didn't properly calibrate the battery by going through at least 3 full discharge and charge cycles. Going through the process now and its lasting a significantly longer time compared to not going through the process. I'm talking about getting like 6 hours of light usage compared to like 15.
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+ 1 my battery was shocking, im on my second full cycle currently at 2% lol and already i've noticed improvements by like 20%
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I've done everything, calibrated the battery numerous times with and without wiping the batterystats.bin and it's still acting up. Say this morning I wake up, take the phone off charge at 100%, go out, and restart the phone for any reason when the phone's battery meter is at 95%, after the restart the meter will jump down to 70%.
This is with a new battery, new rom, totally wiped device, I even used the ruu to get me back to the stock rom.
Anyone have any idea what's the problem? The battery life is ****, and doesn't seem to get any better with calibration.
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I've done everything, calibrated the battery numerous times with and without wiping the batterystats.bin and it's still acting up. Say this morning I wake up, take the phone off charge at 100%, go out, and restart the phone for any reason when the phone's battery meter is at 95%, after the restart the meter will jump down to 70%.
This is with a new battery, new rom, totally wiped device, I even used the ruu to get me back to the stock rom.
Anyone have any idea what's the problem? The battery life is ****, and doesn't seem to get any better with calibration.
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This is your culprit. Let it bed in a few days, and performance should stabilize.
Go through 5 full charges/discharges, uninterrupted. Yes, it's a pain in the ass, but you signed up for it when you flashed a new ROM.
Everytime you wipe your battery stats, you have to go through the 5 cycle process again. Uninterrupted.
EDIT: Had a lil too much rum and misspelled a few words. I even misspelled mispelled
Alright dude, I'm going to take you up on your word, I'll give you another update within 5 days.
This is a problem with all Sensation ROMs, even with S-On and Stock ROMs. I get a problem like this one too. If I have 60% left, and I restart the phone, it goes up to 69% and I don't know why. Also very slow charging from the original wall charger, but if I reboot when it's charging at 70-75%, when it finally boots, it says 100% charge. This must be some bug from HTC or something. :S
Hi,
Same problem (with Sense 3.0/Sence 3.5 and different ROM),but is there a fix for that?
I saw this:
Batt Jumping hopefully solved (Beta) = Done
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The thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1287129 .
Probably a way to fix the issue?
Should be asked about this in the ROM thread?
Me too same bug since first day, I think it's a battery sensor fault
It's not a hardware fault...it's not a battery fault...it *may* be a ROM/kernel issue...but I suggest you give your battery a few discharge/charge cycles and you'll see it should go back to normal.
I posted this in another forum and the response I got was somewhat weak. Instead of re typing everything I will cut and paste my posts and hopefully you guys can guide me in the right direction!
Here was post 1 -->
I just bought a Rooted Nexus S from ebay. It is running this ROM Nexus S ICS 4.0.4 stock OTA ROM (IMM76D)
Now, I know nothing about android, I'm coming off a series of old turd phones because i'm always breaking them. I'll probably break this one too, but hopefully not for a while.
When I got the phone I put the battery in and turned it on, then charged it overnight. It will only charge to 54% and stay there. I talked to the seller he said it charged normally for him. He said he did a complete wipe and USB wipe before he shipped it.
The battery seems to drain normally (I guess, I have nothing to really compare it to) from 54% but it would be nice to have it charge to the 90% -ish range haha. I allowed the battery to drain to 40% and put it back on charge, it been on charge for almost an hour and will only charge to 41%? Do you guys have any ideas what I can do to fix this? Is this a sign it needs a new battery, or a software glitch? The seller said the battery shouldn't need replacing.
Also in the battery app under setting, Android System is using 28% is that a lot?
My last question is an important one to me haha. Is there anyway to convert the querty keyboard to a T9? I 've gotten used to texting with one hand and T9 makes it so much easier to do so.
Thanks everybody!
Someone recommended I try the battery calibration app So I did!
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Ok, I ran the Battery Calibration app. I let my phone charge for hours. It would only charge up to 38% this time. However, the percentage was 38% but it was charged to 3810 mV (and would not charge past this point). And full charge is approximately 4200 mV according to the Battery Calibration app. So I assumed that 3810 mV was my current battery's max charge (keep in mind it is a couple months old) and set battery calibration at that point.
This is from the app description --> It's suggested, but not necessary, to let the phone fully discharge after calibration, then charged to 100% without break.
So thats what I'll do. I should mention that even though I ran the battery calibration, the battery percentage has been draining from 38%. In other words, my phone now reads 26% battery charge, but is at 3758 mV.
I'm thinking that when I go to charge it after fully draining the battery, it will hopefully charge close to 100%. It seems as though the percentage is the only thing that is off. Because the mV reading seems accurate.
Here is a screenshot, what do you guys think?
This site won't let me post the screen shot until 8 posts, but I will do that once I get there!
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The app says to let the phone fully discharge after calibration. I am now at 15%, but mV is at 3658. Should I recharge when the percentage has dropped lower, or when the mV reaches a low point? Are these phones really this finicky. I'm starting to miss my old 2007 flip phone haha
It's now at 14% and now asking for me to plug it in to charge lol but mV is still way high (3655)
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update, charge % reached 0 and the phone shut down. Now charging, Current charge is at 0%, 3595 mV. No one has any idea whats up?
Shouldn't mV be near 0 when charge is at 0%, and be near 4000mV when charge is near 100%?
hopefully you guys can help me fix this issue. Otherwise it'll have to go back to 'ol reliable, the 2007, multiple cracked screen, nokia slider lol It's not pretty, but it works!
There is a built in safety feature in our batteries to prevent deep discharges. IIRC, the safe cutoff point is around maybe 34xx mV. I could be off, but its to prevent damage to the battery. Here's more on them
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/is_lithium_ion_the_ideal_battery
As for voltages, a full battery should be around 4100mV. Mine tops out around 4196. I'm not too familiar with all of it though. Most of the stuff I learn is through observation and links others provide.
Thanks for the reply! So are you saying that when the voltage is around 34xx the battery charge % should be close to or around 0%. And when the voltage is near the 4000mV range the charge %tage should be approximately 9x%
Do I have the right idea here?
Its hard to say while its charging. My phone is at 4000mv around 70% so I don't really know exactly how it works. But a full battery should read around the voltages I posted. There's people on here who know more about it, so hopefully they'll chime in.
But yes. When its close to zero, it should be around that range. It will differ from battery to battery.
Ah k thanks! My original problem was that the phone would only charge to 54% and would not go past that point. I'm waiting to see if it will get into the 90 ish % range after running the battery calibration now.
The app itself doesn't actually do anything. The stats will get reset once the charge reaches 90% My girlfriend's phone was the same way. It wouldn't charge past 75%. I let the phone run dead and charged it while it was off and it fixed the problem. If it doesn't go to 90%, try charging while off and just letting it run until it gives the warning to charge, turn it off and let it charge overnight .
Ok. Well I let the phone run dead earlier today as I mentioned in one of the above posts. But I didn't charge it with the phone off. I put it on charge with the phone on, and now it won't charge past 11%
It just seems to be getting worse and worse? It's been going between 10% and 11% and has been at 11% for about 2 hours now. Maybe this time I will drain it again and try charging it with the phone off like you suggested.
This is slightly annoying
All else fails grab another battery. They're dirt cheap on eBay. Just get one from a reputable seller
Ok, so I let the battery drain. then fully charged it with the phone off. When I turned it on, it had 47% charge.
The guy I bought it from said that before I buy a battery I should download an app called rom manager and download a new rom. he thinks its a software bug because he had no problems with the battery when he was running cyanogen mod 9 on it.
I wouldn't mind giving trying this, except I don't even know what a rom is. Is it operating system? I like the way the phone works now, If only I could get it to charge fully.
Thoughts?
Ok, I just did a bunch of reading and downloaded ROM manager premium. Hopefully I get this figured out. Owning one of these phones is a lot of work
lts pretty much a pocket computer. Coming from an older type of phone, a lot of things are going to be different. Gotta start somewhere. Reading up on it and toying around with the phone will help in the long run. Trust me.
or not....
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Haha, pretty much. I'm slowly starting to learn more. I didn't think there was this much of a learning curve, thats what took me by surprise thats all. I'm a fast learner so I'm not too worried. I didn't have time to play around on it tonight, maybe on the weekend. I found out I could use it without the sim card which is awesome! Because now I can use old faithful while I learn more about android.
Thanks for the help so far though, I'm sure I'll have more questions soon haha
Haha. Yep. You can have tons of fun just using it over wifi!
Do keep in mind, fully dishcharging a lithium ion (li-ion) battery deteriorates the battery even more. We only discharge because older phones use nickel cadmium batteries which need more maintenance to get to their maximum life span and use.
Off topic though.
Battery calibration just wipes your battery stats. You can do this by going into any recovery program eg clockworkmod receovery or team win recovery project. You can wipe the battery stats yourself. If that still doesnt work. Try doing a clean install of your custom rom or kernel. If your not on a custom rom or kernel. Nor your rooted. Try formating the SD card in the Nexus S (or fully wiping the sd card). Than do a factory reset.
Ok, so I finally had some time to learn to flash etc. After backing up, I downloaded and flashed the same rom from SD, I cleared davlik cache and also selected the wipe data and cache option from ROM Manager (I assume that this is what is called a clean install?)
This is the ROM I am using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1653713 Slightly customized stock ROM, rooted.
After start up I waited a while and then plugged it into the charger, it only charges to 54% still. Sometimes it creeps up. One thing I noticed is that if I use the phone while it is charging, it actually drains the battery. So it will go from 54% to 52% and slowly drain. Is this an indication of a pooched battery?
Any suggestions? I will order a battery. Where do you guys order your batterries, I read that the oem samsung 1500 is reliable.