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Price is coming down.... I'm getting tempted
Maybe there's a reason for? ;-) I was going to get one for myself, but missunderstanding with wireless signal in landscape mode have changed my mind, since I game a lot.
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Yes, the price is coming down because of the dual cores coming out, and other Samsung 1.2 or 1.4Ghz single cores etc. The Desire S is fast enough for me though!
Komatoes said:
Price is coming down.... I'm getting tempted
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Do you have a direct link as i can only find it for £359???
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HTC-Desire-...U9YM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303417332&sr=8-1
It looks like you have missed it, sorry It was definitely that price this morning... and it was from Amazon, not a marketplace seller. I still think some other good deals will come along soon. Just wait for some more dual core phones to come out... ;-)
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Check out this deal. Could be the cheapest way to get the phone:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/htc-desire-s-free-includes-internet-90-cashback-no-redemptions-13-50-per-month-o/924805/#post11114827
I went for 18 months at £18.50 - if the £90 quidco tracks that would mean the phone would cost me £243. I know that would be on a low useage contract but even if you never used the contract, the phone would still be cheaper than anywhere else.
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OMG!!!!!! I just made a thread on this that o2 had it but you had to have to have all the o2 apps + £15 to unlock!!! Now THIS is EVEN BETTER!!!!
I am defo getting this phone now!! The price will only drop, and drop! Come on June/July, i'm waiting for you!
(I have even changed my avatar to the desire s... I want it that bad )
Actually, it's £379.99.... have you got a link pls?
Or maybe amazon editted it when they releized it was too cheap... Damn ... xD
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Actually, it's £379.99.... have you got a link pls?
Or maybe amazon editted it when they releized it was too cheap... Damn ... xD
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It was from Amazon. I checked it when I first read this thread and it was at £329.99
But hours later, the price went back up :/
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It was from Amazon. I checked it when I first read this thread and it was at £329.99
But hours later, the price went back up :/
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Shame... maybe they made a typo, then had to correct it... Anyway, by the time i upgrade phone in June, the price would have dropped to less than £300 ... do you think it would?
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Shame... maybe they made a typo, then had to correct it... Anyway, by the time i upgrade phone in June, the price would have dropped to less than £300 ... do you think it would?
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hey man get this http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/htc-desire-s-free-includes-internet-90-cashback-no-redemptions-13-50-per-month-o/924805/#post11114827
after topcashback it comes to about £240, and you can bring the contract down to £10.50 a month from 13.50 which makes it about 160 after cashback, i got it, dont plan on using the sim card, works out well cheaper than buying the phone, only on offer for saturday and possibly sunday so snap it up quickly
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hey man get this http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/htc-desire-s-free-includes-internet-90-cashback-no-redemptions-13-50-per-month-o/924805/#post11114827
after topcashback it comes to about £240, and you can bring the contract down to £10.50 a month from 13.50 which makes it about 160 after cashback, i got it, dont plan on using the sim card, works out well cheaper than buying the phone, only on offer for saturday and possibly sunday so snap it up quickly
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Thanks for that! But i'd like a sim free phone, as i'm happy with my giffgaff tariff, thanks anyway!
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/04/22/price-htc-desire-s-falls-330/
Go here!
THey said it was, but the price changed! It was £329! But went up... :/
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Thanks for that! But i'd like a sim free phone, as i'm happy with my giffgaff tariff, thanks anyway!
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o2 sim unlock it for free it works out far cheaper than buying the handset, and giffgaff use o2 anyway so its not locked to use with them.
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o2 sim unlock it for free it works out far cheaper than buying the handset, and giffgaff use o2 anyway so its not locked to use with them.
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Thanks, if you look at the general forum, i created a thread on this too
o2 sell it payg for £329 aswell THe only rerason i do not want it is because of the o2 bloatware, and i won't be installing custom ROMs...
Just went out and purchased this, this afternoon from the O2 shop for £324.40
Got £5.50 off for O2 loyalty/rewards for my old pay and go sim lol... Not bad
Gonna spend the weekend playing with it...
MarylandCookie said:
Just went out and purchased this, this afternoon from the O2 shop for £324.40
Got £5.50 off for O2 loyalty/rewards for my old pay and go sim lol... Not bad
Gonna spend the weekend playing with it...
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nice lucky you
is there any o2 bloatware on it? any o2 apps, themes, bootscreens?
Funnily enough mine doesnt have anything O2!
No bootscreens, no apps, themes or even screen savers lol!
Firmware is:
1.28.401.1 with 2.1 Sense and 2.3.3 GB.
Oh and it also came with a SanDisk SD card rather than the usual Samsung
The chap at the store did say it was a new batch that came in today so i think it may have generic firmware.
Think i got lucky!!
When i get some time i may try another sim.
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Funnily enough mine doesnt have anything O2!
No bootscreens, no apps, themes or even screen savers lol!
Firmware is:
1.28.401.1 with 2.1 Sense and 2.3.3 GB.
Oh and it also came with a SanDisk SD card rather than the usual Samsung
The chap at the store did say it was a new batch that came in today so i think it may have generic firmware.
Think i got lucky!!
When i get some time i may try another sim.
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wow! you are so lucky! do they have any demo units in stire to play around with? i'll go chexk it out at my own o2 shop soon! are you sure, because i heard ppl say that the browser default homepage is the o2 page... can you pls check?
maybe when you get future updates, you might get the o2 crapware back...
pls try another sim to see if it's unlocked
Just checked browser and its set to www.google.com
Ive switched the updates off for now incase they close the GB exploit
And guess what!!
ITS SIM FREE Whooooohooooo!
Good job you asked me to check! Worth much more!
Im sooo happy!
If you need any numbers from the box i can provide them for you to "hopefully" increase your chances of a simfree generic handset.
Well after several great months with the 4G, I have to move on. Thanks to all of you that helped. And I hope that I was able to help a few people along the way also. I am now the proud owner of a HTC Sensation, hope to see some of you in those forums!
How'd you get one? I'm going to order one over the phone using my upgrade but going to go through retentions to get it cheaper.
I want one but unfortunately I don't have the funds.
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How'd you get one? I'm going to order one over the phone using my upgrade but going to go through retentions to get it cheaper.
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Wal-Mart has been screwing up and selling them early, funny thing is I told them No upgrade, no contract, full retail... I still got it for $148.88... Pure luck, so far this phone is a lot of fun, will be even better once the bootloader is unlocked and a stable CM7 is made for it!
Of Course...
If anyone wants to buy one for a spare or development...
CM7 RC3
In Red...
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Wal-Mart has been screwing up and selling them early, funny thing is I told them No upgrade, no contract, full retail... I still got it for $148.88... Pure luck, so far this phone is a lot of fun, will be even better once the bootloader is unlocked and a stable CM7 is made for it!
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Dude!! Maybe I should try this lol.
Tatdude806 said:
Wal-Mart has been screwing up and selling them early, funny thing is I told them No upgrade, no contract, full retail... I still got it for $148.88... Pure luck, so far this phone is a lot of fun, will be even better once the bootloader is unlocked and a stable CM7 is made for it!
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Are you effing serious, they sold it off contract for the contract price?! I need to go to Walmart.... Did you say or do anything or was it just pure dumb luck and a screw up by them?
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Are you effing serious, they sold it off contract for the contract price?! I need to go to Walmart.... Did you say or do anything or was it just pure dumb luck and a screw up by them?
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I believe it was an honest screw-up. At first the guy didn't want to sell it to me, but I convinced him.
Am I reading this right? He sold it to you at the contract price?! Wow youre so lucky man...
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Am I reading this right? He sold it to you at the contract price?! Wow youre so lucky man...
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I have read random reports of this happening at various Wal-Mart's around the country. I guess it depends on whether or not the rep is paying attention, or knows what they are doing.
I got an upgrade through retentions, unfortunately it had to be done through them so no $150 Walmart deal here. However it finally showed up in Tmo's systems today so I called a little while ago and ordered it through them. $250 with $50 MIR. This week is gonna drag ass while I wait for UPS...
Sorry bro, now you have to write a full in depth report/review/critique with pics and everything when you get it I'm ready to switch just want to test the waters first
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Only real issues
The only issues I have found are incompatibility with some widgets, (Battery Life, Mobile Signal Widget) and programs like Mr. Number Caller ID... Otherwise, this is a great phone...
Due to sense 3.0?
Oh and sensation is dual core snapdragon, correct?
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I believe it was an honest screw-up. At first the guy didn't want to sell it to me, but I convinced him.
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The force is strong with this one.
I got mine at Wal-Mart last Wednesday. They are selling it for $600 off-contract, but I printed out an article online that showed T-Mobile will be selling it for $549.99, and they matched it!
Seeing as how I just ordered 3 new batteries for 3.95 and an otterbox for 22.00 i think I'll probably be here for awhile
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Seeing as how I just ordered 3 new batteries for 3.95 and an otterbox for 22.00 i think I'll probably be here for awhile
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I'm going to be here a while as well. I'm not going to buy into a new contract until i see how the ATT/T-Mobile Merger goes. If they start jacking my contract around. I'm leaving.
I ordered one as well, but ****ing dickheads shipped it out via ground! I asked for express shipping or the fastest they have.
On the email TMO sent me, it said shipping method was overnight, today I check the UPS tracking number, it says its been shipped out via ground.
ARGGhhh
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I ordered one as well, but ****ing dickheads shipped it out via ground! I asked for express shipping or the fastest they have.
On the email TMO sent me, it said shipping method was overnight, today I check the UPS tracking number, it says its been shipped out via ground.
ARGGhhh
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Ground shipping is usually pretty damn quick. A shipping label was created Monday night and it shipped this morning and UPS says it will be here day after tomorrow. I know its the day after release but I am still pretty pleased.
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The title says it all! The woman at AT&T said that the people who pre-order before the second will have the devices at their doorstep on the fourth! I am excited for this forum to be my new home! I hope we have a lot of wonderful Dev support!!!
-Mike
Doing the OoooWeee Boogie PreOrdered Mine
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The title says it all! The woman at AT&T said that the people who pre-order before the second will have the devices at their doorstep on the fourth! I am excited for this forum to be my new home! I hope we have a lot of wonderful Dev support!!!
-Mike
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What color?? I got white.
Same here.
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So if you preorder at your local AT&T store, you won't get it til the 6th? The early delivery is online only?
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So if you preorder at your local AT&T store, you won't get it til the 6th? The early delivery is online only?
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Nope. I went into the store and will be picking it up on the 4th.
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Nope. I went into the store and will be picking it up on the 4th.
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Awesome going tomorrow to preorder.
Preordered the white one as well, website order.
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Nope. I went into the store and will be picking it up on the 4th.
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Really? Normally you get it early if you get it shipped to your home. Stores are generally prohibited from giving you the phone before the release.
EDIT:Yeah, store pickup is the 6th.
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Really? Normally you get it early if you get it shipped to your home. Stores are generally prohibited from giving you the phone before the release.
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Guy in the store said they're getting them in Friday. He said I'd be getting a call Friday when it comes in.
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Why preorder? Wouldn't it be a better idea just to wait until May 3rd to see what Samsung has to offer?
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Why preorder? Wouldn't it be a better idea just to wait until May 3rd to see what Samsung has to offer?
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Cause they may be like me and not really care what Samsung is gonna offer. Or they are gonna get the One X and get the Samsung later this year when it appears on AT&T
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I'm excited for this as well. T-Minus 12 days until I get my One X. So excited I could cry.
Att store ....white ordered...Friday pickup...
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Cause they may be like me and not really care what Samsung is gonna offer. Or they are gonna get the One X and get the Samsung later this year when it appears on AT&T
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Plus if the GS3 has everything you have ever wanted and somehow will hit att in 2 weeks.. you could cancel the preorder
Just got done placing the order in store (white model). I was worried they wouldn't honor the free upgrade fee that I usually get from the website (they did honor it). I did however find out that my $15 (200MB) data plan was no longer available and I would have to go up to the $20 (300MB) plan. Even then they were pressuring me hard to go with the bigger data plan. Told the guy to look at my current usage on the account...which was 20MB so far. Didn't seem to matter to him. Told me he uses 200MB before making it to work in the morning. This is why I like doing everything online. Still, $212 after tax and everything feels about right for this phone. Used it for the first time in the store and loved it!
The manager told me that as soon as the phone arrives at the store he will give me a call and I can get it that day which should be Friday the 4th at the very latest, but expects it much earlier than that.
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What color?? I got white.
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I got black. While the white looks sexy (my friend has the international version), I prefer the black.
I was debating whether to wait t see what sammy has to offer on the third, however:
1) my HTC Aria is really starting to show its age
2) while the phone may be announced on the third, they may not even mention when it will be coming to the US; and I'm not about to wait around for six months unsure if it will even come to AT&T.
3) there is no guarantee that the SIII will be available at the steal of a price that the One X will is
4) If by chance that all of these factors fall in favor of the SIII, one can always return the One X, fight the re-stocking fee and pick up the SIII
P.S. I just ordered these two items from Amazon. This phone needs to be protected incredibly well because when I ride my motorcycle, the phone goes in the jacket pocket with all of my other belongings...
Case
Screen Protector
Did anyone order a case and/or a screen protector in advance? I'd like to know what the options are! I personally am a favor of TPU. Keeps the bulk down, yet does the job.
-Mike
Tried to place an order on the AT&T website twice in the past hour, but when I click to upgrade phone, the website has an error and can't process the request. It was working fine this morning (didn't have time to pre-order, just looked at it)
Im not much in to preordering but I plan on getting this phone, I went to my local store a couple hours ago and they dont have any on display, hell they barely even knew what I was talking about lol which is weird since they did announce it being preordered.
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BoostedSR20 said:
Tried to place an order on the AT&T website twice in the past hour, but when I click to upgrade phone, the website has an error and can't process the request. It was working fine this morning (didn't have time to pre-order, just looked at it)
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Browse for the phone, then order
I just noticed this line in my upgrade pre-order confirmation:
You have chosen to upgrade your device with no-commit pricing. Please note, SIM cards are not included with no-commitment orders. If you need a new SIM card, please place your order at a store near you, or by phone at 1-888-333-6651.
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So I guess no micro-SIM in the box for me... Hopefully the store can take care of that for me... Does anyone know how funny they would be "upgrading" my plan from my 4gb tether data plan to the LTE 5 GB tether plan? It won't let me do it online...
I just wanted to post this for all of you considering getting a new phone on AT&T, such as the One, S4, Blackberry, etc. According to what I have read, it looks like AT&T is starting a promotion tomorrow that will give an instant $100 or more credit toward a new phone of your choice when you trade in your old working smart phone, ( 3 years old or less). This may help in the decision making process for many people.
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57582180-85/at-t-trade-in-drops-galaxy-s4-htc-one-others-to-$99/
not sure if its worth returning the gs4 and re-buying it again using a trade in.... when i could sell the trade in phone for 200 on CL and making my phone free....
I do have a old captivate... I wonder what condition does it have to be in?
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I got $160 for my og note. The Sales Rep kept doing something on her tablet and my phone keypad til she got $160. paid like 86 bucks for my s4.
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It is true. It starts tomorrow May 1st. Bring in any smartphone 3 years and newer in working condition, no cracked screens, etc. and receive $100 towards the purchase of a smartphone $199 or more.
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I'm starting to hate AT&T even more. I recently tried to get an early upgrade (60 days away) & was turned down over the phone. It really pissed me off since I've been a long time customer in good standing. Pissed me off so much, I've been considering going to TMO & now they do this to me. Hopefully this last for more than 30 days since they won't budge unless im within 30 days or less.
Can you trade in a rooted and unlocked phone that has been flashed?
I want the S4 pretty badly and I want to trade in my 1 year old HTC One X but I unlocked, rooted and flashed this thing.
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Can you trade in a rooted and unlocked phone that has been flashed?
I want the S4 pretty badly and I want to trade in my 1 year old HTC One X but I unlocked, rooted and flashed this thing.
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So re-lock and unroot it?
You can probably sell the phone for way more on eBay or some other places. It's not worth giving it to att.
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Took in my 2 year old gs2 and picked up 100 off the s4. Just reverted to stock from aokp. Dont think it was worth the hassle of selling on ebay.
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does anyone know how extensively they check the phone at the store? My phone works perfectly except that for some reason I can't get any service on it. I've tried fixing and troubleshooting for a while but have given up so I'm looking to get back some money for it. So does anyone know if they will check the phone for reception?
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does anyone know how extensively they check the phone at the store? My phone works perfectly except that for some reason I can't get any service on it. I've tried fixing and troubleshooting for a while but have given up so I'm looking to get back some money for it. So does anyone know if they will check the phone for reception?
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I removed the sim from mine and it was at the setup screen (touch the android) and that was it. It was only checked to be sure it would power on and nothing further.
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does anyone know how extensively they check the phone at the store? My phone works perfectly except that for some reason I can't get any service on it. I've tried fixing and troubleshooting for a while but have given up so I'm looking to get back some money for it. So does anyone know if they will check the phone for reception?
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Yeah you should be fine.
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Yeah you should be fine.
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I removed the sim from mine and it was at the setup screen (touch the android) and that was it. It was only checked to be sure it would power on and nothing further.
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Thanks for the quick responses, I really appreciate it and am glad I'll be able to at least get something for it. Thanks again
Do i need to revert to stock to trade in?
What if I have CM10 running on my GS2? Honestly, they should give me more money for that (because it is more than functional)
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Do i need to revert to stock to trade in?
What if I have CM10 running on my GS2? Honestly, they should give me more money for that (because it is more than functional)
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I wouldn't think its necessary based on my experience this morning. They just checked to see if it lit up when turned on.
Does anyone know if they would accept a CDMA version of iPhone 4?? I have one sitting around collecting dust. Great condition.
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dray said:
Does anyone know if they would accept a CDMA version of iPhone 4?? I have one sitting around collecting dust. Great condition.
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They check the imei/serial number on them. You can check on the website and see if it will work.
https://tradein-program.att.com/home.php5#top
Meh...I got the 8T TMO variant. Just the phone. Great device otherwise. I'm just glad it fits in my 7t case.. Obviously cameras aren't aligned right, but it helps until my case gets here. I've got my permanent SIM unlock request being processed, should be done in 24 hours.
There was no case on the Unlocked version either, I had to do the same thing. Just a little irritating...
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Meh...I got the 8T TMO variant. Just the phone. Great device otherwise. I'm just glad it fits in my 7t case.. Obviously cameras aren't aligned right, but it helps until my case gets here. I've got my permanent SIM unlock request being processed, should be done in 24 hours.
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How are you able to get teh unlock request so quickly?
i was told i had to wait a period of time something like a buyers remorse period before they would consider unlocking for me
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There was no case on the Unlocked version either, I had to do the same thing. Just a little irritating...
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I mean as annoying as it was, they were the first company that I've ever gotten a case in the box from...I'll give them that at least ?*
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I mean as annoying as it was, they were the first company that I've ever gotten a case in the box from...I'll give them that at least ?*
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Truthfully? That's the only reason it bothers me.... I'm still rocking my 7T case on my 8T, thankfully I don't use the cameras very often.
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Meh...I got the 8T TMO variant. Just the phone. Great device otherwise. I'm just glad it fits in my 7t case.. Obviously cameras aren't aligned right, but it helps until my case gets here. I've got my permanent SIM unlock request being processed, should be done in 24 hours.
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if you find a thin case share the link please
T-mobile corp store has off brand case for $20
The back is fingerprint magnet
TPU+PC
No slip
I've been stalking Amazon for a case. I've even signed up for notifications on Oneplus's website.
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Yes, i am also going to use my 7T case if it fits.
Mine arived with a transparent one with a "Never Settle" label on it. Looks solid enough to protect the 8T until Spigen releases their stuff.
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Mine arived with a transparent one with a "Never Settle" label on it. Looks solid enough to protect the 8T until Spigen releases their stuff.
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US or somewhere else? I ordered mine from TMobile.
I got mine in the UK yesterday. It also came with the case and has never settle written on the back as well. I must admit, I like the case a lot.
Same here in germany. Got my phone yesterday with a transparent never settle case.
COME ON OnePlus....why is everyone else getting a case but we here in the US are not??? AAAUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! :crying:
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COME ON OnePlus....why is everyone else getting a case but we here in the US are not??? AAAUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! :crying:
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Its american capitalism at it's finest. Why give something away free when you can make them pay 50 dollars for a ****ty case at the store? ?*
Only in the US?
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Its american capitalism at it's finest. Why give something away free when you can make them pay 50 dollars for a ****ty case at the store? ?*
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Btw, reporting from India with the 12/256 Silver variant. I can confirm that the phone is shipped with the transparent jelly/softcover with Never Settle on it like members from other regions.
Got the clear case aswell. Norway
My EU 8T had a screen protector pre installed and a case in the box
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My EU 8T had a screen protector pre installed and a case in the box
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I guess that's what you get for living in sOciaLISt european /s countries and places that don't shake every last penny out of consumer pockets.
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I guess that's what you get for living in sOciaLISt european /s countries and places that don't shake every last penny out of consumer pockets.
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I mean that's not a bad thing for me is it