Hey guys was just wondering if its possible to edit the services.jar file or something similar like that on the droid charge to remove data throttling ? I have done this before on my droid incredible through CWM so I was just wondering if it's doable on the droid charge, much appreciation to any comments, theories, etc.
1+ here too, would be great!
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I forget the exact answer but I remember them saying it wasn't possible on this phone.
Can we confirm this?
Pretty sure this hack doesn't work for Verizon, just Tmobile. I read somewhere that Verizon throttle's data on their end(server-side), not through code on your phone.
I could be wrong, but this was tested thoroughly when I was using my OG Droid.
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Pretty sure this hack doesn't work for Verizon, just Tmobile. I read somewhere that Verizon throttle's data on their end(server-side), not through code on your phone.
I could be wrong, but this was tested thoroughly when I was using my OG Droid.
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It would almost have to be server side. Otherwise a data heavy user could just keep switching phones when one gets throttled. I've seen/heard of VZW doing some stupid stuff but I'm pretty sure they know anything done locally on a phone can be bypassed by hackers.
Wow, I didn't even know verizon had data throttling. I've used 11.367 gb this month. I'd be great if there was a work around to the throttling.
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Wow, I didn't even know verizon had data throttling. I've used 11.367 gb this month. I'd be great if there was a work around to the throttling.
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Seems like if you didn't even notice verizon was throttling you then its a non-issue and you have all the data speeds you needs.
-thejg
If the services.jar edit can be done (I haven't looked because it doesn't do anything), it won't do anything to prevent you from getting throttled. If you look at the history of the modification, it only ever worked on one carrier, and even now, I think the carrier the mod use to work for implemented a new solution, so it doesn't do anything for anyone. Verizon and other carriers are going to impose bandwidth throttling on the network back end, not on the phone, as it should be done. One, it is much easier to control this way, users can't by-pass it, and the network hardware is built and designed to do this task already, the phone isn't really setup to do this.
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OK wasn't sure if I wanted to post in an existing thread or ask this in a new one. Obviously I chose the latter. I'm gonna kind of play Devils Advocate here and wonder aloud: If the carriers are leaning on manufacturers to lock down their bootloader, kernels, etc... mainly because people are using the Hotspot and Tethering features without having to pay for it like everyone else.. IS there a good case for them?
I ask because I have never tethered or anything like that. (No need with a 22 Mbps cable internet connection) I wonder about this and kind of liken it to deciding whether to buy a CD (or pay for a digital download via Amazon or the like) or just to jump on a torrent site and download it for free. We can debate all day about the morality of something like that, but in the end, it is what it is. Theft. (To some degree) So is this what "free" tethering on rooted phones is like?
Since I have never tethered, I have an honest no-s*it question: Does using the tethering feature dig into one's data plan? Since the carriers are roundly getting rid of "unlimited" data, this brings up another issue. IF tethering, whether free on a rooted phone or legit on a stock phone, does use one's data, then I'd think the carriers' argument is a weak one. If a rooted user wants to tether and not pay for it, and before long hits that magic cap and is throttled down to a slow trickle, then hasn't this problem solved itself?
I just ask since I find the HTC issue pretty disturbing. I love the openess of the Android platform and would like to see that live on. I'm just trying to conceive why HTC (and other companies) OR the carriers themselves are so hostile to the rooting/dev community. Just looking for some input and a little edumacation on the tethering issue.
I don't really think it's much to do with tethering, as most carriers throttle down data speed after a certain amount of usage per month.
I think it's more about selling more phones. Pretty soon, phone hardware will reach sort of a plateau. I mean for now, if you want to run the latest OS and the latest software, you need a reasonably modern phone. In a year or two, your modern phone will be old news, but since it came with 2.1 Eclair and a bunch of bloatware and the Sense interface, all you'll have to do is root it, S-off, and flash a CM7 rom with A2SD and you'll have a practically brand new, whole different phone, capable of much better performance than before. The locked bootloader is an aim at preventing this trend from continuing into the future. They dont get rich by making the longest-lasting phones, they do so by selling the most phones year after year.
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Thats a good point. I was hearing it was the tethering issue that had the carriers up in arms. So I actually hear JUST now that HTC has decided to unlock the bootloaders!! I'm not 100% it's legit, but if it is, then I (along with EVERYONE else in this community) am a pretty friggin happy guy!!!
It is weak and just more gouging by the carriers! I teather all the time on an unlimited data plan, since I have no other connections at home....
As far as I am concerned it is NOT theft.. tethering is NOT a service, nothing new and not limited to any one brand of phone device. You pay for a data plan, are confined to the data caps of your plan "if any" and the speed of your phone regardless if the data comes up on your phones LCD or your laptop's.. period.
Not related. You can tether whether the bootloader is locked & encrypted or not. You don't even have to have root ie pdanet.
So from what I'm gathering, it DOES come out of your "data allotment". Well, I'd say any carrier complaining about this is full of it then. And I do realize tethering is possible on ANY capable device... just wondering about how the carriers charge extra for it. Which to me now, seem weird. Especially with the new limited "unlimited" plans. Like with our phones... we pay for it (monthly data plans), we should be able to use it however we damn well please.
I agree with the notion that rooting phones keeps them updated and alive longer meaning we don't need to buy phones so often unless we really want to.
Back in the day, after 2 years with one phone, we'd be killing for a new one, now, we can easily make our phones last that long.
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So from what I'm gathering, it DOES come out of your "data allotment". Well, I'd say any carrier complaining about this is full of it then. And I do realize tethering is possible on ANY capable device... just wondering about how the carriers charge extra for it. Which to me now, seem weird. Especially with the new limited "unlimited" plans. Like with our phones... we pay for it (monthly data plans), we should be able to use it however we damn well please.
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Bingo!!!!!!
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Thats a good point. I was hearing it was the tethering issue that had the carriers up in arms. So I actually hear JUST now that HTC has decided to unlock the bootloaders!! I'm not 100% it's legit, but if it is, then I (along with EVERYONE else in this community) am a pretty friggin happy guy!!!
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I agree 100%
So I'm looking at stealing my upgrade from my 2nd line ("house" phone), and I'm thinking of one of these two for it.
NOW then, I'm a root'er (obviously), currently loving MIUI on my Incredible but realizing that this may be a ways off for BOTH devices. That's fine. However, it's the 4G thing that has me puzzled.
I was told by a guy at Ye Old Best Buy that if I snag a Tbolt this month I can get "grandfathered" in to unlimited 4G from here on out. Obviously the Inc2 doesn't have 4G whatsoever, but my city's going to have the service rolled out within the month.
Battery life concerns me, and I've heard horror stories about it being even worse than my Incredible's, which is far from inspiring. I'm also one of those "newer = better, right?" kind of guys.
If the grandfathering notion isn't all it's cracked up to be, or if 4G isn't as critical as I'm thinking it might be, then I might just wait until next year to upgrade. If not, well, then I'll have to pull the trigger, right?
Thanks!
First, why are you listening to idiots at bestbuy? They're even bigger morons than the typical (read typical, not atypical) sales lackey at verizon stores. Personally, I rather not deal with either of them and just buy it online with verizon's website (unless waiting an extra 24 hours means that much to you).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1097276&highlight=grandfather
Also, there's plenty of discussions about LTE (4g) on the forum by people asking if it's worth it and were full of answers you would probably find useful, i think (use the search and search by post content, not title, it's pretty useless).
Eh, I was there and felt like chatting. The guy I was talking to was actually really astute. Was asking if I planned to root, what roms I liked, told me something about the thunderbolt's bootloader I didn't understand. I'll check out the links, thanks!
- Dinc + MIUI = bliss
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Tbolt this month I can get "grandfathered" in to unlimited 4G from here on out. Obviously the Inc2 doesn't have 4G whatsoever, but my city's going to have the service rolled out within the month.
Battery life concerns me, and I've heard horror stories about it being even worse than my Incredible's, which is far from inspiring. I'm also one of those "newer = better, right?" kind of guys.
If the grandfathering notion isn't all it's cracked up to be, or if 4G isn't as critical as I'm thinking
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Grandfathering is the way its always worked, along with once your one a specific plan as long you don't change it then you keep it forever (whatever that might be). I have the TB I find I turn my 4G off and just run on 3G all the time. I do use it for downloading stuff but not all the time, battery time about 5-6 hours. Rooted with other froyo roms at the 12 hour mark I have about 70% left with light to moderate use. With Gingerbread roms a bit less than that.
I guess (and its really anyone's until they spill the beans) the unlimited for what that is worth is going away and you will pay more for less data usage. I went with 4G and hope they keep the grandfathering for those of us that are already on it as I do use 4G at times and can use up to 10 gigs, but its rare. I like knowing its there if want to use it.
I would think 4G and more is where its all going at this point, certainly not the other way.
Forgot to mention the Inc2 has a locked bootloader and all signed radios that as far as I know, has not been unlocked through third party means yet, so that means no custom anything for now. HTC says they will unlock phones, but who knows how long that will take and if they mean only new phones or that includes older ones.
I would go look at the ghost town that is the Inc2 development forums on xda though to see if anything has changed.
why dont you just try it out and return it if its not for you. 14days ftw
Hmmmm. Sounds like I might do that.
I do a small amount of tethering with my Incredible, such as at work right now because we don't have wireless access, so I'd imagine that being able to root a Tbolt and tether with 4G would just be plain excellent.
Guess I'll chat with a Verizon rep and get the skinny on things.
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Hmmmm. Sounds like I might do that.
I do a small amount of tethering with my Incredible, such as at work right now because we don't have wireless access, so I'd imagine that being able to root a Tbolt and tether with 4G would just be plain excellent.
Guess I'll chat with a Verizon rep and get the skinny on things.
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I just had to send my Thunderbolt in for about two weeks and in that time I was using my DInc. while the DInc is still nice phone, boy did I miss the speed of 4G and my Thunderbolt.
I have a TB & I admit I'm a little biased, but I'm in a 4G area & I'll never go back to a 3G-only phone. My gf has a iPhone 4 & browsing the 'net is noticeably slower on it. 4G is like having a constant wifi connection & the speed is addicting. The TBs battery isn't its best selling point, but there are ways to make it last longer, esp if you flash a custom kernel. I'm not that familiar with the Inc2, so I can't say what its pros/cons are. It has a locked bootloader, so that could be an issue down the road
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The Inc 2 is not an upgrade from the original. If I'm not mistaken the dinc2 and tbolt have the same processor and RAM, but it comes down to the screen size, data capability, unlocked bootloader, etc. Coming from the original incredible as well, I would have sorely missed the rate of development with anything on Verizon but the bolt. This community is strong.
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From what I've heard, this is basically the new EVO, so once it gets all cracked open our community is gonna be roughly as deep and active as that, yes? If so, I'm sole 100%.
A coworker and I were comparing download speeds yesterday and noticed that our speeds initially launch high but then instantly drop down to lower speeds.
He did some research and found that the Incredible and Incredible 2 have a hack that modifies a .jar file on the phone removing the "data throttle." He installed it and instantly doubled his speeds in our side by side tests.
I have read threads going both ways on the "Verizon throttles" debate, but would rather have the possible throttle removed vs believing Verizon and leaving it alone. It can't hurt anything to run it... so why not!
Previously I had a Fascinate and did not see such a hack either. Does such a Mod exist for the Charge or any Samsung phones?
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A coworker and I were comparing download speeds yesterday and noticed that our speeds initially launch high but then instantly drop down to lower speeds.
He did some research and found that the Incredible and Incredible 2 have a hack that modifies a .jar file on the phone removing the "data throttle." He installed it and instantly doubled his speeds in our side by side tests.
I have read threads going both ways on the "Verizon throttles" debate, but would rather have the possible throttle removed vs believing Verizon and leaving it alone. It can't hurt anything to run it... so why not!
Previously I had a Fascinate and did not see such a hack either. Does such a Mod exist for the Charge or any Samsung phones?
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To my understanding, ROMs that are pushed out by Verizon to HTC phones have that data throttling script. When I was on Fascinate, I did look into that, but Fascinate rom didn't have that script, hence no data throttling mod needed. Not sure about Charge though.
Be interesting to see if this is an option. I also noticed the bandwidth throttling.
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To my understanding, ROMs that are pushed out by Verizon to HTC phones have that data throttling script. When I was on Fascinate, I did look into that, but Fascinate rom didn't have that script, hence no data throttling mod needed. Not sure about Charge though.
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If I remember right the devs removed the data throttle or put in script to disable it way back in the superclean roms. I think sbrissen was responsible for coming up with the fix, but I may be mistaken.
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So I got my letter from ATT the other day saying that they have detected tethering software on my phone and that if I dont remove it by 12/31/12 they will automatically bump me up to the 5GB tethering plan for $50/mo
Whats the best way to resolve this and still be able to run custom roms? Ideally I would still like to be able to tether for free (obviously) but at the very least just be able to not pay the $50/mo and still run custom roms.
I spoke with a customer service rep and told her I had no idea how to tether and asked if they could just put a block on it or something, and she said no, the software has been detected and it has to be removed.
Maybe I should call back and ask for supervisor?
Alternatively she said if I go into the att store and they can look at my phone and see that there is no tethering software, they can make a notation on my account.
So I suppose I could unroot, go into att store, have them note the account, and then root again.... that would probly be my last resort.
Thanks in advance for any help!
No, you do understand the second you tether they can detect it right? They also aren't idiots and can tell if you're running a custom ROM as well
I've heard about Verizon reps commenting about custom ROMs before
So you flashing back to stock and showing them there's nothing on the phone does nothing.
If you don't want to be charged then stop
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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They wouldn't make a notation on the account because tethering is possible with the stock software, there's quite a few apps on the market that allow this. So you could just uninstall it.
You didn't get the letter because of the custom ROM, you got it because you violated your contract by tethering. It may have taken them some time to send out the letter.
They have detected it so they will be watching for future violations
So my suggestion stays the same, stop tethering or pay for it
Pretty simple
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What Phil said although you may not agree with att's rules on tethering...its in the contact and you signed to it so you will get taken off your plan and to the 5gb plan if you continue
Gotcha, thanks for the input guys.
I am fairly new to ATT (came from Sprint)
Does this apply to wired tethering as well? Does someone using wired tether (such as pdanet) still have to pay, or is that free?
The way I think they catch people is # of hops it does to terminate data and packet sniffers so I'd just stay away even though pda may be a bit safer will LTE around theyre hunkering up
For the sake of mentioning this--its a topic which has been raked over in every phone forum, Android, Apple etc nd tablets too.
Doing a general and specific search on the Net seems to point to mostly theory. When I owned my previous iPhones and jailbroke, I used MyWi. However, the devs made it clear you could be caught.
That notion aside-many of us and this includes me, believe it comes down to being abusive with the tethering. Of course many would disagree but if you cared to specifically search iPhone sites and focused mostly on AT&T, it somewhat became clear they knew we were tethering since algorithms change when tethering. In conjunction, we also surmised they went after people who had unlimited data plans and really used the heck out of it.
I personally have tethered many times and many people I know too but we didn't use it too long. I've never gotten a notice from ATT but it doesn't mean they aren't watching. Not be be a jerk but your op is a topic I've seen literally hundreds of times. Everyone claims the same thing but no one seems to admit they abuse it. They noticed you for a reason is what it comes down to. I should also mention I've tethered my HOX as well.
In my personal opinion I believe we should be able to get a free amount of gigabytes to tether. Once over it, then you get charged. This is just a real touchy subject.
These are just my opinions.
Jon
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I tethered without a tethering plan for years, first on my jailbroken iPhone and then on my HOX until I switched to the Mobile Share plans that include tethering. I never got caught, but I was also very careful not to abuse it by, for example, streaming video, moving large files, or doing things that a phone would never do untethered like updating my laptop's software.
I am convinced, from watching this issue over the years, that AT&T does two things: They mainly go after the data hogs, flagging people for tethering detection when they get close to or over their data caps; they also run spot checks on random accounts. Detecting tethering, should you get their attention, is dead simple, by the way. There are any number of ways to confirm it.
Once you're on their radar screen, the jig is up. Your only choices are to stop tethering or get a tethering plan.
I just wondered if anyone had the Verizon version, what it was like? Did they overdue it with bkoatware and has anyone tried to root it yet?
I do. No root.
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I just wondered if anyone had the Verizon version, what it was like? Did they overdue it with bkoatware and has anyone tried to root it yet?
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It's pretty much the same bloatware as any Verizon released Samsung device. There is no root yet.
No root same Bloat as all vzw and Samsung device except now Facebook is not able to be uninistalled it's a system app now
OK thanks for the info. Is anyone having any issues with it? I was trying to wait for the nexus 6 but I got a glimpse of the edge and it really got my attention so I'm going to verizon tomorrow to get one if its in stock.
If you're wanting something to root I would honestly steer you towards the Nexus. It doesn't look like a root for our version will be coming out anytime soon, if at all. I love it like it is for sure though and it is a tough battle if you just want a solid phone.
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OK thanks for the info. Is anyone having any issues with it? I was trying to wait for the nexus 6 but I got a glimpse of the edge and it really got my attention so I'm going to verizon tomorrow to get one if its in stock.
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I got the phone at launch and haven't had any issues with it so far. I had a nexus 6 that I purchased from T-Mobile and was using it on Verizon for a while. I returned it within the return window. Battery life was horrendous, random app crashes, it took a couple of minutes to pick up signal, no multitasking, and no simultaneous voice and data. I'm sure the simultaneous voice and data will be on the Verizon edition since they can push Advanced Calling 1.0 to it. I'm in no way trying to say that you should get the Edge over the Nexus. Just sharing my experience with both phones.
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I got the phone at launch and haven't had any issues with it so far. I had a nexus 6 that I purchased from T-Mobile and was using it on Verizon for a while. I returned it within the return window. Battery life was horrendous, random app crashes, it took a couple of minutes to pick up signal, no multitasking, and no simultaneous voice and data. I'm sure the simultaneous voice and data will be on the Verizon edition since they can push Advanced Calling 1.0 to it. I'm in no way trying to say that you should get the Edge over the Nexus. Just sharing my experience with both phones.
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yes, advanced calling does have simultaneous voice/data with advanced calling built in. sucky thing is that if you don't elect for the advanced calling 1.0, you can't use the simultaneous voice/data, despite having that feature on the note 4. i've been through hell recently because advanced calling doesn't work with verizon's caller id app, but in order to have simultaneous voice/data, you HAVE to have the advanced/HD calling. went round and round with tech support about this for an entire day, only to have to factory reset and i'm still in the process of getting things backed up/restored AGAIN. barely had the phone for 4 days, at one point i couldn't even dial out because so many people had messed with my account and reset network settings... but anyways. lesson learned-- the HD calling is free. take advantage of it, and utilize a third party caller id app. (recommendations welcome, btw)
Don't forget the Dev edition is coming as well, if you're buying off contract.
Thanks for the info. I just got it yesterday and so far I'm loving it. I love the multiwindows. It's much better since my S3. I'm sure root will come along sometime. I'd really like to have the mod for using the earpiece as an extra speaker
I picked mine up yesterday on edge.. Ended up adding another line and doing a SIM card swap in order to keep my unlimited data. Now I have an extra phone lol with one gigabyte of data on it. Basically sharing that with my tablet as well which stays coupled to me on my wifi tether. So far I am really liking it and do not seem to need to root. Being I am on an older unlimited plan the tether of course was wanting me to pay but there is an app for that lol wifi tether working strong. As of now no need for root but would always love the option hopefully someone will come along and take this device under their wing. I am having an issue with the CNN side ticker not updating itself just showing it as loading. Everything else seems to be working rock solid and I'm loving the camera. Definitely a different phone if you're looking for something different. I was tired of the same old same old was going to get a g3 but that is basically like my s3 with better specs of course but I opted to stay with Samsung. Brighter screen and I actually kind of like some of the TouchWiz options. Does not seem to be bogged down to bed with bloatware as this thing has three gigs of ram and a super fast processor seems to sale right on through everything. Now we just need someone to start some topics under the Verizon edge section.
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Picked mine up the day they released it. The sales guy told me I was the first (and only one) to pick it up all day - which was a real shame, IMO.
I love this thing. This is my first venture into the phablet world and am enjoying it.
Just waiting for root....
I'm not trying to be a downer but as it seems nobody is working on note 4 vzw root as I have one of thoes as well I don't think we will get it anytime soon if ever would love it but no exploits have been found to bypass bootloader to achieve root
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I'm not trying to be a downer but as it seems nobody is working on note 4 vzw root as I have one of thoes as well I don't think we will get it anytime soon if ever would love it but no exploits have been found to bypass bootloader to achieve root
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I'm happy with it the way it is now but I know within a year I'll wanna root and try out different Roma if we get to that point. I'm also awfully tempted to buy the gear S
jolly_roger_hook said:
I'm not trying to be a downer but as it seems nobody is working on note 4 vzw root as I have one of thoes as well I don't think we will get it anytime soon if ever would love it but no exploits have been found to bypass bootloader to achieve root
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Check the AT&T Samsung Note 4 forums. There seems to be multiple people working on it. Also, just because developers are not posting in the forums, it does not mean that nobody is working on it.
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Check the AT&T Samsung Note 4 forums. There seems to be multiple people working on it. Also, just because developers are not posting in the forums, it does not mean that nobody is working on it.
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I said it seems not that nobody is