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So I'm looking at stealing my upgrade from my 2nd line ("house" phone), and I'm thinking of one of these two for it.
NOW then, I'm a root'er (obviously), currently loving MIUI on my Incredible but realizing that this may be a ways off for BOTH devices. That's fine. However, it's the 4G thing that has me puzzled.
I was told by a guy at Ye Old Best Buy that if I snag a Tbolt this month I can get "grandfathered" in to unlimited 4G from here on out. Obviously the Inc2 doesn't have 4G whatsoever, but my city's going to have the service rolled out within the month.
Battery life concerns me, and I've heard horror stories about it being even worse than my Incredible's, which is far from inspiring. I'm also one of those "newer = better, right?" kind of guys.
If the grandfathering notion isn't all it's cracked up to be, or if 4G isn't as critical as I'm thinking it might be, then I might just wait until next year to upgrade. If not, well, then I'll have to pull the trigger, right?
Thanks!
First, why are you listening to idiots at bestbuy? They're even bigger morons than the typical (read typical, not atypical) sales lackey at verizon stores. Personally, I rather not deal with either of them and just buy it online with verizon's website (unless waiting an extra 24 hours means that much to you).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1097276&highlight=grandfather
Also, there's plenty of discussions about LTE (4g) on the forum by people asking if it's worth it and were full of answers you would probably find useful, i think (use the search and search by post content, not title, it's pretty useless).
Eh, I was there and felt like chatting. The guy I was talking to was actually really astute. Was asking if I planned to root, what roms I liked, told me something about the thunderbolt's bootloader I didn't understand. I'll check out the links, thanks!
- Dinc + MIUI = bliss
SomeGuyDude said:
Tbolt this month I can get "grandfathered" in to unlimited 4G from here on out. Obviously the Inc2 doesn't have 4G whatsoever, but my city's going to have the service rolled out within the month.
Battery life concerns me, and I've heard horror stories about it being even worse than my Incredible's, which is far from inspiring. I'm also one of those "newer = better, right?" kind of guys.
If the grandfathering notion isn't all it's cracked up to be, or if 4G isn't as critical as I'm thinking
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Grandfathering is the way its always worked, along with once your one a specific plan as long you don't change it then you keep it forever (whatever that might be). I have the TB I find I turn my 4G off and just run on 3G all the time. I do use it for downloading stuff but not all the time, battery time about 5-6 hours. Rooted with other froyo roms at the 12 hour mark I have about 70% left with light to moderate use. With Gingerbread roms a bit less than that.
I guess (and its really anyone's until they spill the beans) the unlimited for what that is worth is going away and you will pay more for less data usage. I went with 4G and hope they keep the grandfathering for those of us that are already on it as I do use 4G at times and can use up to 10 gigs, but its rare. I like knowing its there if want to use it.
I would think 4G and more is where its all going at this point, certainly not the other way.
Forgot to mention the Inc2 has a locked bootloader and all signed radios that as far as I know, has not been unlocked through third party means yet, so that means no custom anything for now. HTC says they will unlock phones, but who knows how long that will take and if they mean only new phones or that includes older ones.
I would go look at the ghost town that is the Inc2 development forums on xda though to see if anything has changed.
why dont you just try it out and return it if its not for you. 14days ftw
Hmmmm. Sounds like I might do that.
I do a small amount of tethering with my Incredible, such as at work right now because we don't have wireless access, so I'd imagine that being able to root a Tbolt and tether with 4G would just be plain excellent.
Guess I'll chat with a Verizon rep and get the skinny on things.
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Hmmmm. Sounds like I might do that.
I do a small amount of tethering with my Incredible, such as at work right now because we don't have wireless access, so I'd imagine that being able to root a Tbolt and tether with 4G would just be plain excellent.
Guess I'll chat with a Verizon rep and get the skinny on things.
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I just had to send my Thunderbolt in for about two weeks and in that time I was using my DInc. while the DInc is still nice phone, boy did I miss the speed of 4G and my Thunderbolt.
I have a TB & I admit I'm a little biased, but I'm in a 4G area & I'll never go back to a 3G-only phone. My gf has a iPhone 4 & browsing the 'net is noticeably slower on it. 4G is like having a constant wifi connection & the speed is addicting. The TBs battery isn't its best selling point, but there are ways to make it last longer, esp if you flash a custom kernel. I'm not that familiar with the Inc2, so I can't say what its pros/cons are. It has a locked bootloader, so that could be an issue down the road
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The Inc 2 is not an upgrade from the original. If I'm not mistaken the dinc2 and tbolt have the same processor and RAM, but it comes down to the screen size, data capability, unlocked bootloader, etc. Coming from the original incredible as well, I would have sorely missed the rate of development with anything on Verizon but the bolt. This community is strong.
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From what I've heard, this is basically the new EVO, so once it gets all cracked open our community is gonna be roughly as deep and active as that, yes? If so, I'm sole 100%.
Hey guys was just wondering if its possible to edit the services.jar file or something similar like that on the droid charge to remove data throttling ? I have done this before on my droid incredible through CWM so I was just wondering if it's doable on the droid charge, much appreciation to any comments, theories, etc.
1+ here too, would be great!
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I forget the exact answer but I remember them saying it wasn't possible on this phone.
Can we confirm this?
Pretty sure this hack doesn't work for Verizon, just Tmobile. I read somewhere that Verizon throttle's data on their end(server-side), not through code on your phone.
I could be wrong, but this was tested thoroughly when I was using my OG Droid.
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Pretty sure this hack doesn't work for Verizon, just Tmobile. I read somewhere that Verizon throttle's data on their end(server-side), not through code on your phone.
I could be wrong, but this was tested thoroughly when I was using my OG Droid.
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It would almost have to be server side. Otherwise a data heavy user could just keep switching phones when one gets throttled. I've seen/heard of VZW doing some stupid stuff but I'm pretty sure they know anything done locally on a phone can be bypassed by hackers.
Wow, I didn't even know verizon had data throttling. I've used 11.367 gb this month. I'd be great if there was a work around to the throttling.
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Wow, I didn't even know verizon had data throttling. I've used 11.367 gb this month. I'd be great if there was a work around to the throttling.
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Seems like if you didn't even notice verizon was throttling you then its a non-issue and you have all the data speeds you needs.
-thejg
If the services.jar edit can be done (I haven't looked because it doesn't do anything), it won't do anything to prevent you from getting throttled. If you look at the history of the modification, it only ever worked on one carrier, and even now, I think the carrier the mod use to work for implemented a new solution, so it doesn't do anything for anyone. Verizon and other carriers are going to impose bandwidth throttling on the network back end, not on the phone, as it should be done. One, it is much easier to control this way, users can't by-pass it, and the network hardware is built and designed to do this task already, the phone isn't really setup to do this.
Just got the "skyrocket" with AT&T absolutely impressed with the download speed in northern jersey more than7mbs. is that because the LTE is up here without an official announcement. I use to get nothing more than 1-2 mbs.
Now my main question is (are):
Can I tether for free without rooting?
Can I do that wirelessly?
Also would want to just using usb cable for one pc and pdaNet software so wifi signal would not show on my pc, is that possible?
Thank you.
You can share your phone's internet connection with your PC or laptop, yes. But to properly do so, you have to root it. You can use Super One Click to do that. Once rooted, you can download tethering apps from the Market...
Thank you BKALAAS
My main concern was HOW would I go about to do the tethering without rooting?
If I have to root, shouldn't be a specific program for the skyrocket or just use Superclick as you suggested.
Thanks again
What kind of phone do you have? HTC phones support this by default with the WIFI router tool and there is an tethering option by default to. This option is, as mentioned by bklaas2, available through the standard internet sharing option in android when you connect your usb cable. But please tell us which phone you have and more importantly, which OS
Hi, I have the just the just released today Samsung galaxy skyroket.
I am looking to tether data from AT&T wireless provider to my pc. preferably without unlocking with and without cable.
I the phone has gingerbread 2 3 5, kernel version 2.6.35.11
Thank you
dell4320 said:
Just got the "skyrocket" with AT&T absolutely impressed with the download speed in northern jersey more than7mbs. is that because the LTE is up here without an official announcement. I use to get nothing more than 1-2 mbs.
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did the icon said "4G LTE"?
can you do another speedtest?
if it' 7mb again, i getting this phone too!
i'm in San Francisco bayarea, no LTE.
I suggest to root with superclick. And then install a tethering app
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Thank you,
I will wait till someone could figure out a way for tethering without rooting the phone, thank you, The thank you btton on your profile not working.
Also for the person asking abot the LTE, it only shows 4g, no LTE, getting a speed from 3 to 8 mega bit per second which is something I was not getting on the other phones.
Go ahead and root it, you can always go back. Ultimately all your doing is unlocking phone to have it do what you want. You'll have access to more apps and utilities on the market.
The only way I know to do what you're asking is with PDAnet. They charge a 1 time fee, and it works pretty well.
netnerd said:
did the icon said "4G LTE"?
can you do another speedtest?
if it' 7mb again, i getting this phone too!
i'm in San Francisco bayarea, no LTE.
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I also get these speeds on just 3g in washington.
The current 3g networks are capable of these speeds. LTE would be much faster, I would hope anyway
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Radio: 26.13.04.19
Rom: Bindroid RHD 2.3.5 v2.1
app for checking ril. RILInfos_1.1.apk
You will have to root
ATT charges extra for both unltd. data and tethering for general retail. (I have a corp. discounted account, and somehow still have unltd data, but I had that since before the change - I threatened to leave with the other 2 lines if they didnt I couldnt keep it - I dont have tethering since that was a feature that came later.)
At first tethering was free if you could do it. That was true even in the time of flip phones. With the right cable, and understanding of how the devices worked with each other, could do anything from upload media to (with the right drivers) set up a dial up connection in XP using the phone as the modem. GPRS was not fast, it was only practical in limited applications. 3G in general changed that. Once the average user was able to do their variety of average things, which really does use a lot of bandwidth, not like heavy torrent user, but still, enough if they use it often, carriers started making the software to support charging for the ability. The problem is that each phone has to do it differently since they dont have easy ways to delineate; carriers arent allowed to look at the data to truly know what it came from, even based on protocol alone, you cant tell anymore. So now they are slowly working out ways to lock down their devices, which come from too many manufacturers. Some of whom just dont get it. Really. (*cough* HTC)
I have been using the Samsung Captivate for a little over a year, which in itself is a small miracle, I mean, a YEAR, actually 14 months!
The reason why is that the hardware is great. This is the unbrickable phone! And I don't mean through handy gadgets, or ripping the phone apart and doing microsurgery, I mean no matter what stupid thing you do playing with roms, including pulling the USB cable out mid-process, the core BIOS is still fine 99% of the time. Whats more, is that when the phone first came out the tethering was totally open, and ANY user could just use KIES to get online. Soon after that a firmware update for the phone included the pieces necessary to charge to tether. Then I started trying the different ROMS, or was it before? I use Serendipity 6.3 because it seems to be the only thing that works reliably, and doesnt look like crap. Which is really a shame! But it is the lightweight ROM with root access, and innate tethering, and honestly, I never wanted anything else but some angry birds. Ok so the google platform, and my exchange account had to all work too. Serendipity it was, and no, could never seem to get 7 working well.
The thing is, I dont like having even to use another app to tether, which is a bit ideological. I basically refuse to pay more to use the phone when its connected to my computer. I dont want to compromise in any way on this, and using an application that is not the phone's OS uses other resources when it otherwise would not (RAM + CPU = battery use = ). And because ehh, Samsung/Att bloatware isnt that cool, custom boot ROMS are. Although no gf ever thought it was that cool waiting for me to get one of them on... Well I would be annoyed if that was a compromise, but who would want to go look at leaves anyway? #Winning!
Seriously though, to me it comes down to its has to be simple, and I dont want to charge my phone 8 times a day for simple! Have you guys seen the size of this screen! Thats not even practical. Id hate to walk around with that in my pants. But since I am due for an upgrade, Im just going to wait until the thanksgiving sales to see if anything else comes out (which I doubt). Looking at the Skyrocket, it's a beast. For one thing this phone has "4G speeds delivered by HSPA+ (with enhanced backhaul)" which means it can go REALLY REALLY fast like 1-2mb/s not mbps, Mb down. Thats like little fios in my pocket! and theres a 1850 mAh battery stock (better if your going to make me carry around a small table top!) which there really is no way around with a 1.5ghz dual core, 1gb or RAM and a WVGA screen.
Personally I really liked the concept of smaller handset with a tablet/netbook to dock in, but apparently I was alone there. And HTC just doesnt make nice devices, sorry, but Samsung is just a much larger company, and it seems the better motorola phones are still coming out for V so for Att, Samsung it is.. At least they're easy to root.
Is there a way to "Hack" the throttling service on roms? I Noticed my service has gone to crap lately.
I did some digging around and found out about this "thottle.src" (or something) that is running on my phone. It links to a sort of settings file in /data/system/throttle.
I've played with removing and deleting this sort of "throttling key" file and have realized it is honestly limiting my down speed (upload is not effected in my tests).
If I delete it and do a speed test real quick, I can get around 3.5mbps before this service re-downloads this file.
After this file appears again, I'm limited to 0.3mbps... Upload however is never effected and is a solid 1.5mbps.
It seems there is a lot of back and forth with this on the forums/net. Some people say its not possible for carriers to limit data speeds via the client handset. Others are just as curious as I am, or have seen the throttling themselves as I have.
With everything this community is about... I would have for sure thought this would have caused a explosion by now?
So Do we understand this service in its entirety yet? Can we get rid of it? Is it something that can be baked into roms?
I personally want this throttling sh-tuff to pound sand.
I found this method to getting rid of the throttling mess:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...riers-data-throttling-on-your-android-device/
Looks as though there are theme issues, and wireless network settings no longer work afterwards...
This is over a year ago?! And the community hasn't beat this to the ground yet?
Well I was successful in removing the throttling service from my cm7 181 nightly...
AND WHAT DO YA KNOW!?!
I'm getting my old speed again... ~2-3mbps down and that constant 1.5mbps up.
So its not a myth,
No I didn't have a Icon in my status bar informing me that i was being throttled,
Yes it would continually re-download some strange key file.
and now, with nothing else changed but removing the throttling service... I'm back up to speed.
Just an FYI if anyone in the future end up in the boat I just climbed out of...
Hey guys and gals, Please advise.
I've been a Sprint customer for 2 years my contract is up. Had an HTC hero which was an amazing phone considering it's age.
I bought 2 VM phones; the optimus V for the wife, and the Motorola Triumph for me. Owneed them both for 12 hours and I'm a bit concerned.
I've rooted them both and removed some bloat. I looked online and see nothing but praise for the optimus V and the MT looks like a lemon based on reviews! I noticed some lag on the touchscreen (I tried to ignore it but the killer is the GPS, the optimus found location in 5 seconds, and the MT was still searching after 5 minutes.
Should I return this thing? Is it a software problem or hardware? Will a custom ROM help?
Please tell me if i should exchange it for the optimus.
Had the same feeling back in August when I purchased the phone. Do yourself a favor and install CM7. You will notice an insane difference; it’s more like owning an entirely different phone. That thing they call an operating system that’s installed out of the box is an insult to both the user and the phones hardware which is actually very good. It took me a few weeks to get the guts to install the Rom but it came to either that or throw the thing in the Delaware. Now a days you could not rip the device from my cold dead hands. I use the TG reloaded build and if you’re not familiar with Roms CM7 is for the most part the closest thing you can get to striate up Google's Gingerbread with a few tweaks and no Virgin Bloatware. Anyhow with the correct software the Triumph is a beast and runs circles around some of my friends higher end phones using their stock Roms. Also, the processor used on the Triumph is used in other devices as a 1.4g processors, including a few tablets so don’t be afraid to crank it up a notch or two. Also the TG Reloaded edition uses a 64 MHz minimum frequency when idle compared to the 246 MHz minimum used in the stock Rom, literally doubles the battery life.
Yes, give the CM7 TG-Reloaded ROM a try. The Motorola Triumph is based on Huawei Ideos X6 reference design, which is sold as different variants world-wide. The hardware is very capable, but either the Motorola people or those responsible for getting it to work on VM were very sloppy, so all the bugs in stock ROM. Most have been addressed in CM7, but still some remain.
As for the better battery life, the 61 mhz low freq helps only a little, other factors include less junk running in the background, battery-optimized interactive governor, and wakelock bugs in the stock kernel that prevent phone from entering deep sleep mode (common, but hard to track problem on a lot of Android phones).
I love my MT running miui [email protected] there's a agps fix somewhere on this site. I personal don't have any issues with this phone
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Thanks for the replies.
I agree that CM7 makes this phone waaaayyy smoother than stock. I still get an occasional lag on the touchscreen and the 4 "buttons" on the bottom are sometimes unresponsive; but this thing is awesome. The only reason the Optimus V is more popular is because it's cheaper. The MT is sexy :^)
The thing I miss from my HTC Hero was the ease of wireless tethering. I didn't really use it much, but it was nice to know I could run any piece of hardware without any mods.
Does the CM7 TG reloaded ROM have an OC kernel built in or do I need to flash one?
Bruce777 said:
Thanks for the replies.
I agree that CM7 makes this phone waaaayyy smoother than stock. I still get an occasional lag on the touchscreen and the 4 "buttons" on the bottom are sometimes unresponsive; but this thing is awesome. The only reason the Optimus V is more popular is because it's cheaper. The MT is sexy :^)
The thing I miss from my HTC Hero was the ease of wireless tethering. I didn't really use it much, but it was nice to know I could run any piece of hardware without any mods.
Does the CM7 TG reloaded ROM have an OC kernel built in or do I need to flash one?
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I may be close to fixing the touchscreen issue, it bugs me too. CM7 allows built-in wireless tethering, and you can add it to be a quick toggle in the notification bar, along with other options. OC kernel is built-in, check out the first post on the ROM thread to read up about all the features.
Whyzor said:
I may be close to fixing the touchscreen issue, it bugs me too. CM7 allows built-in wireless tethering, and you can add it to be a quick toggle in the notification bar, along with other options. OC kernel is built-in, check out the first post on the ROM thread to read up about all the features.
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Needless to say I NO longer have buyers remorse!
Yes, I saw the wireless tethering options...I tried multiple time to initialize it, but my laptop would not connect. Any threads you could send me to? (yes I did look in the ROM thread :^)
thanks
Bruce777 said:
Needless to say I NO longer have buyers remorse!
Yes, I saw the wireless tethering options...I tried multiple time to initialize it, but my laptop would not connect. Any threads you could send me to? (yes I did look in the ROM thread :^)
thanks
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The first few times I tried to connect it may take a long time for the client (PC) to recognize and go through to the internet, give it a few minutes & try to refresh a webpage. It works for me & others.
Bruce777 said:
Needless to say I NO longer have buyers remorse!
Yes, I saw the wireless tethering options...I tried multiple time to initialize it, but my laptop would not connect. Any threads you could send me to? (yes I did look in the ROM thread :^)
thanks
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Wireless tethering worked fine for me when I tested it (only tried it to make sure it worked). I didn't have to do anything special to make it work.
Whyzor said:
The first few times I tried to connect it may take a long time for the client (PC) to recognize and go through to the internet, give it a few minutes & try to refresh a webpage. It works for me & others.
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I was really excited when you said the CM7 native wifi tether worked...but I couldn't get it to
I even factory reset and wiped everything to make sure it was a fresh attempt. Still nothing. Both my PC and Hp touchpad can find the signal but neither connect/keep the connection. After attempting the connection (and saying it's connected for around 3 seconds) the touchpad will no longer reads the wifi signal.
Any threads on this for me to research? I looked to no avail.
Bruce777 said:
I was really excited when you said the CM7 native wifi tether worked...but I couldn't get it to
I even factory reset and wiped everything to make sure it was a fresh attempt. Still nothing. Both my PC and Hp touchpad can find the signal but neither connect/keep the connection. After attempting the connection (and saying it's connected for around 3 seconds) the touchpad will no longer reads the wifi signal.
Any threads on this for me to research? I looked to no avail.
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Nevermind, I just tried wireless tether for root users, after about 10 attempts with the native app, and it works! Better to be lucky than good.
Now...has anyone had any luck getting Sprint visual voicemail to work on this thing? :^) Mine half works , I can compose messages to myself but any calls wont actually work.
thanks again for the replies people. We SHOULDN'T be in 'low activity" section
Bruce777 said:
Nevermind, I just tried wireless tether for root users, after about 10 attempts with the native app, and it works! Better to be lucky than good.
Now...has anyone had any luck getting Sprint visual voicemail to work on this thing? :^) Mine half works , I can compose messages to myself but any calls wont actually work.
thanks again for the replies people. We SHOULDN'T be in 'low activity" section
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VM doesn't support 3rd party Voicemails so getting a visual one may not work... You can ask VM about it and see if they can let you but it may just be a network thing with them...
And the MT is in a low activity section because no one is here there all at android forums...
Triumph has a few hardware issues that won't go away, like GPS and touch response puking randomly.
Also while CM7 does bring extra functionality, it is less stable than stock.
Optimus V is basically the only solid prepaid phone on VM.
Hopefully Sprint learned their lesson to not rebrand POS phones and instead, use existing phones that have proven themselves. We will likely see much better phones by end of 2012 based on what was said at CES '12, so just hang tight.
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Triumph has a few hardware issues that won't go away, like GPS and touch response puking randomly.
Also while CM7 does bring extra functionality, it is less stable than stock.
Optimus V is basically the only solid prepaid phone on VM.
Hopefully Sprint learned their lesson to not rebrand POS phones and instead, use existing phones that have proven themselves. We will likely see much better phones by end of 2012 based on what was said at CES '12, so just hang tight.
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Yea... by the end of 2012, well its the beginning right now and if they don't start getting newer phones, I may have to switch to another company... I heard Straight Talk is getting the LG Optimus 2X so that may be incentive enough for me. VM needs to get a dual core and not just keep bringing in more and more phones that have 600mhz or 800mhz processors with 3 inch screens...
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Yea... by the end of 2012, well its the beginning right now and if they don't start getting newer phones, I may have to switch to another company... I heard Straight Talk is getting the LG Optimus 2X so that may be incentive enough for me. VM needs to get a dual core and not just keep bringing in more and more phones that have 600mhz or 800mhz processors with 3 inch screens...
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Yeah that phone looks really promising, but ST is expensive - paying $25 on VM vs $45 for ST, unless you need the higher end plan on VM anyway.
If you're willing to go high end, you can grab a Nexus/GS2 and use it on tmobile's prepaid instead, it's what I'm doing current with TMO's $30/mo plan.
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Yeah that phone looks really promising, but ST is expensive - paying $25 on VM vs $45 for ST, unless you need the higher end plan on VM anyway.
If you're willing to go high end, you can grab a Nexus/GS2 and use it on tmobile's prepaid instead, it's what I'm doing current with TMO's $30/mo plan.
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So with TMO's prepaid you can use any TMO phone then?
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So with TMO's prepaid you can use any TMO phone then?
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That's what I've heard. If you buy a used/unlocked TMO phone, you can get the TMO activation kit for something like $7 ( it's just a SIM ) and put it in your phone and your good.
This is what I'm thinking about doing myself. I get ok coverage with VM on my LGOV, but not great.
My wife has a TMO Exhibit2-4g and it's a great phone and the service is good as well. She's on the $50/month plan, I'll opt for the $30 I think.
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That's what I've heard. If you buy a used/unlocked TMO phone, you can get the TMO activation kit for something like $7 ( it's just a SIM ) and put it in your phone and your good.
This is what I'm thinking about doing myself. I get ok coverage with VM on my LGOV, but not great.
My wife has a TMO Exhibit2-4g and it's a great phone and the service is good as well. She's on the $50/month plan, I'll opt for the $30 I think.
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Yea I did some looking and youbcan use any t-mo phone. I'm thinking Akita switching over too. $30 for 5gb of 4g and unlimited texting is good deal. I don't even talk on the phone for minutes to matter lol. Vm service is just starting to annoy me :/
i had both of these phones! i liked the V better. but the MT was newer and bigger so went to that. but still have the V.