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Question of the day. Why do quadrant scores suck on this device? Gs2 I'm getting above 5300s and this dude has a better processor. It should be killing the Gs2 and I'm only getting 3200s. Uncalled for I say! Maybe someone with better knowledge can explain?
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Our processor is not better. The gs2 has the best there is right.now. and our quadrant does not suck ove gotten over 4000 .
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Ours is very good and even though its clocked at 1.5 and the gs2 only at 1.2 the exynos is the best on the market period
+1 on that. Exynos is better. The OC'd gs2 is getting over 9000 on some benches like cfbench. But we have LTE so I'll take a slower bench and faster dl/ul speeds
Interesting. I didn't know the chipsets in the two were that much different.
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Not to mention quadrent scores mean nothing at all as they can be boosted but make the phone lag. Only real test is real world use. All benchmark scores can be fooled into giving a high score without improving real performance
+1 as i have stated previously. Quadrant scores are like puting an elevator in an outhouse.
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+1 as i have stated previously. Quadrant scores are like puting an elevator in an outhouse.
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And I could use both right now......
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And I could use both right now......
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I'm a little concerned by that need of yours...
I agree with what was already stated.
While synthetic benchmarks are handy to track relative performance increase/decrease of a device in certain situations, they shouldn't be a deciding factor in anything. They are one source of information that should contribute to an overall decision about device performance. They should be weighted heavily with real-world use and experience.
The Adreno 220 is a better core than the Mali 400, but the Scorpion is a beefed up Cortex A8, so it's not as efficient as the Cortex A9 in the Exynos.
It's debatable as to which is more powerful in real world situations. They're pretty comparable. Skyrocket might have a slight edge in games, vanilla SGS2 has the edge in benchmarks. They're pretty close all around, though.
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The Adreno 220 is a better core than the Mali 400, but the Scorpion is a beefed up Cortex A8, so it's not as efficient as the Cortex A9 in the Exynos.
It's debatable as to which is more powerful in real world situations. They're pretty comparable. Skyrocket might have a slight edge in games, vanilla SGS2 has the edge in benchmarks. They're pretty close all around, though.
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+1
Quadrant scores are quite arbitrary and not reflective of the real world performance. For example, an SQL hack can get your score up by a few hundred points without a real world performance boost.
By the way, I never managed to get more than mid 3000 with the stock build on my SGS2.
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Quadrant scores are quite arbitrary and not reflective of the real world performance. For example, an SQL hack can get your score up by a few hundred points without a real world performance boost.
By the way, I never managed to get more than mid 3000 with the stock build on my SGS2.
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Came here to say this. Also in real world usage I'll take a bigger screen and LTE over a couple fps on a graphically intensive game.
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My best scores:
usually im around 2800-3100 but sometimes it gets crazy fast and hit: (btw the slide to unlock thing is from a security app that i was playing with, i assure it its a gs2 skyrocket)
I really want to get rid of this atrix. I love the fingerprint sensor and all that but i think its time for an upgrade. The software on the phone is dying because i think the last update for it just started to roll out on soak, and it is just starting to lag ALOT.
I am either in this looking for the Galaxy Note because it just seems soooooo worth it to me. I would love a larger screen and the Exynos chip seems to do wonders.
Or.... should I wait for quad core phones later? Will the quad core really make a difference? Isn't ICS only optimized for dual-core anyway? I just don't see a need for quad-core other than a marketing gimmick. I understand battery life would be better, but The Galaxy Note battery seems to last at least a day on normal use and that's fine with me.
Help? lol
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I really want to get rid of this atrix. I love the fingerprint sensor and all that but i think its time for an upgrade. The software on the phone is dying because i think the last update for it just started to roll out on soak, and it is just starting to lag ALOT.
I am either in this looking for the Galaxy Note because it just seems soooooo worth it to me. I would love a larger screen and the Exynos chip seems to do wonders.
Or.... should I wait for quad core phones later? Will the quad core really make a difference? Isn't ICS only optimized for dual-core anyway? I just don't see a need for quad-core other than a marketing gimmick. I understand battery life would be better, but The Galaxy Note battery seems to last at least a day on normal use and that's fine with me.
Help? lol
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Well I would go for the Samsung Galaxy Note (I have had it and the SGSII and your rumors are true the exynos chips are just amazing )
The quad cores sounds great....in paper, they concentrate in doing the phone with better chips but not with better batteries and with what i know right now they would probably have like today phones battery (ex. 1800-2200 mAh) and considering the chips they'll have they'll drain it like orange juice but well they sound great for show off with your friends jajaja
Yes, he's right, unless the scientists develop hydrogen batteries newer and better phones will have more battery drain.
Anyway, the galaxy note is an excellent phone, and huge
I'm fairly certain the Note is using snapdragon, not sammy's.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1462622&highlight=galaxy+note
First generations of something are usually questionable, the Note should be a great buy for a while.
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@dac1227 yeah there are two versions one with sammys processor at 1.4 ghz and one with qualcomm processor at 1.5 ghz
source: wikipedia
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So if I were to purchase one on att network, would I be getting exynos or qualcomm?
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it would be exynos the snapdragon chipset is only for the asian versions of SK telecom, KT and LG U the rest have sammys chipset
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it would be exynos the snapdragon chipset is only for the asian versions of SK telecom, KT and LG U the rest have sammys chipset
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Incorrect, but close
The AT&T version of the Note will ship with Snapdragon, as it is the only SoC supported by Qualcomm's LTE baseband.
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Really forgot that sorry (jejej funny i choosed sprint sgs2 cause it had the exynos processor and not the att cause the lte didnt made this possible jajaja)
yeah he has the truth
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Really forgot that sorry (jejej funny i choosed sprint sgs2 cause it had the exynos processor and not the att cause the lte didnt made this possible jajaja)
yeah he has the truth
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No apology necessary my friend
I just didn't want the OP to go off and buy one thinking he was getting Exynos
Thanks everyone. Now the question is.... Will there be a difference between the 2 processors? I do like my games on my phone but nothing too intensive. Would the snapdragon at least be better than my tegra 2? I do honestly like the LTE on att.
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Thanks everyone. Now the question is.... Will there be a difference between the 2 processors? I do like my games on my phone but nothing too intensive. Would the snapdragon at least be better than my tegra 2? I do honestly like the LTE on att.
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you need to compare facts around, so people with a 800x480 display and dual core 1Ghz do not tell you its sooo much faster as snapdragon than tegra2.
If the snapdragon 1.4Ghz dualcore is used on a 1280x766 display the graphics rendering require so much more power to complete the graphics and handle it.
For now i think the only good one is tegra2/3, is you have seen the rendering on tegra3 snowball game, you should be convinced since no other device is capable of delivering that on 720p displays.
but do note, i got both acer and asus prime, and i find both device pretty similar although prime is quadcore, and only seen the glowball thing to utilize it 100% rest is pretty much the same. maybe FPS games do run smoother on quadcore like shadowgun but i havent had the chance to compare it.
if you already got a tegra2 device, wait untill the new fullHD tegra devices appear like Acer A700 device and the nextgen from Asus with fullHD display too.
depends what you need it for dont know if this is true but i herd somewhere that a single core has the worst battery life and a duel core has better and a quadcore even better cos a single core will have all the mhz running on that core and a quadcore will spread the mhz out on all cores thus better battery life in my opinion id wait for reviews on a quadcore phone like the s3
Falsee its just like a car you can put 1.4 gallons of fuel to a 4 cylinder car and to a 6 cylinder car....the 6 cylinder would have more power but it will use the fuel faster its just the same
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Falsee its just like a car you can put 1.4 gallons of fuel to a 4 cylinder car and to a 6 cylinder car....the 6 cylinder would have more power but it will use the fuel faster its just the same
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not comparable in this setup... 4 cpu running at 20% use less power, than 1 cpu running at 80% thats the simple fact documented for tegra cpu's on Nvidia.com, search and you will find the facts.
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not comparable in this setup... 4 cpu running at 20% use less power, than 1 cpu running at 80% thats the simple fact documented for tegra cpu's on Nvidia.com, search and you will find the facts.
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yay im right
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here you go all the facts duel core is sooooo 2011
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/content/PDF/tegra_white_papers/tegra-whitepaper-0911a.pdf
this pretty well made my mind up....
Hey Forum, I am pretty sure that a lot of people in this forum are going to be switching to the One X in Q2 of this year. Since I live in North America, we will only be getting the Krait. I believe that it isn't much of a loss, according to the benchmarks anyway. What is your opinion?
Well, T-Mobile is rumor to be getting One X with Tegra 3 with AOSP for US, and EU version is Sense 4. If this true i'll definately getting One X. If not its hard to choose One X and Galaxy S 3.
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Depends on the power consumption.
Benchmarks showed that the S4 SoC is a beast, but not much words on the power consumption.
As for the SGSIII - the fullHD display sounds good
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Well, T-Mobile is rumor to be getting One X with Tegra 3 with AOSP for US, and EU version is Sense 4. If this true i'll definately getting One X. If not its hard to choose One X and Galaxy S 3.
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Sense is a critical point of One X , no way HTC is going to allow AOSP versions regardless of country
i fail to see how this phone will be significantly better than the sensation.....
Wow. Cool. Rad.
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i fail to see how this phone will be significantly better than the sensation.....
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I think the same.
But OLED screen would be good reason...
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Sense is a critical point of One X , no way HTC is going to allow AOSP versions regardless of country
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HTC G2 US version is AOSP, T-Mobile will market One X as their G series with AOSP. US carrier especially T-Mobile have a strange ways to market their phones.
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i fail to see how this phone will be significantly better than the sensation.....
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Read these:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...ormance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
HTC One X power consumption
Well, I think that Tegra 3 is going to have better battery life. Tegra 3 spreads workload across its 4 cores plus its 5th lower power core. Too bad North America is stuck with Krait.
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As for the SGSIII - the fullHD display sounds good
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Full HD sounds pretty damn awesome
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Well, I think that Tegra 3 is going to have better battery life. Tegra 3 spreads workload across its 4 cores plus its 5th lower power core. Too bad North America is stuck with Krait.
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Baseless assumptions. NA is "stuck" with the Krait?
The Krait is based on a new architecture (similar the Cortex A15) and can asymmetrically clock each core unlike the T3 or any of the ARM-based chips. It is also based on the 28nm process, which should bode well for power consumption and heat.
I'll take the Krait over the T3 any day of the week. I am glad that we are "stuck" with the Krait.
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Baseless assumptions. NA is "stuck" with the Krait?
The Krait is based on a new architecture (similar the Cortex A15) and can asymmetrically clock each core unlike the T3 or any of the ARM-based chips. It is also based on the 28nm process, which should bode well for power consumption and heat.
I'll take the Krait over the T3 any day of the week. I am glad that we are "stuck" with the Krait.
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I agreee...Snapdragon S4 dualcore is a lot better in battery life and performance than Tegra 3.
Nvidia SoC stuck on an ARM Cortex A9 45nm...
I'm in italy, so in my country i will see onli One X with Tegra...so i'll probably buy it from US with Snapdragon S4 xD
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Well, I think that Tegra 3 is going to have better battery life. Tegra 3 spreads workload across its 4 cores plus its 5th lower power core. Too bad North America is stuck with Krait.
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Not true. Tegra 3 is made using 40nm process, while the S4 is made in 28nm. The 28nm process can be a lot more energy efficient. Although the Tegra 3 includes a 5th low power companion core, it is being used only in light weight task, in which case the same applications won't be consuming much power on the S4 either. When the Tegra 3 is running at it's full power, it's definitely consuming more power than the S4.
That is not to say that the Tegra 3 is a battery sucker and the S4 is not. There is just not enough tests out there to judge. And thus far all the Tegra 3 benchmarks are only done with the Transformer Prime.
I'd have to say this, neither of them is really slower than the other in all scenarios. If I were to choose between them, my deciding factor would definitely be real world battery life (and maybe LTE, at this moment I don't really care about it too much). I'm sure there will be tons of tests comparing the two once the One X is physically launched.
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I think the S4 is a better dualcore and the Tegra 3 is just an soc to promote the quadcore name. pretty much marketing issue. Not saying its not any good, benchmarks proves it's got some power. I just think it is to early for quadcore phone. S4 proves it.
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Well, I think that Tegra 3 is going to have better battery life. Tegra 3 spreads workload across its 4 cores plus its 5th lower power core. Too bad North America is stuck with Krait.
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Well, actually the Tegra 3 only uses the compagnion core when idle, so it's likely that the Snapdragon S4 version is more efficient in practice.
Krait is better. I hope T-Mobile releases their G4X with the Krait.
I said this months ago... If this phone becomes the G3 or some other naming scheme I will be all over it regardless of the SoC... But Apples to Apples I'd take the Krait hands down... Snapdragon support has proven to be overwhelming in the dev community.
And people that fail to see how this is better than the sensation.. You clearly don't have your eyes open.
According to all the benchmarks and reviews I've seen the Krait kills the Tegra 3. And it has better battery life and LTE?! Yes please! And for everyone saying LTE sucks battery life you're right, but the One X for Sprint is rumored to have a 2650mah battery, hell yes if that's true!
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And wow.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-pro-apq8064-benchmark/?m=false
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Put it in s4!
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Over 7500 quadrant, Jesus...
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Over 7500 quadrant, Jesus...
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Even if it's a quadrant score, supposedly doubling the power and ability of the T3 and even leaves the dual core S4 in it's trail.
That's some serious power.
No Way!
That is just Nuts. Technology is just moving soo fast.
I've been saying it all along-if you want a true generational leap above 2011 processors, Quad core Krait + Adreno 320 or A15 Exynos + Mali T-604 are the way to go. I can't believe how glad I am that I've held out with my Sensation while upgrade addicts have SG3s and One Xs for the next few years (unless they upgrade again). And don't kid yourself-these SoCs will be used for no less than 5" full 1080p displays.
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only got one word to say; WOOOOOWWWWWWW
Apparently they're selling the developer's tablet with this processor for $1300.
cool but we will see this next year not this year.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/qualcomms-quadcore-snapdragon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
Great performance preview of this. As excited as I am for this, I'm honestly worried that the GPU may not be as impressive as I was hoping. The iPad still appears to be the king of the GPU hill, so although Adreno 320 is a step forward from Adreno 225, it still isn't "blown-away" status, unlike the CPU. Now this isn't a final version of what we will see in consumer products, so maybe there's more to be seen, but I'm already beginning to wonder if A15 Exynos + Mali T-604 will be a better combination (assuming Mali T-604 lives up to the hype that it will blow all other GPUs out of the water). Then again, we're not sure what will appear on only tablets and what will appear on phones as well, and both should be plenty powerful, so maybe it won't matter which one will be better.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/qualcomms-quadcore-snapdragon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
Great performance preview of this. As excited as I am for this, I'm honestly worried that the GPU may not be as impressive as I was hoping. The iPad still appears to be the king of the GPU hill, so although Adreno 320 is a step forward from Adreno 225, it still isn't "blown-away" status, unlike the CPU. Now this isn't a final version of what we will see in consumer products, so maybe there's more to be seen, but I'm already beginning to wonder if A15 Exynos + Mali T-604 will be a better combination (assuming Mali T-604 lives up to the hype that it will blow all other GPUs out of the water). Then again, we're not sure what will appear on only tablets and what will appear on phones as well, and both should be plenty powerful, so maybe it won't matter which one will be better.
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If Android only came on one tablet from one manufacturer, you could optimize the hell out of the software to take full advantage of the hardware. But that's not the case. For Apple, it is.
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If Android only came on one tablet from one manufacturer, you could optimize the hell out of the software to take full advantage of the hardware. But that's not the case. For Apple, it is.
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It's a price to pay. A price well paid from us all.
Absolutely ridiculous.... as for the price tag.
hullbay said:
Absolutely ridiculous.... as for the price tag.
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That's a development tablet for you.
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That is insane. I was pretty proud of my rezound 6 or 7 months ago. Apples and oranges.
Personally I don't game on my phone though, so at a point I gotta wonder when enough is enough.
paintball23456 said:
cool but we will see this next year not this year.
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We will see it this year.
KingKuba13 said:
We will see it this year.
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We won't. Period
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The Janitor Mop said:
I've been saying it all along-if you want a true generational leap above 2011 processors, Quad core Krait + Adreno 320 or A15 Exynos + Mali T-604 are the way to go. I can't believe how glad I am that I've held out with my Sensation while upgrade addicts have SG3s and One Xs for the next few years (unless they upgrade again). And don't kid yourself-these SoCs will be used for no less than 5" full 1080p displays.
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If its adreno 320...
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It will kill more than 20 adreno 200's!!!
I wonder what the benchmarks of processors will be in 10 years from now.... That will be great to see.
This is amazingly ridiculous in terms of power. Surely, this is wonderful for the development of hardware but there must be some focus on letting everything else follow. When will there be a battery that can actually withstand this power? I would love having the power and more than 24 hours of battery life at the same time.
My understanding of the big.LITTLE architecture is that it is a logical extension of the architecture implemented in Nvidia's Tegra 3 SoC. You have a lower-power architecture (in Tegra it was one core, in this case it's 4) that can handle operations in the background or "lite" activites, and a more robust quad-core A15 chipset to handle the heavy loads.
The implementation in Tegra 3 wasn't particularly impressive (read: awful), and I honestly think the 70% battery savings tossed by ARM is bollocks -- even besides the fact that the baseline isn't mentioned (i.e. 70% more efficient than what at what exactly?).
Why?
Pull up your battery stats and look at what's consuming the vast majority of your battery life. It is and always will be the screen. Until we develop technologies that make screens far more energy-efficient or batteries vastly larger in the same space (Apple?), marginally more efficient processors won't really mean much.
The worst-case scenario for big.LITTLE is that we'll have a quad-core A7 chipset doing the majority of our light work including interface operations, which would most likely make the phones feel slower than current A9/A15-core chipsets as far as interface is concerned. I don't know about you but even Exynos 4 to Qualcomm S4 Pro is a noticeable jump in UI response, so I'm not ready for a step backward. My understanding is that these chipsets can't even be utilized together for the same tasks -- lack of multi-threadedness aside, the most performance we'll realize from Exynos 5 will be about the same as other quad-core A15 SoCs.
Additionally, the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note and even Galaxy S3 all utilized pentile SAMOLED displays. My understanding is that non-pentile SAMOLEDs can't effectively be produced with sufficient pixel density (e.g. "Retina" threshold) -- hence why the larger Note 2 screen is the first Galaxy phone to feature a non-pentile 720P SAMOLED. Do you guys really think the manufacturing process has improved enough to produce a 1080P non-pentile SAMOLED? I'm seriously expecting a pentile display in the Galaxy S4 at this rate.
What a load of crap was that? You make absolutely no sense at all.
What is the point of this thread? You are assuming a lot of things and based on these assumptions you are expecting people to discuss.
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What a load of crap was that? You make absolutely no sense at all.
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What doesn't make sense about it?
ARM's been pretty clear about how big.LITTLE's state-switching works.
If you take the mW consumption of a modern screen and a modern processor in any given state (idle or max), it's not really mathematically possible to increase battery life by 70% with just the processor.
I agree the pentile thing is pretty baseless, since Samsung came out and said it was for longevity. The matrix would probably be at least like the Note 2's, though no telling.
I'd like to understand from your perspective what the benefits of big.LITTLE could possibly be over power-gating?
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What a load of crap was that? You make absolutely no sense at all.
What is the point of this thread? You are assuming a lot of things and based on these assumptions you are expecting people to discuss.
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He was stating his thoughts based on what is known about the big.little architecture and the exynos 5 octa revealed at CES. There is no crap about that. Maybe you should read his post thoroughly and learn a bit about the new exynos 5 soc, then it would make more sense to you.
To OP: I think we would just have to wait until the SOCs are benchmarked to judge whether the tegra 4, snapdragon 600 & 800, or the exynos 5 octa is better.
And yes, going from an A9 to A15 is a major jump. ARM claims that each generation, (eg. A8 to A9 to A15) will give double the performance of the last gen architecture.
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What a load of crap was that? You make absolutely no sense at all.
What is the point of this thread? You are assuming a lot of things and based on these assumptions you are expecting people to discuss.
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That was a HUGE load of crap by the op, someone please go to the store and get more toilet paper.
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klin1344 said:
To OP: I think we would just have to wait until the SOCs are benchmarked to judge whether the tegra 4, snapdragon 600 & 800, or the exynos 5 octa is better.
And yes, going from an A9 to A15 is a major jump. ARM claims that each generation, (eg. A8 to A9 to A15) will give double the performance of the last gen architecture.
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It makes me wonder about the A50-series architecture, which really seems like the generation to wait for. If the Nexus 10 is any indication the huge jump in the upcoming Galaxy S4 generation should be the GPU, whose speed improvements will more than offset pushing 2.25x as many pixels.
I thought the recent hexagon/diamond-subpixel arrangement rumors about the Galaxy S4 were pretty interesting. Makes me interested to see how such an arrangement will hold up against non-pentile 1080P since I thought the S3 was pretty soundly trounced by the One X as far as display quality goes.
Lol seriously this OP
btw I was thinking if exynos octa would have some advantage over other processors in multi threaded benchmarks. .
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i agree with Op. snapdragon 800 2.3 FTW
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i agree with Op. snapdragon 800 2.3 FTW
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Honestly we cannot judge until the benchmarks are out...but I place my bets on the snapdragons, as they have smoked this generation of quad core tegra and exynos chips with just their dual core s4's.
Plus I always stick to Qualcomm because of the availability of always updated source from CAF.
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Honestly we cannot judge until the benchmarks are out...but I place my bets on the snapdragons, as they have smoked this generation of quad core tegra and exynos chips with just their dual core s4's.
Plus I always stick to Qualcomm because of the availability of always updated source from CAF.
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I don't think s600 would compete ,but s800 would be competitive
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