Cant find any video samples showing what 1080p looks like after the v10d update.. I heard the full hd is much better but i cant find any samples.. anyone?
The Simple fact is why would we buy a 3D phone and record things in 2D ? we are all doing 3D films.
Here is a quick sample I just took outside on the new firmware.
Its definitely better with the newer firmware but i believe there are still improvements to be had as the bitrate of the video is still only 10 megabit/s and can probably go a bunch higher.
My real problem is with the audio. It's pretty piss that we have 1080p 2D and 720p 3D but the audio is still this ****ty 32khz 64kilobit overdriven and compressed to **** tripe.
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What I don't get is the phone has two microphones, the normal one and the sound cancelling one. Can it not address them both independently?
If it can (which I would expect it would be able to) then why this ****ty mono sound when we could at least have ****ty stereo? It would at least be a start in the right direction.
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720p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-goLd9HoQZA
1080p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQiPWnLVIc
not impressive, to be honest. 1080p is wobbly, 720p still a bit wobbly. not much detail. Continuously compensating for light changes. this is not what HD video recording should be, even on a smartphone.
Wobbly because most hands wobble more than tripods do
Maybe it is youtube that does the re-compression to an even lower bitrate that lowers the quality?
On my original post about the quadrant and linpack scores I noted that these videos I took are not on the final software and also yes, my hands were wobbly as hell lol. I also uploaded the original files to my dropbox, the links are on my post.
The 1080p is a 8Mbps and the 720p at 6Mbps, sound was really low bitrate.
Maybee it will be better in the final production version.
Are there 3rd party camera apps that may work?
The LG Optimus 2x films better than this, so I am sure it will be better in the final version.
wouwout said:
not impressive, to be honest. 1080p is wobbly, 720p still a bit wobbly. not much detail. Continuously compensating for light changes. this is not what HD video recording should be, even on a smartphone.
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I'n not a native English speaker. My 'wobbly' doesn't refer to your hands but to the typical smartphone effect you get when recording in HD and moving around. Not everything moves at the same pace creating a wobble effect.
However some phone don't have this issue as much as others, due to better hardware and/or software.
In a nutshell. Im gettting married next weekend and purchased an Olympus SZ-30MR camera to film in 1080p. But it's eating through the propiety batteries really fast and it takes hours to charge.
I was going to buy the Sensation after the honeymoon. But now im thinking of getting one this week to do most of the filming.
People who have one already can you test:
1. How long you can film without it stopping? Cameras limited to 29 mins.
2. How much filming can you do until battery is nearly flat?
3. Is quality any good?
Will be using a 32 gb card.
Big thanks in advance.
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As far as I can see you're only limited by the size of your SD card. I just uploaded a quick test I did to youtube, it's probably still processing the higher quality versions. 30 second video is 38.6MB, 1920x1088 resolution (yes, 1088), 29fps.
It's definitely not the best video to check quality, but I was more interested in seeing the actual size of the videos created.
No clue on how much it drains battery as I've hardly used it so far
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U70LGfTlsq4
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As far as I can see you're only limited by the size of your SD card. I just uploaded a quick test I did to youtube, it's probably still processing the higher quality versions. 30 second video is 38.6MB, 1920x1088 resolution (yes, 1088), 29fps.
It's definitely not the best video to check quality, but I was more interested in seeing the actual size of the videos created.
No clue on how much it drains battery as I've hardly used it so far
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U70LGfTlsq4
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Can you check the bit rate of that clip you posted? And is that in mp4?
cheers..
10596kbps and it's 3gp format. Thought that was strange. I always associate 3gp with the very first phone cameras.
can you upload a video for audioplayback test please ?
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10596kbps and it's 3gp format. Thought that was strange. I always associate 3gp with the very first phone cameras.
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Thanks mate. Did you check the settings for that? Maybe there are some options to switch between 3gp and mp4?
Not a fan of 3gp. Bit rate is on the lower side. How do you feel when you view the clips on TV/monitor?
No option to change file format. Seems to be 3gp for all quality settings.
While changing quality settings I did notice it tells you how much video you can take for each setting. I could do about 3 and a half hours on my 16GB, with about 15GB free space atm.
Video looks nice on my laptop (1080p screen) and a bit better on my TV (also 1080p) when I'm sat on the sofa of the other side of the room. It's obvious there's compression there, but it's better than what I was expecting for a phone camera, and I definitely don't see any need for a "real" camcorder as long as I have this. It's more than enough for any "home videos".
I would in no way use a mobile to film memorable things like a wedding as you will regret it.
Take a good look at the Sony Cybershot HX9 that records excellent 1080p video. Excellent image stabilization, video and sound quality. Excellent camera too!
Really don't even bother with any mobiles for things like that.
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Yeah go borrow/rent a good camera/camcorder or even hire a wedding film person (make sure they don't run off with your money). Video on phones is only for convenience. If you can do MUCH better, why wouldn't you?
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I would in no way use a mobile to film memorable things like a wedding as you will regret it.
Take a good look at the Sony Cybershot HX9 that records excellent 1080p video. Excellent image stabilization, video and sound quality. Excellent camera too!
Really don't even bother with any mobiles for things like that.
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Oops. No the mobile will be for video on the honeymoon which doesnt require zoom. Im stuck with a couple of Olympus SZ-30MR now. The zoom is pretty awesome at 24x.
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Oops. No the mobile will be for video on the honeymoon which doesnt require zoom. Im stuck with a couple of Olympus SZ-30MR now. The zoom is pretty awesome at 24x.
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The Sensation video as far as I can see after looking at a few Sensation videos on You Tube is even at 1080p its similar to the Desire HD video recording capabilities with the whole 'going dark and light all the time as you move around' which is ok but in honesty you will get better from a good compact camera as mobile video in general the sound is quite tin like.
I would try and get most capturing done on your compact camera as its going to be better. Shame you cant get a Sony Cybershot HX9 as that is a frigging awesome compact camera for photos and HD video just come out as well.
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Oops. No the mobile will be for video on the honeymoon which doesnt require zoom. Im stuck with a couple of Olympus SZ-30MR now. The zoom is pretty awesome at 24x.
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Ok. In MY opinion it should be good enough. Since you have the good camera which eats through the battery like mad I have the following impression. You were planning on getting the Sensation either way so might as well get it now. You can use the Olympus for those WOW moments and then use the Sensation for those fun spontaneous moments (seems good enough for that in my opinion) so you don't have to be constantly be worrying about the proprietary batteries and their charge.
But like I said, that's MY take on it.
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The Sensation video as far as I can see after looking at a few Sensation videos on You Tube is even at 1080p its similar to the Desire HD video recording capabilities with the whole 'going dark and light all the time as you move around' which is ok but in honesty you will get better from a good compact camera as mobile video in general the sound is quite tin like.
I would try and get most capturing done on your compact camera as its going to be better. Shame you cant get a Sony Cybershot HX9 as that is a frigging awesome compact camera for photos and HD video just come out as well.
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Just a note on sound, if the Sensation mic is as good as the HD2 I will be chuffed. Went to Ibiza last year and stood next to loud speakers filming, it didn't distort and can easily recreate the bass. Blown away by it not distorting.
Yeah new mobile should arrive today. Got a pretty mint deal to make it worthwhile.
Thanks for responses people.
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Just a note on sound, if the Sensation mic is as good as the HD2 I will be chuffed. Went to Ibiza last year and stood next to loud speakers filming, it didn't distort and can easily recreate the bass. Blown away by it not distorting.
Yeah new mobile should arrive today. Got a pretty mint deal to make it worthwhile.
Thanks for responses people.
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I hope you enjoy it and it lives up to your expectations.
Also I wish to say congratulations and I hope your wedding and honeymoon are everything you could wish for
So I don't know why but for some odd reason in the youtube app, if HQ is highlighted the audio quality is still feeble, where youre still able to hear grainy audio and "pixel shifting" images.
However when I go to the youtube website in the browser and play an HD video there the audio quality is completely flawless. It's pretty much desktop quality at 480,720 and 1080. Granted the videos wont play well ( expected) but the audio is surreal compared to the app.
I want to know why this is happening. Alot of people havnt been this specific when it came to youtube video qualities but youll find the rare thread that speaks of this exact problem.
Im using the Nexus One and the latest OS. 2.3.4.
When using tubemate, it downloads the grainy version of the video as opposed to the real HQ seen on the website. How do i go around this. Essentially I want to rip the songs from HD versions so I can play it in the car without wasting bandwidth going from one video to another.
When the app says HQ, what is it really talking about. Its nowehere near 480p to the very least. The degradation in the audio quality is noticable both in my car and akg headphones, where my unrestricted 3gs never had this problem. I miss that phone to death.
Well, it's all really a matter of terminology..
HQ stands for High Quality
HD stands for High Definition
While HD is a written standard with rules and guide lines that are needed to be followed, HQ is merely a relative thing. I can say that HQ is 420p cuz in MY service, I also have 180p which I decide to call LQ (L for low) and 320p which I consider as the medium or "normal" quality.
And thus I can also say that HD is like VHQ (Very High Quality) or something.
Hope it's clear enough.
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So I don't know why but for some odd reason in the youtube app, if HQ is highlighted the audio quality is still feeble, where youre still able to hear grainy audio and "pixel shifting" images.
However when I go to the youtube website in the browser and play an HD video there the audio quality is completely flawless. It's pretty much desktop quality at 480,720 and 1080. Granted the videos wont play well ( expected) but the audio is surreal compared to the app.
I want to know why this is happening. Alot of people havnt been this specific when it came to youtube video qualities but youll find the rare thread that speaks of this exact problem.
Im using the Nexus One and the latest OS. 2.3.4.
When using tubemate, it downloads the grainy version of the video as opposed to the real HQ seen on the website. How do i go around this. Essentially I want to rip the songs from HD versions so I can play it in the car without wasting bandwidth going from one video to another.
When the app says HQ, what is it really talking about. Its nowehere near 480p to the very least. The degradation in the audio quality is noticable both in my car and akg headphones, where my unrestricted 3gs never had this problem. I miss that phone to death.
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The YouTube app doesn't use flash video at all, unlike most browsers do...The app uses html5 encoding, and that's why it works on pretty much every Android device out there...When you watch YouTube vids on their website, (not the mobile website), you are able to utilize your most recent, best optimized version of Adobe flash....Also why Apple people can use a YouTube app...don't need flash. (Actually a little surprised that Apple HAS a YouTube app, but, after all, the driving force for Google is ad revenue, and I guess the money from all those iphoners couldn't be passed up...)
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Has anyone noticed that camcorder on Desire S records videos at only ~22 FPS? No matter how good light conditions are and regardless of recording resolution/bitrate - video always comes out at ~22 FPS (or less in low light conditions).
This is not because of hardware limitations, but because of camera module itself. It has noticable lag when looking through viewfinder and, of course, camera can not record what the camera can not see (more frames per sec).
On the other hand, front camera can record video at ~29 FPS VGA! Bad quality, but yeah, more FPS.
Why, in Gods name, would HTC put such bad camera module on back and (in terms of video recording fps) and better camera on front?
What method are you using to determine the FPS?
If it is just a software issue than a custom ROM should resolve it.
I have used "GSpot" app, and I don't believe this is a software issue, as I'm on my 5th custom rom.
Also, I don't think that my unit is faulty or something, all desire s cameras are like this (compared). Its a shame, because video quality is quite nice, but fps...
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
yeah i noticed that the other day i thought it was because i had an 8gb class 2 mem car but i recently got a 16gb class 6 and it still looks choppy and if as u say its and hard wear defect or they did it on purpose then their is no easy fix
this sucks. it kindof defeats the point of having 720p when the fps is less than 30...
Yh this is the one thing which is annoying but not a major disadvantage. Hope there is some software which can rectify this.
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I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
That would be SICK... But I don't think it'd be possible due to the size of the camera sensor in most mobile phones.
i just know that the HTC Bass (Runnymede) will be able to do 720p recording at 60fps.
afaik, there are no known phones that can do [email protected] currently.
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I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
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Sounds like James Cameron's dream phone, to me. Cameron is pushing for the movie industry to adopt a minimum 60fp/s for movies.
is 60fps the limit? cant it go any higher?
Really isn't much benefit in going higher except for Video/Sports analysis, TBH. For just watching stuff, 60 FPS is good enough.
I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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agree
even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
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even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
Yes, we all like to see those beautiful bullet time type videos shot with fast cameras, but there are limitations other than processing power. In this case it's optical. The faster you shoot, the better lit the scene needs to be and the better the light gathering ability of the optics. Perfectly easy to overcome when you're lighting the scene and using proper hardware. Not so good when you're using a phone to do the shooting though!
I don't see the point of 1080p/60fps until they can do 1080p/30fps properly
Also better optics before moving onto anything else
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
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Sorry but I don't agree at all, and your post doesn't include one single argument for you statement so it doesn't make any change.
30 fps looks ok, but 60fps video looks more fluid. It is very obvious in fast moving videos, e g sports.
I know that movies are made for 24fps and have "motion blur" to remove the problems with low frame rate, and some people prefere this motion blur (i e movie captured with small aperture) but that is a matter of taste and doesn't change what looks more fluid or not.
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That all depends on the GPU. Maybe the powervr sgx 543 can, seems the most plausible of all the GPUs available.
So those can shoot @60fps:
-LG G2
-Note 3
-HTC One (720p only)
Does anybody know more devices?
Maybe Nexus 5 after some camera hack...? I would buy if it had 1080p60
Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 can record 60fps video as well