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I got a captivate back in september and recently I hard bricked it. So Iwent to the store and they gave me a new one for free under warrenty (they couldn't even turn it on and apparently the power back on was a known issue for the model I had, even for now rooted users). Well long story short, even before I did the kies mini update to froyo I noticed the GPS was spot on, really fast before and after update. I think the older ones suffer from a hardware issue more than a software issue.
off topic: can't believe they actually gave you a new one when you *bricked* it, cause I thought when you root your phone, your warranty is void.
^^^I'm guessing he didn't tell them what actually caused the problem.
What's the manufacture date on the new unit?
I got mine less than a couple of weeks ago and I think mine is 12/10
for what its worth my first captivate purchased on launch day didn't seem to have hardware issue (seemed to be software problem). With the first captivate i had strong consistent stationary lock times and strength. Would usually lock in under 20-30 seconds max and see 8-9 sats with locks on 7-8. The problem was the device could not track when moving with JF6 or JH7. Turn by turn nav was unusable to a ridiculous degree. That being said with a handful of roms my tracking became spot on and lock times/strength even increased.
Just using 1 rom as example (Supernova) locks times were usually 10-12 seconds almost always under 15 seconds seeing 10-12 sats with locks on all or all but 1. Better yet as previously mentioned i could finally use the gps for turn by turn navigation.
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Received replacement refurb captivate (shutdown issue) last week and while i was peeved that its imei and manufacture date are still within range of affected devices i was pleasantly surprised by something else (a fully functional GPS on stock).
The device arrived with JH7 installed....i wasn't surprised by fast, accurate, stable locks because my first captivate accomplished the same (although these were faster and more in line with the improved performance i had achieved with custom roms).
When i took the unit out for a drive and some navigation i expected epic fail on stock...so i was extremely surprised when it tracked me turn by turn without any issues. I am on a custom for obvious reasons but my stock GPS on this new device that was manufactured in July was spot on.
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I got a captivate back in september and recently I hard bricked it. So Iwent to the store and they gave me a new one for free under warrenty (they couldn't even turn it on and apparently the power back on was a known issue for the model I had, even for now rooted users). Well long story short, even before I did the kies mini update to froyo I noticed the GPS was spot on, really fast before and after update. I think the older ones suffer from a hardware issue more than a software issue.
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I don't think ATT gives a brand new in Box replacement, they give a refurbished phone.
MMAHavok69 said:
I got a captivate back in september and recently I hard bricked it. So Iwent to the store and they gave me a new one for free under warrenty (they couldn't even turn it on and apparently the power back on was a known issue for the model I had, even for now rooted users). Well long story short, even before I did the kies mini update to froyo I noticed the GPS was spot on, really fast before and after update. I think the older ones suffer from a hardware issue more than a software issue.
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How long have you had the new phone? Is this the same "great" results we got upon doing a hard reset only to find out a few days later it still sucked?
Does anyone actually know if any of the refurbished phones have have any work beyond clearing and reloading?
just asking....
I purchased 2 last October and 1 at xmas time and all 3 had bad gps. Installing a custom ROM was the only thing that has made my gps tolerable.
Elisha said:
What's the manufacture date on the new unit?
I got mine less than a couple of weeks ago and I think mine is 12/10
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Where did you find the date? I got a new one last week that came with 2.2. I guessed it was new? Was not impressed with the gps. Comparing it to a htc desire. Now that I have installed serendipity the gps works a lot better.
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Where did you find the date? I got a new one last week that came with 2.2. I guessed it was new? Was not impressed with the gps. Comparing it to a htc desire. Now that I have installed serendipity the gps works a lot better.
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On the sticker under the battery, mine is 1007 for 07/10.
I think the older ones suffer from a hardware issue more than a software issue.
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I am more inclined to think it is more software related. Otherwise I would still expect to have a bad gps. It now will even show me at my exact address in google maps.
I had to return one of my Captivates under warranty (touch input broke), and the refurb has had amazing GPS...even on stock. The replacement is a 1007.
I agree with the people that think it is a software issue. I got my first Captivate in the middle of August. I only had it for a week before all sound quit and I got a different unit. The replacement they gave me was also a new unit, not a refurb. The original unit had a flawless GPS. I even remember thinking how quickly it got a lock and it was always spot on. My current unit has a GPS that could be out-navigated by a blind man with Captain Jack Sparrows compass! I live in Louisville KY and when I drive down River Road, which follows the Ohio river, it usually shows me driving in the grass on Indiana's side of the river, while telling me it is 16 meter, or better, accuracy!! The river is about 200 - 300 yards wide at that point. Sounds a lot more like 100 meters to me! You know you have a screwed up GPS when it can't even figure out what state you are in. I will give it credit for repeatability though, it ALWAYS shows me in the wrong place.
Hard Bricked Replacement
Bought my first gen in Oct last year, My Phone got Hosed during an Odin Flas,blackscreen,no boot,no download etc. took it to ATT Devices service center,said i woke up and it was blank and wont turn on,she went in back and gave em a new one ,i think, she pelled off some of the plastic off teh sides of phone etc,...What is cool is this HAS FROYO 2.2 stock on ROM and GPS is good,why do the new Cappies have 2.2 and teh old Eclair i had didnt get any update cept for the .1 gps "Fix",odd but i was happy to get a Stock 2.2 Froyo replacement for FREE!
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Bought my first gen in Oct last year, My Phone got Hosed during an Odin Flas,blackscreen,no boot,no download etc. took it to ATT Devices service center,said i woke up and it was blank and wont turn on,she went in back and gave em a new one ,i think, she pelled off some of the plastic off teh sides of phone etc,...What is cool is this HAS FROYO 2.2 stock on ROM and GPS is good,why do the new Cappies have 2.2 and teh old Eclair i had didnt get any update cept for the .1 gps "Fix",odd but i was happy to get a Stock 2.2 Froyo replacement for FREE!
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Everybody got Froyo update for free. They are probably updating replacement phones to Froyo simply to prevent any issues with users updating via Kies.
NO WAY IN HELL was I going to tell them it was rooted if they couldn't even turn it on either to check. The tech at the warranty place said that not being able to power back on was a known issue for the model I had. I had to update myself to 2.2. But I'm so happy with the GPS now, I get my exact location in under 10 seconds most of the time.
Captivate SGH-i897
Batch no: 1008
Manufacture date: August 28, 2010
Not rooted. Stock, stock, stock.
Updated to Froyo on March 1
Here's an abbreviated version of a long story:
In order to solve another problem (could not send MMS messages), I did a master clear and reset. Before that traumatic event I was very, very, very--this is a family-oriented forum so I will just say--disappointed in the GPS which usually gave me somebody's position at about the same time I arrived at my destination.
After the reset Chartcross's GPSTest showed the GPS locks on four birds usually within a minute. Amazed, I drove about 150 miles (freeway and side roads) yesterday and the little blue triangle in Google Maps was right on top of me the entire way. Turning off the phone, driving ten miles and restarting the GPS got a lock in less than a minute (which test I've repeated several times over the last week). FWIW, I use a Garmin GPS for geocaching so I have some familiarity with GPS's.
Watching the bars in GPSTest, I have learned to keep my hands away from the upper two-thirds of the phone's body because that improves reception. In a car, reception is improved with the sunroof shade open or the phone on the dashboard (in a "sandbag" phone mount).
If you are unhappy with your phone's GPS performance and it has a similar background to this phone, you might try a master clear and reset. Either you will be very happy with the results or just as unhappy as you were before but, in any case, you will have an opportunity to spend several hours with your phone in a symbiotic relationship rebuilding it with settings and apps.
YMMV. Yada-yada-yada...
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I tried a new Gingerbread Modem on a Custom Froyo ROM to see if it would work. Though I couldn't use because I couldn't get any Network Service I did test Wifi Speed and GPS tests. It was super with Wifi and GPS locked in like 10 seconds and within 5 meters. I had never had that kind of GPS service.
I had a similar experience. I returned my 1007 phone (purchased in august) last week for the random shutdown issue and bad gps. They gave me a 1009 phone that shut down 5 times a day. I returned that phone 2 days later and got a new 1007 phone, new simcard, and new battery (the shotgun approach to repair).
This phone has not shut down once, and will lock 7 satellites in a room where normal gps units have issues.
I am very happy now.
@Picsman, I find I get a similar result from "delete GPS data" via Lbstestmode........for a while anyway.
If I want my GPS to perform at it's best (however you want to describe that) I seem to need to do this first....
I have just upgraded from an unbranded Desire I used on Voda UK to a Voda UK Sensation and I am very disappointed.
The Sensation has the potential to be a fantastic phone, but for a few really annoying faults.
1) The Phone network reception is terrible. In my house I have a very good 2g Voda reception and quite good 3g reception (One of the reasons I went with Voda years ago) I have NEVER had a problem with any other phone on Voda in my house before until now. The sensation will one minute show 3-4 bars of 2g signal, if I then pick it up and start using it, browsing the web etc, the phone will often go to no service. When I am talking on the phone in my house the person at the other end constantly complains that I am cutting out.
I have read about the alleged “grip of death” problems the sensation has if you hold the phone at the top with the Wi-Fi signal dropping and mine does that as well. I think the GSM/3G aerial is at the bottom of the case which is exactly where most people hold their phone normally and holding it defiantly affects the mobile signal as well as Wi-Fi a LOT more then I have experienced with any other phone to the point of it losing the signal in a strong area.
I am getting a replacement from Voda next week as I am still within the 7 days. I really hope this one is better with regard to GSM/3G signal.
2) I am getting the well documented problem with the Widgets (even the HTC power widget) intermittently getting coloured lines through it. It may be fine for a day then one starts and then they all start ending up in the widgets becoming unread able. To clear the problem you either have to remove the widget and then re place it on the home screen or change the scene and then back again or reboot the phone (rebooting does not always work, seems to be pot luck). I have read that HTC say that this is to do with 3rd party software not being written for QHD resolution!! Well HTC as the Sensation is, as far as I am aware, the first phone to have a QHD screen, how many f**king apps do they think will be written for QHD screens?? This is not the case anyway as sometimes they display fine for a day or so and sometimes their own power widget suffers!! Come on HTC, it is your responsibility to make sure at least 3rd party software written for earlier resolutions display without corruption, I can understand when apps display small and don’t take up the whole screen but this is a BUG.
3) I am also getting another commonly reported problem. Sense almost always reboots after installing/removing/moving an app and sometimes after exiting an app. I have read that people have put this down to the new sense being quite memory hungry and the device can shut Sense down sometimes if memory runs low??? WHAT ??? This version of sense was written by HTC for THIS PHONE!!! How can this phone not have enough RAM memory to deal with it??? I experimented with custom ported versions of this sense on my rooted Desire and sense would very, very rarely reboot, but I accepted those very few occasional sense reboots as they were custom roms with ported software not designed for that phone also modified to use the SD card for internal storage to overcome the Desires lack of internal storage. Again this is a BUG, possibly a memory leak somewhere?
I really do not expect these sort of serious, normal use affecting BUGS on a stock rom from HTC.
I have received the OTA update 1.35.161.2 but note that it isn’t quite the latest version released by HTC but I suppose it’s the Voda version, but this hasnt solved these problems.
I really hope HTC sort the software problems out ASAP, as there really is a lot to like about the Sensation, the screen looks fantastic with text/pictures and videos and the speed of the phone is very impressive and the new sense is very good software if these bugs are sorted.
But if my replacement Sensation has the same signal performance as this one, I am afraid it will be back to the slow, small screened desire for me as at least I can use it properly and generally reliably as a phone!!!!
Rant over!!!
Honestly... I have not had a single problem with my Sensation. If I were you, I would exhange it for a new one. Probably a defective unit. Go to a different store when you exchange it.
luckyduck69 said:
Honestly... I have not had a single problem with my Sensation. If I were you, I would exhange it for a new one. Probably a defective unit. Go to a different store when you exchange it.
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Same here..this phone is phenomenal
Ok, thanks for replys, hoping that replacment unit has at least better signal performance.
So you guys dont ever get problems with colour bars running though widgets or sense rebooting? Lots of people have posted about these problems with no answers so far. Do you have many Widgets on your home screen? I have seen a few people who posted that they eventually ended up removing the widgets. I supose if you dont have any/very few widgets the problem will not/may not occur, but for me the widgets are one of the great things about Andriod and Sense and makes them better than an iphone running iOS!
That's a bummer! Just exchange it...I've had no issues with mine!
I have EXACTLY the same software issues with my Sensation on T-Mobile USA. My reception is fine, I haven't had any problems there, but the colored lines on non HTC widgets and sense reloading after installing, uninstalling, moving to SD card or after playing a game/surfing for a long period definitely happens. This is my second replacement and it was better the first few days and now is doing the same thing that was happening before. Some days Sense doesn't reload much, maybe once. Other days, like yesterday, it reloads close to 10 times. I'm hoping HTC fixes it with the update that is supposed to come in August, in the mean time I installed LauncherPro Plus. It isn't having any of the problems the HTC launcher did. I miss the Sense home screen a lot, but not having a few HTC widgets is a small price to pay for the phone working correctly.
ru using Advanced task killer/manager or any other battery saving applications like Dr.battery or any other things like memory boost,ram booster if so please remove it.. even i had the same color bar problem in the widgets i had removed the above applications now its all fine no problem at all...
it might be another problem than just them apps. I've had both of the apps you've mentioned and never once had the application problems that the op mentioned.
jab1972 said:
I have just upgraded from an unbranded Desire I used on Voda UK to a Voda UK Sensation and I am very disappointed.
The Sensation has the potential to be a fantastic phone, but for a few really annoying faults.
1) The Phone network reception is terrible. In my house I have a very good 2g Voda reception and quite good 3g reception (One of the reasons I went with Voda years ago) I have NEVER had a problem with any other phone on Voda in my house before until now. The sensation will one minute show 3-4 bars of 2g signal, if I then pick it up and start using it, browsing the web etc, the phone will often go to no service. When I am talking on the phone in my house the person at the other end constantly complains that I am cutting out.
I have read about the alleged “grip of death” problems the sensation has if you hold the phone at the top with the Wi-Fi signal dropping and mine does that as well. I think the GSM/3G aerial is at the bottom of the case which is exactly where most people hold their phone normally and holding it defiantly affects the mobile signal as well as Wi-Fi a LOT more then I have experienced with any other phone to the point of it losing the signal in a strong area.
I am getting a replacement from Voda next week as I am still within the 7 days. I really hope this one is better with regard to GSM/3G signal.
2) I am getting the well documented problem with the Widgets (even the HTC power widget) intermittently getting coloured lines through it. It may be fine for a day then one starts and then they all start ending up in the widgets becoming unread able. To clear the problem you either have to remove the widget and then re place it on the home screen or change the scene and then back again or reboot the phone (rebooting does not always work, seems to be pot luck). I have read that HTC say that this is to do with 3rd party software not being written for QHD resolution!! Well HTC as the Sensation is, as far as I am aware, the first phone to have a QHD screen, how many f**king apps do they think will be written for QHD screens?? This is not the case anyway as sometimes they display fine for a day or so and sometimes their own power widget suffers!! Come on HTC, it is your responsibility to make sure at least 3rd party software written for earlier resolutions display without corruption, I can understand when apps display small and don’t take up the whole screen but this is a BUG.
3) I am also getting another commonly reported problem. Sense almost always reboots after installing/removing/moving an app and sometimes after exiting an app. I have read that people have put this down to the new sense being quite memory hungry and the device can shut Sense down sometimes if memory runs low??? WHAT ??? This version of sense was written by HTC for THIS PHONE!!! How can this phone not have enough RAM memory to deal with it??? I experimented with custom ported versions of this sense on my rooted Desire and sense would very, very rarely reboot, but I accepted those very few occasional sense reboots as they were custom roms with ported software not designed for that phone also modified to use the SD card for internal storage to overcome the Desires lack of internal storage. Again this is a BUG, possibly a memory leak somewhere?
I really do not expect these sort of serious, normal use affecting BUGS on a stock rom from HTC.
I have received the OTA update 1.35.161.2 but note that it isn’t quite the latest version released by HTC but I suppose it’s the Voda version, but this hasnt solved these problems.
I really hope HTC sort the software problems out ASAP, as there really is a lot to like about the Sensation, the screen looks fantastic with text/pictures and videos and the speed of the phone is very impressive and the new sense is very good software if these bugs are sorted.
But if my replacement Sensation has the same signal performance as this one, I am afraid it will be back to the slow, small screened desire for me as at least I can use it properly and generally reliably as a phone!!!!
Rant over!!!
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I'd owned a few android phones (7) including LG P 990, according to my exp they couldn't beat sensation even it was temp root and stock ROM. But it is really hot (battery)
I moved from the Z3 running concept rom to the XZ. I noticed that everything feels jittery, and I have quite a lot of lagging and hanging, especially when updating / installing apps (I get that it should show down a bit, but this phone lags like a b**). Also whenever the temperature goes over 38, everything becomes laggy (it goes over 38 in normal use).
Nothing particularly heavy running in the background, I don't play a lot of games and streaming is usually by WiFi. Anybody notice that this is not the best phone in terms of performance? My Z3 runs faster, smoother and cooler than this ever did.
Could you have bought an S7 mounted inside an XZ chassis??? Just kiddin buddy...
Havent noticed anything you described, maybe you have to contact whoever cheated you with that phone.
BTW in my opinion my XZ is the best phone in the world no matter what evryone say....
PS try to perform a factory reset or a software repair through xperia companion, them could fix this mysterious behaviour....
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I moved from the Z3 running concept rom to the XZ. I noticed that everything feels jittery, and I have quite a lot of lagging and hanging, especially when updating / installing apps (I get that it should show down a bit, but this phone lags like a b**). Also whenever the temperature goes over 38, everything becomes laggy (it goes over 38 in normal use).
Nothing particularly heavy running in the background, I don't play a lot of games and streaming is usually by WiFi. Anybody notice that this is not the best phone in terms of performance? My Z3 runs faster, smoother and cooler than this ever did.
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I have this exact same behaviour! So frustrating
Do you by any chance also have the dual sim model??
I've not encountered this issue, always been snappy and smooth either on stock build and XplayZtation ROM
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I have this exact same behaviour! So frustrating
Do you by any chance also have the dual sim model??
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Yes it's the dual sim model, bought it from the official dealer in the UAE. So far it hasn't been a good experience... If my Z3 hardware held up a bit more till next year I wouldn't have changed..
drubio said:
Could you have bought an S7 mounted inside an XZ chassis??? Just kiddin buddy...
Havent noticed anything you described, maybe you have to contact whoever cheated you with that phone.
BTW in my opinion my XZ is the best phone in the world no matter what evryone say....
PS try to perform a factory reset or a software repair through xperia companion, them could fix this mysterious behavior....
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Actually when I updated to Nougat I did it by software repair. Interestingly I had the same issues on MM.
I had an idea from some articles I read that the HTC 10 uses slower storage than other flagships as well as Apple apparently using slower storage for the lower capacity versions vs. the higher ones. So I did the test and compared the results to this article by GSM arena (see attached image)
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http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_10_stor...w_average_with_other_flagships-blog-18091.php
Now I don't know much about this technical matter but i can say one thing; I was very surprised to find out that my phone the F8332 is worse than the of the ones compared in the article, maybe comparable to the HTC 10.
Would anyone be interested in comparing the F8332 model with the F8331, can anyone here run the test and confirm if theres a difference, because as far as I can tell, the phone performs terribly and I'm thinking of taking it back. Also my father has the same phone, it also lags and stutters. It would be nice to get a confirmation if its indeed a storage issue or just a software optimization issue.
Just if its going to make you feel better, there you got my f8331 results in the same bench, stock 7.0.
I also have to say, i usually don't give a s*** regarding bench results, some smartphones with lower results perform better on daily duties than benchchamps.
I have to say im happy with my xz as another one could be with his sh1tphone 7 or his firesumg note 7. Just a matter of likes. If you live benchmarking yourself with the rest youre going to be far from happiness
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Just if its going to make you feel better, there you got my f8331 results in the same bench, stock 7.0.
I also have to say, i usually don't give a s*** regarding bench results, some smartphones with lower results perform better on daily duties than benchchamps.
I have to say im happy with my xz as another one could be with his sh1tphone 7 or his firesumg note 7. Just a matter of likes. If you live benchmarking yourself with the rest youre going to be far from happiness
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I generally never do or trust benchmarks, just wanted to see the results, so based on this I guess it's a software issue?
The XZ uses eMMC memory so what do you expect? Of course the read/write benchmarks are going to be shocking.
I think is a matter of time this relatively new device settle and grow (with the help of the amazing developers we have here, of course). Maybe after that time we'll can see XZ performing at its max. One thing is for sure, im not with that crazy stream we live that everybody wants to have the best piece of tech during a few months, after that, buy another one an so.... And for what? To play candycrush with ps4 quality and sniff people lifes on facebook.
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I think is a matter of time this relatively new device settle and grow (with the help of the amazing developers we have here, of course). Maybe after that time we'll can see XZ performing at its max. One thing is for sure, im not with that crazy stream we live that everybody wants to have the best piece of tech during a few months, after that, buy another one an so.... And for what? To play candycrush with ps4 quality and sniff people lifes on facebook.
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I agree, but I also think it's inexcusable for Sony to release a worse performer than their own 2 yr old device. I don't need the best of everything, but within reason... I don't think that having random freezes and laggy software on a brand new and recently reformatted device, while my older one performs flawlessly is ok. What do you think?
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The XZ uses eMMC memory so what do you expect? Of course the read/write benchmarks are going to be shocking.
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Saying "shocking" is exaggerated, UFS is better in every aspect except power consumption, but eMMC still does much better than what the average smartphone task demands, doing the ***** because of higher numbers on androbench is the same thing as wanting more pixels on display, or more cores, just because everyone else follows that trend.
The XZ still outperforms most of 2016's phones on both Antutu and Geekbench's computing, if you all really care about numbers so much.
Here, high numbers, happy now?
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Saying "shocking" is exaggerated, UFS is better in every aspect except power consumption, but eMMC still does much better than what the average smartphone task demands, doing the ***** because of higher numbers on androbench is the same thing as wanting more pixels on display, or more cores, just because everyone else follows that trend.
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Go to settings, Storage & Memory, Advanced, Storage, Internal Storage and then wait to see how long it takes for that list to populate. Years. I love my XZ and for my needs it's mainly fine but eMMC/3GB of RAM and plastic casing is lame on a late 2016 flagship no matter what anyone says.
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The XZ still outperforms most of 2016's phones on both Antutu and Geekbench's computing, if you all really care about numbers so much.
Here, high numbers, happy now?
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No I don't think you read what I said, I don't care about benchmarks at all, my point was using them as a reference because the phone is laggy and just not performing wellvin day to day use.
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No I don't think you read what I said, I don't care about benchmarks at all, my point was using them as a reference because the phone is laggy and just not performing wellvin day to day use.
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Never had a single lag on mine, yours is either a defect unit or a fake, if it still lags after a factory reset then theres no other explanation.
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Go to settings, Storage & Memory, Advanced, Storage, Internal Storage and then wait to see how long it takes for that list to populate. Years. I love my XZ and for my needs it's mainly fine but eMMC/3GB of RAM and plastic casing is lame on a late 2016 flagship no matter what anyone says.
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That's true, but I still couldn't find any other phone to satisfy me more than this one, so there's no actual loss for me.
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Never had a single lag on mine, yours is either a defect unit or a fake, if it still lags after a factory reset then theres no other explanation.
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Well I very highly doubt it's a fake, so I guess it might be a faulty unit or just the fact that the dual sim version software isn't optimized as the normal one. But I do know one thing, it lags a lot, hangs on certain apps and is just not smooth as it should be, even after several factory resets.
omarfarrah said:
I moved from the Z3 running concept rom to the XZ. I noticed that everything feels jittery, and I have quite a lot of lagging and hanging, especially when updating / installing apps (I get that it should show down a bit, but this phone lags like a b**). Also whenever the temperature goes over 38, everything becomes laggy (it goes over 38 in normal use).
Nothing particularly heavy running in the background, I don't play a lot of games and streaming is usually by WiFi. Anybody notice that this is not the best phone in terms of performance? My Z3 runs faster, smoother and cooler than this ever did.
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It's thermal throttle. I've gone through 3 XZ's. One had serious heating issues, the second had some deadpixel, the current one has also some thermal issues but not as bad as the first.
For example, on the first unit doing benchmarks on antutu (i'm just gonna mention this one for now) always starting from idle temperatures, i would get sometimes around 140.000, 120.000, 135.000 and on one occasion 96.000. On the second unit always above 140.000 no matter what. Best i've achieved was 144.4457 (thumbs up) and it could film 4K for 30 minutes without shutting down due to heat.
On the actual unit, i have lag, faster battery drain, higher temperatures and abnormal temperature rise , mixed antutu scores from 123.000-140.000 (most of the time 135-136) and 4k video maximum of 15 minutes...
And yes, i've done software repairs, fresh install, reboot on safemode, tried on/off smart cleaner and battery care...
From my experience with these units, the XZ is a superb device (if everything is working as it should), a normal device that doesn't separate the sheep from the goats (if you have problems that affect performance) and a real headache if you have serious overheating problems (or others).
FYI, iv'e got the F8331.
Really interested in this phone but obviously worried as it's there first generation phone. So can those who actually have the phone please use this thread to highlight the main issues they have encountered with the phone, to help others decide please.
Vibration motor sounds feels and sounds like theres a poor animal inside being shocked occasionally to cause the rumble (and sound)
When making calls people on the other end I cannot understand or make out what's being said but incoming calls are just fine
Started a similar thread, but getting sidetracked irl..
This thread is only focusing on the negatives to help people decide whether or not to buy it?
What about the positives? (which really do outnumber the negatives by a lot)
I'm also saying this after receiving a defective-speaker phone first time. Still wouldn't trade this phone for any others even if ya paid me or gave it to me for free.
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eriknors said:
When making calls people on the other end I cannot understand or make out what's being said but incoming calls are just fine
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For what it's worth i don't have this issue.
I find it's quite a hefty phone - that reeks of quality, but the square angles and smoothness of the build means it has slipped out of my hands a few more times than other phones. Though I am kinda being a bit namby pamby with it till my screen protector and case come through from Amazon, so it's probably just me.
When my phone vibrates, the bottom speaker area is what rattles.. Hold that or squeeze it and it will stop rattling temporarily.
I've been using this phone for two full days now. I love it. Amazing.
There are a few issues I'd like to list and come back too later to see if anyone else is having the same issues, but first let me start with what I love about the phone because I really do love this phone.
What I Love:
Yuuuuge screen. At first I thought I really wanted to go for the OP5T for the 18:9 Ratio. I actually compared side by side and I like this screen much more.
Phone is bulky, yes. But it gives me a feeling of quality. Like its going to last. My last three phones **** on me which were all Samsung. They look pretty, but they aren't built to last anymore. I am certain Samsung builds phones now to be replaced just like apple. My last phone the S7 Edge literally nothing wrong with it. The alarm went off in the morning like always, when I went to swipe the phone froze, got incredibly hot and shut down. After it cooled down I tried resetting it. Booting in safe mode, etc. Nothing it shows a black screen and what bugs me is that the phone works, I can get text message and unlock etc but the screen is black. This bothers me so much because the boot logo and animation shows up so I know its not a hardware issue. Right as the S8 comes out? Coincidence? I don't think so...
Anyways....
The Razer just seems durable to me, No fancy edges etc. (Cheaper to fix a flat panel in the case of cracks as well).
Screen is smooth as butter at 120hz. It really is noticeable, however after the first day I stopped noticing it. It became a passive thing for me. But I do notice when a game is not running at a high fps and it aggravates me now lol. Most of the games I used to play are literally unplayable to me now.
2TB MicroSD - Wow. No way I will ever need all that but still cool.
Audio, Dolby app. So good.
What I hate: Please let me know if any of these have been addressed by Razer.
Phone does get warm in use at, usually when set to 120hz. Like Youtube and gaming. Even regular use like watching youtube videos in HD gets the phone warm. Never hot, but warm.
Bluetooth audio when on youtube can get out of sync. Only way to fix is with restart. Happened twice so far.
I don't know if its just my mind playing tricks on me, but I notice the screen flash to a dimmer brightness at times. It happens in an instant and gradually gets back up. It's hard to explain, but I will be looking at the screen watching a youtube vid or something then look away and when I look back it seems like it's not as bright, but the more I look at it the more I can't see the difference anymore.
So yeah,
EDIT: Also what is ticking me off is that this has the same camera module as the S7 Edge yet better processor and twice the ram yet I can't shoot video in slow-mo 120fps. I know Razer is working on Camera fix, and I sure hope this feature comes along with it.
I thought the phone has a heat pipe or something like that?. Anyway for me seriously am done with phones that generate heat, especially when it's for gaming!
marvi0 said:
I thought the phone has a heat pipe or something like that?. Anyway for me seriously am done with phones that generate heat, especially when it's for gaming!
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Is this the unicorn you speak of :
I wouldn't rule out this phone based on one or two users experience,at least until they can show how "bad" it is,with some footage/apps that record heating/etc........
Especially if they're charging the phone while playing a grapic-intense game.
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I thought the phone has a heat pipe or something like that?. Anyway for me seriously am done with phones that generate heat, especially when it's for gaming!
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No doubt, phones or computers that generate heat are so mid-90's. They're just dumb.
I've had an issue, happened twice now, but it is difficult to reproduce.
Dolby Atmos app open and turned on, wired headphones (Bang & Olufssen in ear buds). I was listening to an audiobook (Audible app, AAX file extension) and after 25-30 minutes of continuous playback (from 1 audiofile), the sound got weird, like it was coming through a drainpipe. This has never happened with music MP3, and only happened twice but each time after a lengthy playback. So far I haven't got it to happen without Atmos running.
Screen touch response seems like it is not very sensitive. Coming from the axon 7 that you could hover over the screen and it would be detected at times, I find myself double tapping home a lot. Really sucks not being able to change nav bar key placement.
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Screen touch response seems like it is not very sensitive. Coming from the axon 7 that you could hover over the screen and it would be detected at times, I find myself double tapping home a lot. Really sucks not being able to change nav bar key placement.
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I came from the Axon 7 and screen responsiveness was horrible on mine. This phone is a significant leap forward from anything ZTE has offered or ever will offer.
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I came from the Axon 7 and screen responsiveness was horrible on mine. This phone is a significant leap forward from anything ZTE has offered or ever will offer.
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I am having more small issues with the razer than I did on the axon. Like auto rotate not working at times, not being able to move files from the internal storage to the SD card listing to headphones and the dongle gets moved to much and audio cuts off. I am hoping that once there are custom roms somethings will be fixed.
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I am having more small issues with the razer than I did on the axon. Like auto rotate not working at times, not being able to move files from the internal storage to the SD card listing to headphones and the dongle gets moved to much and audio cuts off. I am hoping that once there are custom roms somethings will be fixed.
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Granted while I have not tried the dongle yet I have no problem moving files from internal to external sd and back again (I used a third party file manager). I have to ask the stupid question. Have you tried a factory reset?
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Granted while I have not tried the dongle yet I have no problem moving files from internal to external sd and back again (I used a third party file manager). I have to ask the stupid question. Have you tried a factory reset?
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It's not every file, some move some don't. No I have not reset yet, have not reached that point of annoyance yet. Don't get me wrong I really like the hardware it's the little software bugs that are what I have trouble with, and that's coming from a guy that usually runs buggy custom roms.
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I am having more small issues with the razer than I did on the axon. Like auto rotate not working at times, not being able to move files from the internal storage to the SD card listing to headphones and the dongle gets moved to much and audio cuts off. I am hoping that once there are custom roms somethings will be fixed.
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Can't say I've not had the auto rotate not work. It was annoying the home screen is set to portrait in Nova settings.
What files are you trying to move though? From the 64GB internal to a SD?
My only issues are random restarts when I try to wake up my phone, and the metal surrounding my power button being slightly bent.
hello, for my experience, i love this phone a lot, but for downside is,
1. Mirror cast, cast doesnt detect other device on my phone, its like not even trying to find.
2. Bluetooth, so hard to connect audio bluetooth to my car radio, even if i can connect it, it play for just a less than a minute, then it stop.
3. Vibration, yep is kind a anoying vibration.
4. Heat, playing a mobile legends for a minute like playing for a hour, but i solved with using razer phone hard cover, at least i didnt feel the heat too much.
So far is good, but compared to my s8 plus, razer still have a lot to do.
Cheers.
What is the support for unlocked and for root and roms like? What is your experience if you have it, pros & cons? what would make it perfect? whats it missing?
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What is the support for unlocked and for root and roms like? What is your experience if you have it, pros & cons? what would make it perfect? whats it missing?
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It's an early scene for roms there's a few out there ... But support usually falls off
Not an expert by any means, but it was very easy to root--especially with the Pixel Flasher. Haven't tried any custom ROMs yet, as I'm pretty happy with the Android 13 beta releases.
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It's an early scene for roms there's a few out there ... But support usually falls off
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Thats good and im not familiar with them they come unlocked?
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Not an expert by any means, but it was very easy to root--especially with the Pixel Flasher. Haven't tried any custom ROMs yet, as I'm pretty happy with the Android 13 beta releases.
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Awesome glad to hear that do you have any other pro con things what other phone where you looking at vs this one?
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Awesome glad to hear that do you have any other pro con things what other phone where you looking at vs this one?
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Cons is the sub par battery performance and lack of straight out of the box VoLTE & 5G support for non official supported country
Pros is as usual : easy to unlock, root etc, great camera.
If i didn't pick 7 pro, i might already pick Xiaomi 12s Ultra. It has better hardware all around, including camera. But i still prefer google's software & OS iteration, although i kinda hope google to actually cherry pick some other great features from other OEMs software/ROM
Battery life seems to be pot luck to be honest, mine is stella compared to what my Pixel 6 Pro was, i often don't charge it on an evening if its lead a fairly light day and I've never seen it go below 15% even when i have absolutely battered the living daylights out of it.
Very easy to root, and with the stock build being as close to vanilla as you can get, absolutely no need for custom roms in my view.
My battery life since day one back in mid-October has been fantastic with a slight downward turn on the December build. Back up to what I was getting previously on January though.
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Very easy to root, and with the stock build being as close to vanilla as you can get, absolutely no need for custom roms in my view.
My battery life since day one back in mid-October has been fantastic with a slight downward turn on the December build. Back up to what I was getting previously on January though.
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Man I'm jealous. Mine was epic, then suddenly about 2 weeks ago, it's just become miserably bad
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Man I'm jealous. Mine was epic, then suddenly about 2 weeks ago, it's just become miserably bad
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I'm not sure about if and when you updated, but I suggest you try disabling adaptive battery, I feel like my SoT and idle are a bit better with it disabled.
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Man I'm jealous. Mine was epic, then suddenly about 2 weeks ago, it's just become miserably bad
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Not to turn this away from the OP's queries and get off-topic, but same. Can't seem to nail down the cause. Completely stock too, so I'm assuming it's something in a recent firmware update. Hopefully it returns to it's previously glorious battery life.
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Not to turn this away from the OP's queries and get off-topic, but same. Can't seem to nail down the cause. Completely stock too, so I'm assuming it's something in a recent firmware update. Hopefully it returns to it's previously glorious battery life.
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It is a bit off topic, but I’m not sure it derailing his questions because this is a legitimate concern with this device. I think this weekend I’m going to do another factory reset and stay with the stock kernel even though I don’t believe kernel related, I still have to tested just to make sure.
@MarcoReckless I took that advice about two weeks ago, and that made it even worse.
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Awesome glad to hear that do you have any other pro con things what other phone where you looking at vs this one?
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I came from a OnePlus 7T to the Pixel 6--out of sheer curiosity. I liked the 6 so much, that I couldn't resist the 7 when it was announced...and sprung for the Pro. I've been really happy with it. I'm not a poweruser by any means, so I haven't put it thru any severe tests. You might try reddit if you're looking for "cons" on the phone--there are always plenty of complaints over there! ;-) (Just remember that 'satisfied' people speak up less in general.)
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It is a bit off topic, but I’m not sure it derailing his questions because this is a legitimate concern with this device. I think this weekend I’m going to do another factory reset and stay with the stock kernel even though I don’t believe kernel related, I still have to tested just to make sure.
@MarcoReckless I took that advice about two weeks ago, and that made it even worse.
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That's a valid point regarding the topic. I think I've seen you on the Kiri kernel thread? I'm completely stock (that was painful to write haha) since I wanted to wait for development to mature a bit, so I'm assuming it's firmware related since we are running different kernels. Idle drain and SoT are both affected on my device. I even disabled my VPN app to see if maybe it was some sort of network strain, but it's literally the same. Please keep me posted if you wipe over the weekend and it helps. The drain isn't crazy for me, but enough that I feel it and end the day ~15% lower than a couple weeks ago.
There is more custom ROM support for this device that's been out for 3 months than there usually is for other devices that have been out for a year. It's not as visible here because a number of these devs moved to Telegram where they can make their own rules rather than here where they're required to provide sources and are expected to actually be helpful to people making requests of them but there are a bunch of them out there and in my opinion, the best ones are on XDA anyway.
I actually had an issue with my display and I was expecting the worst but they sent me to a uBreakiFix and I walked out with a new screen in less than an hour after less than 20 minutes chatting with a Pixel support rep, and I got it repaired the same day even. When that screen proved to be defective too, uBreakiFix replaced it a second time without me even having to contact Google and that took about an hour. If I still had my OnePlus, that would have been weeks of mailing and waiting, and that's assuming they didn't try to tell me it was my fault like they have with other people who got green lines on their screens with no visible damage and were charged hundreds to repair it. This earned Google a lot of points in my book.
The battery is... It's a battery.
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As you can see, it gets me through a day or so. The high screen off usage is largely driven by how much I use VLC to shuffle play videos with the screen off when I'm sleeping at night. During the day it's something like 2% which is not the best but honestly I don't care as long as I get through a day or so without charging.
I do have one thing to gripe about though - this modem is not a 3GPP Release 16 modem. This means it's missing a number of new frequencies. This affects me personally as AT&T has 40MHz of 3.45GHz n77 spectrum deployed here and the phone cannot use it, only 3.7GHz n77 that they cannot use here until 2024. Additionally this phone doesn't support n70 or n48 for Dish's wireless, who will actually be switching me from AT&T's towers to their own in the coming months (I have Boost Infinite), so I am keeping an eye out to see what flagships launch this year with those bands supported to decide if I'm dumping the Pixel or not (unfortunately the S23 Ultra is looking like it won't support n70 even though the modem in it does). I guess that at least gives me some time to see how my phone performs with the missing bands when I get the new Boost Infinite SIM card - it may not be necessary for me to switch phones regardless.
Oh yeah and the charging is slow. About 1h55m to charge to 100%. You can get 50% in 30 minutes though so it hasn't been a real issue either.
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That's a valid point regarding the topic. I think I've seen you on the Kiri kernel thread? I'm completely stock (that was painful to write haha) since I wanted to wait for development to mature a bit, so I'm assuming it's firmware related since we are running different kernels. Idle drain and SoT are both affected on my device. I even disabled my VPN app to see if maybe it was some sort of network strain, but it's literally the same. Please keep me posted if you wipe over the weekend and it helps. The drain isn't crazy for me, but enough that I feel it and end the day ~15% lower than a couple weeks ago.
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My idle drain when I first flashback to stock last weekend was about 1% and now it’s up to about 3% and my active drain, which started out around 5% is typically anywhere from 9 to 13%.
This is from right now after just having put it back on my car charger.
Any other conversation about this particular topic, I think we should move to the battery drain thread on page 2 of this forum
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My idle drain when I first flashback to stock last weekend was about 1% and now it’s up to about 3% and my active drain, which started out around 5% is typically anywhere from 9 to 13%.
This is from right now after just having put it back on my car charger.
Any other conversation about this particular topic, I think we should move to the battery drain thread on page 2 of this forum
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That is, indeed, quite a leap for less than a week of use. Mine isn't quite that bad yet but it is slowly getting there. Much agreed on continuing the conversation in the appropriate thread and my apologies to the OP. Didn't intend to hijack this thread.
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pixel7pro is one of the best phone you can get in 2023.
I wish Google put the annoying front camera under display and not cutting that hole in middle of the screen.
p7p has easy root and no need for a custom ROM anymore.
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There is more custom ROM support for this device that's been out for 3 months than there usually is for other devices that have been out for a year. It's not as visible here because a number of these devs moved to Telegram where they can make their own rules rather than here where they're required to provide sources and are expected to actually be helpful to people making requests of them but there are a bunch of them out there and in my opinion, the best ones are on XDA anyway.
I actually had an issue with my display and I was expecting the worst but they sent me to a uBreakiFix and I walked out with a new screen in less than an hour after less than 20 minutes chatting with a Pixel support rep, and I got it repaired the same day even. When that screen proved to be defective too, uBreakiFix replaced it a second time without me even having to contact Google and that took about an hour. If I still had my OnePlus, that would have been weeks of mailing and waiting, and that's assuming they didn't try to tell me it was my fault like they have with other people who got green lines on their screens with no visible damage and were charged hundreds to repair it. This earned Google a lot of points in my book.
The battery is... It's a battery.
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As you can see, it gets me through a day or so. The high screen off usage is largely driven by how much I use VLC to shuffle play videos with the screen off when I'm sleeping at night. During the day it's something like 2% which is not the best but honestly I don't care as long as I get through a day or so without charging.
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I do have one thing to gripe about though - this modem is not a 3GPP Release 16 modem. This means it's missing a number of new frequencies. This affects me personally as AT&T has 40MHz of 3.45GHz n77 spectrum deployed here and the phone cannot use it, only 3.7GHz n77 that they cannot use here until 2024. Additionally this phone doesn't support n70 or n48 for Dish's wireless, who will actually be switching me from AT&T's towers to their own in the coming months (I have Boost Infinite), so I am keeping an eye out to see what flagships launch this year with those bands supported to decide if I'm dumping the Pixel or not (unfortunately the S23 Ultra is looking like it won't support n70 even though the modem in it does). I guess that at least gives me some time to see how my phone performs with the missing bands when I get the new Boost Infinite SIM card - it may not be necessary for me to switch phones regardless.
Oh yeah and the charging is slow. About 1h55m to charge to 100%. You can get 50% in 30 minutes though so it hasn't been a real issue either.
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That's cool that you're switching to Dish's system. I work for Dish so I've been watching this all unfold over the last few years
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That's cool that you're switching to Dish's system. I work for Dish so I've been watching this all unfold over the last few years
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I live less than 10 minutes from Dish Wireless's HQ at the Dish Riverfront site (that used to actually be Dish's HQ period before they moved to Englewood, the street at Riverfront is even called Echostar although I can't remember if it's Drive, Lane, or what) and would like to work for them... With my knowledge of all these things I could at the very least be worth having in tech support, that's even without my 6 years of experience doing customer service, sales, tech support, and help desk roles... Unfortunately they seem to only be interested in full timers and my status as being disabled (panic disorder and agoraphobia which is why their work from home positions were very appealing to me) and looking to re-enter the workforce just doesn't really make it seem like it's worth my time trying to convince them otherwise. It's unfortunate too as I help run one of the largest subreddits dedicated to phone plans and could be very useful as they try to get Infinite off the ground. I even had a customer service rep try to convince me to join them as she recognized me by my name on reddit but she herself said that if I can't work full time, it's probably a non-starter.
It is fascinating what they are trying to do though. Swimming with the big fish is going to take some talented people. I am cheering from the sidelines.