I'm in the market to buy a used Verizon phone, and I'd like to pick one that I can install WP7 on. What Verizon Phones are available that can have this installed on them?
HTC Trophy. Sick phone.
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Right. I was aware of that one, but I was looking more into phones that could be flashed with WP7. Maybe a windows 6.5 based phone that can be upgraded. I'm not due for an upgrade at the moment and I need to buy a decently cheap phone. So I was making sure that there weren't any other phones for Verizon that could possibly be flashed to run WP7.
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Right. I was aware of that one, but I was looking more into phones that could be flashed with WP7. Maybe a windows 6.5 based phone that can be upgraded. I'm not due for an upgrade at the moment and I need to buy a decently cheap phone. So I was making sure that there weren't any other phones for Verizon that could possibly be flashed to run WP7.
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The only phone that can be flashed to run WP7 is the HD2 (that I am aware of) and it is a GSM so I'm afraid unless your on AT&T or T-Mobile, you'll have to stick to the Trophy.
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I'm in the market to buy a used Verizon phone, and I'd like to pick one that I can install WP7 on. What Verizon Phones are available that can have this installed on them?
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The only phones that can have WP7 flashed to them are phones that are released with WP7 on them (for now at least) all BAR the HTC HD2 as that is just a beast of a phone that has had Android and WP7 portered to it.
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Right. I was aware of that one, but I was looking more into phones that could be flashed with WP7. Maybe a windows 6.5 based phone that can be upgraded. I'm not due for an upgrade at the moment and I need to buy a decently cheap phone. So I was making sure that there weren't any other phones for Verizon that could possibly be flashed to run WP7.
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Windows Phone 7 has strict hardware requirements that pretty much make any Windows Mobile 6.5 phone and below incompatible with it. Even the HD2 does not follow the exact guidelines, but it is the only phone that has a working Windows Phone 7 port and its likely going to be the only phone with a Windows Phone 7 port since the hardware is similar to a current Windows Phone 7 device out (HD7).
Verizon only has the Trophy, and that is your only option if you stick to Verizon.
Judging by your post, I'm guessing you haven't done too much research on Windows Phone 7, so if you are looking to "upgrade" from a Windows Mobile 6.5 based device, make sure you read up on the major differences between the two operating systems. They are in no way similar at all aside from the name. And as most people have found out when thinking that Windows Phone 7 is an "upgrade" to Windows Mobile 6.5, they become terribly frustrated by some of the changes and downright disappointed because they don't understand the differences between the two operating systems.
Windows Phone 7 is not an "upgrade". Its an entirely new mobile operating system. Keep this in mind.
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first of all, I didn't know where to put this, maybe it should have gone in the windows mobile forums?
I'm generally a dedicated android user, and now it's time for me to get a new phone.
I'm on at&t so my first choice was the captivate, otherwise I might go for an unlocked tmobile phone.
but then I realized that people have been getting their winmo phones to boot android.
it's be really cool to have both os, even on my pc I dualboot Windows7 and Ubuntu
do any of them do this well?
If I were to get a winmo phone based on it's ability to boot android which one would you suggest? or should I stick to a all-android handset?
note: the phone has to be GSM
A Winmo phone is not going to run android as well as a native android phone. Android ports always have issues... battery life isn't as good, certain features or hardware don't work, etc. If you're gonna use android full-time, i'd stick with an android phone. If you really want to run both on the same device then the HD2 is your best bet. It runs android very well for a non-android phone. But if you're going to stay on AT&T you will want to get the expensive austrailian 9193 HD2 if you want to have 3g. That will set you back $800. You can get the T-Mobile US version and unlock it, but you won't get 3g speeds on at&t.
I wouldn't bother getting a new Windows Mobile phone at the moment, as much as I have been a loyal WM user. WM6 is outdated, and a lame duck with Windows Phone 7 coming in October, with support from software developers dropping. If you are really curious about WM, you might wait until October and see if MS's big promises pay off, and if they can really compete with Apple and Android.
If I had to get a new phone right now, I'd get an Android. As already mentioned, a phone running an Android port is never going to work as well as a phone which runs Android natively. Its a good way to experience Android, and get some new life out of your phone, if you already own a WM device (and the hard work of the developers is greatly appreciated). But I wouldn't consider it a true "dual boot" situation.
Thanks for the info, I guess I'll probably get a stock android.
Hey yes I am a noob and did some research and homework on my own
but did not come across the right thread or information I am looking for yet.
I decided to go for a WP7 phone after selling my brand new iPhone 4 which I got from my insurance claim. The main reason was because while my iphone was in insurance claiming process I had a chance to use an android phone and I was amazed that how I have confined myself only to iOS.
I really liked the UI of WP7 and what it is capable to do so but at the same time my major concern is that it does not have some apps which android and iOS have got.
whatsapp and kakaotalk for example.
So I have come to a conclusion that I should buy a WP7 phone and get it modded (or hacked) so that it can multiboot both Android and WP7 operating systems.
My reasoning is that since Android is an open source platform, it has more adaptability to other hardwares hence I should go for WP7 and get it run Android on it.
From my research I have learned that HD2 could do it but personally I don't think HD2 is worth giving up my brand new iPhone 4 but something like Samsung Galaxy S2.
Anyone could name a good WP7 smartphone which could multiboot Android?
Thanks for reading this and please don't hunt down on such a noob. I did search on the forum but I could not find the right information for me.
HD 2 is the one and only.
No, now there isn't any wp7 devices can do that thing
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No, now there isn't any wp7 devices can do that thing
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HD2, runs perfectly with android and wp7.
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HD2, runs perfectly with android and wp7.
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The HD2 is not a Windows Phone 7 phone. It is a Windows Mobile phone. People just managed to get the Windows Phone 7 OS to run on it.
i do like the phone and partially like win7 mobile but i was wanting to run android ive tried the info but i cannot get anything to work.
htc 7 pro mobile running wm7
also reading some articles im scared to update what is best and safe for this phone i have stock firmware never updated as of new.
thanks
You cannot run Android on Windows Phone. End of story.
well how are others running android , its not impossible from what ive read. your a bit defeatist lmaO.
if wp7 can run Android, we would have run both on our device.
Actually due to wp7s locked down nature it could not, within reason, dual-boot. You could certainly port android to it given the time but you couldn't jump the android partition from wp7. I suppose it may be possible to flash android onto it (terrible is that it is) and create something to launch the wp7 partition from there but even then it's highly unlikely. There are a few devices supposedly dual-booting over in China but I would be more likely to bet that they're just generic hd7s and needed a free is to use. Regardless, its not happening any time soon and I don't know why you'd want that bug infested laggy garbage on your phone anyway.
they got the HD7 running Android.. and that's it.. pretty much because it is identical to the HD2.. which has been hacked to run android for a long time.
it might be possible for other HTC phones now that they're able to do custom roms.. but there are no guarantees.
If you wanted an android device, why didn't you just buy an android?
they have better hardware available and more flexible software..
Is it possible to get WM7 on an Android native device? I'm not asking for a specific device, just in general.
Though, if I were to ask for a specific device, I'm thinking about my Touch Pro 2, or an HTC Evo Shift, or the Samsug Transform Ultra. Just want to see if it's possible to get Win7 on a phone I can get on my Boost plan.
I don't need your "just get a win7 phone" answers. I just want to know if the above is possible. Thank you.
no its not possible but i think in the future with the unbrickable mod
No, it is not possible, because there is no such thing as "WM7." Windows Mobile never made it to a version 7 -- 6.x was all she wrote.
And no one will tell you to get a "win7 phone" either. Windows 7 is a desktop OS. Aside from one novelty model put out by some manufacturer in Japan (Fujitsu maybe?) there is no such thing as a phone based on Windows 7.
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No, it is not possible, because there is no such thing as "WM7." Windows Mobile never made it to a version 7 -- 6.x was all she wrote.
And no one will tell you to get a "win7 phone" either. Windows 7 is a desktop OS. Aside from one novelty model put out by some manufacturer in Japan (Fujitsu maybe?) there is no such thing as a phone based on Windows 7.
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A lot of guys talk of WM7 instead of WP7, so guess that's what he meant...
Anyway, WP7 is extremly unlikly to work on a native android just because it's closed source and therefore not easy to port...
Yes, I meant WP7, though I could be more lenient on my lingo given I was in the WP7 forums. Apparently, tai4de2 took my misspelling to heart. Heh heh. Understandable though.
Thanks guys, now I know.
Okay im not a tech savvy person here but...
HD2 was able to switch from WinMobile 6.5 to Android to WinPhone 7
Is there anything preventing developers from making an unofficial port of wp7 to wp8?
Is the core structure that vast that we cant repeat history like the HD2?
Who knows, maybe HD2 will be the first to run unofficial WP8 XDD
Just a theory, feel free to debunk me straight away
With the change in kernel, it is nearly impossible i think
HD2 was able to run WP just because it was a WM 6.5 device and WM6.5 and WP7 share the same Windows CE kernel
I think we will only be able to get to WP 7.8 due to the CE to NT kernel change
(but even that will hopefully give us the full Skype integration that I want so much and a multitude of other features)
Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.
What kind of kernel?
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Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that.
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I don't understand: What kernel supporting legacy hardware are you talking about here? Where will this come from, who will provide it?
I think we are right at the center of the problem here: Of course Microsoft could provide all kinds of device drivers for WP8 so that it could run on current WP7 phones, but decided against it - probably just too much costly work with almost no gain or even active opposition from manufacturers who want to sell new phones.
Yeah its got to be about getting the new devices sold, increase the market share. Besides, The gpu's and ram in our current phones won't be able to keep up with the new devices even when the new core with its native code stuff comes. Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable. I believe that wp7.5 is pushing our current hardware to the limits
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Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable.
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Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago
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I believe that wp7.5 is pushing our current hardware to the limits
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That's really hard to say without anyone actually trying to run WP8 on a current WP7 phone; on the PC front, Windows 8 seems to be faster on the same hardware than Windows 7. And many times and in many apps the CPU inside your phone is boring itself to death anyway because it has so few things to do.
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Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.
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You're talking about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483377
HD2 was able to boot Android (linux kernel) just because of the support of HaRET. Nothing can be done on it own.
And do remember that "famous HTC devices that are capable of running HaRET are the QSD8250 based HTC HD2 and a wide range of MSM7xxA based phones like the diamond, raphael and touch pro 2". Right now only the HD2 is still alive and its QSD8250 will be outdated soon.
You're talking about replacement like it's so easy. Changing kernel means every vendor has to rewrite everything from scratch including drivers for their devices. WP8 is designed to run on this new kernel (not the old kernel) so it does not support current devices. That's fair i think.
That's what we call changing (unlike 'changing' on Android or iOS, changing every now and then but nothing's new). Just hope that MS wont change too often.
Anyway, it's just only an announcement. The exact date of releasing WP8 is unknown. Right now, we still holding a device that runs a good OS. And even when WP8 is released, my phone's still doing something 'pretty much WP8' with 7.8 update. And can do that until i can afford a WP8 device or when everyone is switching. But that the story of at least 1 year from now.
"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!
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"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!
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That would be more realistic )
I think the main issue for MS is that kernel changes require flashing ROMS - high risk of bricking and WAY beyond the ability of most of their market. So why would they invest that level of development in a small niche market that potentially undermines their own market (look at the crossover between developers and hackers/crackers lol). You need to look at the commercial sense of their decisions not your own needs.
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complete faith although ?S
I have complete faith wp8 or an adjusted version of wp8 will be cooked to run on our gen2 devices, heck remember seeing froyo run on the tmobile g1?
And I think that will give our phones better resale value when we do decide to purchase a wp8 handset, i know that's my semi long term goal when I upgrate my handset.
but what I want to know is and i'm not sure if it was covered in the press announcements, say you continue using your gen2 device, will all new upcoming wp8 apps stop working altogether?
for instance what if instagram, pandora, words with friends (which i know is coming) although engineered and designed for wp8 because yes i know its being rewritten differently, will they not work at all on wp7.8?
that's my semi concern, since they were finally able to hspl my titan and once the wp8 sdk (is that what it's called?) gets dumped and chefs get their hands on it, will it only be a matter of time before it is ported to our handsets as well?
I think what msft should have made absolutely clear and i'm not sure if they covered it or if i missed something, if they said "continue using your 7.8 device all apps written in the future will be usable on these devices" if that's the case people shouldn't worry and simply wait for their 2 year carrier contracts to expire and finally upgrade.
the only thing that prevents me from keeping my titan for long term use is that i really really need expandable storage.
@pvt_nemesis: Every single OS or firmware update has the same risk of breaking ("bricking" is a little strong, since it's technically recoverable, but people seem to use the term less strictly these days) a phone as the full kernel flash that you're talking about. There's nothing magical about an OS kernel. The WP7 kernel has almost certainly been replaced at least once by an update already (I'm pretty sure Mango updated part of the kernel).
Cooking a custom ROM of WP8 for WP7 hardware will mostly depend on the availability of drivers, I think. Unlike the current custom ROMs, which take their drivers from current ROMs, the switch from CE to NT will make all the WP7 drivers useless for WP8 ROMs. Therefore, we'll need WP8 (NT-on-ARM) drivers for the hardware of out WP7 devices... and there's no guarantee that it'll be available. It might, though.