first of all, I didn't know where to put this, maybe it should have gone in the windows mobile forums?
I'm generally a dedicated android user, and now it's time for me to get a new phone.
I'm on at&t so my first choice was the captivate, otherwise I might go for an unlocked tmobile phone.
but then I realized that people have been getting their winmo phones to boot android.
it's be really cool to have both os, even on my pc I dualboot Windows7 and Ubuntu
do any of them do this well?
If I were to get a winmo phone based on it's ability to boot android which one would you suggest? or should I stick to a all-android handset?
note: the phone has to be GSM
A Winmo phone is not going to run android as well as a native android phone. Android ports always have issues... battery life isn't as good, certain features or hardware don't work, etc. If you're gonna use android full-time, i'd stick with an android phone. If you really want to run both on the same device then the HD2 is your best bet. It runs android very well for a non-android phone. But if you're going to stay on AT&T you will want to get the expensive austrailian 9193 HD2 if you want to have 3g. That will set you back $800. You can get the T-Mobile US version and unlock it, but you won't get 3g speeds on at&t.
I wouldn't bother getting a new Windows Mobile phone at the moment, as much as I have been a loyal WM user. WM6 is outdated, and a lame duck with Windows Phone 7 coming in October, with support from software developers dropping. If you are really curious about WM, you might wait until October and see if MS's big promises pay off, and if they can really compete with Apple and Android.
If I had to get a new phone right now, I'd get an Android. As already mentioned, a phone running an Android port is never going to work as well as a phone which runs Android natively. Its a good way to experience Android, and get some new life out of your phone, if you already own a WM device (and the hard work of the developers is greatly appreciated). But I wouldn't consider it a true "dual boot" situation.
Thanks for the info, I guess I'll probably get a stock android.
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First of all excuse any horrible grammar typing issues im getting use to a netbook with my huge ass fingers .
Anyways next month my contract with ATT is up thank god! Im moving over to sprint due to better 3g coverage and soon to be 4g in my area! Also ATT is just greedy im going to get so much more with sprint!
Im trying to get a phone that will make me happy! Also i want to develop software for it ive been desktop programming for years but making some apps on a mobile seems like it may be very fun and net some money especially on the right platform!
I currently own an ATT fuze (touch pro1) before that i had a tilt (TyTan II). I know winmo very well been using it since the ipaq 3650, about 10 years ago. I love winmo for many reasons, especially ports of all the old school games from when i was a kid like quake and duke3d! I also love almost all software is free. But Ive come to the conclusion though that i hate winmo on my phone, just do, i think its bulky and slow and glitchee. Winmo is sorda like a pda first to me then a phone second. I want something thats also a nice phone! Something i dont need the stylus for ever!
So i had my heart set on a samsung moment. I recently started running XDAndroid on my touch pro. Im in love with it. I love the OS but i do have some problems with XDAndroid it as it is right now. It kills my battery, theres no speach texting(my rommies moto has this, shes running 2.1 too), the gps, blutooth, and camera dont work, nor does the 3d acceleration.
So heres my question if im patient will XD be full featured and have better battery life? Im thinking about getting a touch pro 2 when i switch to sprint now. I want android as my primary OS, but i think it would be nice to also have access to winmo as its been a piece of me for so long. The sad thing is i know winmo 7 is coming out looks great but its a whole revamp and MS wants to dictate to the hardware vendors everything down to the button layout (i hate this, its going to be like an iphone no vendor customization), so im assuming that a touch pro 2 will never get an offical release of winmo7 and may not even meet the hardware requirments?
The whole reason i want the TP2 is in hopes that Android will run flawlessy on it with all the same features as a native phone, and that i will be able to update the tp2 to windows7 since it will make all other winmo phones obselete the day it comes out.
The whole reason i want android is becuase i belive its much better than the current winmo phones. I also belive its a better platform to jump on the band wagon for, as far as writing apps. I truly believe android will surpass the iphone in a few years. This is a really solid platform to get involved with.
So TP2 or Samsung moment? If i put all may cards on a flawless version of XDAndroid with all are hardware working and the battery life and freezing issues resloved will i be let down? Also will i be let down if i want my tp2 to run winmo7? Basically im going to the moment if the TP2 cant run winmo7 and if XDAndroid will never be as perfect as a native android device. The moment also has an 800mhz cpu and an AMOLED screen which in my opion is better hardware than the TP2.
Go for Rhodium definitely!!
Great Android work is being done
Let go on WinMo, I know I will be with my next device. I just can't see any point in holding on.
Go Android for sure.
Well i am letting go of winmo for the most part! But my point if anyone knows if XDAndroid will be flawless soon and support all the hardware and rohdium will will go to winmo7 then in all reality the tp2 my be a better device because it will be capable of running any of the os's . If XDanroid wont be perfect netime soon and the tp cant do winmo7 then theres no reason for me to buy it becuase i want android in full working order and the hardware in the samsung is alot better than rohdiums right now.
I am loving the CM7 ROM for the Glacier and wouldn't mind keeping it for as long as I own this handset. As someone curious about the new Windows OS however, I was wondering if it's possible to create a version of the ROM for this phone. I noticed the HTC HD2 seems to be able to run Windows Mobile and Android just fine. Is it just a lucky fluke that it's hardware is compatible with both OS builds?
It is definitely possible for an WP7 ROM, but highly unlikely. The reason the HD2 got so much love is Because WinMo sucks arse cheeks. As a stock phone the MT4G is a great phone, but most of the people who frequent this site want the latest and greatest so that is why you see a lot of ROMs for android.
I can't speak for everyone on this site, IMO it won't happen.
The HD2 was also shipped with windows mobile to begin with, while maybe not the same versionI think it is frowned on a bit less than if you were to take a open device and put a closed os on it. That would be pretty much like buying computer parts real cheap putting the computer together and then stealing (pirating) a copy of windows 7 to put on the hdd, rather than buying the license properly.
So what I am saying I guess is it is not wither the hardware can handle it,which I see no reason it couldn't with driver tweaking. It is more the legality of it and that pirating is not allowed here!
I appreciate the reply. This is actually the first generation of Windows Mobile that even has me interested in taking it for a test drive. All of the previous versions reminded me of a poor version of the desktop OS.
My only interest in it s the gaming aspect, Android continuously disappointments me with the gaming options.
the only reason why HD2 is able to do WM7 and android is because, WM7 has the same type of architecture setup and the android is running off the SD card via Linux overlay. and honestly i used the HD2 for a bit for android and its a bit of a mess. they might come out with WM7 on MT4G but i dont think gaming will be any better on WM7.
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My only interest in it s the gaming aspect, Android continuously disappointments me with the gaming options.
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Just wait until the PSP Androids take off...
No way MT4G will get windows rom.
The reason HD2 got Android and WP7 running because it is exactly the same phone as Evo and HD7 so porting was relatively easy. MT4G has different processor then any current WP7 phones and this processor is not supported by WP7.
I myself would be very interested in a windows phone port. just so I can change to WP7, watch some netflix, then switch back to android when I'm done.
I doubt it. U might have to pick up an HD2 if u want to dual boot Windows 7 and Android. U can find them for cheap on craigslist these days because most users who don't hack their phones, seemingly can't see the potential in HD2s. They are very good phones once u stray away from windows 6.5 IMO
I think the reason why the developers spend about 5 months trying to make the port to the HD2 was because one windows mobile is obsolete, second the fact that Microsoft and HTC were not going to update HD2 to WP7 because of Microsoft's lame excuse of the fact that the device had to many buttons BS! and lastly when the HD7 came out everyone was pissed to the fact that the HD7 was an exact replica (hardware) of the HD2's. I have WP7 on my HD2 it runs perfect with no bugs at all, but coming from android IMO is a bit boring OS as its not open source as android.
Now WP7 on the MT4G will never happen. I don't think developers such as Cotulla will try to spend months once again on trying to port WP7 to another device I think they were just trying to prove a point and they did
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I doubt it. U might have to pick up an HD2 if u want to dual boot Windows 7 and Android. U can find them for cheap on craigslist these days because most users who don't hack their phones, seemingly can't see the potential in HD2s. They are very good phones once u stray away from windows 6.5 IMO
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This is super true
I honestly had no idea of how much support exists for this device until my Uncle asked me to put Android on his...
I was like ... I don't think I could do that, unk..
But it was actually pretty easy, almost too easy. Makes me want to grab one for a cheap tinker toy to fit right nicely into the tiny gap between my MT4G and my NookColor.
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the only reason why HD2 is able to do WM7 and android is because, WM7 has the same type of architecture setup and the android is running off the SD card via Linux overlay. and honestly i used the HD2 for a bit for android and its a bit of a mess. they might come out with WM7 on MT4G but i dont think gaming will be any better on WM7.
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I would agree partially. I have an HD2 as well as the MT4G. MDJs CM7 runs flawfless on the HD2! I will never flash any other rom for it unless he has updates. Its so smooth and snappy you would never believe the HD2 wasn't an Android device. The beauty of it is that, with MDJs CM7 rom, the HD2 battery life puts the MT4G to shame. 1-2ma battery drain on standby! Best backup phone ever!
You can get a home screen app on the market that "trys" to simulate a windows 7 fone but is lacking in features =\ BoL
Currently I'm running a DVP (windows 7 phone) and I do love it but i've been considering loaning it to my gf and getting myself another phone.
I have no experience with android phones or software so i'm not 100% sure what I should be looking at for a phone.
What I do know is that the phone has to be able to use the t-mobile 1700/2100 frequencies for the carrier I am using here in Canada. I would like a physical keyboard but they are becoming very rare. I also want the ability to tether to my laptop and be able to upgrade the memory past 32gig. As well as ability to use any cooked ROM people make. I guess pretty much a mini PC, just like my HTC touch pro 2 has always been.
Where should i be looking as far as phones are concerned? What is the best phone? Should i be waiting for all phones to run android 3.0? WHat should I be looking at here, and if i'm going to bring a phone up from the states I expect i'm going to have to pay so not worried about the cost at this point.
thx
What is the best and most powerful android phone on the market?
i do like the phone and partially like win7 mobile but i was wanting to run android ive tried the info but i cannot get anything to work.
htc 7 pro mobile running wm7
also reading some articles im scared to update what is best and safe for this phone i have stock firmware never updated as of new.
thanks
You cannot run Android on Windows Phone. End of story.
well how are others running android , its not impossible from what ive read. your a bit defeatist lmaO.
if wp7 can run Android, we would have run both on our device.
Actually due to wp7s locked down nature it could not, within reason, dual-boot. You could certainly port android to it given the time but you couldn't jump the android partition from wp7. I suppose it may be possible to flash android onto it (terrible is that it is) and create something to launch the wp7 partition from there but even then it's highly unlikely. There are a few devices supposedly dual-booting over in China but I would be more likely to bet that they're just generic hd7s and needed a free is to use. Regardless, its not happening any time soon and I don't know why you'd want that bug infested laggy garbage on your phone anyway.
they got the HD7 running Android.. and that's it.. pretty much because it is identical to the HD2.. which has been hacked to run android for a long time.
it might be possible for other HTC phones now that they're able to do custom roms.. but there are no guarantees.
If you wanted an android device, why didn't you just buy an android?
they have better hardware available and more flexible software..
I have seen this done with the HD2. I have the trophy and wondering if anyone has tried the same process, but with a trophy and not an HD2. I would like to get Android running on my trophy. Hopefully working with a ICS ROM if possible. So has anyone got this work with the same method or maybe a different one?
As opposed to running Android from what, RAM? NAND is just Flash memory (technically it also comes in NOR, but that's only used for low-capacity, very-fast-access memory; KB and MB, not MBs and GBs).
I don't believe anybody has the drivers for the Trophy on Android yet. It might be possible to build a working Android ROM, but if what you really wanted was Android, why get a Windows phone? Anyhow, if I can get HaRET working on WP7, that might help. Don't hold your breath, though - most people developing stuff for the Trophy aren't going to be Android enthusiasts, or they wouldn't be targeting the Trophy in the first place.
If you wanted an Android phone, you should have gotten one in the first place. I admit, it would be nice to dual-boot Android and Windows Phone, but I doubt it's happening soon, because developing a custom ROM for Android is not easy.
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As opposed to running Android from what, RAM? NAND is just Flash memory (technically it also comes in NOR, but that's only used for low-capacity, very-fast-access memory; KB and MB, not MBs and GBs).
I don't believe anybody has the drivers for the Trophy on Android yet. It might be possible to build a working Android ROM, but if what you really wanted was Android, why get a Windows phone? Anyhow, if I can get HaRET working on WP7, that might help. Don't hold your breath, though - most people developing stuff for the Trophy aren't going to be Android enthusiasts, or they wouldn't be targeting the Trophy in the first place.
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Yes, running it from the RAM is what I ment so it boots into Android as a native feel. The reason I got a WP7 at first was because it looked cool and a good start for Microsoft, but as I came to found out there are almost no apps coming to WP7 and as I wait none ever do. The development for the OS is just not there. I see the Trophy isn't ever being developed much as I have notice which why I ask if anyone had it working before I tried it. I saw that the Trophy can have HSPL installed which is a good step.
I was being sarcastic. Booting from RAM makes no sense at all, unless you're using a virtual machine. RAM on the phone is just like RAM on the PC; you can't boot an OS straight from RAM because RAM doesn't hold any data when the device powers off. Botting "from NAND" is just booting from the phone's equivalent of a hard drive; its internal Flash storage.
As for apps, the WP7 Marketplace is growing very quickly. What are you looking for that you aren't finding? There are also many custom ROMs, especially for fisrt-gen HTC devices like the Trophy. They offer features that aren't possible on the stock ROM due to Microsoft's limitations on what can be changed.
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I was being sarcastic. Booting from RAM makes no sense at all, unless you're using a virtual machine. RAM on the phone is just like RAM on the PC; you can't boot an OS straight from RAM because RAM doesn't hold any data when the device powers off. Botting "from NAND" is just booting from the phone's equivalent of a hard drive; its internal Flash storage.
As for apps, the WP7 Marketplace is growing very quickly. What are you looking for that you aren't finding? There are also many custom ROMs, especially for fisrt-gen HTC devices like the Trophy. They offer features that aren't possible on the stock ROM due to Microsoft's limitations on what can be changed.
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Oh ok. I was getting confused I saw another post like this a long time ago which I think you can still find if you search "android rom on htc trophy" and some guy mentions booting from RAM and you saying that got me all confused. Anyway, there are quite a few things thar aren't on WP7 like the popular game temple run, angry birds is hardly updated same with many others. Twitter app hasn't been updated in ages. I also have problems as all my music is controlled on Google same with my social networks as I use Google+ and twitter. My mail is on google, my YouTube, documents, photos just about everything. I also use Ubuntu so no Zune for me. Unless I use a VM which I rather not have to use.
Yeah... I hate to say it, but you're so far from the target market for Windows Phone it's kind of funny. I try to promote the platform to people whenever possible, but recommending Windows Phone to you sounds like recommending a steakhouse to a vegan.
Getting Android running on the Trophy may happen at some point, but I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. There are few enough serious hackers working on WP7 (compared to other platforms - like anything else, the low market popularity of WP7 doesn't help here) to imagine very many of them seriously trying to come up with a way to get people *off* of WP7.
That said, there is some hope. For example, the HaRET project (which I'm trying to enable on WP7) allows booting a Linux kernel within a running WP7 device. You're probably not going to be able to boot a full Android eperience there, but the goal is to enable use of a bunch of reverse engineering tools. Those in turn may be usable in an effort to port Android.
The fact that the HD2 can run 5 or so different OSes does suggest that it's possible to do so, but it's also very much the exception that proves the rule (in the correct meaning; the fact that people point this out about the HD2 indicates that the HD2 is an exception to the general rule that mobile devices don't multi-boot).
It looks like the Trophy has the same chipset (QSD8250) as the HD2 and Nexus One, so you're off to a very good start there. You may want to look into how they where able to port it to the HD2 and maybe ask some of the people who worked on it if they would be willing to help with the Trophy as well.
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Yeah... I hate to say it, but you're so far from the target market for Windows Phone it's kind of funny. I try to promote the platform to people whenever possible, but recommending Windows Phone to you sounds like recommending a steakhouse to a vegan.
Getting Android running on the Trophy may happen at some point, but I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. There are few enough serious hackers working on WP7 (compared to other platforms - like anything else, the low market popularity of WP7 doesn't help here) to imagine very many of them seriously trying to come up with a way to get people *off* of WP7.
That said, there is some hope. For example, the HaRET project (which I'm trying to enable on WP7) allows booting a Linux kernel within a running WP7 device. You're probably not going to be able to boot a full Android eperience there, but the goal is to enable use of a bunch of reverse engineering tools. Those in turn may be usable in an effort to port Android.
The fact that the HD2 can run 5 or so different OSes does suggest that it's possible to do so, but it's also very much the exception that proves the rule (in the correct meaning; the fact that people point this out about the HD2 indicates that the HD2 is an exception to the general rule that mobile devices don't multi-boot).
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I have and still do get to try to get people on WP7, but as you may no they all have their heads in their asses with their precious iPhones. Everyone I seem to talk to likes the look of WP7, but still continue to buy iPhones. It's also disappointing that the Trophy is the only WP7 on Verizon. Anyway by the time my contract is up maybe WP7 will get more popular and more varity and I can choose to stay with it, but if not I'll probably move to Android. But seeing the HD2 running different OSes is a good sign as you said. Good luck with HaRET as well maybe we'll see something in the future.
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It looks like the Trophy has the same chipset (QSD8250) as the HD2 and Nexus One, so you're off to a very good start there. You may want to look into how they where able to port it to the HD2 and maybe ask some of the people who worked on it if they would be willing to help with the Trophy as well.
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I heard that as well. Considering that HSPL installs on Trophy would magldr install on the Trophy? Nothing mentions the Trophy with magldr. Dunno something's to find out I guess.