I'm on AT&T now, and thinking about ditching the iPhone for a Sensation, which would need to be a Canadian version to support the AT&T 3G bands.
I looked all over this forum, and while there's many threads detailing the operating frequencies for 3G on Sensation, I am still unclear on one point: will the Bell / Virgin Canada version work on the UK GSM networks' 3G?
Similarly, if I went with T-Mobile in the US - would the Sensation 4G sold by T-Mo support 3G in the UK?
Many thanks.
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Will the i9020A version of the Nexus S (which is I think the model sold by Koodo Mobile in Canada) get 3G connection on the AWS spectrum used by Mobilicity? (I believe this should be the same as TMobile)?
Also, is there such a thing as a carrier locked Nexus S? I want to buy the Koodo Mobile Nexus S for $425 off contract (cheapest I can find), but I want to use it on the Mobilicity network. Will I need to carrier unlock the device somehow? I can't seem to find any "unlock Nexus S" sources, so I assume this is unnecessary?
The more I look into this issue, the more confused I get. A lot of places say the Nexus S is quad-band GSM + AWS, so doesn't that mean I should be able to get 3G from anywhere? The FAQ on this forum states that the original Nexus S can only get 3G speeds on TMobile's AWS band--conversely, does that then mean that the new "AT&T" Nexus S phones can't get 3G speeds on AWS? i.e. Do I need to buy a phone from an AWS carrier to get 3G?
Blindsight51 said:
Will the i9020A version of the Nexus S (which is I think the model sold by Koodo Mobile in Canada) get 3G connection on the AWS spectrum used by Mobilicity? (I believe this should be the same as TMobile)?
Also, is there such a thing as a carrier locked Nexus S? I want to buy the Koodo Mobile Nexus S for $425 off contract (cheapest I can find), but I want to use it on the Mobilicity network. Will I need to carrier unlock the device somehow? I can't seem to find any "unlock Nexus S" sources, so I assume this is unnecessary?
The more I look into this issue, the more confused I get. A lot of places say the Nexus S is quad-band GSM + AWS, so doesn't that mean I should be able to get 3G from anywhere? The FAQ on this forum states that the original Nexus S can only get 3G speeds on TMobile's AWS band--conversely, does that then mean that the new "AT&T" Nexus S phones can't get 3G speeds on AWS? i.e. Do I need to buy a phone from an AWS carrier to get 3G?
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I am in canada, just bought NS finally, that too from Koodo, and it is an Unlocked Rogers/AT&T/Bell/Telus/Fido compatible version. Not to mention it will work with any other bands in the world except the situation Wind/Mobilicity have.
Their phone system is not backwards compatible, they came out in the market just about 2 years ago, they started off with 3G/3.5G straight where Rogers initially started with Standard, moved on to Edge/2G/2.5G and upgraded themselves to 3G and eventually 3.5G, same goes for Telus/Bell/Fido.
If you purchase any of Wind/Mobilicity phone, they will be compatible with any other careers in the world, but you will not get 3G if tried on UMTS. Their phones will only work on the AWS 3G frequency. Which in case means if you bought wind/mobilicity compatible phone, you will get 2G/Edge on Rogers.
Other way around - Koodo phone with Wind/Mobilicity SIM - will give you Wind/Mobilicity Away network only, means it is useless for you. The only phone in canadian market works with Rogers and Wind 3G frequency is Nokia N8 which is a Pentaband phone. Nexus S on the other hand is a Quadband phone, and is made specifically for the career, thats why we have 3/4 different versions, AWS, UMTS, 4G to work with Sprint in US and i guess there is one other model for India and China as well.
All the Nexus S variants come unlocked, outright or on contract, as its a Google's own baby and they don't lock it except the bootloader.
I bought mine with Koodo from Future Shop as it is listed as not an outright sale on Koodo's website, but FS and BBY do sell them outright. It is unlocked out of the box, just pop your SIM in and you are good to go assuming you are going to go with Rogers/Bell/Telus/Koodo/Fido.
My two cents, go with Wind, they offer you wind tab, pay 350 + tax and use the phone to pay the rest of the money with wind tab and you are set if you really want Wind compatible phone.
I had the same problem and dilemma like you as I had a Desire Z with Bell and wanted to use it on Wind, ended up trading it with G2 from T-Mobile and used Wind mobile 3G network and Rogers 2G/Edge network up until now(I am with Rogers and have got a better deal with them for data, so no need to carry two phones on me anymore )
Hope this helps.
CreativeDevil
Blindsight51 said:
Will the i9020A version of the Nexus S (which is I think the model sold by Koodo Mobile in Canada) get 3G connection on the AWS spectrum used by Mobilicity? (I believe this should be the same as TMobile)?
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it will not work
you need i9020T not A
AWS only comes on the i9020T
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I am in canada, just bought NS finally, that too from Koodo, and it is ...
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Hope this helps.
CreativeDevil
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Thanks so much. That explains it very clearly. I guess I'll need to shell out a bit extra and get a phone from Wind or Mobilicity.
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Go for it bud... u wont regret...
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I have heard there are 2 version of HTC Sensation? one is the 4G and the other is the normal. Are the 4G available online somewhere? or have to get it in Australia??
AFAIK should be available in Canada by now (Bell/Virgin).
http://www.htc.com/ca/products/sensation4g-virgin-mobile?view=1-1&sort=0#tech-specs
http://www.htc.com/ca/products/sensation4g-bell?view=1-1&sort=0#tech-specs
What are your umts frequencies in Australia?
Europe has 900/2100:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/sensation/specification.html
Both are the exact same phone. the 4G is what North America is calling it. Don't know if it's in Australia yet. I'm guessing you use the same bands as AT&T in the US uses (Telstra?) so if you want one that would work on the 850 band you'd have to pick up the Canadian version just released by Bell
Sorry - just noticed the Q & A section...
I placed an order with an Amazon UK seller and have received a branded T-Mobile Sensation 4G model - I was expecting a UK model which this is clearly not.
Should I be worried? I'd welcome any comments on:
Warranty - valid with HTC or only via the seller? 2 Years?
3G and 4G bands? Will it work as a HSDPA connected 3G phone here in Europe? Have I actually got a more capable phone with more network bands that I would have for a UK model? It appears so from this: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3922&idPhone2=3875
Any comments welcome. The price was good at £434.20 incl P&P and this is SIM free.
If you can put up with the T-Mobile branding/waiting for OS updates then keep it. Personally, I'd send it back and pay the extra for a genuine unbranded EU model
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If you can put up with the T-Mobile branding/waiting for OS updates then keep it. Personally, I'd send it back and pay the extra for a genuine unbranded EU model
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Hadn't thought about the software. I assume, as we are all, that the Sensation will soon be able to be updated with XDA Dev ROMs. If so there should be no difference then? But would the radio inside this phone currently be optimised for the US T-Mobile network? I know that lots of people seem to think radios version suitability depends upon where you are - I wonder if the radios in US 4G Sensations are different to the ones here in the UK
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Sorry - just noticed the Q & A section...
I placed an order with an Amazon UK seller and have received a branded T-Mobile Sensation 4G model - I was expecting a UK model which this is clearly not.
Should I be worried? I'd welcome any comments on:
Warranty - valid with HTC or only via the seller? 2 Years?
3G and 4G bands? Will it work as a HSDPA connected 3G phone here in Europe? Have I actually got a more capable phone with more network bands that I would have for a UK model? It appears so from this: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3922&idPhone2=3875
Any comments welcome. The price was good at £434.20 incl P&P and this is SIM free.
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It's not about Euro model 3G capable or US model 4G capable. The Europe/Asia model Z710e is capable of 4G too. It depends on your network provider if they have enabled HSPA+(4G).
T-Mobile I'm pretty sure they run mostly on the 2100MHz band (in USA they do) and they have been upgrading their network equipment to enable HSPA+(4G).
T-Mobile I'm pretty sure they run mostly on the 2100MHz band...
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Well, not exactly. TMOUS uses UMTS band IV (1700/2100). Not UMTS band I, which is what people generally mean when talking about 2100 Mhz. They are different. Most of Europe uses UMTS band I and/or UMTS band VIII (900). 4g/3g is irrelevant here since it is only a marketing term in this instance, as shadowboy23 said. They are both capable of the same speeds on the same networks.
Now, I have not seen definitive specs yet for the TMOUS version. T-Mobile says it is UMTS I and IV, but the box it comes in says I, II, and IV. No mention of band VIII. If I were you, I would return it and get the European version, since it has band VIII, which you may or may not need, depending on your area.
Just curious - what is listed on your box for band support?
Tmobile HTC sensation 4g box says..
Umts 1700,1900,2100
Correct me is I am wrong, but the UK uses 2100 up and down? Best for the op to call service provider and confirm what band they use for data service.
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Hi all, im very new to XDA & have no knowledge of bandwidths. I just recently bought a HTC Sensation (not sure what model, but it was from a local guy). Had it unlocked so i can use it with my ATT plan. every thing was working fine except i had no data & couldnt send/recieve MMS. When first turned on, there was no APN settings on the phone, so i applied the settings stated in the thread APN settings for unlocked Sensation on ATT by mekajt7 on 09/05/11. Now i have data & MMS is working fine execpt my data is only 2G??
If there's anyone out there with more extensive knowledge regarding this topic, or how to get my phone to pick up 3G?? pleeeeeese leave a reply.
ive spent hours online reading about the bandwidths & ive been getting mixed results.... some said yes, it should work & most said no.
I'm in need of some answers
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the only way an sensation can pick up att 3g signals is if you buy one from canada made for their bell carrier. other then that all you can get is edge. if you want 3g or even better, 4g and be in the usa, you need tmobile
thanks for the reply kpholmes. yea, that's the same thing ive been getting from reading online for 4 hours. do you or anyone else reading know the model number for T-Mo's version vs. Bell's version???
i know it's 710a or 710e. but which is which??
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thanks for the reply kpholmes. yea, that's the same thing ive been getting from reading online for 4 hours. do you or anyone else reading know the model number for T-Mo's version vs. Bell's version???
i know it's 710a or 710e. but which is which??
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The Z710a is the North American (NAM) version sold by Canadian carriers and it supports the 850/1900/2100 3G bands that AT&T uses.
The Z710e supports the European and T-Mobile 3G bands.
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The Z710a is the North American (NAM) version sold by Canadian carriers and it supports the 850/1900/2100 3G bands that AT&T uses.
The Z710e supports the European and T-Mobile 3G bands.
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so, T-Mo's is neither of these?? or is it the Z710e??
im just trying to get the model's correctly identified
thanks for the reply
T-mo is the same as european and asian version, it wont work with at&t 3G which is probably what you have. You need to get the canadian sensation from bell or virgin mobile model number z710a. If you look at settings>>about phone>>phone identity, the model number of your phone should be there. If it is z710e, then you are out of luck.
So the Canadian version can use 3G on AT&T? And 4G?
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So the Canadian version can use 3G on AT&T? And 4G?
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Yes the Canadian version can use AT&T 3G and HSPA+ network.
I have both the T-Mobile and the international unlocked version. I have the latter because, in my excitement, I didn't take care to find out if it will work on T-Mobile's 3G speeds. To my dismay, it doesn't, and I have an extra phone.
I'm wondering if it will work on any other carrier's 3G/4G data speeds. Searching forums and support threads haven't gotten me any answers. Any help at all would be appreciated.
I bought mine in Britain and am using it quite happily here in Japan. T-Mobile USA has a relatively rare frequency band internationally; I think as long as you have 2100MHz and 900MHz bands, which this phone has, there should be an operator in almost every country that the phone will work on. In fact, it should work on most operators in most countries.
The phone has 850/900/2100 MHz bands for 3G; T-Mobile runs "4G" (actually 3G) on 1700/2100 aka AWS - this requires BOTH bands to be present in the phone, which is why the One S doesn't work. T-Mo USA also has 1900MHz, again not present in the One S. Can you get EDGE 2G data, which should be possible on 850MHz?
In the USA, it should work on AT&T, as they use 850MHz for 3G. Maybe you can find someone who will lend you a SIM to check it.
In Europe & Asia, it should generally work no problem.