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[Q] Optimum "LOW" setting for performance based overclocking

I am loving my Android experience so far coming from and iPhone 4. I am running LeeDroid and have been playing around a lot with SetCPU. At this time, I am not concerned about battery as of yet. I am asking this question in regard to optimal, blazing fast performance with minimal hiccups.
I have done Quadrant testing at various min/max CPU levels. I had excellent results at 1804 high 904 min. However I had to yank the battery after not being able to unlock the device.
For profiles, real basic, again I am not concerned about battery charge life ATM. I have it set to revert to stock performace (1036/245) if the battery temp reaches 100F.
With the screen locked, I have it set to 499/245. All of my settings are using the "ondemand".
I would like to know what an ideal minimum is for PERFORMANCE as well as ideal max (1804? Highest might not always be fastest?). I got amazing results with Quadrant full benchmark with settings of 1804/499. This also caused a lockup when trying to unlock the device though. Maybe because there was a conflict with my lockscreen max setting? I would think the app would put priority to the lock profile though.
Also, does this phone have a built in CPU temperature sensor that I could utilize with a CPU temp widget?
Thanks for reading my lengthy ramblings.
Ray

Not all Processors are created equal and therefore some can OC to 1900+ and some cant overclock at all. Most will be in between. Sounds like you are over doing it. I clock mine to about 1400 when charging. I have had it to 1700 without an issue at all, but I don't find a need to be faster then 1400. When screen is off I actually tell it to go to 250MHz. Sometimes its alittle slow to "wake". But it saves mucho battery. When just on battery I am running at about 1250. Been this way for about 3 weeks. Not an issue.
I have never had to yank my battery and quite frankly if I did I would never run it that high again. You are going to burn it up running it at that speed. Nothing over 1500 for extended periods. 1800+ for showing off maybe? But that's kinda dumb too.
I have not read about any built in temp thing so can't really answer that.

I don't know what kind of power hungry apps you guys are running, but I run mine underclocked to 906MHz. Snappy as ever.

About CPU

Hi. My question us what CPU speed can I use before the desire s takes damage? Thanks
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Would not go over 1200mhz for general use but in the end it comes down to heat and chip quality. Some chips will run faster and produce less heat then others, you'll have to test yours! Don't over volt even if it is possible?
That's about all I can give you on the matter.
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um... just a quick question... why do You need more power? I mean what for??
n64 and psx emulators - full speed, gameloft's dungeon hunter 2 and rainbow six - smooth as my wifes ass, all the flash movies on web or divx offline - no problem, general use - as good as gingerbread can deliver.
I was thinking about which dual core beast shall I buy and ended up with this pocketable and powerful beauty.
... back to the topic - I wouldn't overclock it over 1.5 ghz, even then only for demanding tasks. battery life would decrease as well and I wouldn't trade that for a bit more fps.

Okay. Thank you guys
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bronx said:
um... just a quick question... why do You need more power? I mean what for??
n64 and psx emulators - full speed, gameloft's dungeon hunter 2 and rainbow six - smooth as my wifes ass, all the flash movies on web or divx offline - no problem, general use - as good as gingerbread can deliver.
I was thinking about which dual core beast shall I buy and ended up with this pocketable and powerful beauty.
... back to the topic - I wouldn't overclock it over 1.5 ghz, even then only for demanding tasks. battery life would decrease as well and I wouldn't trade that for a bit more fps.
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Good response, I bought a Desire S recently too and feared the "single core" 1 GHz CPU wouldn't be much faster than my Legend clocked at 768 MHz, after all it is only 232 MHz difference. Couldn't have been more wrong. The phone is a beast.

1.2 ghz is a good speed if you wanna overclock (& also this speed is more than enough)
1.4-1.5 ghz is the limit, anything more than that is very unstable and can cause damage to your cpu

Hey guys. I have a Desire HD. Although they're different phones, i'm sure the internals are almost exactly the same, bar few differences. As such, the cpu should also be the same. I tried out different cpu speeds. I kept my phone at 1.72ghz for a couple of weeks. The phone got pretty hot when using Wifi and such, but didn't get too hot. I'd say the safe point is 1.5ghz but at the stock voltage. Works for me, should work for you guys too I can get 1.7ghz at 1325mv, which is good enough for me I didn't get random crashes etc. My persona highest on this phone was around 2.1 ghz, which was insanely high, the phone was super fast, but got hot blazing hot and the phone started flashing orange led lights and then shut down for like 10 minutes straight. I thought it was gone but...nope, was lucky thank god LOL
Always be careful. If you have insurance, then go ahead and by all means clock the hell out of it if you don't mind a decrease in battery life. But if you have no insurance, and bought it sim-free...i'd suggest 1.3ghz...better be safe than sorry, wouldn't you agree?

the phone started flashing orange led lights and then shut down for like 10 minutes straight. I thought it was gone but...nope, was lucky thank god LOL
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Haha, bet that was a ball-shrinking moment. Made me laugh reading it.
But seriously, considering the potential damage & the native performance of the DS you wouldn't want to go crazy really.
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Hi!
I succesfully overclocked my DS to 1,5GHz(first to 1,3GHz, than to 1,4GHz), and it's fully stable with stock voltages. I use virtuous unity 1.29.0, and tweaked the built in OC daemon. Tested with stability test v1.5, and no problems after 30 minutes. Temperature is around 40 C(plugged in, charging, and running stability test).
What do you think, can I use it for 24/7? The temperatures are not high, and the phone is rock stable, so is it safe?
Thanks for answer.

ffodi said:
Hi!
I succesfully overclocked my DS to 1,5GHz(first to 1,3GHz, than to 1,4GHz), and it's fully stable with stock voltages. I use virtuous unity 1.29.0, and tweaked the built in OC daemon. Tested with stability test v1.5, and no problems after 30 minutes. Temperature is around 40 C(plugged in, charging, and running stability test).
What do you think, can I use it for 24/7? The temperatures are not high, and the phone is rock stable, so is it safe?
Thanks for answer.
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why do you need to run it on 1.5ghz? it is very fast at 1.2ghz
& also 1.5ghz will consume more battery & if you put some load on the cpu like a little gaming or a lot of browsing it can get heated up
overclocking more than necessary isnt good as there can be hidden damage to the chip(even if the processor doesn't get heated up)
read post #3 here
so always go easy on the overclocking

kartkk said:
why do you need to run it on 1.5ghz? it is very fast at 1.2ghz
& also 1.5ghz will consume more battery & if you put some load on the cpu like a little gaming or a lot of browsing it can get heated up
overclocking more than necessary isnt good as there can be hidden damage to the chip(even if the processor doesn't get heated up)
read post #3 here
so always go easy on the overclocking
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Thanks for the answer! I overclocked it to 1,5GHz becouse I like it if everything is fast as lightning.
I know it can consume more battery, but it's not a problem for me.
I've read that post, it's useful thanks, but i think if everything is on stock voltage it cant hurt the cpu. I overclock my desktop rig also since ~15 years, and never had problems with that. I know that it's not the same, but I hope there will be no problems with that.

Q)? Pyroice kernels

I saw. 3 kernel.
Slightly. Uv
Midle. Uv
Extremely. Uv
What are the differences. Between. Those. ????
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Saw that too - exciting!
UV is undervolt, which means running the device with less voltage (electricity). Uses less juice, battery lasts longer, and doesn't run as hot.
Depending on what you do with the device and how it's implemented the results could range from awesome battery savings without a reduction in performance to brownouts and having the processor work harder to get the same job done.
If you do a lot of processor intensive stuff ( resource heavy games, for example ) undervolting becomes a harder thing to take advantage of because the processor has to work harder when it gets maxed out.
The fact that tbalden lifted the artificially low 1.2 clock speed and bumped it up to it's rated 1.5 offsets that somewhat.
For most people undervolting is a godsend, because they don't miss that top % of maxed out processor performance.
Also, the greater range of speeds allows you to regulate the speeds of the device using apps (setcpu maybe) which can't set speeds outside of the range the kernel allows.
Tbalden got into what I was trying to before my crazy work schedule hit, and he is doing a whole lot for this device - now I'll be following the trail he's blazing instead of the other way around - win for the MT4GS community when people have time to make fun stuff like this for us to play with.
Haven't had the chance to read up on what he's done with it other then seeing it was there, so this is some general info to get you started with, there's a lot more to be said and I'm sure others will swing by and add to this description.
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Slight is slightly undervolted, meaning it saves less on battery
Middle is around 5% undervolted, meaning around 5% saving in battery drainage
Extremely is 8%
Depending on the quality of your cpu material, it can work on your CPU well, or if it is made of a silicium chip that is less clean then your CPU will say voltage is too low, and phone might reboot. So depending on your device it may or may not work out.
UVing the cpu means no performance decrease. You should find out which kernel is best for your device. Safe is to go from Slight to Middle and then to Extreme if the Middle works out well. If you have reboots, fall back this way: Extreme --> Middle --> Slight
Also, if you dont want to use the Overclock frequency range, use SetCPU or an alternative cpu tool to cap it to your like.

Thanks guy. Now I understad why my phone s batt last longer . I flashed the extremely kernel . And I'm using an anker batt. And adding profiles with set cpu
And I noticed. My battery. Last way longer then before . Even though. I set the main profile of the set cpu to 1.5 hz max. 1.0 hz min. Wich makes the phone run as. My loptop. . Thank u developers
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CPU Tuner - Questions regarding maximum frequencies, profiles, and triggers.

This is my third time typing this... (This website should really have an auto-save draft feature)
I recently installed the application "CPU Tuner" because I've always wanted to utilize my newly rooted phone. The phone is running Cyanogenmod 7.2 Stable, and currently overclocked at 1.5GHz. My main concern is overclocking my phone that high. Now, I didn't really choose that option, SetCPU automatically set it to that when it loaded a configuration. I'm a beginner to overclocking, and this is my first time doing it for anything. I've heard rumors of people melting their processors from overclocking it, so I want to know if it's okay if its overclocked to roughly twice the stock frequency of 800MHz. If it IS safe, then why isn't the phone automatically set to 1GHz to compare to it's twin, the Evo 4G? Or perhaps even 1.2GHz to surpass it? I would definitely be satisfied with 1.2GHz, but I wouldn't mind having 1.5GHz if it was stable and didn't drain the battery. On to the next question, would an OC this high cause instability and/or would it drain my battery? I only overclocked an hour ago, so I haven't experienced any problems whatsoever... yet. On to the profiles... I'd like some suggestions for improving my triggers. Right now, it set everything up to the highest frequency, but looking at the help, it said to not touch the frequency, but experiment with thresholds. In the Help, it doesn't tell you what the thresholds are, and what they do, and more importantly, how they work. It just shows that the highest is the most battery saving. I would have thought the lower the better, but... Anyway, if you could tell me, I'd be highly appreciated it. Finally, the battery temperature... It has an option to enable a setting to change profiles if the battery gets a certain temperature, but I'd like to know what would be considered "Overheating". I get paranoid when the battery temperature gets a little warm at around 36 Celsius... but the profile it switches to is supposed to really slow down the CPU to preserve battery, so I'd really rather not use it unless it's necessary. So, would 45 - 50 Celsius do, or should I set it a bit lower? My battery is 4000+ mV, if that'd help at all. If you know any sources that you can direct me to that would answer my questions, it'd be highly appreciated.

Wow ok . Well first off check out THIS thread. It will explain a lot about Governors, I/O Schedulers, and a bunch of the questions you have. As for people melting CPUs, I've never actually seen it happen, or know anyone who has had it happen on the Shift. That's not to say it's not possible. It may be, just not probable. The Shift processor compared to the OG EVO's is much better. The Shift even at the stock 800mHz out performs the EVO's processor at 1000mHz. That is in part because it is a 2nd Gen processor vs the EVO's 1st Gen Unit. The Battery Temp should try and always be kept below 115-120 Degrees Fahrenheit. I use SetCPU, and have a Profile that kicks in to lower the OC to around Stock should the Battery Temp every reach 110 Degrees Fahrenheit. My setting are 61mHz Min 1516mHz Max, Smartass V2 Governor, and SIO Scheduler. But every device is different, so your going to have to do a bit of experimenting till you find what works for you. If you get a lot of Random Reboots, lower your Max OC setting, or try a different Governor. BTW where did you get a 4000mAh Battery?

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Wow ok . Well first off check out THIS thread. It will explain a lot about Governors, I/O Schedulers, and a bunch of the questions you have. As for people melting CPUs, I've never actually seen it happen, or know anyone who has had it happen on the Shift. That's not to say it's not possible. It may be, just not probable. The Shift processor compared to the OG EVO's is much better. The Shift even at the stock 800mHz out performs the EVO's processor at 1000mHz. That is in part because it is a 2nd Gen processor vs the EVO's 1st Gen Unit. The Battery Temp should try and always be kept below 115-120 Degrees Fahrenheit. I use SetCPU, and have a Profile that kicks in to lower the OC to around Stock should the Battery Temp every reach 110 Degrees Fahrenheit. My setting are 61mHz Min 1516mHz Max, Smartass V2 Governor, and SIO Scheduler. But every device is different, so your going to have to do a bit of experimenting till you find what works for you. If you get a lot of Random Reboots, lower your Max OC setting, or try a different Governor. BTW where did you get a 4000mAh Battery?
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Thanks for the response. It's pretty late, so I've bookmarked the link to read tomorrow. Alright, so 45 degrees Celsius should the maximum then. I've been thinking of switching over to SetCPU, since there are more comprehensive guides than for CPU Tuner (In which no one seems to have heard about), and it doesn't seem that the settings it set will be ideal for the long run. Although, before I switch over to SetCPU, I want to at least give it a shot. I'll change my settings so that the frequency decreases depending on battery level. Also, I don't have much but the basic governors and configurations on CPU Tuner, so I've never heard of Smartass V2 (Prior to skimming through the link you posted). Also, the battery came with it, I knew it seemed a bit different from most other batteries (From what I've seen in searches, most of them had around 2000), but I didn't know it meant that much.

The Governor settings available will depend on the Kernel, not on the CPU Controller. I've always been partial to SetCPU, but that's just me. I would again suggest doing a bit of reading, and experimentation to find your best settings. But defiantly the closer to normal the Battery temperature is the better. When the Battery heats up to much it will in most cases also drain faster. If you can post a Pic of the Battery I would really like to see it. I've never come across a 400mAh Battery for the Shift.

When I first rooted my shift 2 years ago I was very concerned of over-heating. I constantly checked the temperature. After a while I realized it is quite hard to over heat and cause damage, especially with the newest kernels the devs have put out. Just experiment with different settings and see what works best for your phone
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Battery discussion, No more heat, 2 days battery life, Same Performance

The Problem With The S4 That It Has More Cpu Then It Needs. It Doesnt Have To Use It Cpu Up To 1600 Mhz, But It Automatically Does,
It Works Perfectly At 2 Cores And 800 Mhz, No Difference, Only A Better Experience , Please Read On
Ok Guys, This Will Be The Battery Discussion Page For The S4, We Will Be Doing Kernel And Under Volting Test, And Ways To Save Battery,
We Will Post Battery Records Here, And Many Other Things, This Is How It Works
I Will Post Mine Tomorrow After Fully Charging
Must Be Fully Charged Till 5 Percent Charge Without Pluging In Cable In Between,
And You Must Use Your Device As You Would Everyday
Install Cpu Spy
This Is The Layout You Fill In For Your Post
ROM:
KERNEL:
CPU MIN:
CPU MAX:
CPU GOVERNOR:
CORES ONLINE:
CORES OFFLINE:
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Information Of How You Used Your Phone During The Process
And Any Other Information Like The Apps You Have Installed, And The App You Use To Save Battery With, Or Your
App Alternatives For Better Battery Life
Attach Photos (screenshots) Of Your Battery Record, Stats, And On Screen Time Using The Stock App In The Settings
And Your Cpu Spy Page
"i For One Have 2 Cores Offline And Under Volted To 250-800 On Both Online Cores And Have The Ondemand Governor Activated, And I Havent Felt Performance Lost, Runs Temple Run And Subway Surfers Perfectly, And No Heat, Even If Im Charging With Wifi On And Im Downloading Something, Its Great

Seems to be a nice idea. But could you elaborate as on why the text is bold and you had to use capslock for 1/2 of it!?

@slind ok i fixed the post. i will be posting links to the posts who are great battery savers without loosing performance

So basically, we use an I9500 like an Ace or a Grand to get rid of heating and battery drains.. Andyou suggest that it won't result in performance loss. I'd suggest playing games that are more graphically intensive and not just Temple Run.. Try copying data from one memory card to another, or simply try running a Full HD Video. Also, check out web browsing or maybe multitasking, and you'll see where the performance dies out.
I think the fix should come in the upcoming releases of stock firmware by Samsung. By turning off a couple of cores, you're only going back a couple of years. I don't think I upgraded from the S3 to S4 for that reason.

cabloomi said:
The Problem With The S4 That It Has More Cpu Then It Needs. It Doesnt Have To Use It Cpu Up To 1600 Mhz, But It Automatically Does,
It Works Perfectly At 2 Cores And 800 Mhz, No Difference, Only A Better Experience , Please Read On
Ok Guys, This Will Be The Battery Discussion Page For The S4, We Will Be Doing Kernel And Under Volting Test, And Ways To Save Battery,
We Will Post Battery Records Here, And Many Other Things, This Is How It Works
I Will Post Mine Tomorrow After Fully Charging
Must Be Fully Charged Till 5 Percent Charge Without Pluging In Cable In Between,
And You Must Use Your Device As You Would Everyday
Install Cpu Spy
This Is The Layout You Fill In For Your Post
Information Of How You Used Your Phone During The Process
And Any Other Information Like The Apps You Have Installed, And The App You Use To Save Battery With, Or Your
App Alternatives For Better Battery Life
Attach Photos (screenshots) Of Your Battery Record, Stats, And On Screen Time Using The Stock App In The Settings
And Your Cpu Spy Page
"i For One Have 2 Cores Offline And Under Volted To 250-800 On Both Online Cores And Have The Ondemand Governor Activated, And I Havent Felt Performance Lost, Runs Temple Run And Subway Surfers Perfectly, And No Heat, Even If Im Charging With Wifi On And Im Downloading Something, Its Great
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post some screenshots with your screen time.

@adyscorpius
everyone has there preferences and there needs in a phone. and there own settings. and this is a Battery discussion thread. we will be doing many performance and voltage mods, so everyone could choose the settings that suits them. now please dont post aggressive post like that, im not stupid. i know that my settings are very low.
but for my most played games and most used apps. it doesnt seem to effect my performance, so im comfortable with my settings

i had the phone for 2 weeks, happily showing off battery performance and then i asked myself again, why the heck i bought this phone in the first place? BECAUSE IT HAS REPLACABLE BATTERY!.. LOL.. how silly i am trying to squeeze that little drop of power out of the battery when I can double the battery just by getting another spare.
no need to turn off anything, no need to drop performance or screen brightness.. just pure enjoyment of the full potential without worrying battery problem.. just get a spare.

cabloomi said:
@adyscorpius
everyone has there preferences and there needs in a phone. and there own settings. and this is a Battery discussion thread. we will be doing many performance and voltage mods, so everyone could choose the settings that suits them. now please dont post aggressive post like that, im not stupid. i know that my settings are very low.
but for my most played games and most used apps. it doesnt seem to effect my performance, so im comfortable with my settings
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I didn't mean to be aggresive and sorry if you felt like that. All I mean is, there is a limit to which you can undervolt/underclock your phone without losing the functionality or speed. While underclocking to 1.0 ghz or 1.2 ghz sounds kinda normal, going all the way down to 800 Mhz and that too only on two cores is like running Galaxy Ace Dual Core instead. Why would I want to spoil my S4 for it?
That is all that I meant. And the phone is normally shelling out a good day's use in normal usage. Why bother so much about battery really???

My S4 i9505 came with MDE ROM from the factory, apart from doing dirty flashes over dirty flashes, finally someone came up with a recovery which is working. So i've :
1. Formatted system , cache , dalvik
2. Loaded in Djembey's stock slim deodexed ME2 ROM.
3. Using PimpMyROM, did some moderately less aggressive tweaks.
4. Capped the Max frequency at 1674MHz. Interactive gov, Noop sched.
5. Fully charged and unplugged.
6. Fully on 3G . Gmail sync for calendars, contacts, mail, keep, notes. Moderately heavy on Gtalk and Whatsapp. Browsing news and websites.
Observed 4 hours screen time.
Almost 15 hours of total usage + standby (This doesn't mean much, screen time depicts usage time more)
The phone still feels warmer than S2, under operation.
I've yet to try faux kernel yet, but i doubt it would get much better than this. The physical limit i feel is on the CPU, HD AMOLEDs, and the modem itself under normal usage.
Feel free to comment.

Hi,
hope you may be able to help. I have been trying almost everthing to increase the music volume as the s4 does not drive my senheiser headphones as well I would like. Is it possible to increase the gain through a kernel mod somehow?

Wow you're really random. This thread isn't even remotely discussing about the issue you raised.
Try the omega ROM thread, see if the functionality list includes volume hack.
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How does one go about disabling two of the cores ? c: