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Raphael battery WILL NOT DIE

It's been at (!) for probably about half an hour... I'm getting tired but I am wrong... Stupid good batteries, why couldn't you be like the Diamond

It might be the Software, I dont have Pro yet but my s730 will go ! at 40% of battery life and warn me at 20% and go critical at 10%... I would assume your's is doing the same type of thing to keep you informed?

How long has it been on?

Black93300ZX said:
It's been at (!) for probably about half an hour... I'm getting tired but I want to kill it... Stupid good batteries, why couldn't you be like the Diamond
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why would you want to do that?? i thought that with new lithium batteries it's better for them to charge them as much as possible, whenever possible. and AVOID them to go to 0. That could kill it, for good! Someone please, tell us if i'm wrong. These are not the oldschool batteris with "memory". So no reason to get it to reach zero for any reason, than destroying it. (it vould need kickstart after that)
/Henry

@black.... how much standby are you getting? Have you tested it out yet?

ferraripassion said:
@black.... how much standby are you getting? Have you tested it out yet?
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How could he? He has it since yesterday evening...

Jorlin said:
How could he? He has it since yesterday evening...
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Haha yes... Well, I constantly used it yesterday (obviously)... Always connected to wifi, always connected to Edge/3G (depending what was available)... Played teeter, talked on it, browsed the internet, listened to some of the music that's on it, it was being pushed hard... And it lasted like 6 hours. Not bad at all, and it gave me like a half an hour window after the battery went to (!) status.

rakdoll said:
why would you want to do that?? i thought that with new lithium batteries it's better for them to charge them as much as possible, whenever possible. and AVOID them to go to 0. That could kill it, for good! Someone please, tell us if i'm wrong. These are not the oldschool batteris with "memory". So no reason to get it to reach zero for any reason, than destroying it. (it vould need kickstart after that)
/Henry
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Li-ion batteries do not suffer from the "Memory" issue as much as others, but they still do to some extent. The biggest issue with all Li-ion batteries is once its charged if you leave it on the charget you will burn it out and it will stop holding a charge.
Running it to near zero before charging wont hurt it, I have done it for almost a year on my s730 without issue and I charge it every few days due to use.
There are rumors that running it to full zero can hurt it and you should keep it charged since it wont hurt it memory / overcharge wise. I usually but not always drain my phone to 10 - 20% before charging to full and taking it off the charger once full. This way I can keep it charged and not worry too much about memory issues.
Ni-MH batteries really sufferd from the overcharge and a little from the memory, while Li-ions are supposed to not suffer from either I have (over retail experience) seen them suffer from both issues as well however it takes longer for the problems to crop up usually.
As long as you are carefull your battery should last a good long time.

I am wrong

A good read regarding Lithium-Ion batteries, and how to treat them for long life.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

Mechanicaldan said:
A good read regarding Lithium-Ion batteries, and how to treat them for long life.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
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"The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge."
Well, that's that.
At least it's not an iPhone, and we can replace ours... ;-)

can I get a replacement? - I need your help!-

Hi. I have used G1 for 5months and I satisfied it except that battery is too fast run out.
anyway,For 5 months, I have had only one battery.
I know that it's really uncomfortable. but I don't wanna buy another battery.
I used to charge it everyday and it make my USB cab going to come off.
It should be came off within a few days.
I wonder that I get a replacement by free.
P.S. In my case, I can't charge it with turn it on when battery is under 15%.
I have to turn it off and charge it. Is it problem?
thanks!

Just call your carrier and ask. CSR's are mostly retarded and you will get different results depending on who answers the phone. Some may replace it, some may not.

just whine to 611
i got a new one that worked much better than the battery i got on Oct. 22 (opening day) seems maybe the first few had bad cells...
and charge till full the run till dead the first 5 or 6 times you charge, its best to run it till the thing dies, as the warnings are just guesses and the battery much like some kinda power junkie needs to find its OWN "bottom"
then the phone and the battery know each others habits and will get along well for the life of the battery, (which is no where near as long as peeps think)
How many times have you heard "my battery always dies I plug it in every chance I get but it just doesnt seem to last as long as when it was new" you say "how long have you had the phone 3-4 years(same battery)" there ya go
batteries and the chargers made to charge them are more sophisticated than in the good ole' nicad days, mostly because an AA nimh can make a pretty big BOOM if not taken care of properly, you will see alot of stuff that says that all this full discharge -> full recharge stuff isn't necessary with modern rechargeable, you don't have to do it forever but those first few charges/discharges ARE important if even just to make your device aware of the capacity of a new cell.
alkaline - discharge on a nice slow decline
nicad - pretty much the same w/ a bit faster drop on the last 1/4th of the charge
nimh - pumps a stedy voltage unlike its older relatives listed above, but that last 1/4th drops like a stone, (kinda like your car notice the first 1/4th lasts waaaay longer than that last 1/4th, perception is reality, perception is reality)
yea, tmob knows there is a problem, so they musta gave the low level CSR rights to give away a new battery, cause I wasn't put on hold or transferred, and got a new charger, just say you used your voltage meter and talk alot about voltages and amperage, they may come up off one of them also, they did for me.
bhang

bhang said:
batteries and the chargers made to charge them are more sophisticated than in the good ole' nicad days, mostly because an AA nimh can make a pretty big BOOM if not taken care of properly, you will see alot of stuff that says that all this full discharge -> full recharge stuff isn't necessary with modern rechargeable, you don't have to do it forever but those first few charges/discharges ARE important if even just to make your device aware of the capacity of a new cell.
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While I can't find specific references, it is NOT NiMH. It is wishfully LIPO (unstable when damaged), but I believe it is Lithium Ion.
These type of battery do not have the "memory" that you hope they do. The battery and the device will never acclimate to each other through charge/discharge cycles.

I dont know much about betterys so please bear with me if i am being stupid. Why are those 2400mA batteries larger and need a larger back cover. I have some AA batteries that are 1800mA and 2400mA and they are both the same size?
Chris

Battery life with cupcake update?

I'm thinking of buying a G1, but I'm put off by all the complaints that it has horrible battery life. Does the cupcake update help this any? How long do people get?

The cupcake update hasn't been released, yet. At first, I had a HORRIBLE battery life, but after calibrating the battery, it's got a decent battery life. I haven't really taxed the phone much, though.

I know cupcake hasn't been released yet, but the code is open and people have already flashed their phone with it. So I mean, "Does cupcake (so far) help battery life?"

You can calibrate the battery all you like .... it's still really crap !
Just as well the phone is soo brilliant at everything else that it doesn't bother me!

jengu said:
I know cupcake hasn't been released yet, but the code is open and people have already flashed their phone with it. So I mean, "Does cupcake (so far) help battery life?"
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from experience, no not really. mind you, the version we have working atm is no where near the finished version. so maybe they'll implement a better power management or something, i dunno.
thats if they ever release the damn thing

The battery just doesn't last on the G1 no matter what you do. You can extend the battery life to a couple days if it sits idle and has the right settings, but that's boring.
This phone shines through use so expect to charge it daily. If you do things like tether, stream music, web browse, constant email/texting, and etc, then I would say keep a charger handy.

I bought an extended battery (2600mAh) off ebay for about $45 and i'm a pretty heavy user with irc,music,youtube,twitter all that jazz and my battery lasts 2 days. Sure it's a little bit thicker, but it stays in a jean pocket all by it self and everything is just great.

I think The battery life increases with cupcake as i flashed the latest cupcake build (sync-ed & build yesterday by me) it usually used to go down till morning when i sleep but today it was 70% left means very much...
Also as i changed the statusbar battery icon to show 1%, 2%, ... 100% i was able to keep track of my battery...
lets see i ll stay 1 more day on cupcake and let u know...

Version 1.1 helped a lot with battery life. Most of the initial complaints were with version 1.0. Most of those initial complaints were also very shortly after the initial introduction when a lot of new units suddenly hit the market -- as with any battery device, it needs time to break in and calibrate itself. Note: cupcake is to be called version 1.5 (there will likely be no 1.2-1.4). Expect 1.5 to have better power management than 1.1, it does have a newer kernel with better power management features, and no doubt many optimizations in userland tools.

how can you calibrate the battery?

lbcoder said:
Version 1.1 helped a lot with battery life. Most of the initial complaints were with version 1.0. Most of those initial complaints were also very shortly after the initial introduction when a lot of new units suddenly hit the market -- as with any battery device, it needs time to break in and calibrate itself. Note: cupcake is to be called version 1.5 (there will likely be no 1.2-1.4). Expect 1.5 to have better power management than 1.1, it does have a newer kernel with better power management features, and no doubt many optimizations in userland tools.
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Are there battery benchmarks somewhere for 1.1? I've been googling but it's hard to find real numbers and usually they don't mention the version. How much battery life do you get?

With normal use I wouldn't expect to get more than 24hours. I reckon by switching everything off I could double that. OTOH as the phone charges via USB I just leave it charging whilst I'm working - it'd be sat on the desk anyway so the extra cable is no hardship.

Nitro212 said:
how can you calibrate the battery?
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By using it.

You calibrate the battery by letting the phone completely die while it is on, as in let the phone shut off because it's out of battery. Then, give it a full charge from the house charger, preferably while not using the phone (while sleeping, for example). Should be done twice a month or so for this phone.

You should know that modern batteries dont have the "memory" that old batteries do.
There is no need to do the above.

They don't have 'memory' but modern batteries still have a break in period. You'd have to probably have a solid battery like thin films to avoid that.

sjbayer3 said:
You should know that modern batteries dont have the "memory" that old batteries do.
There is no need to do the above.
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I know that, for example, While it takes 5 minutes of watching video for the battery to move from 10% to 5% it can take 30 minutes to move from 5% to DEAD with a non calibrated battery.
I train my battery every so often. I can get a solid 3 to 5 hours of talking/texting/browsing/downloading/playing games/etc on a single charge.
I don't think its too much to ask for. It's in line with other phones of like capabilities. Upfront people were just pissed that they couldn't sit and play on their G1 for 10 hours a day with no charging in between.
You can't do that with an iphone, itouch, psp, ds, portable dvd, or laptop computer. People were expecting it to perform better than all the things listed, but the only thing technological about this phone is the software. It has the same tech restrictions as every other portable device.

i thought that the new batteries nowadays do not need to be conditioned anymore? that whole break in theory was based on the old nickel based batteries. but now they no longer needed since batteries are now lithium-ion batteries that do not have that "memory state". correct me if im wrong because i always hear both arguments.

Hmm if I remember correctly the actual battery (LiCoO2) doesn't need conditioning or has a memory effect, but its the electrical component/chip that tracks the capacity and over time though repeated charging they tend to "forget" the actual capacity of the battery so you need to drain it completely then charge it completely so it re-learns it again.

zacfield said:
You calibrate the battery by letting the phone completely die while it is on, as in let the phone shut off because it's out of battery. Then, give it a full charge from the house charger, preferably while not using the phone (while sleeping, for example). Should be done twice a month or so for this phone.
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calibrate the battery is a joke!
Li-on battery no need to do that!

Poor Battery Life on NS?

I'm going to try to purchase my Nexus S before class tomorrow when they open. Don't want to take any chances on it selling out. Would it be wise to turn it on and use it a while during the morning? Or does the battery need to be fully charged before using it to condition it and ensure a good battery life? I've read many battery tips but i'm still a little confused on whats better for a new battery.

CaliLove310 said:
I'm going to try to purchase my Nexus S before class tomorrow when they open. Don't want to take any chances on it selling out. Would it be wise to turn it on and use it a while during the morning? Or does the battery need to be fully charged before using it to condition it and ensure a good battery life? I've read many battery tips but i'm still a little confused on whats better for a new battery.
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When you get it, deplete it, but do not let it die. Ever. Then just cycle it normally.

zachthemaster said:
When you get it, deplete it, but do not let it die. Ever. Then just cycle it normally.
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What do you mean by "die".... like to 0%, if so what should we take it down to?

azn2050 said:
What do you mean by "die".... like to 0%, if so what should we take it down to?
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Yes, by letting your battery "die", per se, you're letting it deplete to 0%. I'd say for safe measure, between 5%-9%. But if you're in the vicinity of a charger take it down to 2%. If not, turn it off at 5%, then plug it in before powering it back on. My devices' daily life lasts so long (on all devices I own) because I properly know how to cycle a battery.

If you let your battery die (0%), it'll lose more and more charge (on a 0.00% level) every time. When you get it tomorrow though, it should have ~50%-60% charge.

CaliLove310 said:
I'm going to try to purchase my Nexus S before class tomorrow when they open. Don't want to take any chances on it selling out. Would it be wise to turn it on and use it a while during the morning? Or does the battery need to be fully charged before using it to condition it and ensure a good battery life? I've read many battery tips but i'm still a little confused on whats better for a new battery.
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There's no need for that, only if it doesn't have any juice.
More info: batteryuniversity dot com

Battery life?
So how are your batteries doing? Mine is kind of crappy. What supposedly changed in 2.3? I see no difference in the reporting of apps in Battery Use and they took away Battery History in the hidden system settings. Where is the graph everyone talked about?

You gotta give it a few charging cycles for the battery to reach it's full potential. Give its few days, you'll notice it will get better after you charged it a few times.
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The battery life on mine is chugging along pretty well. I gave it a full charge before hitting the streets. Its been 4 hours with wifi and GPS on with a couple dozen pictures taken and a bunch of apps dl and installed. used maps 5.0 and periodically hit the GPS for my position getting really good accuracy while driving and the battery level still has a little more than 4/5s battery life still remaining
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hah2110 said:
So how are your batteries doing? Mine is kind of crappy. What supposedly changed in 2.3? I see no difference in the reporting of apps in Battery Use and they took away Battery History in the hidden system settings. Where is the graph everyone talked about?
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You haven't broken it in yet, use your brain.

The phones barely been out that long, it takes a while to have good statistics about battery life.

Myth on lion
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You haven't broken it in yet, use your brain.
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I haven't even reached the full 100% charge yet, been using it then charging it some then using it then charging it some. Lol

hah2110 said:
So how are your batteries doing? Mine is kind of crappy. What supposedly changed in 2.3? I see no difference in the reporting of apps in Battery Use and they took away Battery History in the hidden system settings. Where is the graph everyone talked about?
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Myth on lion
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That's funny because every company that sells back up batteries tell you to go through 4-5 full cycles before it reaches its potential. I guess you're right, and they're all wrong.

They are wrong. Google it
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Battery
how do I train my battery it was halfway charged when i got it do I let it die and then put it on the charger thanks!
EDIT:WRONG SECTION DELETE THIS MODS!

I've always charged all the way up then ran the battery all the way down, then charged all the way up again. Then periodically, I will run the battery all the way down just to give it a little exercise. So far out of all the cell phones I have had I have had 1 battery go bad on me, that was 8-10years ago.

Battery
how do I train my battery it was halfway charged when i got it do I let it die and then put it on the charger thanks!

matter of opinion really.... I would kill it by playing with it.... then do a full charge
that is what I am doing

Generally the suggested method is to charge it for 8-12 hours as soon as you can, then use it until it gets very low, then charge for another 8-12 hours. Do this cycle about 3 to 4 times and you've got yourself a healthy battery.
Killing the battery entirely, despite popular belief, can have some negative effects on its health. Especially during is conditioning phase.

Battery Problem ? Never goes 100%

My battery never goes to 100% whatever how long I charge it. is it a problem. My NS is just 3 weeks old. Any help guys

Exittx said:
My battery never goes to 100% whatever how long I charge it. is it a problem. My NS is just 3 weeks old. Any help guys
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Its not a problem. The phone charges that way by design; the idea is that it will extend the overall life of the battery by not letting it get fully or possibly over charged.

mlin said:
Its not a problem. The phone charges that way by design; the idea is that it will extend the overall life of the battery by not letting it get fully or possibly over charged.
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but it goes to 97% sometimes. is it possible to go 100% in the long term ? I feel 95% does not give me the same battery life as 100%.

the only way to really get it to 100% is let it charge to 95% then keep the phone awake but the 5% difference is nothing. Its nothing to worry about.

That behavior is not by design, it's a poorly implemented battery profile in the phone.
Not much you can do unless someone changes the preset voltage values for 100% "full" (and/or other battery settings).

xciton said:
That behavior is not by design, it's a poorly implemented battery profile in the phone.
Not much you can do unless someone changes the preset voltage values for 100% "full" (and/or other battery settings).
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No no, it's actually implemented this way, and it's a choice.
Some manufacturers have modified the way the battery stats are handled to show 100% even on "stock" rom experience, but that isn't the case for the Nexus S.
HTC is notable for this.
On the other hand, you can use a kernel with the 100% cosmetic fix implemented or if you're REALLY REALLY sure, you can bump charge your phone to 100%. Doing the later will however reduce the life of your battery, so if you expect to keep your phone for a long time I wouldn't suggest it.
Here's a nice written article, applying for the Droid but just about any Android smartphone too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051

thank for the link. it's interesting to know that doing multiple short-time charge í better than a long-time one.

I was also wondering why it never goes to 100% when I charge my new nexus phone. Thanks for sharing
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I have same problem but you can just think that it's fully charged since its same. Your mind is just fooling with you. Nothing to worry about.
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That's another thing I really miss about my old Evo - SBC charging and 30+ hrs from the stock 1500mAh battery. Many custom kernels implemented SBC to allow a full 100% charge, and I never witnessed any performance degradation over the course of a year.
The battery service life issue rumored to result from fully charging the lithium ion cells was largely dismissed as just that... a rumor. Hundreds, if not thousands of Evo users use SBC without any problems - in fact, I do not recall anyone writing about sbc-related problems at all.

Braneless said:
That's another thing I really miss about my old Evo - SBC charging and 30+ hrs from the stock 1500mAh battery. Many custom kernels implemented SBC to allow a full 100% charge, and I never witnessed any performance degradation over the course of a year.
The battery service life issue rumored to result from fully charging the lithium ion cells was largely dismissed as just that... a rumor. Hundreds, if not thousands of Evo users use SBC without any problems - in fact, I do not recall anyone writing about sbc-related problems at all.
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I used SBC kernels on my Nexus One and the battery life was insanely good. Never had problems. I stopped using them because I was scared of the horror stories.
Personally, I'm rarely somewhere (for extended periods of time) that I can't charge my phone. And if I am on a long drive or out and about it's not like I'm doing much with my phone.
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Braneless said:
That's another thing I really miss about my old Evo - SBC charging and 30+ hrs from the stock 1500mAh battery. Many custom kernels implemented SBC to allow a full 100% charge, and I never witnessed any performance degradation over the course of a year.
The battery service life issue rumored to result from fully charging the lithium ion cells was largely dismissed as just that... a rumor. Hundreds, if not thousands of Evo users use SBC without any problems - in fact, I do not recall anyone writing about sbc-related problems at all.
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Actually I remember people posting problems with SBC and I didn't even have an EVO. Remember the phones that went almost on fire?
Anyway I don't really need such a kernel, I use BLX to limit at 90% and get through a day just fine, sometimes through a day and a half.

My phone charged so that it read 100% when i first got it. Only after i installed glados kernel did it stop at 96% because he didn't implement the illusionary fix.