It's been at (!) for probably about half an hour... I'm getting tired but I am wrong... Stupid good batteries, why couldn't you be like the Diamond
It might be the Software, I dont have Pro yet but my s730 will go ! at 40% of battery life and warn me at 20% and go critical at 10%... I would assume your's is doing the same type of thing to keep you informed?
How long has it been on?
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It's been at (!) for probably about half an hour... I'm getting tired but I want to kill it... Stupid good batteries, why couldn't you be like the Diamond
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why would you want to do that?? i thought that with new lithium batteries it's better for them to charge them as much as possible, whenever possible. and AVOID them to go to 0. That could kill it, for good! Someone please, tell us if i'm wrong. These are not the oldschool batteris with "memory". So no reason to get it to reach zero for any reason, than destroying it. (it vould need kickstart after that)
/Henry
@black.... how much standby are you getting? Have you tested it out yet?
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@black.... how much standby are you getting? Have you tested it out yet?
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How could he? He has it since yesterday evening...
Jorlin said:
How could he? He has it since yesterday evening...
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Haha yes... Well, I constantly used it yesterday (obviously)... Always connected to wifi, always connected to Edge/3G (depending what was available)... Played teeter, talked on it, browsed the internet, listened to some of the music that's on it, it was being pushed hard... And it lasted like 6 hours. Not bad at all, and it gave me like a half an hour window after the battery went to (!) status.
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why would you want to do that?? i thought that with new lithium batteries it's better for them to charge them as much as possible, whenever possible. and AVOID them to go to 0. That could kill it, for good! Someone please, tell us if i'm wrong. These are not the oldschool batteris with "memory". So no reason to get it to reach zero for any reason, than destroying it. (it vould need kickstart after that)
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Li-ion batteries do not suffer from the "Memory" issue as much as others, but they still do to some extent. The biggest issue with all Li-ion batteries is once its charged if you leave it on the charget you will burn it out and it will stop holding a charge.
Running it to near zero before charging wont hurt it, I have done it for almost a year on my s730 without issue and I charge it every few days due to use.
There are rumors that running it to full zero can hurt it and you should keep it charged since it wont hurt it memory / overcharge wise. I usually but not always drain my phone to 10 - 20% before charging to full and taking it off the charger once full. This way I can keep it charged and not worry too much about memory issues.
Ni-MH batteries really sufferd from the overcharge and a little from the memory, while Li-ions are supposed to not suffer from either I have (over retail experience) seen them suffer from both issues as well however it takes longer for the problems to crop up usually.
As long as you are carefull your battery should last a good long time.
I am wrong
A good read regarding Lithium-Ion batteries, and how to treat them for long life.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
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A good read regarding Lithium-Ion batteries, and how to treat them for long life.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
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"The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge."
Well, that's that.
At least it's not an iPhone, and we can replace ours... ;-)
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Hi. I have used G1 for 5months and I satisfied it except that battery is too fast run out.
anyway,For 5 months, I have had only one battery.
I know that it's really uncomfortable. but I don't wanna buy another battery.
I used to charge it everyday and it make my USB cab going to come off.
It should be came off within a few days.
I wonder that I get a replacement by free.
P.S. In my case, I can't charge it with turn it on when battery is under 15%.
I have to turn it off and charge it. Is it problem?
thanks!
Just call your carrier and ask. CSR's are mostly retarded and you will get different results depending on who answers the phone. Some may replace it, some may not.
just whine to 611
i got a new one that worked much better than the battery i got on Oct. 22 (opening day) seems maybe the first few had bad cells...
and charge till full the run till dead the first 5 or 6 times you charge, its best to run it till the thing dies, as the warnings are just guesses and the battery much like some kinda power junkie needs to find its OWN "bottom"
then the phone and the battery know each others habits and will get along well for the life of the battery, (which is no where near as long as peeps think)
How many times have you heard "my battery always dies I plug it in every chance I get but it just doesnt seem to last as long as when it was new" you say "how long have you had the phone 3-4 years(same battery)" there ya go
batteries and the chargers made to charge them are more sophisticated than in the good ole' nicad days, mostly because an AA nimh can make a pretty big BOOM if not taken care of properly, you will see alot of stuff that says that all this full discharge -> full recharge stuff isn't necessary with modern rechargeable, you don't have to do it forever but those first few charges/discharges ARE important if even just to make your device aware of the capacity of a new cell.
alkaline - discharge on a nice slow decline
nicad - pretty much the same w/ a bit faster drop on the last 1/4th of the charge
nimh - pumps a stedy voltage unlike its older relatives listed above, but that last 1/4th drops like a stone, (kinda like your car notice the first 1/4th lasts waaaay longer than that last 1/4th, perception is reality, perception is reality)
yea, tmob knows there is a problem, so they musta gave the low level CSR rights to give away a new battery, cause I wasn't put on hold or transferred, and got a new charger, just say you used your voltage meter and talk alot about voltages and amperage, they may come up off one of them also, they did for me.
bhang
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batteries and the chargers made to charge them are more sophisticated than in the good ole' nicad days, mostly because an AA nimh can make a pretty big BOOM if not taken care of properly, you will see alot of stuff that says that all this full discharge -> full recharge stuff isn't necessary with modern rechargeable, you don't have to do it forever but those first few charges/discharges ARE important if even just to make your device aware of the capacity of a new cell.
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While I can't find specific references, it is NOT NiMH. It is wishfully LIPO (unstable when damaged), but I believe it is Lithium Ion.
These type of battery do not have the "memory" that you hope they do. The battery and the device will never acclimate to each other through charge/discharge cycles.
I dont know much about betterys so please bear with me if i am being stupid. Why are those 2400mA batteries larger and need a larger back cover. I have some AA batteries that are 1800mA and 2400mA and they are both the same size?
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I'm thinking of buying a G1, but I'm put off by all the complaints that it has horrible battery life. Does the cupcake update help this any? How long do people get?
The cupcake update hasn't been released, yet. At first, I had a HORRIBLE battery life, but after calibrating the battery, it's got a decent battery life. I haven't really taxed the phone much, though.
I know cupcake hasn't been released yet, but the code is open and people have already flashed their phone with it. So I mean, "Does cupcake (so far) help battery life?"
You can calibrate the battery all you like .... it's still really crap !
Just as well the phone is soo brilliant at everything else that it doesn't bother me!
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I know cupcake hasn't been released yet, but the code is open and people have already flashed their phone with it. So I mean, "Does cupcake (so far) help battery life?"
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from experience, no not really. mind you, the version we have working atm is no where near the finished version. so maybe they'll implement a better power management or something, i dunno.
thats if they ever release the damn thing
The battery just doesn't last on the G1 no matter what you do. You can extend the battery life to a couple days if it sits idle and has the right settings, but that's boring.
This phone shines through use so expect to charge it daily. If you do things like tether, stream music, web browse, constant email/texting, and etc, then I would say keep a charger handy.
I bought an extended battery (2600mAh) off ebay for about $45 and i'm a pretty heavy user with irc,music,youtube,twitter all that jazz and my battery lasts 2 days. Sure it's a little bit thicker, but it stays in a jean pocket all by it self and everything is just great.
I think The battery life increases with cupcake as i flashed the latest cupcake build (sync-ed & build yesterday by me) it usually used to go down till morning when i sleep but today it was 70% left means very much...
Also as i changed the statusbar battery icon to show 1%, 2%, ... 100% i was able to keep track of my battery...
lets see i ll stay 1 more day on cupcake and let u know...
Version 1.1 helped a lot with battery life. Most of the initial complaints were with version 1.0. Most of those initial complaints were also very shortly after the initial introduction when a lot of new units suddenly hit the market -- as with any battery device, it needs time to break in and calibrate itself. Note: cupcake is to be called version 1.5 (there will likely be no 1.2-1.4). Expect 1.5 to have better power management than 1.1, it does have a newer kernel with better power management features, and no doubt many optimizations in userland tools.
how can you calibrate the battery?
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Version 1.1 helped a lot with battery life. Most of the initial complaints were with version 1.0. Most of those initial complaints were also very shortly after the initial introduction when a lot of new units suddenly hit the market -- as with any battery device, it needs time to break in and calibrate itself. Note: cupcake is to be called version 1.5 (there will likely be no 1.2-1.4). Expect 1.5 to have better power management than 1.1, it does have a newer kernel with better power management features, and no doubt many optimizations in userland tools.
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Are there battery benchmarks somewhere for 1.1? I've been googling but it's hard to find real numbers and usually they don't mention the version. How much battery life do you get?
With normal use I wouldn't expect to get more than 24hours. I reckon by switching everything off I could double that. OTOH as the phone charges via USB I just leave it charging whilst I'm working - it'd be sat on the desk anyway so the extra cable is no hardship.
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By using it.
You calibrate the battery by letting the phone completely die while it is on, as in let the phone shut off because it's out of battery. Then, give it a full charge from the house charger, preferably while not using the phone (while sleeping, for example). Should be done twice a month or so for this phone.
You should know that modern batteries dont have the "memory" that old batteries do.
There is no need to do the above.
They don't have 'memory' but modern batteries still have a break in period. You'd have to probably have a solid battery like thin films to avoid that.
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You should know that modern batteries dont have the "memory" that old batteries do.
There is no need to do the above.
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I know that, for example, While it takes 5 minutes of watching video for the battery to move from 10% to 5% it can take 30 minutes to move from 5% to DEAD with a non calibrated battery.
I train my battery every so often. I can get a solid 3 to 5 hours of talking/texting/browsing/downloading/playing games/etc on a single charge.
I don't think its too much to ask for. It's in line with other phones of like capabilities. Upfront people were just pissed that they couldn't sit and play on their G1 for 10 hours a day with no charging in between.
You can't do that with an iphone, itouch, psp, ds, portable dvd, or laptop computer. People were expecting it to perform better than all the things listed, but the only thing technological about this phone is the software. It has the same tech restrictions as every other portable device.
i thought that the new batteries nowadays do not need to be conditioned anymore? that whole break in theory was based on the old nickel based batteries. but now they no longer needed since batteries are now lithium-ion batteries that do not have that "memory state". correct me if im wrong because i always hear both arguments.
Hmm if I remember correctly the actual battery (LiCoO2) doesn't need conditioning or has a memory effect, but its the electrical component/chip that tracks the capacity and over time though repeated charging they tend to "forget" the actual capacity of the battery so you need to drain it completely then charge it completely so it re-learns it again.
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You calibrate the battery by letting the phone completely die while it is on, as in let the phone shut off because it's out of battery. Then, give it a full charge from the house charger, preferably while not using the phone (while sleeping, for example). Should be done twice a month or so for this phone.
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calibrate the battery is a joke!
Li-on battery no need to do that!
I am using the Anker 1900mAh battery for last 3 weeks and I am satisfied with the battery life it provides. I did 4-5 charge-discharge cycles and now I regularly get 24hrs - 27hrs life out of it. Today I noticed that BMW Pro is showing battery '14% aging'! What does this mean? Is my battery dying? To confirm I installed the HTC battery widget and it shows nothing abnormal. Please check the screenshots. Is something wrong with my battery?
More than 100 views. Nobody?
My aging says 0%, on stock battery... 5 month old.
I gave up using BMW after getting my sensation, the battery driver by HTC is useless and the statistics the driver gives to BMW can't be trusted.
If you're that concerned then charge to 100%, delete your your battery stats and history and hence start again - but I don't think anything has changed for you, it still guesses your battery as around 1900.
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I gave up using BMW after getting my sensation, the battery driver by HTC is useless and the statistics the driver gives to BMW can't be trusted.
If you're that concerned then charge to 100%, delete your your battery stats and history and hence start again - but I don't think anything has changed for you, it still guesses your battery as around 1900.
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Absolutly right about BMW and Sensation. BMW Useless and confusing only. Don't worry about ageing - continue to use as before.
My phone is not rooted. So I cant delete battery stats. And I get excellent battery life. But the 'aging' thing was worrying me. But after reading your comments not so much worried now. What does 'aging' mean anyway? i.e. in the context of the battery.
Over time and use batteries age... They lose their capacity.... Aging 10% Means that the battery has 10% less capacity than it had when it was new....
Sent from my HTC Sensation
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Absolutly right about BMW and Sensation. BMW Useless and confusing only. Don't worry about ageing - continue to use as before.
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There's nothing wrong with the app, it worked perfectly on my HD2, it's just the battery driver that's the issue for the sensation.
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There's nothing wrong with the app, it worked perfectly on my HD2, it's just the battery driver that's the issue for the sensation.
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I know that is Senasation's driver reporting not correct discharge current, only correct charge current. I meant BMW is useless with Sensation.
And i guess it is not problem of HTC's driver but hardware chipset used in sensation and evo 3d - driver can't read proper values from measurment circuit of chipset. If i would be driver itself, HTC could fix it easely.
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Don't expect from Anker same quantity of charge-discharge cycles as original battery. It may not work as long as original one(cycles i mean). Nothing can be done with it and nothing can help. They are cheap, so just buy new one when capacity will badly decrease.
Now BMW is showing aging to be 0%. How and why it showed 14% previously I dont know! The battery is hardly 3 weeks old. It cant begin to age so soon, can it? Maybe the earlier value was some wrong reporting. There seems to be a definite problem with the phone's battery driver.
As countless people told you by now - those stats don't mean ****. Stop relying on them. It's useless, confusing information with absolutely no value.
Your battery is fine.
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As countless people told you by now - those stats don't mean ****. Stop relying on them. It's useless, confusing information with absolutely no value.
Your battery is fine.
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^ What he said. If the developer set the app to say it's 99% aged while your battery still lasted about 25 hours or so.. would you believe that? I'm banking on the assumption that you're not a complete moron and WOULDNT believe that. This is almost the same thing, accrding to all the other users, the app and the battery drivers don't work well together. As everyone else has stated, stop using it? There really is only one way to test your battery properly, and that is to use it. If one day you only got like 15 hours out of your normal 27.. then you know there's a problem. screw the bmw app
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As countless people told you by now - those stats don't mean ****. Stop relying on them. It's useless, confusing information with absolutely no value.
Your battery is fine.
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I have understood it totally.
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^ What he said. If the developer set the app to say it's 99% aged while your battery still lasted about 25 hours or so.. would you believe that? I'm banking on the assumption that you're not a complete moron and WOULDNT believe that. This is almost the same thing, accrding to all the other users, the app and the battery drivers don't work well together. As everyone else has stated, stop using it? There really is only one way to test your battery properly, and that is to use it. If one day you only got like 15 hours out of your normal 27.. then you know there's a problem. screw the bmw app
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Is there really any need for being this rude? I thought we were just having a discussion. Why are you getting exasperated?
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Now BMW is showing aging to be 0%. How and why it showed 14% previously I dont know! The battery is hardly 3 weeks old. It cant begin to age so soon, can it? Maybe the earlier value was some wrong reporting. There seems to be a definite problem with the phone's battery driver.
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Ignore, ignore, ignore. Just ignore. How can you trust it if BMW doesn't even report mA correctly (not it's fault). So stop worrying and just enjoy your phone.
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Ignore, ignore, ignore. Just ignore. How can you trust it if BMW doesn't even report mA correctly (not it's fault). So stop worrying and just enjoy your phone.
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Thats what I am going to do!
You may see what are aged battery here :http://78michel.unblog.fr/htc-desire-battery-shutdown-analysis/ and here :http://78michel.unblog.fr/?p=164
The SoC curve ( state of charge) shows a step during the charging cycle before reaching 100% and a shutdown while discharging. This is very typical.
The aging is in fact the amplitude of the step.....
A precise battery analysis requires a full charging cycle from 0% to 100% with a AC charger.
Your battery is clearly not aged at all..... don't worry
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I have understood it totally.
Is there really any need for being this rude? I thought we were just having a discussion. Why are you getting exasperated?
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How am I being rude? You should change the tone of how you read it. I didn't call you the moron, I was assuming you weren't and trying to give some kind of crappy analogy to make sense of it lol
Folks, wiping battery stats is to no use. It only contains the data of what have used the battery since last charge. When you unplug your phone from the charger, the stats are reset. You can't extend or damage the battery life by deleting/altering the battery stats file.
Hi, I'm getting a Nexus 5 today, and by some reason, everyone in my country (sales person) recommends to charge a new phone for 24 hours to "maximize" the numbers of hours that the phone's battery will last after this initial charge, however, I've always find that theory not so logical, could you tell me if this actually works, or a simple full charge would do the job? Thank you, I appreciate the help!
I suppose that would be true if it were 1998 when all phones had NiCd batteries. Charge and go my friend and figure out what your friends are smokin' (sounds like some high grade stuff).
good day.
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I suppose that would be true if it were 1998 when all phones had NiCd batteries. Charge and go my friend and figure out what your friends are smokin' (sounds like some high grade stuff).
good day.
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Haha, thanks! I will give it a regular full charge then!
Yea, it no longer matters at all. Charge whenever you are near power. Even if its only for a few %, it makes no difference. The days where you have to condition a battery by charging it to the top and then letting it drain all the way are over. Now you charge whenever you can and it makes absolutely no difference.
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Yea, it no longer matters at all. Charge whenever you are near power. Even if its only for a few %, it makes no difference. The days where you have to condition a battery by charging it to the top and then letting it drain all the way are over. Now you charge whenever you can and it makes absolutely no difference.
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Thank you, it's good to know that I'll do it that way!
Hi everyone
I'd like to have the charging limited to 90%. For that I need to know what the config file is where charging can be disabled.
I have tried /sys/class/qcom-battery/restrict_chg but it doesn't seem to be working.
Does anybody know whether I can make this work and how?
Don't bother, since this phone has a buggy pmic.
Aw crud...
/sys/class/power_supply/battery/input_suspend seems to be working in principle.
Why do you want to limit the charge to 90%? Do you think it will make your battery last longer? Because it's not, I have been discharging to around 15% 5-6 days a week (while at work) and then leaving the phone charging over night (7+ hours), and first time I felt my battery is getting weaker was after like year and a half maybe more, so just don't bother, Lithium batteries are much more durable to a point that limiting your charge and not charging to full and similar nonsense will likely make your battery last even less.
Wow... a whole year and a half...
Yeah, I think you and I have very different strategies in terms of mobile phones.
Yea, year and a half before I started to see signs of the battery weakening, I changed it after almost 3 year in my old Mi A2 Lite, before I bought Poco, I think three years is fine, don't you?
I have never owned a phone that went more than two years of adequate charge. The first was mi Mi Max 3 which I charged every other day and never more than 90%. Didn't notice any lost charge after more than 3 years.
Also once the app works, it doesn't cost me anything to do so why wouldn't I?
Try using acc and acc settings
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Try using acc and acc settings
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I have found the file that works. At least so far. Haven't noted any defective chip as someone else suggested... well aside from it not charging very quickly but I mean, I charge over night... I don't care if it doesn't quick charge... should help longevity as well.
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Wow... a whole year and a half...
Yeah, I think you and I have very different strategies in terms of mobile phones.
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My oldest phone, which is still in use, has been almost completely discharged and then fully charged since 2016 without there being a noticeable reduction in battery capacity.
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My oldest phone, which is still in use, has been almost completely discharged and then fully charged since 2016 without there being a noticeable reduction in battery capacity.
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That's so very good for you. See, I've been cancer free for over 40 years now... want me to go tell that to someone dying of cancer to make them feel inferior?
Marco2G said:
That's so very good for you. See, I've been cancer free for over 40 years now... want me to go tell that to someone dying of cancer to make them feel inferior?
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The comparison is very poor, because in the worst case you buy a new battery for €15.