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still love my captivate but this could be a major issue for some customers in determining what phone they use.
The article says android users with snapdragon 1ghz or faster processor will be able to stream netflix. No mention of hummingbird...which at least for now will mean no netflix streaming. The galaxy s 2 is using an orion processor so it looks like it will be waiting as well.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...streaming.html
I don't see how they would keep the community from just pulling the APK and installing it to other devices. How would they make the app itself discriminate based on your CPU? Is there an API for that? You can't reasonably write a Windows or Linux binary that will only run on Intel CPUs, for example.
Well i dont think it wont work with processors other than snapdragon, I mean, probably the may be refering to the speed of the processor itself
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Well i dont think it wont work with processors other than snapdragon, I mean, probably the may be refering to the speed of the processor itself
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Exactly what I was thinking.
Snapdragon 1GHZ = Hummingbird 1GHZ
Clockspeed doesn't differ simply based on a name or manufacturer.
fraztto said:
Well i dont think it wont work with processors other than snapdragon, I mean, probably the may be refering to the speed of the processor itself
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Agreed. Qualcomm made this announcement, so obviously they are going to mention *their* processor and not a competitor's. Although it doesn't explicitly outline it in the article, it is clear that Android is getting a Netflix app and if your device is powerful enough to run it then you can use it. Qualcomm is working with Netflix to bring this to Android.
Unless I read otherwise, I'm going to assume that ALL Android devices are getting Netflix and they aren't going to go out of their way to exclude devices that do not have Qualcomm chips.
Bad link. This one should work: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-14/netflix-shares-jump-on-news-of-android-streaming.html
I would like to encourage OP to A) post in the right forum (props for catching it, though), B) post links that work, and C) don't write sensationalist titles with no explicit bearing of truth to them.
Sorry OP, but this kind of gets under my skin.
The OP is probably correct. The Snapdragon processor has "media protection features" aka DRM that Netflix is taking advantage of. The Hummingbird part may or may not have similar DRM mechanisms that may or may not be software compatible with the Snapdragon solution.
If the Netflix APK depends on a hardware feature that's not present, then it obviously would not work on all phones. This is going to be very confusing for end users.
The press release refers to the "media protection features".
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/02/14/netflix-on-android-confirmed-for-snapdragon-phones-first/
If that is truly the case, I'm sure one of the genius Devs here will find a way to bypass or emulate the protection scheme.
The article says Snapdragons will get it first, not exclusively.
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If that is truly the case, I'm sure one of the genius Devs here will find a way to bypass or emulate the protection scheme.
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If the DRM can be bypassed or emulated, that means no one will get any Netflix in the end. That's why iOS and even the new WP7 have Netflix already and Android doesn't.
I dont think they can keep it from everybody either. This is the ONLY thing i miss from my iphlone
I assume the Qualcom chips come with DRM built into the processor similar to hardware accelerated graphics. If that's the case it should be possible to write an application that will only work on that processor. This I'd especially true if they don't publicly release the drm spec so it can be replicated in software. Even if they did that the processing visa software would be slower and prone to more problems.
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I havent seen anything that can bypass drm at all
I don't think the processor will actually enable or disable by brand in think it just won't work on slower processors and snapdragon is the houshold name of fast processors
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If the DRM can be bypassed or emulated, that means no one will get any Netflix in the end. That's why iOS and even the new WP7 have Netflix already and Android doesn't.
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I doubt it. We're in the minority - the vast majority of users don't want to modify their phones and probably wouldn't be bothered with trying to find a way to get netflix to work on their hardware incompatible devices. If someone does manage to find a way to emulate the drm hardware, or NOP out the bits in software that deal with it or something to get the software to run, I doubt netflix would really care as long as you're still paying for the content.
I don't see the problem. You have to have a Netflix account to access the streaming content, so all they have to do is prevent the device from being able to record it. They already do that now on my Western Digital Live Hub.
Netflix has to show its content providers that the streamed content will not be compromised. Otherwise, content providers will not allow Netflix to stream the content at all. DRM is a necessary evil to live with in this case.
Netflix already publically said that they will selectively release player for certain Android phones, not all. That means Android phones with hardware DRM protection. They are not happy with the general DRM support in Android OS (or the total lack there of).
It is not about processor speed. If iOS can have it and WP7 can have it, processor speed is not the issue.
If Netflix see any sign of its DRM being compromised, it will simply ban all the Android phones or re-write the player. It is one battle you don't want to engage in. Nothing good come out it.
I believe a few content provider already pull its content out of Netflix streaming due to this concern. If any Netflix players prove to be unsafe, more will do so. Soon we will end up with a Netflix player with nothing to watch.
The write mentions snapdragon because thats all his limited intellect on the subject knows about. Hummingbird or any other 1GHZ PLUS cpu will work.
How does Blockbuster do it?
All I hear is how Netflix needs to have such and such for DMR. What I don't get, how is Blockbuster streaming content with Android devices? Verizon version of the Galaxy S includes Blockbuster.
I am really enjoying my Captivate and Android, but not having Netflix, Zumocast or airVideo has been a big disappointment for me. I wish I did a littel more research as i still can't beleive that Android base devices really don't have a true video streaming apps.
From what I gather, BB is not the same streaming as Netflix. It is basically a on-demand download. You need download to the phone before you watch. The content will auto-expire after certain priod.
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The write mentions snapdragon because thats all his limited intellect on the subject knows about. Hummingbird or any other 1GHZ PLUS cpu will work.
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Technically i don't think your assertion is correct.
I have read multiple articles on this and stating snapdragon processors "First" or "only" at this time is the line in all of them (and further specificy that Android 3.0 adds a pluggable DRM framework to OS). Some speculate that they will continue to work on ways to provide the app to smartphones who have processors that don't have the built in security like the snapdragon while you could just as easily suggest that the way they will do this is via OS updates and assume anyone that netflix matters to will just get a phone with a future android OS that have the drm framework already incorporated. (Before you say 3.0 is for tablets there is plenty of info suggesting that it will reach the smartphone level & if it doesn't future versions of the smartphone os like the rumored ice cream could bring similar security features).
All that aside i wouldn't put anything past the abilities of the talented developers here so even if that official app won't play nice with our hummingbird i wouldn't be surprised by a some kind of unofficial tweak that allows us to still get netflix streaming content.
There is even some speculation that some of the older phones using 1st gen snapdragon's that do not have the secureMSM may not be able to utilize the official app.
However Peters already admitted in his blog post that some Android handsets will never see the Netflix service. "This clearly is not the preferred solution, and we regret the confusion it might create for consumers," he said. "However, we believe that providing the service for some Android device owners is better than denying it to everyone."
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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Snapdragon-Netflix-video-streaming-greg-peters-Qualcomm,news-9893.html
Is gTab capable playing 1920x1080 H.264 video?
Which player should I download?
thanks!
I've been pretty happy with mVideoPlayer. It's supposed to play .mkv's but I honestly haven't tried it. But it's played everything I've thrown at it and I like how it can download the posters for your movies and tv episodes.
https://market.android.com/details?id=afzkl.development.mVideoPlayer
A lot of people seem to like MoboPlayer. I see that it's been recently updated and the changelog says something about Tegra2. I might have to try it.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.clov4r.android.nil&feature=top-free
I just noticed your signature saying that you use CM7. Supposedly CM7's hardware accelerated video playback isn't quite ready for primetime yet. You might have problems playing that HD video.
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I just noticed your signature saying that you use CM7. Supposedly CM7's hardware accelerated video playback isn't quite ready for primetime yet. You might have problems playing that HD video.
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Yeah, just found out it's not working.
Any of these player can play AVCHD (file extension m2t, mts, m2ts, etc)?
Thanks!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=881835
If above is true, then a conversion is required. This is unexpected when I read all the raves about the hardware specs.
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I just noticed your signature saying that you use CM7. Supposedly CM7's hardware accelerated video playback isn't quite ready for primetime yet. You might have problems playing that HD video.
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What roms support HD accell?
I am also running CM7 and find the video playback wonky and was wanting to move to a ROM that supports full HW Acell for now. I assume Vegan 7 doesnt also since its based off cm7? Does HC have any HW acell?
Only the Froyo-based roms have HW acceleration. The Nvidia drivers are only available for Froyo at the moment. Hopefully that changes some time in the future.
Is that only a problem for gTab or other tablets? Thanks!
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Is that only a problem for gTab or other tablets? Thanks!
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Just the tablets with this specific processor, the Tegra2 Harmony. There are a few out there but not many. The drivers may come out eventually, either officially or unofficially, but it might also never happen either.
There are plenty of Android tablets with newer versions of Android and hardware acceleration. They'll set you back at least $400 though.
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Just the tablets with this specific processor, the Tegra2 Harmony. There are a few out there but not many. The drivers may come out eventually, either officially or unofficially, but it might also never happen either.
There are plenty of Android tablets with newer versions of Android and hardware acceleration. They'll set you back at least $400 though.
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Yeah I may go with stock 4349 for now because it seems the only ROM (ok not a ROM but u know what I mean) that supports Netflix, Hardware Accel, and Flash.
It seems vegan 5.1.1 doesnt support netflix.
I just got my gTablet last week and after playing around with the stock software, I installed TnT lite 4.4 as well as Cyanogenmod 7. I've settled for now on CM7 for several reasons, but there are a few quirks I'm hoping will get worked out soon.
The most annoying of these quirks is the video issue. From reading I understand that CM7 has some issues with hardware acceleration and the 2.2 Froyo based ROMS should be better in this aspect - but when I used TnT lite 4.4, which was Froyo based it still had the exact same issues, even using the latest rockplayer. Why is it that the stock ROM could run HD videos so well, but not TnT lite 4.4?
My advice to you guys would be to try Brilliant Corners by roebeet. I can't link you to it but Google is your friend.
It seems like a lot of games do not work on this tablet even some of the tegra 3 games, am I the only one experiencing this? This is the first tablet I've owned so I'm not sure if the dev's just need to update the app or what? But it's kind of annoying...
Hey Guys,
I have a Galaxy Tab 2 7.0. I have purchased quite a few games and noticed that I can play them on my phone but they are not compatible or in the market for my tab. I use an HTC One V rooted with AOKP JB for my phone and can play Batman, Asphalt and others. I would really like to play the new Modern Combats that are out but they are not compatiable. Anyone know the reason why. I figured it becuase it doesn't have the Tegra processor and such, but I can overclock both CPU and GPU. I am totally willing to pay for these games and the games I have paid for would really like to play.
Is there any work around. Possibly tricking the market in thinking my Tab is something else to be able to download them?
Thanks
I was wondering the same thing.
some people might reply saying should of got tablet with the tegra processor
but those tablet dont have some things that this tablet has.
Do not know why these are not compatible with our tab.but most incompatible game when sideloaded works fine without any lag.
search YouTube for "modern tab on galaxy tab on 2" it works good on our tab.
First of all, let me list my Laptop specs
CPU: 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3630QM (2.40GHz 6MB Cache)
GPU:NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX660M 2GB with DirectX® 11
RAM: 8GB
I heard that the Nvidia shield officially doesn't support Laptop streaming, but has a good and reliable method for supporting streaming been released yet via third party app or something? If so, are there any good guides in order to do so(without screwing up any in the process?) I think i did hear that some laptops with some GPU(that i've never really heard of: Kepler I believe) can support it, but i'm not sure if my Laptop would fill the bill. I think I also heard something about optimus, but i don't even know what that is.
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First of all, let me list my Laptop specs
CPU: 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3630QM (2.40GHz 6MB Cache)
GPU:NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX660M 2GB with DirectX® 11
RAM: 8GB
I heard that the Nvidia shield officially doesn't support Laptop streaming, but has a good and reliable method for supporting streaming been released yet via third party app or something? If so, are there any good guides in order to do so(without screwing up any in the process?) I think i did hear that some laptops with some GPU(that i've never really heard of: Kepler I believe) can support it, but i'm not sure if my Laptop would fill the bill. I think I also heard something about optimus, but i don't even know what that is.
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Yea, Nvidia shield game streaing feature is NOT FORMALLY supported by Nvidia at the moment but it may come in near future. however, with the newer mobile GPUS ( keplet architecture based- such as series 600/700 etc) - u can probably try some other third party apps - ' splashtop + Droidmote combination ' - follow this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506438 .
some i heard tried kainy instead
Am in a similar situation like you with a mobile GPU GTX 680M but i am waiting for my shield to arrive, so can't confirm whether the methods mentioned above are good for smooth gameplay.
I'm not positive this will all still work for you, but cgutman worked on making streaming work from mobile kepler.
Check it out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2394478
Specifically this post might be useful: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47843410&postcount=91
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I'm not positive this will all still work for you, but cgutman worked on making streaming work from mobile kepler.
Check it out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2394478
Specifically this post might be useful: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47843410&postcount=91
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Okay guys, my Shield wont be coming until tomorrow. That said, I checked the above link, and it looks like someone got it working?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2394478&page=2
OMG!!!! It works. Credit to @cgutman!!!!!
Used the registry entry you provided. I am using a Lenovo Y400, that has the intel GPU disabled. It freaking works!!
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I have a Lenovo Y580 which isnt that much different from a 400. So maybe there is hope? Once I get it, i'll test it out, and maybe ask questions to things i dont understand
mobile streaming has been completely halted by nvidia in their latest updates. The only workaround that doesn't involve a 3rd party app (negating the native protocol support between tegra 4 and kepler) is to downgrade and then apply the reg fix. This also only works if you have a sole discrete gpu or can completely shut off optimus in the bios. poopoo to you nvidia.