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Thinking wild,
like in linux we can have live cd & boot from a live cd is it possible to make the android rom compatible for booting from internal or external sd card without installation?
This way we can test different roms without messing up the installed rom, the latest such implementation was done in 2009 for canon 5D camera & later for many other cameras having magic lantern firmware to boot from CF/SD card without messing up the firmware.
Any developer willing to look into this?
There are already such a thing called boot manager. It support multi-ROM installing. But only for HTC devices, even not Samsung I9000.
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Idea is fantastic. It looks like 'preview of rom' just like 'theme preview' in nokia. But practically its impossible. U can use emulator to run rom on computer.
fxzy said:
There are already such a thing called boot manager. It support multi-ROM installing. But only for HTC devices, even not Samsung I9000.
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Oh I didn't know that that boot manager exist can you give me the link for this please.
Are samsung chips locked in some way hence now allowing the booting?
U can use emulator to run rom on computer.
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@vishal24387 where can I find such emulator to run rom?
We need first USB OTG.
Like SGS2, but there we have a "hidden" partition, that is the second boot partition!
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Oh I didn't know that that boot manager exist can you give me the link for this please.
Are samsung chips locked in some way hence now allowing the booting?
@vishal24387 where can I find such emulator to run rom?
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adb emulator with a nandroid backup
dude sgsl9003 is talking about dual boot
Ok found the boot manager in the market & the description says
BootManager will not work with Samsung devices that are not listed because of the way Samsung handles the boot partition (probably hidden).
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No samsung device is listed only HTC work. Seems samsung purposely locking the devices & crippling the phones even though hardware supports many features?
kkrraazzyy said:
dude sgsl9003 is talking about dual boot
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Yes kind of dual boot like on my windows machine I still can boot into linux from the live cd, it will be ideal if android roms can be made to work like that but I am no developer & don't even know how this can be done hence inviting all genius rom developers to look into this possibility.
Developers will get a lot more feedback from users since then we could test roms (nightly build) as & when required without installation & messing up the stock rom.
Great idea, but very difficult to achieve. But i'm very positive that with the presence of some great devs we have here one day we can achieve such feat.
This is a good way of eliminating having to flash new ROM on our devices.
i have used dual boot in my motorola rokr e6 around 2 yrs before
kkrraazzyy said:
i have used dual boot in my motorola rokr e6 around 2 yrs before
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Great so do you think the same can be done for i9003?
hmm it was diffferent cause rokr e6 was an ezx phone based on linux but it is very different from android which is also based on linux
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19969004
Can we do this on i9003 as well? We're talking about samsung phones, the method has been ported to a galaxy s2... and dual boot might be useful for debugging alpha mods!
Is it possible? Or i9003 and Samsung Galaxy s2 are completely different phones?
what's the use?? i don't see why apart from novelty that someone would like to do this.
amit864 said:
what's the use?? i don't see why apart from novelty that someone would like to do this.
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Really? This is important for people who need a working phone but would like to try out (and maybe help) new roms. Here's why.
You have dual boot: you start the phone in the morning with Samsung's stock where everything works just fine. Then when you have time you switch back to a rom, go offline and try whatever you want. When you really need the phone you boot back to stock.
This would be helpful. I was thinking about how to port this, I know about chroot, but we need to start another kernel's image too. Maybe a script run on CWM recovery which changes boot img path and a modified kernel which sees his own as his legitimate partition? If we had grub this would be easy. I know linux tricks but I am not pratical with Android.
Galaxy 3 thread has a kernel called g3mod kernel, it supports multibiot, meaning placing the system.img in the kernel's folder, thus allowing you to multiboot, and keeping your data there.
Edit: if you search ard in the galaxy 3 dev thread, there is also a kernel called dual boot.
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I am not sure it is the correct way to test roms (to help the developers)
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Really? This is important for people who need a working phone but would like to try out (and maybe help) new roms. Here's why.
You have dual boot: you start the phone in the morning with Samsung's stock where everything works just fine. Then when you have time you switch back to a rom, go offline and try whatever you want. When you really need the phone you boot back to stock.
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Great, you know chroot. Looking forward for your port!!
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I was thinking about how to port this, I know about chroot, but we need to start another kernel's image too.
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BTW, why is this thread in Dev section??
amit864 said:
I am not sure it is the correct way to test roms (to help the developers)
Great, you know chroot. Looking forward for your port!!
BTW, why is this thread in Dev section??
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If you want to help, you're welcome, otherwise, just get away. As you said: this is the developer's section.
I'm afraid chroot is not enough. What needs to be done is to boot a different kernel. Chrooted OSs rely on your own kernel.
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Galaxy 3 thread has a kernel called g3mod kernel, it supports multibiot, meaning placing the system.img in the kernel's folder, thus allowing you to multiboot, and keeping your data there.
Edit: if you search ard in the galaxy 3 dev thread, there is also a kernel called dual boot.
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Thanks. Looking into it. I'll ask how they did it.
Hello, is there a way to take a screenshot without having to root my mt4gs?
i havent tried the app myself but i found 1 doing a quick search https://market.android.com/details?...9tLmFuZHJvaWRzY3JlZW5zaG90YXBwdG9vbC5mcmVlIl0.
this is a really good one that works on most phones and should work on mytouch its called Screenshot it
No root screenshot it works just fine
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I use DDMS (part of the Android SDK tools), myself.
There will be a native screen capture function if you can wait until ICS from HTC is released for our device.
Just my spare change.
cj chitwood said:
I use DDMS (part of the Android SDK tools), myself.
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That's great if by a computer with SDK installed, or if you need pictures from within recovery mode, but doesn't work once you get on the road - good to bring awareness of it up though.
CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
There will be a native screen capture function if you can wait until ICS from HTC is released for our device.
Just my spare change.
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It's already in the stock ROM. Just have to enable it like is done in Bulletproof.
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It's already in the stock ROM. Just have to enable it like is done in Bulletproof.
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Didn't know that awesome.
Just my spare change.
hey guys i am new to the htc game been in the moto game for a while took a step down from the bionic to this not the best idea but no choice was doing a bit of developing working on the miui port for bionic and plan to try and get a ics miui port over here!!!
question here is i am trying to get this baby rooted and do some modding and see what is going to have to be done to get some roms on this baby!!! and release some.. I am actually got sdk and adb set up finally trying to follow this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1558532 and not sure on all of the detail do i need to put both the img file and the taco-root file in the rot of the sd and how do i downgrade or do i actually need to do that and cwm?? do i just flash that via rom manager and unrooting proccess is that pretty simple?
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hey guys i am new to the htc game been in the moto game for a while took a step down from the bionic to this not the best idea but no choice was doing a bit of developing working on the miui port for bionic and plan to try and get a ics miui port over here!!!
question here is i am trying to get this baby rooted and do some modding and see what is going to have to be done to get some roms on this baby!!! and release some.. so i am on andorid 2.3.3 sense 2.1 software 2.76.651.5 kernal 2.6.35.10 build 2.76.651.1.5 i know sometimes software versions differer in how to get rooted and the proccess of full s off can some one please point me in the direction of rooting this baby!!? with of coarse cwm or amon recovery what every you guys use over here.. ill make it worth your while i promise..
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This post has the best links for ya... I personally prefer to do the downgrade manually.
You won't regret this device, trust me ... It says 800mhz on the box but I run at 1ghz and most shifts are overclockable to 1.8-1.9ghz. Sense isn't too bad either, i.m.o, way better than blur. Look forward to seeing ya around the forums! :beer:
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don't think you understood the question..
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don't think you understood the question..
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Since you are on 2.3.3 you will have to downgrade hboot and root from froyo. The link I posted goes to a post with links. The first link of that post is the one you are looking for...
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ok sorry not familiar with down grading i usually just flash a tar file or run a windows batch file that automatically roots and runs the scripts automatically for you..
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ok sorry not familiar with down grading i usually just flash a tar file or run a windows batch file that automatically roots and runs the scripts automatically for you..
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There are some batch scripts made by the developer Indirect... I believe the first link I posted has a link to that script as well... Its not difficult, just take your time and be patient...
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the first link goes to a paypal site 2nd link is going to just a general xda site and the third goes to a hboot downgrade..
Bfitz26 said:
the first link goes to a paypal site 2nd link is going to just a general xda site and the third goes to a hboot downgrade..
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Check this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1255474
Or this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1357157
And there's one more link to a script but I cant find it right now.
Like Drob said, to be able to get full s-off you'll have to downgrade your Hboot using one of the above mentioned methods. Or you could upgrade to 2.3.4 and use HTC's half ass unlock tool.
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cool man thanks look like no other way other than use sdk tool and what not slows my pc down whitch is why i don't really like it a whole lot.. at least we have a unlock bootloader..
Welcome to the shift section. We are the best community around . Enjoy unleashing the beast within. The shift is extremely underrated
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cool man thanks look like no other way other than use sdk tool and what not slows my pc down whitch is why i don't really like it a whole lot.. at least we have a unlock bootloader..
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I guess technically you dont have to use sdk/adb.. Im sure you could use terminal to temp root and push the misc.img, then use ShiftRR (an automated root for 2.2.) once you have ruu'ed.
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crump84 said:
I guess technically you dont have to use sdk/adb.. Im sure you could use terminal to temp root and push the misc.img, then use ShiftRR (an automated root for 2.2.) once you have ruu'ed.
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Yes, but in the long run it's going to be better to have all that ISH set up anyway .
Just a question and please dont take it the wrong way, but how does one plan on working on deving/porting miui or anything for that matter without the sdk/adb? I feel it is VERY important to have adb setup.
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cool man thanks look like no other way other than use sdk tool and what not slows my pc down whitch is why i don't really like it a whole lot.. at least we have a unlock bootloader..
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Let me know if you have any issues with the bootloader, I've been messing around with it a bit.
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Bfitz26 said:
cool man thanks look like no other way other than use sdk tool and what not slows my pc down whitch is why i don't really like it a whole lot.. at least we have a unlock bootloader..
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There's no need to use the unlock bootloader thing from htc, Indirect (over in the dev section) has a root method for 2.3.4 (if you choose to update to 2.3.4 anyway) that doesnt involve using the unlock tools
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Just a question and please dont take it the wrong way, but how does one plan on working on deving/porting miui or anything for that matter without the sdk/adb? I feel it is VERY important to have adb setup.
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thanks for the advise actually i have all tools set up running ubuntu right now have ported miui on bionic still bugs so i am really not a noob at all i am a noob to htc though..
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There's no need to use the unlock bootloader thing from htc, Indirect (over in the dev section) has a root method for 2.3.4 (if you choose to update to 2.3.4 anyway) that doesnt involve using the unlock tools
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cool man do youy have a link on how to do this ? actually taking my stock shift in for service today phone is constantly freezing on messaging app home screen where ever it feel the need to piss me off might be talking them into giving me a different phone if possible... haven't decided what not the evo though had that phone and returned it in like 5 days!!!
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cool man do youy have a link on how to do this ? actually taking my stock shift in for service today phone is constantly freezing on messaging app home screen where ever it feel the need to piss me off might be talking them into giving me a different phone if possible... haven't decided what not the evo though had that phone and returned it in like 5 days!!!
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Well if your taking it to Sprint. Upgrading it to 2.3.4 is probably one of the first things they'll do. Before they even trouble shoot it . if you end up keeping the device, and they upgrade it. you can use the method suggested above. The link is below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23895078
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i took it to sprint they didn't give me a new phone sigh... and they did some stupid test whitch i know i could have done myself being a hacker and all.. i noticed phone freezing lagging like crazy my epic at the time was wonderful.. but they didn't upgrade firmware at all.. so i guess how would i upgrade to 3.4 ??
Setting>system updates> firmware update.. rooting does solve all the problems that the phone has
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I know the SDK has AVD, but it's outdated and extremely slow. You can install custom roms on it but only older ones because its based on the yaffs2 filesystem and most current roms use EXT4. I had high hopes for bluestacks too but its locked down pretty tight and I don't see us being able to flash roms to it anytime soon. We have emulators for pretty much everything else, something like this shouldn't be too hard if we work at it. Dynamic recompilation seems to be the best way to go, but feel free to give input if you feel otherwise.
I guess our starting point should be here: http://fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/HOWTO.html
The man who wrote the guide above is some high-end developer that builds emulators for Android, but he seems to be pretty knowledgeable. He has an email you can contact him if you need help with a specific thing: [email protected].
As they come in, I'll list all the information regarding developments in this project in the post below.
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Wow! Looks an excellent project for Devs
I have few questions
1. Will be there a possibility to define and emulate specific devices?
2. How ROMs are flashed, the emulator will have a recovery too?
3. How many of you are working on it?
varun.chitre15 said:
Wow! Looks an excellent project for Devs
I have few questions
1. Will be there a possibility to define and emulate specific devices?
2. How ROMs are flashed, the emulator will have a recovery too?
3. How many of you are working on it?
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1.) One of the goals would be hardware and kernel emulation, I would imagine they could be set as variables where you could input your own kernel and we could make some predefined hardware options for you to choose from. It would be hard but I think it could be done.
2.) I don't exactly know, but seeing as that's how we already do it we could try. Early alphas would probably be more of a "kitchen" where your menu is in the terminal and you manually put your files in the respective folders.
3.) Just me at the moment, I haven't found anyone to help. I haven't really made too much progress either, right now I'm decompiling AVD to figure out how it runs.
If this works, it would be a lifesaver. I say we should PM you any predefined device settings we want, and have a drop down list that automatically sets it. And to emulate recovery I don't see happening like on our devices, but maybe some of the wipe features, and flashing over a current rom? Also anything you need for help I can do, just ask. I'm good at design, and UI, just can't create it myself. And can you possible make it cross platform? Because I switch between windows and Linux.
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If this works, it would be a lifesaver. I say we should PM you any predefined device settings we want, and have a drop down list that automatically sets it. And to emulate recovery I don't see happening like on our devices, but maybe some of the wipe features, and flashing over a current rom? Also anything you need for help I can do, just ask. I'm good at design, and UI, just can't create it myself. And can you possible make it cross platform? Because I switch between windows and Linux.
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I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 right now, so it's going to be Linux at first but once its stable enough the plan is to make it cross-platform. And I do need help, I need all the help I can get! Hence community project haha.
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I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 right now, so it's going to be Linux at first but once its stable enough the plan is to make it cross-platform. And I do need help, I need all the help I can get! Hence community project haha.
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I can live with Linux at first. And I know, but I mean any help a non-coder can give. I will at least test it, and give some device specifics, but anything else that I can really do?
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I can live with Linux at first. And I know, but I mean any help a non-coder can give. I will at least test it, and give some device specifics, but anything else that I can really do?
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Either way, I appreciate the help! Ill PM you if I need a tester and you should pop in every once in awhile to see how things are coming along. I'm not going to lie, this is harder than I thought it was but it seems do-able the more I study AVD.
I'm thinking we might be able to change the filesystem on AVD to run EXT3/EXT4 and get it to run a little smoother and build it to run without eclipse, then modify it to fit our needs.
That's sound good. And anyone who would get the most use of it would be fine with a terminal based one right now, and you can work on a GUI later unless someone else helps you soon. I'll keep checking as this comes along, hopefully it won't take too long to get a preview working.
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I am too up for testing!
You can use Qt for GUI, its easy.
Its based on C++ and hence is very fast than other GUI libraries.
varun.chitre15 said:
I am too up for testing!
You can use Qt for GUI, its easy.
Its based on C++ and hence is very fast than other GUI libraries.
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Any chance you would know how to use it and can help him?
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Any chance you would know how to use it and can help him?
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Yes I can
You can see my tool in my signature. It is based on Qt
varun.chitre15 said:
Yes I can
You can see my tool in my signature. It is based on Qt
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That's good. And your sig isn't showing up in the tapatalk app.
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I feel pretty confident in this project, I'm going through Androids source code starting with 1.5
I've been thinking this over, it would be much easier to add EXT3 and EXT4 support to AVD and tweak it for speed. Im working on it now, ill try to get an early alpha out as soon as I can put it together.
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I've been thinking this over, it would be much easier to add EXT3 and EXT4 support to AVD and tweak it for speed. Im working on it now, ill try to get an early alpha out as soon as I can put it together.
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Great
Do lemme know if you need any help with GUI
Originally Posted by flapflip22
I've been thinking this over, it would be much easier to add EXT3 and EXT4 support to AVD and tweak it for speed. Im working on it now, ill try to get an early alpha out as soon as I can put it together.
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Great
Do lemme know if you need any help with GUI
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Will do!
I'm not asking for an eta or anything, but have you got anything working yet, or still looking at the code? I really want to try this out soon.
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What is the status?
Hey guys,
After having nearly lost all my data because android would not recognize my Decryption password I would like to try to compile frost.
I don't know if it will work for the HTC one but I really want to give it a try to help out other people who might have to factory reset due to encrytion problems.
It looks fairly simple to compile it, only I have never compiled any kernel .img before.
Before I actually try to compile it I would like to get advice on how best to do it and what to avoid while compilling.
Again I really want to get this compiled for the HTC one as this had me in a really bad spot.
https://www1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/frost
I know there are some questions in here but I really do want to get it compiled for you guys in this thread to have a way of possibly recovering encrypted data.
Anyone else up for the challange?
What?
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What?
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What sort of reply is that?
I can help you compile it
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What?
You need to be a bit more specific
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MacHackz said:
What sort of reply is that?
I can help you compile it
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Thanks MacHackz. I really think alot of people could benefit from having a tool to recover encrypted data.
All I can say is I'm willing to try everything
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Thanks MacHackz. I really think alot of people could benefit from having a tool to recover encrypted data.
All I can say is I'm willing to try everything
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Firstly you need linux, and afaik this will only work on 4.1.2 right now
MacHackz said:
Firstly you need linux, and afaik this will only work on 4.1.2 right now
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Yeah I seen it will only work on 4.1.2 but lucky enough HTC hasn't update all devices to 4.2.2 yet .
I have a Ubuntu virtual machine setup for doing the compiling. Just installing required items now.
Should have everything setup tomorrow to start compilling
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Yeah I seen it will only work on 4.1.2 but lucky enough HTC hasn't update all devices to 4.2.2 yet .
I have a Ubuntu virtual machine setup for doing the compiling. Just installing required items now.
Should have everything setup tomorrow to start compilling
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Seems like you already know how
Edit: After further discussion we have decided to re-open this thread.
For now, lets leave it in general, once some development has been done we can talk about moving it back to development
Just wanted to say thank you for XDA for allowing us to start work in FROST.
I'm currently discussing FROST with a few other XDA'ers who are also interested in helping me out and getting this developed.
Once I know more (hopefully this evening) I will post an update.
Again thanks XDA for allowing this to be done
So u got the thread up, Awesome. Shoot me a pm when ya ready...
Welcome to your new home FROST
I'd like to help as well
I've got Eclipse/ADT set up ready to use for a couple of App ideas I've got. If it's just compiling Android code, I''m happy to help.
I've just finished a degree in Computer Security & Forensics (2:1) with a dissertation on Android security & security awareness. Prior to that I'v been a Systems Analyst and developer for a number of years (Mainframe/Unix/Microsoft). so although I'm fairly new to Android, I know my way roind an IDE or terminal editor and I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty woth code.
Nice to hear man, and looking forward to getting started.
Ive had a few issues with my pc and have got most of it sorted now. So of all goes well i will be able to start work after many delays
And I could definitely use you help if you can man
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lol, just have seen this.
The link to the University of Erlangen has some pretty neat resources, but I currently have no android phone to try making such a recovery image for.
For the case of (hopefully) your own phone you are trying to get the /data back: This software relies on the device having been unlocked not long ago. If the device was not unlocked for a week or so, you have no real chance of the keys being still in ram.
If you have a weak PIN, its bruteforce feature might work, if you have a strong one it may take very long. I'd recommend you to make a bit level image of the /data partition just in case (type man dd in your commandline in linux, the dd tool should also be in phone recoveries). And possibly try to encrypt it on your desktop that propably gets it done faster. Also you do not need to make a device specific recovery and you dont need to cross compile.
Also this: http://www1.cs.fau.de/filepool/projects/frost/frost.crackpin.tgz
might just work. Read through the README file in the archive, its straightforward.
thx good thing to konw
There's a reason they freeze the phone. If you hope to recover the keys from a phone that is powered off for anything like 5 mins or more forget it :/ . (The time really depends on the memory chips)
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darks1der said:
It looks fairly simple to compile it, only I have never compiled any kernel .img before.?
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Is thia project still being worked on, @darks1der? It looks promising!
Hey the project is being worked on however it is going slower that expected due to alot of personal issue's.
I hope to have everything resolved ASAP so I can devote my self to FROST
darks1der said:
Hey the project is being worked on however it is going slower that expected due to alot of personal issue's.
I hope to have everything resolved ASAP so I can devote my self to FROST
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Will FROST be able to recover deleted files from the phones internal storage? I'll send strength your way so that you'll get your life to awesomeness again.
FROST only works if your bootloader is unlocked. Since unlocking your bootloader wipes data you're screwed (unless there's some hack to prevent this for your device bootloader). Image the phone or copy the encryption header and try to brute force/dictionary attack your own password key as much as you want without worrying about data being wiped. Download Kali Linux live CD maybe it has some Android forensics tools I think it does. If not google around for 'android brute force encryption' somebody will have tools to do this.