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Mobile Dual booting - Android/WinXP

This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.

That is for running android on a computer. They just mention this method can be used to install WinXP, Ubuntu, Linux, etc on a computer. Then they mention using a Virtual Machine running both Windows CE and Android on a mobile phone. Windows CE is not WindowsXP.
That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".

Kinda speechless. The words that comes to mind are "Why God, Why?!"

Interesting...
Even though I can't see it happening, unless you VNC onto a WinXP remote PC (which isn't dual-booting), I would -still- install WinXP behind Android, just to see what it is like.
Question: if ARM support was ever hacked into XP, couldn't we use a Debian-type solution, using VNC, to get access?

That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".
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opps my bad, its not winxp. Nonetheless, there still is alot of potential.
You are right, the openness of Android is one of it's the selling point, but if you can intregrate decades of already made and proven software into your phone system, why not? There will be no need for any porting of your favorite non-main stream software.

Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!

imbonez9 said:
Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!
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Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
"Android is first and foremost a smartphone operating system, found on products such as the new MyTouch, the older G1, and others scattered around the world. But companies such as Acer and Asus are planning to put Android on Netbooks later this year, and several others are rumored to be following suit.
Chrome OS, however, is supposedly going to arrive on Netbooks first when it's scheduled to be ready in the second half of 2010. So how should companies thinking about alternatives to Windows on Netbooks navigate about Google's operating system strategy?
Google's blog post announcing Chrome OS acknowledged the overlap. "Android was designed from the beginning to work across a variety of devices from phones to set-top boxes to Netbooks. Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the Web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small Netbooks to full-size desktop systems.""
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shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.

tallnerd1985 said:
You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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Interesting, but can you switch to android?
Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
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I don't think the Chrome will become the next big thing. The primary use is for netbooks, which are slow and have limited functionality. People want to be able to do more then just surf the web on their computers. AND the big question that arises: if everything was browser based, what if you didnt have access to the net? ? Personally, I like the idea of the Android better on PCs and netbooks

Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
I was only trying to point out that they are not the same OS and are being aimed at different machines, wether they are being aimed at the right machines I am not so sure. If you read the full article on cnet Android is mentioned of as being designed to run on a wide range of devices from, get this, refrigerators, tv set-top boxes, and I have heard from other articles some car companies are considering using it on the touch screen displays they use. How sweet would it be to program your fridges icemaker from android, hahaha I wonder what it could do when you root it and flash some sweet cyan or jac rom lol.

shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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That's been around for a while, but hasn't been released, yet.
I wonder what kind of overhead there would be, though... I can't imagine it being very speedy.
tallnerd1985 said:
You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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That's different. What that does is execute the linux kernel and kick WM out of memory. You can't switch back and forth without restarting the phone. (It's available to a lot of phones.) But if we could figure out a similar way to do the same on an Android phone, that would be awesome.

crpercodani said:
Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
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You can have the Android on your PC, the steps are in the link on the first post. but right now... its not very practical to use it as an actual OS. Theres too many stuff lacking (flash 10 for example).

Windows on Tegra2 CES :)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/microsoft-to-announce-arm-based-windows-at-ces/
This is good news for all who want alternative os. i love android personally but there are still some things that can only be done in good ol M$ sorry to say.

Ha! I totally called this the other day. An ARM-based windows would be amazing, but it looks like it won't be here for another 2 years. I probably won't even own a g tablet at that time, but this is good news nonetheless.

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YES!
I can now have the famous "Blue Screen of Death" on my tablet.
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acuralegendz said:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/microsoft-to-announce-arm-based-windows-at-ces/
This is good news for all who want alternative os. i love android personally but there are still some things that can only be done in good ol M$ sorry to say.
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Sounds like this is aimed squarely at Cortex-A15 due out shortly and targetted at servers. M$ is running scared, crapping their britches as they had dropped support for everything but x86 which would have meant big business for linux and other OSes with broader CPU support...
(Back in the day, M$ used to support PowerPC, ARM, MIPS, etc. but nobody running anything halfway powerful ruined it by running Windows NT on it... so since nobody bought it, M$ dropped support...)
As to things you can "only do" in Windows: That's unlikely as what you probably want to do will only be available in x86 compatible binary form...

wasserkapf said:
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YES!
I can now have the famous "Blue Screen of Death" on my tablet.
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Lets be fair here. Force closes on android might as well be a blue screen. And most of us still report issues with having to power cycle the Gtab daily to prevent excessive slowdown. Not that apple is no picnic either. I was plagued by crashing apps constantly on my ipod touch when I had it.
I can definitely see windows being useful to use REAL MS office for documents as well as a whole pile of other "apps" that are just stripped down versions of the desktop version with bugginess to show it. Plus, Microsoft's development model is designed around making windows work(or 'work' if you prefer ) on any piece of hardware you through at it that belongs to a supported chipset family. This SHOULD mean much simpler out of the box installs for people adding windows to their tab on their own accord.
Sure, it's not going to be a solution for EVERYONE, but there is definitely good reason to release it.

TheMongol said:
Lets be fair here. Force closes on android might as well be a blue screen. And most of us still report issues with having to power cycle the Gtab daily to prevent excessive slowdown. Not that apple is no picnic either. I was plagued by crashing apps constantly on my ipod touch when I had it.
I can definitely see windows being useful to use REAL MS office for documents as well as a whole pile of other "apps" that are just stripped down versions of the desktop version with bugginess to show it. Plus, Microsoft's development model is designed around making windows work(or 'work' if you prefer ) on any piece of hardware you through at it that belongs to a supported chipset family. This SHOULD mean much simpler out of the box installs for people adding windows to their tab on their own accord.
Sure, it's not going to be a solution for EVERYONE, but there is definitely good reason to release it.
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FCs are NOWHERE near as bad as BSODs... and they're pretty uncommon in a well built Android implementation...
As to apps, I wouldn't get your hopes too high, as I mentioned above this is likely aimed at servers which don't need "Office", and even IF it does show you can bet that there are going to be TONs of apps that just never get ARM versions. I expect this to end up like M$' last experiement in non-x86 arch, i.e. a dismal failure.
M$ is just grasping at straws now as it slowly withers away.

First off, let me say I love AOSP. I also used Mac's exclusively from 1984 to 1991. I'm no fan of apple's closed ecosystem, however. Although I primarily use Windows-based systems, I always maintain a dual-boot with Linux.
I think Microsoft gets bashed way too much these days. The BSOD reference, although funny, isn't really fair. Win7 is a solid operating system and their Mobile7 OS looks very good too.
What really attracts me to AOSP is nearly identical to what got me to switch from apple to PCs (i.e. Microsoft OS) back in 1991--the inherent flexibility of the OS. No doubt Microsoft is in a tough position these days, but I just hate to see them get bashed unfairly--they've done a LOT of stuff right, and continue to do innovative stuff (Kinect, Mobile7).

zerozed99 said:
First off, let me say I love AOSP. I also used Mac's exclusively from 1984 to 1991. I'm no fan of apple's closed ecosystem, however. Although I primarily use Windows-based systems, I always maintain a dual-boot with Linux.
I think Microsoft gets bashed way too much these days. The BSOD reference, although funny, isn't really fair. Win7 is a solid operating system and their Mobile7 OS looks very good too.
What really attracts me to AOSP is nearly identical to what got me to switch from apple to PCs (i.e. Microsoft OS) back in 1991--the inherent flexibility of the OS. No doubt Microsoft is in a tough position these days, but I just hate to see them get bashed unfairly--they've done a LOT of stuff right, and continue to do innovative stuff (Kinect, Mobile7).
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M$ is getting what they deserve.
I'll admit that Windows 7 is much better than Vista, but my only use for Windows is for games that won't run under wine.
BSOD: Android equivalent would actually be a kernel panic...

cutterjohn said:
FCs are NOWHERE near as bad as BSODs... and they're pretty uncommon in a well built Android implementation...
As to apps, I wouldn't get your hopes too high, as I mentioned above this is likely aimed at servers which don't need "Office", and even IF it does show you can bet that there are going to be TONs of apps that just never get ARM versions. I expect this to end up like M$' last experiement in non-x86 arch, i.e. a dismal failure.
M$ is just grasping at straws now as it slowly withers away.
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Quite frankly, BSOD is often just as bad as a FC for me. For me at least, when something force closes the whole system is starting to act slow and choppy. I end up having to reboot anyway.
I find many user experience to be subjective as far as BSOD goes anyway. Honestly, I can count on two hands the number of times I have had a BSOD since I stopped running win98(with the exception being when I had bad ram). Half of these were do to me testing win7& vista release candidates. The rest were due to my own errors with raid drivers.
I'm curious to see what happens with this initiative though. It is difficult to imagine where exactly they will draw the line between Windows Mobile and windows "lite" or whatever they call the new version. I wouldn't be surprised if they get in over their heads and change their development path to the likes of apple/android and expand the mobile platform to these "light" computer architectures.
At the end of the day, I dont think I want a tablet that needs a virus scanner

Ubuntu to make mobile os version. Phone/tablet

Didn't see this anywhere, if it is sorry. This would be awesome though. I love android but ububtu if done correctly would be awesome.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-linux-heads-to-smartphones-tablets-and-smart-tvs/9834
(let's hope a couple of trolls don't jack this thread with "let's hope they don't steal from apple like android" or some other android hater rants.)
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I'm interested in this too!

That could be interesting. I'm a long time Ubuntu user but I recently stopped using it due to Gnome 3 / Unity- really not my cup of tea. I remember thinking at the time that it was better suited to smaller screens/tablets, so maybe that was the plan all along

Don't know how close android is to linux, think it uses a linux kernel, but it would be awesome if it could use android apps like I think blackberry's playback.
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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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Of course.
I am already trying to get Ubuntu (console version) running on my already existing mobile phones.
For phones they would need to create a suitable gui and phone apps of course (phone book, dialer, etc.). Could be nice.

Don't see Ubuntu on my smartphone but it'll be awesome to install it on tablet.

This looks awesome! I can't wait to see the final product.

Looks nice, a good mobile Linux build not made by Nokia... Epic. I know many who want a real Linux phone.

Kailkti said:
I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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i hate ubuntu 11.10.
and ubuntu would be cool on a phone. they would have to cut a deal with a phone company in order to do it, however. and HTC, samsung, LG... etc... they are already running a linux OS with android. it will be a long time before it is mainstream, and it would not have google supporting it (which would obviously have pros and cons) but i would stick with android simply because it is what i am used to at this point. ubuntu is more of a developer platform and it would basically just be bare bones on a phone. no market, hardly any apps, etc... it wouldn't give me the same experience i would want on a phone.

Kailkti said:
I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
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I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.

neuTrue said:
You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
Back to topic:
I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.
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Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)

Me too that is what open source is about anyway.

Kailkti said:
Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.

neuTrue said:
I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.
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Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.

Kailkti said:
Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.
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Well, good luck in whatever you pick

bagers said:
And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)
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There's so much fail in this post. OS's are dependent on supported hardware, so you'll never have total freedom on OS choice. Bootloaders are always opened up within a month or two of a device being released, private party or otherwise. And yes, you can "brick" your PC if you are a numbskull and improperly load an OS or wipe critical files, it's just much simpler to recover. Phones lack an external keyboard, cd-rom drives, etc, so loading external recovery media or getting to a recovery point is more difficult.
FYI: One reason why carriers don't like users messing with mobile devices is because the majority are on contract extensions, so basically you pay a lowered subsidized cost on the phone in return for your business. This means that they have a vested financial interest in your mobile device. PC's, you buy outright. You don't go under contract to buy a new PC (except for credit card or financing, but they don't care what you buy, you just need to pay back).
As far as Ubuntu mobile, it's a great idea, but it's a pipe dream for at least the next 5 years. There's just too little support and mainstream use for that, and you have Ubuntu backing it, not "household" names like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. PC's is a completely different target market than mobile devices.

more recent ubuntu isn't coded for armv6 but runs on armv7.
I read anything from lucid on up is only for armv7 or better.
my armv6 optimus v does a lovely job of running the full desktop armel debian squeeze (or sid) in a chroot; it just needs hardware drivers to straight-up boot debian instead of running it with android at the same time.
it wouldn't be that hard to release it as a mobile os, except for the proprietary drivers on all the different phones and tablets.

i hope we can install it on older WinMo hardware

Alternate world without Android

Say that android was never released (or discontinued after initial release as a failure)
What do you think would be
(*) Outcome of the mobile world?
(*) what phone you'd be using?
I think, if Android ceased to exist, ill still be on old Windows Mobile.
Microsoft wouldnt have felt to need to update to WP7 as they had no need to compete with anyone apart from apple.
So as a result WP7 ceases to exist
I think apple would not have introduced multitasking or the fancy new features in their iPhones. They have no one to compete with
I don't think dual core would be high end (1ghz would be high end even in 2012, and would be ground breaking news)
I don't think apple will have released an ipad. They wouldnt need to compete.
I think I would still be using a WM phone if android didn't exist, and have no tablet...
HTC would still be a unknown company that no one has heard of, and they produce phones for carriers
XDA site wont be as popular or well known as now.
The mobile world would still be a few steps behind
More to come ..
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PalmOS will still be dominating the market strong
Apple will have gone bankrupt, as Microsoft couldn't afford to buy out Apple's doomed stock, due Microsoft own low sales of Windows CE v10.1
PalmOS would have been v15.6 by now with new improved GUI and Eye pupil control to select & run Apps from the phone, with voice dictation a voice command perfected even for people with heavy accent
while still keeping the good old fashioned pen, for those that likes to hand write on the screen as before
PalmOS has become open source, and old Apps are still backward compatible with the latest PalmOS
making the life of Doctors and tons of other professional easier without having to wait for new Apps releases to work on the new OS

Without Android I think Apple would be very dominant in the cell phone market.
I don't think there would be many (or nearly as many) lawsuits being thrown around b/c Apple wouldn't feel threatened.
I don't think the iPhone would really be changed as much though. Apple has a very strong almost cult following that will shell out the money every year for a new device so I don't think they really need to succumb to the trends of the market. If anything I agree they wouldn't have multitasking and probably no dual core processor.
Sadly I'd probably own an iPhone

What would happen if no one ever created bread?!

ihellion said:
What would happen if no one ever created bread?!
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I can haz no sammiches?

ihellion said:
What would happen if no one ever created bread?!
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Plenty of cultures don't make use of bread.
If there was no Android, I'd probably be using an iPhone.

Etrick said:
I can haz no sammiches?
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No PB&J, the humanities!
bleach168 said:
Plenty of cultures don't make use of bread.
If there was no Android, I'd probably be using an iPhone.
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Plenty of cultures don't have power, I think we'd be OK, and people would have innovated another type of smart phone OS. I think a better question is "What has Android done to change the market, and maybe the world?"

Windows Phone would be around but be different in Name/Look... iOS wouldn't be as rushed to add MMS and so on.. SO it would look the same (surprise surprise) but with some missing features. Windows Mobile OS would probably continue the look of 6.5 with overall changes to compete with iOS...
Overall Android caused a lot of thinking for both Apple and Microsoft ... If only we can see into a world like that... Now im curious

Would you try essential with WebOS?

LG just realeased a statement that they are open sourcing WebOS with all the fixings included to inspire innovation. Would you try WebOS on the essential?
https://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=20357

Jonathanlc2005 said:
LG just realeased a statement that they are open sourcing WebOS with all the fixings included to inspire innovation. Would you try WebOS on the essential?
https://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=20357
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No, why?
Android is Linux based.
WebOS is Linux based. WebOS has no development community. Unless you can run the Android UI on top what's the point?
If you can run the Android UI, still what's the point?

I would definitely try it, webOS was far ahead of Android in terms of UI and connectivity options (synergy was amazing) when it was released. I haven't followed the development cycle of where this codebase came from but if it focuses on being lightweight and having similar plugin style features it would be a great alternative mobile OS. Especially when OEMs stop supporting devices (like my LG watch Urbane)
This is only good to tinker with thought, I'd be very hesitant using such a new OS for a daily driver just from a stability and security standpoint let alone the lack of support/apps/coommunity/etc. I wonder how it compares to something like Tizen in it's current state.

d0u8l3m said:
I would definitely try it, webOS was far ahead of Android in terms of UI and connectivity options (synergy was amazing) when it was released. I haven't followed the development cycle of where this codebase came from but if it focuses on being lightweight and having similar plugin style features it would be a great alternative mobile OS. Especially when OEMs stop supporting devices (like my LG watch Urbane)
This is only good to tinker with thought, I'd be very hesitant using such a new OS for a daily driver just from a stability and security standpoint let alone the lack of support/apps/coommunity/etc. I wonder how it compares to something like Tizen in it's current state.
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I think you pointed out something very nicely. Why not older Android watches?

I would love to support WebOS in general. I remember playing with the Palm Pre back in the day and hoping the OS would grow legs. But, I'm happy to see that it didn't totally die. As a web developer, anything that could potentially increase value to my existing skillset is very welcome.

I run Android on my HP Touchpad, which shipped with WebOS.

WebOS was nice back in the day...but hampered by the hardware it was forced to run on, much like early Android or iOS. Would be neat to playu with it again, but is is basically abandonware by app devs at this point

Of course we'd be willing to try it

Answer to OP: No
Much of what made webOS cool had found itself to Android and iOS.
But to say web is has no development is wrong. It lives on.
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