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WebOS port to higher end hardware?

As a current Motorola atrix owner as well as a pixi owner, I love the polished UI and multitasking abilities of WebOS much more than Android. That being said, the device I currently use is almost four times more powerful than my pixi and nearly as powerful as the new touchpad. I was thinking that if the homebrew community is able to port WebOS to not only more powerful hardware but more hardware in general it would greatly benefit the survival and well-being of WebOS. So would anybody want to develop a port for the Motorola Atrix? I will offer as much of my help as possible.
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atrix103 said:
As a current Motorola atrix owner as well as a pixi owner, I love the polished UI and multitasking abilities of WebOS much more than Android. That being said, the device I currently use is almost four times more powerful than my pixi and nearly as powerful as the new touchpad. I was thinking that if the homebrew community is able to port WebOS to not only more powerful hardware but more hardware in general it would greatly benefit the survival and well-being of WebOS. So would anybody want to develop a port for the Motorola Atrix? I will offer as much of my help as possible.
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I would love to see this project take off! Even if I have no Atrix
In theory this can be done as WebOS built on top of Linux kernel (the same way as Android) and the kernel modifications are available from HP. But the whole OS is not open source so I'm not sure how legal a port would be... It's not a technical problem (even I was able to get to root image) but it can stop a lot of developers... But as I said, I'm fully supporting this project!
Are there anyone who knows how to extract the uImage? Or that if it has a similar initramfs as th Android zImage?

To be honest I have to reasons for choosing the atrix, 1. I have it and I want a port . 2. It should be simpler, if not at least a little more straight forward, to port the HP Touchpad's image to the Attic since they have similar specs and are both based on ARM Cortex A-9 architecture.
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HP said that they will release WebOS for other phones the next year.

TravisAntonio said:
HP said that they will release WebOS for other phones the next year.
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What's your source? From what I've read, they're only considering it.

anghelyi said:
I would love to see this project take off! Even if I have no Atrix
In theory this can be done as WebOS built on top of Linux kernel (the same way as Android) and the kernel modifications are available from HP. But the whole OS is not open source so I'm not sure how legal a port would be... It's not a technical problem (even I was able to get to root image) but it can stop a lot of developers... But as I said, I'm fully supporting this project!
Are there anyone who knows how to extract the uImage? Or that if it has a similar initramfs as th Android zImage?
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Everyone tries to port webOS to other phones but we never see the fruit come into fruition. Where's that HTC Hero port they were supposedly making?

The phone that will end all

http://www.gforgames.com/gadgets/htc-edge-specs-quad-core-release-date-15691/
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They say the same for every new phone yet we still find the need to prepare ourselves for the newer iPhone. >.> Give anything a couple months then it'll be fodder for the beasts to come.

It won't end anything. iPhone is known for it's easy to use software, an average consumer isn't going to buy a Quad Core Android they will buy a sleek and easy to use smartphone. But yes, this will make all those "IPHONE IS SO COOL AND FASTER THAN ANDROID" iFags shut up.

I thought all new ICS phones would be without soft keys at the bottom...
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Hmmm, well it will surely be interesting to compare the Qualcomm CPU's with the TEGRA 3 one.
I'll be the first testing that phone !

HeavenlyWinds said:
It won't end anything. iPhone is known for it's easy to use software, an average consumer isn't going to buy a Quad Core Android they will buy a sleek and easy to use smartphone. But yes, this will make all those "IPHONE IS SO COOL AND FASTER THAN ANDROID" iFags shut up.
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No it won't, iOS and WP7 run smoother and faster due to full software/hardware optimization. It never was about hardware, android is just ill-optimized.

z33dev33l said:
No it won't, iOS and WP7 run smoother and faster due to full software/hardware optimization. It never was about hardware, android is just ill-optimized.
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+1. Love Android, but Google is still in it's infancy when it comes to the OS game. That being said, I'll be supporting open source as long as I live. If someone thinks that Android or WP7 is difficult to use, they're obviously iTarded. I respect Apple's ability to create a quality, well polished product, but I'll never support a company who enforces my user experience.

Android is only a year younger than iOS and it still doesn't have the fluidity in its physics like iOS or Windows Phone 7. It would be nice if they would concentrate on making a solid build instead of trying to release the latest and greatest all of the time.
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GSX-Rob said:
+1. Love Android, but Google is still in it's infancy when it comes to the OS game. That being said, I'll be supporting open source as long as I live. If someone thinks that Android or WP7 is difficult to use, they're obviously iTarded. I respect Apple's ability to create a quality, well polished product, but I'll never support a company who enforces my user experience.
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WP7 is locked down...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1336704&highlight=edge

[Q] WebOS dual boot on Android devices

I have always liked WebOS. Since the first Pre came out I've always wanted to purchase a WebOS device but I knew Android and iOS have a much bigger audience and therefor end up being the better operating systems. But once I was finally able to buy my Touchpad shorly after the fire sale WebOS proved to be even better than I had ever expected. WebOS has always run perfectly smooth for me and I always use WebOS instead of Cyanogenmod other than the fact that Android has a much much larger App Market. I have no idea why WebOS started getting such a horrible reputation, but I'll stop my whining.
I'm hoping that there is someone out there that feels the same way that I do about WebOS and, now that WebOS is going to be open source, will try to DUAL BOOT WebOS and Android on regularly Android based devices. I know nothing about writing code for any platform and, as much as I would like to, I don't really have the time to even figure out where to start learning.
Does anyone know what it would take for it to be possible to run WebOS on a device like the Motorola Atrix?

Also interested in this.
I haven't done much low level dev, but would love to dive in on a project like this.

I also would love to see this happen now that WebOS is open source. I can see myself abandoning Android all together some day (years from now), since, honestly, WebOS seems better in many regards. It's just amazing..
I've been reading about Android UI lagginess issues from various Google Plus posts and it seems to me that ICS isn't going to be our savior in terms of smoothness improvements. I wish the Android team would put more effort into making Android as smooth as.. every competitior.. but it seems like they're not. UI smoothness is a huge factor for me. It's frustrating when the simplest of animations stutter or scrolling doesn't react as expected. It shouldn't be that way.
WebOS seems ultra polished. I can't wait.

webOS on the HTC XL... Mmmmmm!

If I could port it in my Arc S and if it's going to be stable I would never use android anymore...

Interesting idea. I'd definitely be interested in seeing how it would run on other devices. I had a palm pre for quite a while and, while I like the phone/OS, the hardware was just terribly constructed and was constantly in for repair.

I've had two pre pluses, first one dropped in a toilet, second one stated to get ether dreaded oreo effect. And the pre two all on Verizon. I absolutely loved it. But the horrible reputation comes from not the software but from the horrible hardware. I told myself constantly it wasn't do bad, but it was. And also from mismanagement both at palm and HP. When they announced the veer pre three and touchpad in February (holy hell a lot had happened this year) and said that any phone before the pre two will not get updated to webos 2.0, just pissed off the whole community. And that's after saying that three phones would. About the only thing HP did right was embracing the homebrew community.
All that being said, I would have my thunderbolt's screen replaced to get webos running on it. I honestly believe that it would turn most any phone into a world beater.
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Why webOS

Okay I'm currently running ICS on my evo 3d and know pretty much nothing about webOS could someone tell me the features of it.! Cuz ik a guy is working on an evo 3d webos rom now
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WebOS is what I know a mix between Palm OS, and iOS....
Other than that, I know almost nothing about it....
Google is your friend, so go ahead and use her... she is the only girl who won't mind you using her...
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Not worth flashing in my opinion, Android is superior in every way. It's just so far behind.
I can't think of any features of WebOS that Android doesn't already have.

ColdBlog said:
Not worth flashing in my opinion, Android is superior in every way. It's just so far behind.
I can't think of any features of WebOS that Android doesn't already have.
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Swipe!, The lovely calendar!, TRUE MULTITASKING, Really Apps that you can use to work (NOT MILLION APP OF FLASHLIGHTS!).
And WebOS is a lot powerful it doesn't use everything on the phone. For example I installed Ubuntu on my Pre with 1.00 Ghz (Not dual Core) and my Atrix 1.45 Ghz (Dual Core) and my Pre runs a lot better.
Now that WebOS is open source but not already all the files I will not have doubt or even think twice about install WebOS on my Android phone.
This is just my point of view.
*I like ICS but it lacks yet of a lot of features that I was waiting for...but I still like it *
Thanks for all and God bless you.

Easily hacking, great multitasking, webos internals. Id love to run it on my RAZR, though don't want to **** with doing it.
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Funny question and answers.
I was talking to a friend 2 days ago, iOS developer... big Linux and Mac fan who preached to the 7 corners of the Universe that iOS was the way and that Windows was hell. He was then forced into Microsoft stuff because MS just created a partnership with his college and basically took over every IT division. Guess what? He's a MS technology convert. iOS now sucks and WP7 is the way... it took several months, several coding and MS visits, but he's a convert.
Conclusion: Most people have no clue what they're talking about when bashing on other technologies / Mobile OS's.
I can't talk about Symbian 'cause that one I haven't used but, out of every other mobile OS, WebOS is to me - with WP7 mango close behind - the best Mobile OS there is. iOS and Android have all caught up since Palm introduced it and it's sad the Pre was such a horrible hardware.. but for example, I have yet to find an e-mail app that compares just a bit to the native webOS email client. I have tried ALL of them... ALL, like every single one of them on my EVO (for almost 2 years now) and NONE compares or are capable of handling messages like webOS do. That is only one feature.
What's wrong about webOS for the general public? The lack of the thousand flashlight apps available. You'd be a fool, otherwise, not to try it...
And yes, I am a proud HTC EVO 4G user who still don't understand why Google with all the money in the world and engineers; and its proud developers can't do complex things pretty, easy and efficient as Palm managed to do in webOS; with almost $0 cash.
Just make sure everything works and that your favorite app is available in webOS
before jumping ship. Otherwise you'll be blaming webOS and not the developer who didn't ported said app.

I've used both operating systems. webos is true multitasking, making it is easier to jump between open programs. You can even group open windows/programs together in stacks if you want.
With HP releasing open source WebOS, it will be more universal than Andriod.

Wow, I love opinions . I have only used ios and android, so as stated above I will not bash what I haven't experienced. My only fear is that web OS won't have all the games/apps I want. It sounds like webOS is a multitasker's best friend however. And I agree. It blows my mind that with MILLIONS of developers android has, many being on XDA, we (because I am trying to learn developing also) can't perfect the OS. But yeah, I won't convert until ik that my favorite apps/games are available on web. Sounds amazing nonetheless though.!
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ognimnella said:
Okay I'm currently running ICS on my evo 3d and know pretty much nothing about webOS could someone tell me the features of it.! Cuz ik a guy is working on an evo 3d webos rom now
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because of my veer 4g

I love Webos

The multitask on webos is awsome, Android multitask has nothing to with that, even the Ice Cream Sandwich multitask is not as goood as the webos one and the notification is also awsome on webos, i miss these on my Galaxy S.

You had to have actually used WebOS for a few days to understand its beauty (I had Pre 1 & 2).
You can toggle radio, Bluetooth, screen, flashlight directly from the pull down menu, which is always available. Frequently used apps (the bottom route odd home screen) can be brought up from any app/screen by dragging your finger up, instead of having to press home, then select (of course, you can do that too).
True multitasking, live background app previews (apps update their screens in the background; notice ICS background apps like music have old screen shots). 2 motions to close current app and choose another open app (ICS needs 5!), 1 sideways swipe to toggle between previous and next apps (2 taps on ICS, and I frequently select the wrong one of the last two),
WebOS internals made finding, installing, and updating hacks & kennels a no brainer (CWM is brain surgery on comparison). The list goes on.
The interface and interaction were just very smooth & efficient. It just seems like everything takes longer to accomplish on Android. I'm pretty happy with my Galaxy Nexus, but a merge of WebOS and Android would be the dream phone OS.

ColdBlog said:
Not worth flashing in my opinion, Android is superior in every way. It's just so far behind.
I can't think of any features of WebOS that Android doesn't already have.
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i agree with you , Android is a power !!!
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Alexandre1545 said:
The multitask on webos is awsome, Android multitask has nothing to with that, even the Ice Cream Sandwich multitask is not as goood as the webos one and the notification is also awsome on webos, i miss these on my Galaxy S.
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absolutely with you in this !!

palmcrash said:
You had to have actually used WebOS for a few days to understand its beauty (I had Pre 1 & 2).
You can toggle radio, Bluetooth, screen, flashlight directly from the pull down menu, which is always available. Frequently used apps (the bottom route odd home screen) can be brought up from any app/screen by dragging your finger up, instead of having to press home, then select (of course, you can do that too).
True multitasking, live background app previews (apps update their screens in the background; notice ICS background apps like music have old screen shots). 2 motions to close current app and choose another open app (ICS needs 5!), 1 sideways swipe to toggle between previous and next apps (2 taps on ICS, and I frequently select the wrong one of the last two),
WebOS internals made finding, installing, and updating hacks & kennels a no brainer (CWM is brain surgery on comparison). The list goes on.
The interface and interaction were just very smooth & efficient. It just seems like everything takes longer to accomplish on Android. I'm pretty happy with my Galaxy Nexus, but a merge of WebOS and Android would be the dream phone OS.
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+1 I miss hacking my pre on the fly. Want a new Kernal, just pop open internalz, made it so.much easier.
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Palm is the grand daddy of the current smartphones IMO. Palm OS was a great OS with amnny apps (favorite was the player that let me open mkv videos).. WebOS is great follow up to it but was overtaken by android. To me webos is a polished easy(I mean real easy OS) to use it feels like something meant for a phone where as android is so complicated in comparison that half the people that have it don't even know its pontential and simply use it as a regulaar phone. Its sad to seea how webos has gone down it would have been an OS any one could usand not need a be a surngent to understand

Used android for years, rooted, latest roms, etc. Even swapped out radio image files. Got my touchpad after the firewall, and love webOS. As has been pointed out, everything is easier, love the multitasking.
Currently getting ready to triple boot with Ubuntu and Android simply because I need access to some very specific apps. Outside of those apps, I will still be using webOS as my daily. Still a cleaner and faster OS.
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I have a Touchpad with cm9 ics and webOS for the original boot. I think webOS is smooth and fast. It's enjoyable to run it after being on android for so long.
Plus android cm9 ics has no front facing camera. So I jump into webOS to use Skype.
Best of both worlds.
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android is getting better and better...
I also have a HP TP with CM9 now... the android versions getting better and better with every (nightly) version, but the main performance issues are too heavy. e.g. there is no dual core support, the 3D engine doesnt work at its possibilities and, maybe not as important as the over issues, the camera.
the really good thing on webOS is the awesome multitasking feature! webos also ist veery smooth an fast...very sad that there isnt (yet) a big community workin on it (but soucre seems to be published so..)
i work on both systems. but android is my main system for things like games and facebook. but for HD movies for example i switch to webos

Meego (what Intel and Nokia were working together) was open sourced and even it is not being developed on. The real problem is that there is no momentum and impact on WebOS, compared to iOS and Android. While it may have good ideas, a lot of the problems in contributing comes from hardware compatibility. The touchpad audience is kinda small, compared to what Android is being targeted at. I imagine porting it to other phone/tablet devices would bring it's own bag of problems, too.

shurane said:
Meego (what Intel and Nokia were working together) was open sourced and even it is not being developed on. The real problem is that there is no momentum and impact on WebOS, compared to iOS and Android. While it may have good ideas, a lot of the problems in contributing comes from hardware compatibility. The touchpad audience is kinda small, compared to what Android is being targeted at. I imagine porting it to other phone/tablet devices would bring it's own bag of problems, too.
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Meego never had a market. Only two devices were ever released. webOS felt like it had a chance to beat iOS when it first came out, and was a flagship phone for Sprint for a time.
webOS, on the other hand, has a lot of loyal users and developers ready to help deal with any hardware problems when we get started porting. There are a good number of developers hanging over on Sprint with their Pre-'s, or even better, FrankenPre 2's. People who are willing to do that for an OS are the kind that aren't leaving you any time soon.

[Q] Port OpenWEBOS to MT4GS?

OK, who is brave enough to attempt to port the newly released Open WebOS 1.0 to our trusty MT4GS? :good:
http://www.openwebosproject.org/

This can be done with minor issues The Qualcomm chip in our device is the same as the Touchpad.

AgentCherryColla said:
This can be done with minor issues The Qualcomm chip in our device is the same as the Touchpad.
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Exactly, and it uses a Linux kernel just like Android. A good dev should be able to work this as easily as one of the ICS roms.

I love WebOS on my TouchPad, it's a really nicely thought out OS, with an intuitive UI. (Though I dual boot into CM9 most of the time.) I think my only real complaint is the app tray.
What I'd love to see is a way to run Android apps in WebOS. Like BlackBerry did with their Playbook for a while.

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I love WebOS on my TouchPad, it's a really nicely thought out OS, with an intuitive UI. (Though I dual boot into CM9 most of the time.) I think my only real complaint is the app tray.
What I'd love to see is a way to run Android apps in WebOS. Like BlackBerry did with their Playbook for a while.
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OpenWebOS can run some Android apps already, I believe.

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OpenWebOS can run some Android apps already, I believe.
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NO WAY!
That's awesome!

I have always wanted to use WebOs. I would LOVE to see this ported
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My take on this is that since the MT4GS is already a discontinued device, I would rather have the experts that like our phone pay attention to sustaining our support on the Android family of software. On some other devices, you get more developers that can spread the load, but ours is a bit more of a niche device with limited sales, so trying to spread the developer load across multiple OS's is even worse than the spread across sense vs. non-sense builds. There is only a limited amount of interest in developing for a device like ours, and I would rather them focus on a few paths that will result in the the most useful, supported builds. WebOS was a limited OS as it was, so as good as it may have been, it isn't what we will get any (limited) support to develop towards IMHO.