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Any idea with that OTA update does?

HI guys, just wondering if anyone knows with that firmware update does. I've searched and it seems like not a whole lot of people know but are updating anyway. I'm sort of reluctant on installing it because I plan to root and use a custom ROM when the dev teams catch up.
After using MIUI on the N1, I'm not too impressed with the performance with this phone, but I know the potential is much higher with the gen 2 snapdragon, more ram, and internal storage. I can't wait to see what people cook up for this phone.
Anyhow, if anyone finds out that this update will be a headache later for rooting and custom ROM purposes please chime in.
Thanks!

skyungjae said:
Anyhow, if anyone finds out that this update will be a headache later for rooting and custom ROM purposes please chime in.
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I remember on the G1 we had to flash with an older factory rom to root. Wouldn't the same thing be possible with the MT4G even if the update doesn't allow root?

Noyabronok said:
I remember on the G1 we had to flash with an older factory rom to root. Wouldn't the same thing be possible with the MT4G even if the update doesn't allow root?
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I remember doing that with my G1 too, and I'd rather avoid that extra step.

This update was mainly to improve Qik reliability and choppyness. This from the head of HTC Northeast, who randomly walked into the Tmo store while I was there.
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Noyabronok said:
I remember on the G1 we had to flash with an older factory rom to root. Wouldn't the same thing be possible with the MT4G even if the update doesn't allow root?
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No - newer HTC devices check both the signature and version. So, no downgrades will be possible unless an exploit is found that allows us to bypass these checks.

Also there were kernel changes AFAIK. This is pretty evident in the performance of the device... the update contains the full production firmware, they launched with development release onboard
Also the update brought tmo the ability to control tethering...
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skyungjae said:
HI guys, just wondering if anyone knows with that firmware update does. I've searched and it seems like not a whole lot of people know but are updating anyway. I'm sort of reluctant on installing it because I plan to root and use a custom ROM when the dev teams catch up.
After using MIUI on the N1, I'm not too impressed with the performance with this phone, but I know the potential is much higher with the gen 2 snapdragon, more ram, and internal storage. I can't wait to see what people cook up for this phone.
Anyhow, if anyone finds out that this update will be a headache later for rooting and custom ROM purposes please chime in.
Thanks!
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I had the same thoughts. I remember thinking that it would probably be easier to root later on without that update, but the popup wouldn't go away. Oh well...
ESKIMOn00b said:
Also there were kernel changes AFAIK. This is pretty evident in the performance of the device... the update contains the full production firmware, they launched with development release onboard
Also the update brought tmo the ability to control tethering...
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Yeah I heard they're going to charge for tethering now. F that!

15 dollars... only if you use native tethering on stock Rom... they shouldn't be able to stop or charge 3rd party tethers or fully rooted phones
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ESKIMOn00b said:
15 dollars... only if you use native tethering on stock Rom... they shouldn't be able to stop or charge 3rd party tethers or fully rooted phones
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So PDANet should still work?

AFAIK
Works ok on evo
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HamNCheese said:
No - newer HTC devices check both the signature and version. So, no downgrades will be possible unless an exploit is found that allows us to bypass these checks.
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Like the exploit here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832642

ESKIMOn00b said:
15 dollars... only if you use native tethering on stock Rom... they shouldn't be able to stop or charge 3rd party tethers or fully rooted phones
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How will they be able to control tethering on the native tethering phones, and will the temp rooted devices still be able to tether if they have the Recent ROM update?

Battery life after system upgrade to GB 2.3.4

Hey guys - has anyone ever noticed a significant change to battery drainage (life) after receiving an OTA update to GB 2.3.4 from Froyo 2.2.1!?!?.. I just had an OTA update yesterday and prior to updating it to GB 2.3.4, my battery life under Froyo 2.2.1 was much better meaning it last longer. Now, after the upgrade I had to charge my battery twice today... usually last me a day to a day 1/2 w/o charging before... BTW prior to updating it to GB, my device was temp rooted. Could it be because i'm not rooted that it affects the battery life?!? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I've noticed less battery life from my stock rom on most roms i've flashed, but they usually all still last the whole day, so I just charge it each evening.

Time to root and flash a custom kernel and oc daemon
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First you need to downgrade. How could you be temp rooted? Did you never ever ever restart your phone?

lol i shall do that once i get a chance.... but really i'm scared to brick it!

invasion2 said:
First you need to downgrade. How could you be temp rooted? Did you never ever ever restart your phone?
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Well yeah I need to but I really don't want to as I'm patiently waiting for anybody to develop a way to root the GB w/o downgrading.. Prior to system update to GB, I had 2.2.1 and temp rooted it using Visionary.. then months and months later i finally received an ota update and got on with it. Yes, I do restart my device about once or twice a month but I really have no problem of re-rooting it (temp) all over again. What's your take?...

b33j7030 said:
Well yeah I need to but I really don't want to as I'm patiently waiting for anybody to develop a way to root the GB w/o downgrading.. Prior to system update to GB, I had 2.2.1 and temp rooted it using Visionary.. then months and months later i finally received an ota update and got on with it. Yes, I do restart my device about once or twice a month but I really have no problem of re-rooting it (temp) all over again. What's your take?...
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I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for someone to figure out perm root for 2.3.4. This device already has a root method that works...

Yes, my battery isn't for crap any more. Fully charged this morning, no use and it drained in about 2.5hours.
Something is definitely wrong here.
I see Android System using 20% of the batter and display using 26%.

b33j7030 said:
lol i shall do that once i get a chance.... but really i'm scared to brick it!
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Don't worry about it bro, we've all been there. The chances of bricking it by rooting are pretty low if you following all of the instructions. But what i suggest you do if u don't want to root is get SetCPU and use that to underclock when your screen is off. It works really well, i was able to squeeze 17 hours out of the battery on the stock rom

Dont you need to be rooted for set cpu?
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steven-026 said:
Dont you need to be rooted for set cpu?
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I think so, unless you temp root non stop. Temp rooting is dumb though cause is something goes wrong you won't be able to fix it.
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eqjunkie829 said:
I think so, unless you temp root non stop. Temp rooting is dumb though cause is something goes wrong you won't be able to fix it.
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i guess.....
steven-026 said:
Dont you need to be rooted for set cpu?
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yup you do have to be rooted to take advantage of the app.

[Q] ICS Update Not Showing

I recently returned to owning a htc sensation. Atm it is on gingerbread 2.3.4 and I was looking forward to upgrading it to ics. However when I checked for updates nothing came up. I have a z710e like I did before and I previously was able to install it on a sensation with that model extension.
Any Suggestions?

Uh, root and install a rom.

I Don't Want To Do That

Then Wait And Hope That The Update Gets Sent To You.

Lizman said:
I Don't Want To Do That
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Rooting and custom Rom really make your device run better all around. Why wouldn't you want to root? You have so many more options and tons of customization on ab rooted device. Personally I couldn't imagine not rooting! You will see, custom roms are much more stable than stock device. On stock I got rebooted and terrible battery, never had that happen on a custom Rom . But it's your choice . If you don't want to root your limited to what you can do. Also you'll be waiting for God knows how long for your update... Choice is yours.
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I Know The Benefits Of Rooting
I Want The Stock This Time For My Own Reasons
Does Someone Have Some Proper Suggestions Regarding My Problem With My Update Not Showing?

Lizman said:
I Know The Benefits Of Rooting
I Want The Stock This Time For My Own Reasons
Does Someone Have Some Proper Suggestions Regarding My Problem With My Update Not Showing?
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We have no idea why it's not showing, it's also out of our hands. If you want to wait for stock, that's fine, but there's really nothing we can do about it. Sorry.

Download The ICS RUU For Your CID And Flash That Way

To root or not to root!?

So... I used to be rooted until my old tbolts 4g data bit the dust and I had to get a replacement. I have my new tbolt in my hand as we speak but I'm faces with a dilema. Should I root or wait for stock ics Rom to he released and live with that. I've been waiting a long time for this update as I have had the tbolt for almost 2 years now. What is your guys' opinion on this. I know it would be nice to root and debloat the thing as my battery drains so quickly these days , but maybe with the promise of ics we will see improvements? Also how long before a custom Rom is released when the ota for ics hits our phones?
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I'm not sure what future updates have to do with unlocking and rooting your phone. It's such an easy procedure and it helps immensely when debloating and saving battery life.

*Madmoose* said:
I'm not sure what future updates have to do with unlocking and rooting your phone. It's such an easy procedure and it helps immensely when debloating and saving battery life.
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Thanks for the response! I just know if I root I won't be able to install the ota update.... Am I wrong?
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OTA's are just patches to take you to the next level. RUU's are released at the same time (speaking specifically about ICS here). With S-Off you can do whatever you want as far as installing things. Honestly it's pretty pointless to not S-Off if it's available to your device.

ROOT NOW - and wait for ICS! Seriously, as soon as ICS comes out it will be rooted and posted here. Then you can flash that on top of what you have.

Will the ruu install radios and changes to hboot (if there are changes to hboot)?

RUU's are EVERYTHING. OTA's are just the parts that were updated from the last version. Usually OTA's end up causing little issues here and there. The RUU's do a full install on the phone.

I suppose nobody can knownif it will be possible to go back from rooted ics ruu to rooted gb or even if it will be possible to root s on phones once ics is installed?

gcodori said:
ROOT NOW - and wait for ICS! Seriously, as soon as ICS comes out it will be rooted and posted here. Then you can flash that on top of what you have.
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+1 The devs here would make a stock version that's an exact replica of it anyway.
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recDNA said:
I suppose nobody can knownif it will be possible to go back from rooted ics ruu to rooted gb or even if it will be possible to root s on phones once ics is installed?
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If you are S-Off you can go in any direction you want to. S-On could be a problem if they patch our S-Off exploit (which i strongly doubt, but a possibility nonetheless) This is why it's pointless to have a phone without S-Off if it's available.

[Q] Root or wait?

Hy people...
I'm finnaly got the JB in my phone... It was hard and complicated to get it... and that's why I'm resisting to get the ICS back to keep the root in JB.
Now the question: Do you think that someone will figure out how to root the JB without going back to ICS? or it is impossible?
Thanks a lot!

Maybe. I couldn't wait so I did return to ics to root properly. Softbricked my phone but managed to fix it. No regrets!
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root, its worth it

Borderpatrol1987 said:
root, its worth it
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yeah... I get 4.0 back... rooted... installed ota rootkeeper... and get 4.1... then... it fails...
what to do?? the Su file is there... but I don't know what it means...

I think you need to unroot with ota root keeper before upgrading. Keep a backup!
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unlock bootloader that best way , I just done it and got the CM10 installed which is much nicer and faster.

steiger said:
I think you need to unroot with ota root keeper before upgrading. Keep a backup!
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yeah... that's what i did... i kept a backup... and temporaly unrooted the phone...

jasonnew said:
unlock bootloader that best way , I just done it and got the CM10 installed which is much nicer and faster.
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I'm never put a CM on any phone... the last experience i had with custom roms was with my old xperia play...
what is better on CM10?

renanmmagalhaes said:
yeah... that's what i did... i kept a backup... and temporaly unrooted the phone...
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You can try resetting your phone to factory settings and then download and install the OTA from the configurations menu.
Keep in mind that resetting the phone to factory settings removes su, so keep a backup, unroot the phone and then reset the configurations.
Maybe you'll have to root again using the utility after doing the factory reset.
I, too, had to try many times before nailing it.

Borderpatrol1987 said:
root, its worth it
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Just out of curiosity, what is worth it? I just got the phone, and I've rooted every other phone I've had. So far, this seems like the first one I don't need to root. I'm on shared data, which means I get wifi hotspot for free. I don't need titanium backup this time. The JB Moto UI seems light-weight, fast, and the battery lasts forever, so a custom ROM doesn't seem necessary. I'm not trying to be a smart alec, just honestly curious as to what rooting can do for me?

fester30 said:
Just out of curiosity, what is worth it? I just got the phone, and I've rooted every other phone I've had. So far, this seems like the first one I don't need to root. I'm on shared data, which means I get wifi hotspot for free. I don't need titanium backup this time. The JB Moto UI seems light-weight, fast, and the battery lasts forever, so a custom ROM doesn't seem necessary. I'm not trying to be a smart alec, just honestly curious as to what rooting can do for me?
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For you there is probably little benefit, though it's always good to keep titanium backups, and it's great for freezing problem apps you never use and don't want to remove. I also use Nova launcher and several other apps that require root for full functionality.
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fester30 said:
Just out of curiosity, what is worth it? I just got the phone, and I've rooted every other phone I've had. So far, this seems like the first one I don't need to root. I'm on shared data, which means I get wifi hotspot for free. I don't need titanium backup this time. The JB Moto UI seems light-weight, fast, and the battery lasts forever, so a custom ROM doesn't seem necessary. I'm not trying to be a smart alec, just honestly curious as to what rooting can do for me?
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im in the same exact boat. I have had every other phone rooted but i just dont see the need on this one. Limited dev work from what i can see. Already have a great battery. Now we just wait for a Moto Nexus Soon