First of many topics. Two of the major developers for the #Thunderbolt have departed ways with XDA. It is a sad day to say the least, but one that has been coming. What are your thoughts? New Devs must have a point of view. What is the state of XDA? Will foul mouthed trolls keep pushing great developers out of XDA?
*edit* Mispelling, since I know people are strict on grammar
I think a lot of the problem is the combination of elitist attitudes (really funny when a lot of these people don't contribute a damn thing) and newbs that want to be spoonfed without even putting in the slightest effort.
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I think we should stop having threads like these every 2 hours...
The Facebook generation at its best. I've been lurking for a year, active over a month. In that time the forums have literally degraded into anarchy. The moderators here at XDA have to accept some, if not all, of the blame. Growing pains maybe, but their actions in some cases and lack of any action whatsoever in really any of the threads speaks volumes.
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g00s3y said:
I think we should stop having threads like these every 2 hours...
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This is the General section... Do you really have that big of a problem with people beginning their own thread to discuss a topic that interests them strictly because the conversation has already been had in a different thread..? In my opinion, you just spot-on proved what dbu said. If you honestly don't have a positive contribution to any given thread, then why even throw in your two cents? You've done nothing but spread negativity.
Anyway, I think a combination of flame wars, reoccurring problems, and flat-out disrespect has driven many of the TB's devs away. I've been active on XDA for all of a month, but the way in which older members act towards new ones really puts me off to contributing to any thread within a mile of the development section. That's not to say that every older member acts rudely towards every newer one, but that's certainly the trend I observe here, and quite frankly, putting myself in the shoes of the BAMF team or Chingy, I wouldn't want to be a contributing member of a community like this one. I'm sure it hasn't always been this way, but presently it is, and that's really a shame.
I have been a long time lurker too and i can agree. I am someone who can appreciate the hardwork of these devs but quite frankly I think some are too quickly to get there butt hurt over what some tard is saying.
Sometimes I feel like we are in a locker room and everyone's strutting around trying to proove how big there junk is.
If someone wants to depart because of rumors, he said she said, or what have ya. That's cool. Best of luck.
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Dev's leaving because of people acting childish...please!!!
I've been on XDA long enough to know dev on dev disputes are the most childish, frequent, longest lasting and tit for tat of all the non sense that goes on in these forums. they as a whole cant even regulate the foolishness amongst themselves so they really have no room for fingerpointing.. Between this phone and my last rarely had a day or two gone by without one dev jumping into another dev's thread throwing a jab or an insult and even after it appears resolved three months later same two devs are in some thread back at it as if they are unfamiliar with the PM button.
That said guess what, it was perfectly fine by me. Not like I was paying for any of this (yes I have donated). Just dont tell me these devs are above the problem and not apart of it.
I also dont really understand why people are so pissed they have to go somewhere other than XDA to get roms like they get free mints by using XDA. I use gingeritis and I dont give a rats ass where its hosted as long as its hosted.
people take things too seriously on the "internet".
it's not new for devs to get pissed and leave xda.... im sure bamf will be back as i doubt his roms will get that much exposure on a different site. sucks as i love bamf 2.1, i didn't even know he left until this morning. the worst part about hosting on another site is troubleshooting and general questions. these sites never seem to be a hive of activity and not many answer questions there.
Bamf is leaving in protest of xda censoring someone's religious signature, not because of trolls.
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fixxxer2008 said:
people take things too seriously on the "internet".
it's not new for devs to get pissed and leave xda.... im sure bamf will be back as i doubt his roms will get that much exposure on a different site. sucks as i love bamf 2.1, i didn't even know he left until this morning. the worst part about hosting on another site is troubleshooting and general questions. these sites never seem to be a hive of activity and not many answer questions there.
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How do you figure this, because you are that lazy to goto their webpage, they said that about energy roms for the imago and his stuff ended up being the most used, if you want the best you will search for it our even easier follow them
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I have been here for a few months.
I struggled trying to learn some stuff to contriburte to themeing and stuff. I will tell i agree with some others as to the problems:
1. Some of these dev(no names at all) likr to share info and help spread the info, while others have this holier than thou attidude. Just search, or google it is not an answer. I don;t want to be sppon feed, but if you can't answer in a good manner, then skip the message and move on. The dev's should never been calling users idiot's, stupid, or whatever name they can come up with. This site was here to share, and for them to develope thier wares.
2. Moderators play a huge role as to why this is goign downhill. I have report several items in which i think a conversation has goen to far, and not once have ever gotten a response back from a moderator. Not a will look into it, I talk to the person.. nothing.. So one gets the feelign unless your a dev, or been here a long time, you get anything from a moderator.... dang shame.
3. Why are not the moderator taken a more active role? You how many times you can go into the many, many threads and see someone name calling or even cursing? I could care less about cursing per say, but this type of envioriment has no place for it. No a single thing from moderators... nothing...
4. There have been some that put some much into this, and get cetain threads stickied.. I love those people.. But as word gets out about this site, more users will be here vs devs, and unless some control is put into place this community will continue to go downhill.
And now I return you to your nomally scheduled programming...
I agree that the mods play a huge roll in a lot of this. Many of them do no moderating at all, which is a shame. Personally I think Xda has grown to large with not enough oversight to many threads on exactly the same thing, usually on the same page. Time was a mod would step in and either merge them, or lock all but one.
And yes, at times Google it or search for it is the correct answer. How else does one learn but by research and coming to the answer. Getting handed the answer may allow someone to do something, but they have no idea why it was that way, nor in many cases how to fix something if it occurs later. By looking for the answer ave finding it, the person is generally better able to help themselves later on.
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People get way too worked up over these forums. The whole idea of forums is a way to exchange ideas and opinions, it is a guarantee that people will disagree or get mad. Yes there will be trolls and flamers. If this is too traumatizing, maybe just stick to published articles. To try and pretend you understand why a dev makes a personal decision over whether he is going to be associated with this site or not is a little ridiculous. I didn't read much of Chingy's threads, but BAMF's were overwhelmingly positive.
Also, not everybody spends 24x7 reading these threads, so if someone posts a thread slightly similar to an existing one I have no problem with it. The people who cry about this over and over again are worse than any trolls IMO. No one forces you to click on the thread and read it.
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kurttrail said:
Bamf is leaving in protest of xda censoring someone's religious signature, not because of trolls.
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people continue to talk about trolls, disrespect and noob questions....
I thought this thread was about BAMF?
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This is the General section... Do you really have that big of a problem with people beginning their own thread to discuss a topic that interests them strictly because the conversation has already been had in a different thread..? In my opinion, you just spot-on proved what dbu said. If you honestly don't have a positive contribution to any given thread, then why even throw in your two cents? You've done nothing but spread negativity.
Anyway, I think a combination of flame wars, reoccurring problems, and flat-out disrespect has driven many of the TB's devs away. I've been active on XDA for all of a month, but the way in which older members act towards new ones really puts me off to contributing to any thread within a mile of the development section. That's not to say that every older member acts rudely towards every newer one, but that's certainly the trend I observe here, and quite frankly, putting myself in the shoes of the BAMF team or Chingy, I wouldn't want to be a contributing member of a community like this one. I'm sure it hasn't always been this way, but presently it is, and that's really a shame.
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I agree with you. The way the members who have been on XDA over 6 months treat the newer members is ridiculous and some people never have anything positive to contribute and just browse XDA to piss on the posts and threads of others. I for one used to tell people all the time that they've posted in the wrong thread but realized that it: 1) wasn't my job to police the threads: 2) It did nothing but spread negative energy, so I learned to ignore them. Making other members feel like dopes is extremely counter productive.
Just as a side, no one knows what the future will bring and in my opinion XDA will be fine. When I had the captivate one of the favorite developers over there (DG) left for a little while and everyone thought the sky was falling, he eventually came back stronger. I'm not saying that team bamf will return, but hey, you never know.
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And also, I saw the most disgusting post yesterday by another member in the sense 3 thread that I've ever seen on this forum, which he later tried to edit. Freedom of speech doesn't free you from wrath of public opinion nor give you the right to be an ass. People really have no idea what freedom of speech means.
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I think the problem is a bunch of elitist nerds sitting behind a desk looking for drama. They wanted to leave these boards to promote their own board - end of story. Its really simple to just ignore trolls. They want sympathy and everyone to follow them to their website.
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lrs421 said:
And also, I saw the most disgusting post yesterday by another member in the sense 3 thread that I've ever seen on this forum, which he later tried to edit. Freedom of speech doesn't free you from wrath of public opinion nor give you the right to be an ass. People really have no idea what freedom of speech means.
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You expect people on an internet message board to use common sense, that went out the window the first day AOL 2.0 came out.
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On this point, let me play out a little scenario for everyone. I'm 31 years old, have a foul mouth, tough skin, and don't give a crap attitude. I'm not offended by anything that is ever said on these forums, because let's be honest, internet tough guys are pretty amusing to watch.
However, I have a 14 year old stepdaughter with a MyTouch 4G. She saw Unity running on my Bolt, and really wanted the same thing on her phone. She's a smart kid, and a bit of tech nerd, so I figured I'd teach her how to root it and flash the ROM herself so she could get a little sense of accomplishment and maybe learn something in the process.
I couldn't even let her read the forums in good conscience. It's eff this and ish that all over this place. When I started on XDA, there were very few devices and the G1, Hero, Eris and Droid 1 were the big ones. It was a really close knit community with a lot of quality people helping each other out. You can still look at some of those older forums and find some great people (both users and devs).
That's not to say there aren't great people lurking around now, but unfortunately, their worthwhile comments get drowned out by the useless nonsense. It's the useless nonsense that I feel causes more problems than anything. Someone says "Hey, I'm having problem A" and within 15 minutes you have either 1) 13 replies of "+1 lol, 10Chars" or 2) 13 replies of "Why didn't you search you idiot. You're so noob".
So now, we've bumped an entire page of useless garbage. Now me personally, I won't read back more than 2 or 3 pages when I check our threads in the morning, so what happens to the legitimate question? It get's lost in the BS.
I get that XDA has grown probably far more than ever anticipated and it requires tons of moderators and maintenance, but how can KernelRapist be ok, but I can't put "I love Jesus" in my sig? Anyway, I miss the old XDA, and maybe it will be back some day, but for now, I'll lurk, but you'll see me over at the Team BAMF forums.
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I originally posted this over in the 1.8.6 Thread in response to someone's mindless banter about us leaving because our feelings were hurt or whatever.
Although I can't speak for everyone, the above is why I'm leaving. XDA has become one huge flame war and a place for "kids" to vent their rage. I use quotations, because I mean kids mentally, regardless of age. Some of the most talented and respectful people I have met on these forums are still teenagers and then on the flipside I find out some foul mouthed flamer is a 40 something with 3 kids.
Although this isn't true of every device's forums, I'm seeing it in more and more of them at time progresses. Like I said above, I'll still lurk, as will most of the team most likely. We do still have a lot of friends on other devices over here, but it's just too much nonsense to sift through to progress our development any further in this environment.
erishasnobattery said:
I originally posted this over in the 1.8.6 Thread in response to someone's mindless banter about us leaving because our feelings were hurt or whatever.
Although I can't speak for everyone, the above is why I'm leaving. XDA has become one huge flame war and a place for "kids" to vent their rage. I use quotations, because I mean kids mentally, regardless of age. Some of the most talented and respectful people I have met on these forums are still teenagers and then on the flipside I find out some foul mouthed flamer is a 40 something with 3 kids.
Although this isn't true of every device's forums, I'm seeing it in more and more of them at time progresses. Like I said above, I'll still lurk, as will most of the team most likely. We do still have a lot of friends on other devices over here, but it's just too much nonsense to sift through to progress our development any further in this environment.
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uh... so just ignore it?
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Ok, here's the deal
I'm getting really frustrated lately at the quality of posts on this forum. I came here about a year ago because i didn't know a thing about about my phone and had a desire to learn a lot. At that time I was greeted with nthing but kindness and a willingness to help.
Now...
Nobody, it seems, regardless of how much or little they have contributed to this community can so much as ask a question anymore. Questions will usually get answered, but almost never without 6 or 7 flame posts accompanying it. I see literally hundreds of posts from people saying we need to cut the clutter in forums. I personally like some of the personal convos that happen here and considered many members here to be friends and comrades.
I guess my point is this. Even if a question is driving you nuts it's easier to post a link to the page containing the answer than it is to write a hate letter to a new member. If you are that new member, it's easy to read the forums (most of them really aren't that long and that's what we have a wiki for). let's cut the stress on xda a little, eh? At last check I thought this is where we all came for fun. Am I right?
I agree
It is hard to get answers...here...I thought some were friends too....turned out that they were not very nice....I have learned alot here....but it seems that I learned the hard way.....I thought is would be fun too.....sometimes it's a pain in the ass to figure some stuff out.
Peace
Mike
Calaelen313 said:
Ok, here's the deal
I'm getting really frustrated lately at the quality of posts on this forum. I came here about a year ago because i didn't know a thing about about my phone and had a desire to learn a lot. At that time I was greeted with nthing but kindness and a willingness to help.
Now...
Nobody, it seems, regardless of how much or little they have contributed to this community can so much as ask a question anymore. Questions will usually get answered, but almost never without 6 or 7 flame posts accompanying it. I see literally hundreds of posts from people saying we need to cut the clutter in forums. I personally like some of the personal convos that happen here and considered many members here to be friends and comrades.
I guess my point is this. Even if a question is driving you nuts it's easier to post a link to the page containing the answer than it is to write a hate letter to a new member. If you are that new member, it's easy to read the forums (most of them really aren't that long and that's what we have a wiki for). let's cut the stress on xda a little, eh? At last check I thought this is where we all came for fun. Am I right?
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Well said. Unfortunately unfriendliness seems to come in an annual cycle (there are reasons - I won't bore you with). At these times it can be quite depressing, the joy in our time here can dwindle very low and some may even leave.
You might say, "hang on, he's a Mod, why doesn't he do something about it? The answer is we try, but sometimes it's as if these antagonistic periods come in waves and popping in now and again to Mod the odd thing here and there is not enough.
However, if you spot abusive, unhelpful posts then click on the report post button. We have an improved system for these reports to get to the Mods, but it only works if members use it.
Things will improve, generally around July/August if the past is anything to go by!
Mike
I, personally, am getting really tired of hearing people whine, moan, and cry about this phone. I mean, let's be adult about this, if you don't like the phone, I understand and I sympathize. If this is not the phone for your because <insert reason here> then please, by all means, find a phone that you'll be passionate about and enjoy, but don't sit around and create posts about how much you just hate the phone and its horrible because <insert reason here>. Honestly, how many posts do we need like, "Galaxy S 4G Camera SUCKS vs Vibrant"?
Again, I hear you, you hate the phone, I'm sorry to hear it. I personally am happy with mine and can't wait to develop for it. So do me a favor, if you're not here to contribute something productive, please do everyone a favor and move on.
i see where your coming from, but bear in mind your in the general section of the 4g, not the android development. You have to expect a bit of white noise every now and then.
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I, personally, am getting really tired of hearing people whine, moan, and cry about this phone. I mean, let's be adult about this, if you don't like the phone, I understand and I sympathize. If this is not the phone for your because <insert reason here> then please, by all means, find a phone that you'll be passionate about and enjoy, but don't sit around and create posts about how much you just hate the phone and its horrible because <insert reason here>. Honestly, how many posts do we need like, "Galaxy S 4G Camera SUCKS vs Vibrant"?
Again, I hear you, you hate the phone, I'm sorry to hear it. I personally am happy with mine and can't wait to develop for it. So do me a favor, if you're not here to contribute something productive, please do everyone a favor and move on.
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THANK YOU! I agree 100%.
Too many people whining. If you want to whine then I suggest you A) Don't post and get a new phone or B) If there's something REASONABLE that you don't like about the phone make a post with constructive criticism and post what RESEARCH you have done for possible fixes in order to IMPROVE the phone so that other devs can possibly find a fix.
Honestly we don't. If you do want to whinge do it in a single thread that way when people want to create RPMs they cans see what people think is wrong. Seriously if you just bought the phone then go trade it in!
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So you made a thread to whine, cry and moan, about people who whine, cry, and moan?
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So you made a thread to whine, cry and moan, about people who whine, cry, and moan?
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I don't feel my post was whining, crying, or moaning in any way. My post was more statement of honest and open opinion towards the maturity levels of some members and the reiteration of the need to focus on this phone's advancement.
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I don't feel my post was whining, crying, or moaning in any way. My post was more statement of honest and open opinion towards the maturity levels of some members and the reiteration of the need to focus on this phone's advancement.
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I am not on a phone forum to discuss "feelings." I was pointing out that you are doing exactly, or even worse, what you are accusing others of doing. Let me point out to you that this is a Vibrant 4G Forum, the subject of your thread is "people" and not "the Vibrant 4G", or any phone at all, therefore you are posting in the wrong forum, and there is nothing productive at all about your thread. Please before posting a thread read the stickies. This is clearly a "flaming thread" and according to the stickies you can actually be temporarily banned for this.
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There have been a number of flame threads popping up recently, and I have closed them.
Do NOT make any more. The chance has been blown, and the threads keep turning out of control. Those doing this will be dealt with individually later on when I feel like it.
Anyone making more of these threads will be issued with an infraction if their first offense, or a vacation if not their first offence.
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Your best bet is to remain quiet and let this thread fall down the page before a moderator comes around and sends you on a little vacation.
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I am not on a phone forum to discuss "feelings." I was pointing out that you are doing exactly, or even worse, what you are accusing others of doing. Let me point out to you that this is a Vibrant 4G Forum, the subject of your thread is "people" and not "the Vibrant 4G", or any phone at all, therefore you are posting in the wrong forum, and there is nothing productive at all about your thread. Please before posting a thread read the stickies. This is clearly a "flaming thread" and according to the stickies you can actually be temporarily banned for this.
Your best bet is to remain quiet and let this thread fall down the page before a moderator comes around and sends you on a little vacation.
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lol you sir are quite pompous.
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lol you sir are quite pompous.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I see I was right to assume that some of you are far to immature to deal with this matter seriously, which is what caused this argument in the first place. So, rather than be constantly irritated by those who can't effectively contribute to our little slice of the community, I think its about time to break out the old "Block" button rather than listen to mindless dribble any further.
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So you made a thread to whine, cry and moan, about people who whine, cry, and moan?
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That was my exact thought when I saw the thread title!
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I see I was right to assume that some of you are far to immature to deal with this matter seriously, which is what caused this argument in the first place. So, rather than be constantly irritated by those who can't effectively contribute to our little slice of the community, I think its about time to break out the old "Block" button rather than listen to mindless dribble any further.
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Which makes much more sense, and is probably what you should have done in the first place sir.
You'll never get away from complaints, they are going to happen. Period. The only way to avoid them is to never, ever, communicate with anyone, for any reason.
Granted, a lot of the complaints here could be done a tad more constructively, instead of just sounding like a *****fest about a phone the user failed to research properly before purchasing...
I have found some quirks with mine, so I came to this section of the forums to look for answers, found what I needed, put it into play, resolved some of my issues, and expect the rest to be fixed as well, eventually.
Kick back, relax, and if you don't want to read their whining, don't read it... kinda like a delete key with spam...
My dog was called ugly by my galaxy 4g phone. I'm returning it.
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I agree with the author.
I came from a G1, so honestly this phone is fine. Plus I'm a developer so honestly the usual complaints:
THE BATTERY LIFE SUCKS!
I have mine plugged in all day so I don't even notice.
THE GPS DOESN"T WORK
Uhmm yeah works just fine for me
IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY INTERNAL SPACE WTF!!
Uhmm yeah it does, additionally Android 2.2 supports running apps from the SD. Class 4, 5 or 6 SD cards work well. FYI, it came with a FREAKING 16GB SD CARD!
It's ok though... as people have said there will always be whiners and complainers.
You're entitled to whine and complain about how much your phone sucks, but until you own a G1 that never got upgraded past 1.6... STFU honestly.
Honestly only thing I am complaining about this phone is battery, light/ medium use will barely get me through the day. Other than the battery, this phone is great, and I'm coming from a 6 year old flip phone soooo yeah. Huge difference.
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Own a galaxy s variant for 8 months and lets see you not ***** and moan. There are good reasons these fine people are voicing their opinions. Hopefully people looking into these thread that are looking to buy vib4g will also notice the grievances.
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I agree on both sides.
You pay for a product so you have the right to complain all you want. But there is a difference in inclining to get help and knowledge and then there is complaining just to complain for no reason except for someone to validate you and for attention
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1) There is no valid argument here.
2) Everyone is contradicting themselves by whining on a post about no whining.
If hearing people complain is too much, then leave. Not everyone is tech savvy, nor do they posses any type of adult literacy. Seeing it is below 10%. People can look for solutions themselves. If you guys see someone complain, message them and give them a piece of your mind. But don't do it here, you are defeating the purpose.
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I, personally, am getting really tired of hearing people whine, moan, and cry about this phone. I mean, let's be adult about this, if you don't like the phone, I understand and I sympathize. If this is not the phone for your because <insert reason here> then please, by all means, find a phone that you'll be passionate about and enjoy, but don't sit around and create posts about how much you just hate the phone and its horrible because <insert reason here>. Honestly, how many posts do we need like, "Galaxy S 4G Camera SUCKS vs Vibrant"?
Again, I hear you, you hate the phone, I'm sorry to hear it. I personally am happy with mine and can't wait to develop for it. So do me a favor, if you're not here to contribute something productive, please do everyone a favor and move on.
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1+ the phone is good if you know how to set it up.
This is just a general message to those using roms made by developers here on xda.
Stop F-ING complaining. You are paying absolutely nothing for some really cool stuff for your phone. These guys put in hours and hours of work and share it for FREE!!
Enjoy their work... Thank them... Buy them a few beers... And if you don't like what they're doing go somewhere else!!!
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This is just a general message to those using roms made by developers here on xda.
Stop F-ING complaining. You are paying absolutely nothing for some really cool stuff for your phone. These guys put in hours and hours of work and share it for FREE!!
Enjoy their work... Thank them... Buy them a few beers... And if you don't like what they're doing go somewhere else!!!
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I hope they all get this message man
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I agree. These guys put their phones on the lines to bring us these roms. At the least say thanks
das BAMF sense 3.0 rocking the bolt
no valid point everyone
yea its ok to post bugs and problems etc thats important because it helps the creators fix problems, but don't complain that everyone sucks and the devs suck, because guess what, these people have jobs, life's, and do this stuff for fun and in no way are these roms going to be 100 percent perfect every time, not even stock TB that came from HTC was perfect.
dfox007 said:
This is just a general message to those using roms made by developers here on xda.
Stop F-ING complaining. You are paying absolutely nothing for some really cool stuff for your phone. These guys put in hours and hours of work and share it for FREE!!
Enjoy their work... Thank them... Buy them a few beers... And if you don't like what they're doing go somewhere else!!!
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Couldn't agree with you more! If you have issues with a ROM that make it "suck" switch ROMs or learn how to develop and make your own ROM.
The worst is all the people *****ing in the CM7 thread.
what's with all these stupid threads lately...it's like the days of our lives around here
i miss the days when threads were only technical in nature...
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what's with all these stupid threads lately...it's like the days of our lives around here
i miss the days when threads were only technical in nature...
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Then don't read the GENERAL forum. If you want threads of a technical nature stick to the DEVELOPMENT forum, it's not a hard concept...It's a bit ironic that you are calling other peoples threads "stupid"..
Well said.
I would like to lodge a complaint about people complaining.
I'm grateful for the work the dev,s do as i don't know crap about any of this.
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Dnakaman said:
I would like to lodge a complaint about people complaining.
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*golf clap*
turbosrrgood said:
Then don't read the GENERAL forum. If you want threads of a technical nature stick to the DEVELOPMENT forum, it's not a hard concept...It's a bit ironic that you are calling other peoples threads "stupid"..
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Actually there are plenty of ways to have technical questions that have zero reason to be in the Dev subforum. Yet conversely there are always plenty of posts in General that are people having some issue and who are on a custom ROM.
New to android... here I thought only the blackberry people *****ed!
turbosrrgood said:
..It's a bit ironic that you are calling other peoples threads "stupid"..
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Man, you're not complaining that I called this thread stupid, are you? Now THAT'S irony...
I agree. How can you complain about something that's free, and is also take it or leave it. I give kudos to the developers for all the time they put into the builds, and then maintaining them.
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New to android... here I thought only the blackberry people *****ed!
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Now, that's funny!
I noticed a lot of this behavior as of late. Imo, I think the devs should make the rooting process harder. Keep the children at bay so to speak.
I see it time and again, people asking questions that have clearly been answered in the OP or within the last few pages of a thread. They take no time to research anything. Most complain that the search utility is crap so why even try. I've never had problems with the search utility. It may not be the most robust tool but it works if you take the time to use it.
The demanding and complaining within threads has reached levels I haven't seen before on XDA. People need to remember that the devs write this stuff in their spare time. They are not obligated to do anything for you. You can make a request but that doesn't mean they will even consider it. There was a day when devs specifically put in the OP "This is my rom, you can make requests but I make this for me, take it as it is. Im just sharing witht he rest of you." But people have come to a point where they expect the devs to listen and do what they suggest.
In rooting your phone, you are voiding your warranty and taking extreme risks with your $500 Thunderbolt. In taking these risks it is assumed that you are a responsible person. Complaining about things or asking questions about things that have been clearly posted is not acting in a manner of a responsible person. Read fully before even starting the rooting process.
Just my opinion of course. But level of maturity on XDA has dipped to a level that is utterly absurd at times.
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I noticed a lot of this behavior as of late. Imo, I think the devs should make the rooting process harder. Keep the children at bay so to speak.
I see it time and again, people asking questions that have clearly been answered in the OP or within the last few pages of a thread. They take no time to research anything. Most complain that the search utility is crap so why even try. I've never had problems with the search utility. It may not be the most robust tool but it works if you take the time to use it.
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I agree about not having an easy way to root, and to some extent I agree about researching. I don't agree that this site has a functional search tool, when I search for something it brings up tons of unrelated stuff and if I add a little more to the search criteria to narrow the results it then says there's nothing matching my search, this is with both searching for threads and searching post within a thread. I was searching for something the other day and the post results didn't include any of the words I put into the search box. I do think people should look for an answer first but when there's 200 pages to go though it can take forever to find a simple answer, I think a faq post after the original post would work wonders for devs, then a lot of unnecessary post would be avoided but of course there will still be some people that are to lazy to skin through faq's.
Ok I'm a newer member here, but not to hacking and yes I posted a thread yesterday about the HTC reps givin the ok to state that the Thunderbolt would be getting Gingerbread in the 3rd quarter. I only put it up because it was being reported on other forums and maybe just maybe someone would care....
I never expected to be slammed by memebers of this forum for doing so because I only have "4" post. You cant post on the Development board unless you have 10 post???So how does somebody get thier if the put up something and it's slamed all over. I can really understand why all the Devs are RUNNING away from XDA. The personality of this forum is really awfull. I will probably be kicked off here after this and I really don't care thier are numerous forums around and I did post the same thread on a couple other board and not one of then slammed me for doing so and locked the thread. I have gingerbread so I don'r really care when it comes down but it would be nice to have an official rom for the DEVS to work with..
Thanks for the pleasantries XDA
I'm new and I'm nice to everyone.
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I'm new and I'm nice to everyone.
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and you are the exception..(the nice part)...im scared as hell to even post this here..ive been victim of this as well...
while back a leaked radio was (found) then week or so later another radio leak popped up and the file size was different,...simply posted MY THOUGHTS on the file size being different.... and people were calling me mentally ill????....bi polar and manic depression were the claims... if they Are such GREAT psycholigists and can make a diagnosis from a forum post....why are they at home talking **** and NOT HELPING PEOPLE,...way to do your part in this life. with people like that, n wonder the country is such a wreck. but i do have to agree people around this place are F**ked a**holes.
the devs RUNNING is obvious and i think ALOT of newbs are scared and not even wanting to ask for help for fear of being ripped on.
ALOT of people on here just respond crapppy things to people just trying to share some info...well i dont blame them eiher for going somewhere else
bout to delete bookmark for this headache.. good luck to those who dont
Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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I myself posted to your thread and my rant was more towards the news itself. Against the reps and stuff continiously blowing smoke up our a$$. Sorry if you felt it was a personal attach on you as a poster.
I have experience both sides. Some people here are super nice, understand that some are noobs and will go through great lenghts to help you out. Others gets off on bashing people and acting like they are the sh!t when they are probably some techy geek living in their moms basement.
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Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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this is exactly what I'm talking about, there isn't much info here anymore they all took it to other sights. I'm pretty laid back personaly but I had to have a say about what I've seen here since March when I got my Thunderbolt..I*'m not complaining just stating facts and it seems that alot of people agree..
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Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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I don't remember reading anything anywhere that stated you had the authority to say who can/cannot post here, or whether or not they should "go somewhere else."
The OP makes a good point. What's worse, someone making an observation that might help others think twice before they slam someone, or someone replying to a post with no other motive than to play king and tell someone s/he is stupid and telling s/he to go somewhere else?
It's pretty obvious which is the more mature of the two methods.
There have been times where I thought someone's information was lacking credibility. I've asked questions, but haven't taken cheap shots. What's the point?
Joel
Exactly why Team Bamf left...I haven't checked these forums since Bamf left and this is one of the first things I see! Another reason why Bamf will always be the best, with the best Devs, Themers, Contributors, members, etc! Glad to be a member of such a great team of devs and themers! Bunch of uncivilized people on here that don't know how to act. Unbelievable...Everyone needs to drop whatever they're on and get Bamf'd. Getting ready for a sick rom drop...(I know b/c I've tested it, themed it, and played with it!)
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Exactly why Team Bamf left...I haven't checked these forums since Bamf left and this is one of the first things I see! Another reason why Bamf will always be the best, with the best Devs, Themers, Contributors, members, etc! Glad to be a member of such a great team of devs and themers! Bunch of uncivilized people on here that don't know how to act. Unbelievable...Everyone needs to drop whatever they're on and get Bamf'd. Getting ready for a sick rom drop...(I know b/c I've tested it, themed it, and played with it!)
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Then why are you back, besides dudes other thread got locked.
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Then why are you back, besides dudes other thread got locked.
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Uh, just wanted to see what was new on here; don't need to be ignorant, people need to learn to be civil and quit acting like a bunch of 5 year olds.
This thread seems fun.
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Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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What do you mean....'you people'?
I have seen some extremely helpful people on here thats why i come here. I do go to other forums for some things because thats where the dev's for certain things went. Some people have been treated very unfairly on this forum and no it shouldn't be like that. Personally I have had people say stupid stuff to me but in the end ya gotta realize with this many people on here there are bound to be those with no social skills at all who's intellectual capacity goes just below the Waterboy. Block em, bleep em or beat em with your own wit. I realize that being on any forum and in fact just being on the internet means there are those who take on internet personas of being the baddest dude in the world. Fuhgeddaboutit. If thats what a person has to do to make themselves feel better i make my comments then i talk around them. Or I'll let them know their comments mean less to me than what i clean off my shoes after mowing the lawn..(stupid neighbor dog grr)
"Can't we all just get along?" No, probably not.
To the douchebags out there who find time to bash people who post here............pfltttttttttttt. Go climb a mountain empty your worldly frustrations then come back, grab a latte, and lets chat.
That's my two cents.
I agree with the OP. I frequent completely different sets of threads and it's the same everywhere. Why take the time to post something negative? Why? As much as people complain about contributing to the community, flaming posts certainly do not . Oh well, when something such as the internet exists, some people will use that avenue to be abrasively rude and inconsiderate. Etiquette applies in all social interaction situations, not just in person .
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Ok I'm a newer member here, but not to hacking and yes I posted a thread yesterday about the HTC reps givin the ok to state that the Thunderbolt would be getting Gingerbread in the 3rd quarter. I only put it up because it was being reported on other forums and maybe just maybe someone would care....
I never expected to be slammed by memebers of this forum for doing so because I only have "4" post. You cant post on the Development board unless you have 10 post???So how does somebody get thier if the put up something and it's slamed all over. I can really understand why all the Devs are RUNNING away from XDA. The personality of this forum is really awfull. I will probably be kicked off here after this and I really don't care thier are numerous forums around and I did post the same thread on a couple other board and not one of then slammed me for doing so and locked the thread. I have gingerbread so I don'r really care when it comes down but it would be nice to have an official rom for the DEVS to work with..
Thanks for the pleasantries XDA
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Ya know, its not so much we just wanna beat on a guy. It's that SO MANY threads have been started. Last time the gullible fool even posted a link to a pic to the absolute fakest looking "corporate memo" I'd ever seen. A lot of people were lapping that crap up and I called them idiots then. Some people actually believed a Verizon rep posted in this forum earlier this week too. Uh.... No, that didn't happen either. Between threads like "Verizon says gingerbread is coming!" threads and the horribly mangled English so often used, I'm beginning to think forums in general are magnets for the least intelligent forms of life walking upright. It's not just Android forums. It's forums on just about every subject imaginable. I think its because nobody ever calls someone stupid when they say something really stupid. A great way to flush your credibility down the toilet is to post a thread like you did. XDA is XDA because they tend to hold themselves to a higher standard. Go look at most other android forums. Most of the development threads are copy and pastes of XDA threads. That's not changing. I'm gonna ask real nice that you please think real hard about what you post here. Maybe check to see how many threads exactly like your proposed thread already exist. Lots of people post questions and comments all the time to good reception. It really is just the foolish nature of your subject matter.
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I agree with the OP. I frequent completely different sets of threads and it's the same everywhere. Why take the time to post something negative? Why? As much as people complain about contributing to the community, flaming posts certainly do not . Oh well, when something such as the internet exists, some people will use that avenue to be abrasively rude and inconsiderate. Etiquette applies in all social interaction situations, not just in person .
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I don't jack people off with their own ass-backwards ideas just to get along. I don't say anything here I wouldn't say to your face. Not all ideas are valid and worthy of equal consideration. Stupid NEEDS to be called stupid and made fun of. I'd like to live in a world where when stupid people spoke they got laughed out of the room. I can hardly believe people buy some of the insanity and lies they're sold most of the time.
I'm new to posting myself... I've been waiting in the weeds for sometime now, reading the thread for Synergy ROM for a long time. I've got only 4 or 5 posts as well. So far, I haven't had any bad reactions to posts, PM's or even contacting one of the Devs on G+ for the only issue I couldn't manage to figure out on my own.
To the OP:
Try to remember where you are when you post. You are in a forum that is populated with many experienced, sharp people, who know a great deal about this platform. Those that are the MOST knowledgeable typically don't even post. It's those who *think* they know a lot who do. Sadly, uninformed questions do not simply get ignored. Think of it as walking into a medical convention and asking a large population of surgeons why anesthesia is necessary during surgery. They expect that you know some minimal facts before asking a question.
Sadly, these same intelligent people browse the General and QandA sections for posts such as yours to flame you for no reason. Not everyone here is that way, but clearly there are many.
I lurked here for a year, before ever signing up and posting anything simply because it was clear some knowlege is necessary to root, mod, theme and customize your phone. And it was clear that many of my questions had already been answered simply by looking.
Don't get discouraged, read, then read some more. There is a lot to learn, but most of it isn't that hard. And don't pay any attention to the negativity - it only feeds the problem.
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hattoja said:
What do you mean....'you people'?
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hahahahahaha! i also like the "this thread seems fun" post
after many frustrations in a day i need threads and posts like this to give me a chuckle. thanks guys!
as for a real opinion:
I'd rather have a beer
It's the moderation. There will always be assholes on popular forums. It's up to the moderators to weed out the jerks. Only way.
So... Sometimes I think to myself why basically no developers care about us anymore.. I came up with an idea pretty quick.. We are annoying most of the time to them. Especially the people to ask questions without just looking through the threads a bit. Obviously they have no experience forum hunting. I haven't had that much experience myself with forums, but it does not take long before we see the downside of our community. The people who post the most on XDA are Forum peeps.. second.. newbs... Sometimes I consider myself one for I feel sorry doing that for questions so dumb, but that was before I learned google doesn't really work through XDA forums that much. You google GS4 MF3 Recovery Bounty and it shows the wrong post on the top. The right post that you'd be interested in is a few links down. But I learned that lesson.
My question to the community, is why do we bother with people like this? The second someone has a serious post about anything, a newb comes along and says "PLEASE RELEASE THE MF3 RECOVERY>> OMG>>...." Those guys should be banned... and I see that way to often... (sadly I see it more in the Jailbreak for iphone more) but it is still in this forum too. Reason for this is probably really simple. This forum has gotten to be the most popular android related forum existing. Everyone that roots their phone has heard of XDA. So... what happens when one of those 14 year old root consumers has a problem? They (hopefully) google it.. then runs into the stupid google problem with XDA for unrelated crap, then posts directly here. Then we come along and say "if you would have looked, it's right in this thread, and everyone has that problem, so don't complain". I have a little sympathy for them, but after a while, those same people become those people who just scan the forums every day for some news of a possible MF3 Exploit, then one they see a serious post, they might think SOMETHINGS BEING DONE!!!......... Ugh... Huge sigh there.
So.. what could we do about it? One, we could ask google to fix their results to be more relevant for us.. but that may or may not ever happen. What else? We could just not let newbs post anywhere for the first day, only in Q&A threads the next weeks, then everything else after 2 months, that gives them enough time to learn that your exploit may never come.. especially if people like them do what they do every day. That won't get rid of everything. Especially on the Q&A, but it would keep the serious threads not kept in the Q&A thread relevant and less of a chance of newbs coming and replying. This is more an idea for the Mod's/Admins to consider, just more strict of a new user system.
Those intentions are only to relieve some of the bad feelings most hacker/devs have here, like DjrBliss. He flat out just dropped out of the forum a little after he released his Loki. And he's having a great time over on the moto x conversations you hear him have on twitter.
That's all I have to say for now.. And this is only my opinion on matters, may not be yours, so.. ya.
Have a good rest of the day you all
Well first off, let me tell that programmers are you know what's by nature. I'm a cyber defense specialist and I work everyday with a LOT of programmers, which is the same thing as your developers, and it took me a while to kind of fit their personality so we weren't offending each other. They don't get mad at people asking questions. They get mad answering questions they have already answered a hundred times. It's not really an XDA problem, it's a problem with people just not searching. They are wanting somebody else to basically wipe their butt for them. That's what REALLY strikes a nerve with many devs.
I believe that people like your talking about will always exist on XDA and many other forums. They have an enormous amount of members, and it's to hard to keep it away.
Cool story, bro. Take the Google search course if you're having problems searching. Here's a hint. Google "your subject xda" You'll get the hits your looking for first.
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Well first off, let me tell that programmers are you know what's by nature. I'm a cyber defense specialist and I work everyday with a LOT of programmers, which is the same thing as your developers, and it took me a while to kind of fit their personality so we weren't offending each other. They don't get mad at people asking questions. They get mad answering questions they have already answered a hundred times. It's not really an XDA problem, it's a problem with people just not searching. They are wanting somebody else to basically wipe their butt for them. That's what REALLY strikes a nerve with many devs.
I believe that people like your talking about will always exist on XDA and many other forums. They have an enormous amount of members, and it's to hard to keep it away.
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Yup your probably right there.. Well My ideas were somewhat close..