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Hey, first post, been lurking here a while (been in the market for a new WM phone for some time, and finally settled on the wizard, affordable, and more than powerful enough for my needs).
Anyway, here are the questions that I just haven't gotten my head around (all the info is a bit overwhelming, so I am going to try and ask a few pointed questions):
- Are there any hard proven (or recorded) speed differences between WM5, WM6, and WM6.1. How about general stability (comparing a clean rom, with no addons, just comparing the base os itself).
- Are there features that I should consider in these roms that are cooked in, that I CANNOT get by installing them individually on my own after flashing?
- The device I bought was a used T-Mobile 5125. It is fully unlocked, and is flashed to 6.0 with Blackdiamond release (by previous owner). Will I have any trouble flashing this back down to 5.0 if I wish, or up to 6.1?
- If I reflash my device back to a factory tmobile rom, will I run the risk of re-locking the phone?
What I am looking for:
- Stability at least close to that of the factory ROM.
- As much speed (responsiveness) as possible without overclocking
- Simple clean rom, with only the basic features:
- (OS, Office, Touchflo, HTC Apps, Wifi, GPRS, Bluetooth, Camera, MP3 Playback, Java, Web Browser, Enterprise features, and perhaps one or two utility apps)
- Definately want a touch (thumb) friendly dialer/contacts app
- Definately want a touch (thumb) friendly mp3 player/media player (coming from an ipod, looking for similar simplicity)
WOW !!!
That gave me a big 'Headache'
Can't decide what you're looking for and what shud be advised !
Can't answer all that !
Simplest answer to that is what you answered yourself already 'I realize no cell is 100% reliable, but I mean "as reliable as any other cell on the market, or at least as reliable as a factory rom"
Cheers!
Too much to read and answer. rofl
Read all the sticky themes and comments about: NBD roms, KhanX, Xda, TNT, Octavioi and Wm6.1 slim rom.
I reccomend u to use wm6. The best think would be if u use for work a simple cell phone, not pda. Cause stability and calls, sms..
Best mp3 player for me is http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=385
u can get all cracked software at ppcwarez.org
have a nice day
zabardast_1 said:
That gave me a big 'Headache'
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Sorry, kinda braindumped there... I will edit original post to be short and clearer...
zabardast_1 said:
Can't decide what you're looking for and what shud be advised !
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See original post (Edited) for clearer definition of what I am asking.
zabardast_1 said:
Simplest answer to that is what you answered yourself already 'I realize no cell is 100% reliable, but I mean "as reliable as any other cell on the market, or at least as reliable as a factory rom"
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lol, come on now... if I wanted "Factory rom" I would have ignored all this, and just reflashed to factory... But I don't think it is too much to ask for a non-factory rom, that is "as stable as" factory rom... Perhaps I am totally mistaken, and if so, then I am very surprised, but then so be it.
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Read all the sticky themes and comments about: NBD roms, KhanX, Xda, TNT, Octavioi and Wm6.1 slim rom.
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I will try and read through these again. I have allready read most of the TNT stuff and KhanX. (all like 60 pages of posts on each) and I am still having trouble really distinguishing between any of it (all seem to have the same mix of "this rom rocks" with "xxx feature is bugged" other than the specific bug posts, I couldn't glean many details from it.
badguy999 said:
The best think would be if u use for work a simple cell phone, not pda. Cause stability and calls, sms..
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I realize I sounded a bit totalitarian in my "requirements" when I posted originally, perhaps I came off a bit in the extreme. I do use the phone for work, every day. BUT I specifically chose to switch from a regular phone to a pda because I carry around a pda, cellphone, and ipod everywhere I go, I want a single device that does a good job of all 3 functions. and there is NO reason that a pda/phone cannot achieve this. (hell I will write the bloody software myself if I have to, it blows my mind that it is this difficult to find something that achieves this). lol all that said, I am willing to make some sacrifices in the name of featureset. I am looking for a balance. But when I say "I need stability" I mean that relative to the pocketpc phone scene.
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Best mp3 player for me is http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=385
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Yeah, I noticed simpletunes... I have done a pretty extensive search, and so far simpletunes, or HTC audio manager are the only 2 mp3 players I can find that seem to be "thumb friendly" from what I have read. Mind you I have used neither so far, so once I try them both out I guess I will know better.
Question: is HTC Audio manager built into cube? or is it a standalone app?
Also, how do you find Simpletunes for performance? does it suck alot of CPU? or is it pretty light to use?
Thanks! (and sorry I am so bloody longwinded) lol.
lol no offence, but what i'm reading between the lines is still "what rom is best for me"
Anyway I'd advise using a proven ROM, since stability is such an issue for you. That would make me not wanna pick one of the latest cooked roms, since bugs often only show after some time, and take another time to fix. Having said that, the cooked roms always come with some software, it's just a long road of trying the software and deciding if you like it or not, nobody can answer that for you.
I personally found roms that have more software shipped with em not annoying, since i hardly ever use the start menu to reach programs. I just pick the programs i use a lot and put them on the today screen.
ROM im currently using is from the TNT series, runs very stable and fast without overclocking.
PS: I wouldn't take a ROM that has cube in it, since i get the feeling u dont want much hassle with your phone. Most ROMs nowadays have different versions, just check if it has this.
-xxx-&greetz
[edit]To answer some of your questions, as far as i know flashing back to factory rom won't lock your phone again(at least it didn't for mine). Besides that, i believe Audio manager is freely available, its a great replacement for windows media player[/edit]
[edit2]"Definetly want a finger-friendly contact manager" look at PocketCM, its a good app with touch-capabilities! Flashing back to older rom should be no problemo![/edit2]
Awesome. thanks for the reply!
Yeah I realize that you see another newb asking "What's best for me" but that isn't so much what I'm asking, mostly looking for a starting point, and some clarifications on the questions I had. I will worry about making my own intelligent decision in the end, and I will try out at least a couple, just there are so many bloody roms out there now trying them out until I found one by blindly choosing would be hundreds of reflashes lol... Also as I said I will likely end up cooking my own in the end, but if I know a few good places to start, I can compare 2-3 good ones, and use that to learn enough to either cook my own, or at least then I will definately know exactly what I am looking for.
Also thanks for answering the questions about flashing back to factory... That gives me some relief, because I can flash to factory, and try that as a baseline... Then worry about extra stuff (so I know what is broken, or out of place).
The only reason I thought I wanted cube was because I was under the impression the htc dialer app, contacts app, and music manager were built into it... If they are standalone apps and cube is just "eye candy" then I definately agree, I have heard it can be a hog, and if it offers no useful functionality I will skip it for sure. Can you confirm, is it just eyecandy? (lots of people talk about it, and show it off, but in the end it is never clarified anywhere what the cube itself really is lol)
Hey, i got you're point not trying to ask a noob question, was just messing with you. I noticed with my private use that i don't flash a lot, i do it once in a few months, but once i find a ROM that i like, i just customize it to my own extent, and keep running it for a while. It's just too much hassle reconfiguring everything every 3 days. Well as far as i can tell audio manager can be installed seperate (not 110% sure, so check to be certain). I had cube on my phone for at most half an hour, the speed of it just annoyed me. Neither did i find it really usefull, i dont want to make 4 or 5 gestures before i've started the cube, and found the tab that im looking for. If u want something similar but much better, try Ultimate Launcher (google for it or look at handango.de).
Cube is nothing more then a fullscreen application, trying to replace todayscreen (but thats just my humble opinion).
-xxx-&greetz
Ooh, yeah touch commander, and ultimate launcher look nice. Yeah now that I see the individual functionality of those apps, the need for cube is highly reduced lol...
PocketCM also looks to be exactly what I am after as well... So now I will have to try those apps out, and if they do what I need then I only have to confirm the mp3 player part... Will have to try those out too to see what I like. I like the "new" look of the htc audio manager, and it is finger friendly, but I also like the oldschool ipod look/feel of simpletunes... so I will have to try both and see which I like...
Thanks again for the responses!
if you got a bluetooth stereo headset for listening to music, find out which media players support it (used one myself for a while, windows media player was more then sufficient, since i didnt have to use my phone to control the player)
And as i said, just configure your phone the way you think works nice for you, you figure out soon enough if the apps u use do what you want them to. If they don't, ask on xda-developers if people have some good alternatives for it. btw a lot of people like the HTC Home today plugin, perhaps you should take a peek at it.
I've been given a new replacement Wizard, so im back to my old crappy T-mobile ROM (cringes). I have not been on for ages, so i just thought id ask you to recommend me a good new ROM.
Im looking for a largeish pagepool so it will run nice and quick. I have an SD for programs etc . I wouldnt mind some decent software as well, not really bothered about the stupid cube or any of that ****, but HTC Home etc working correctly would be nice. See what you guys think
There are currently many great new roms here, so long as your phone is unlocked and ready to receive the new roms. There are sticky posts at the top that tell you how to tell if, and how to unlock the phones accordingly.
G3 or G4 ??
The latest roms here are working well for the majority of the users - and each offers a little something for everyone, depending on your needs - one may be better than the other.
Slim 6.1 / TNT lastest / KhanX / Octavio 6.3 / Vanilla roms
All great roms, read the posts, see what users are having issues with - and pick the best one for your needs. No easy answer - try them, and use the one that best fits your needs.
Good luck
Looks like they've given me another G3 which is good. I like the the G3 method, allows me to revert back if it ever needs fixing again. Ive been looking at that Slim one, which looks very interesting. TNT is what i had on before, but it sometimes was slow, but that was possibly my fault. If only i could utilize the internal memory and make a bigger pagepool
What would you guys recommend then, based on what im looking for?
Doesnt matter,look at bill_in_mtl his post,just get oneand try,G3 is oke,if you have a G3 device
true it doesnt, but i havnt been here for a while
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true it doesnt, but i havnt been here for a while
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I think one of the differences between say the TNT and the Slim ROM's is the amount of programs built into them. I have used the Slim ROM and liked it as it has very little included. The TNT has more built in even the offical version has more than I like but that is just me.They all seem to work well. Myself I cooked a very plain 6.0 ROM with theloons kitchen and so far I keep going back to it. Give me a kitchen for the 6.1 ROM and I'm all over it. its right as said that he may release a kitchen for his ROM. That would be great.
Kirby
Im trying the TNT rom. lets see where i get .
Im going to change the pagepool, whats the maximum recommended? is there any sort of size where the performance wont improve?
Cheers
OK, whacked on TNT. running great, but the Home audio manager (which im very used to using lol) comes up with some error "AudioManager.exe" cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate....... etc etc. Is there anyway of signing it, because i know its installed properly!
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OK, whacked on TNT. running great, but the Home audio manager (which im very used to using lol) comes up with some error "AudioManager.exe" cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate....... etc etc. Is there anyway of signing it, because i know its installed properly!
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I think the max page pool is 12Mb but could be wrong. Somep;ace in the system is a place to tell it not to worry about trusted certs. Can't rememebr where it is at but a search will turn up the info.
Kirby
working on finding that place. Now ive upped the pp to 12mb, it runs like a charm. and i installed this SRS WOW driver and its a beast. just going to install home then im sorted
Someone said it might not be, and thats its files missing. but that actual software itself works. it just happens to not execute from the front of home!
Okay, i think i want to change already. When you press the power button, the audio goes off as well that was one of the best features of the old TNT rom. Looks like its time for a change
skezza said:
Okay, i think i want to change already. When you press the power button, the audio goes off as well that was one of the best features of the old TNT rom. Looks like its time for a change
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Just go back to TNT's latest 6.0 ROM it is real nice.
Slim 6.1
By Merlin Reloaded
Super fast and super stable and not loaded up with ANY bull****. That means you can add all the bull**** your self.
I tried TNT 6.1 Rom and even with a huge pagepool it ran slower. I noticed that 6.1 roms run better with a smaller PagePool.
I tried OCtavio's rom but I think it had some annoyances I couldn't live with.
TNT is best in Batery,
Octavio's rom was very good..
But so far my favorite is Merlins 6.1 It has a medium drain on the battery so I bring My charger if I plan to surf the web at starbucks. other than that it will last over a day with normal use. (like 1hr conversation and about 50 text; google downloading mail; and so on. also WiFi G enabled.
ahh, i migth put the slim one on just to try it. but id rather not have it drain battery. for some reason the sound has gone dead on my phone. ive read somewhere its a glitch (ive got that one i posted in below). how do you get the sound back ?
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Just go back to TNT's latest 6.0 ROM it is real nice.
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TNTs latest, is that 1620?
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TNTs latest, is that 1620?
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That's the one.
Sounds good. Ill bang it on tonight. Im using one thats real nice, but its just a bit too clustered, if you get what i mean. Theres applications everywhere and its totally unsorted. seems very badly done, but actually it runs great. I wouldnt mind SRS WOW as well and I know TNT has it, so i shall experiment. Does the audio manager boot from HTC Home etc? And does it allow me to turn the screen of when listening to music ?
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Sounds good. Ill bang it on tonight. Im using one thats real nice, but its just a bit too clustered, if you get what i mean. Theres applications everywhere and its totally unsorted. seems very badly done, but actually it runs great. I wouldnt mind SRS WOW as well and I know TNT has it, so i shall experiment. Does the audio manager boot from HTC Home etc? And does it allow me to turn the screen of when listening to music ?
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I don't have a clue about the audio manager I don't use it.
Good Luck,
Kirby
This question is more directed at the folks who have done the ROM update and can give a solid opinion about the performance after the update.
In the liner notes to the ROM, it says it improves TF3D performance, adds the HTC Radio app, this, that, and the other... Is it really worth it? My device works fine for me the way it is, but if there really is a noticeable performance improvement or better battery life, then I'll certainly go for it.
Speaking of, where can I find the stock AT&T Fuze ROM?
Well, I did ... but I only kept the original ROM for about a half-day, so I really can't speak TOO MUCH from performance improvements. I just wanted to have the latest official ROM for a while before I start either trying others or building one myself.
As for WHERE? Try here [ http://www.htc.com/us/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=198&act=sd&cat=all ]. That's where I got my updated version.
HTH,
-pvs
That's where you can download the updated ROM. I was asking about where I can download the ORIGINAL ROM. I've already downloaded the update and am hesitant to install it unless it is really worth it... I don't mind flashing my old device, but this is a brand new phone and I don't want to get flash-happy on it so soon. Next thing I know, I'll be in a back alley somewhere, trying to install another WM6.5 ROM just to get a fix.
I used the original rom till the update became available and Ifelt it was much better. Albeit I do get more errors for some reason (usually net caller ID, but that's normal).The radio works like a charm and the performance did feel like it got better.
The upgrade is a 90% good choice imo.
I used the original rom till the update became available and Ifelt it was much better. Albeit I do get more errors for some reason (usually net caller ID, but that's normal).The radio works like a charm and the performance did feel like it got better.
The upgrade is a 90% good choice imo.
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That's where you can download the updated ROM. I was asking about where I can download the ORIGINAL ROM.
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Ahhh, sorry about the confusion. As I see it, you have two choices ... you can dump the ROM you currently have, and rebuild it as a flashable ROM, or you can look at this Wiki Page, and see if yours is already listed. My original ROM (1.95.502.5) is listed, and it has a DL link (although I haven't tried it.)
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I've already downloaded the update and am hesitant to install it unless it is really worth it... I don't mind flashing my old device, but this is a brand new phone and I don't want to get flash-happy on it so soon. Next thing I know, I'll be in a back alley somewhere, trying to install another WM6.5 ROM just to get a fix.
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I know what you mean . I have just moved here from my old Hermes, so sad it gave up its ghost with a broken digitizer. I miss the scroll wheel SO MUCH, although the Raph IS growing on me. I had flashed that old device so many times while I was learning the basics of cooking. And once I got that done, I was thrilled with it for several years. I am not so keen to begin the cycle again, myself, although I DO feel it coming. But flashing a stock ROM isn't quite the same, and it doesn't come close to voiding any warranties. I would highly recommend you take the plunge, just to stay current, if nothing else.
And when the time comes, starting with a basic shipped ROM will be the way I go, anyway, as I begin cooking up something new for myself.
Anyway, I hope this helps. Good luck, whatever you decide.
-pvs
Hi I was just wanting some conformation that i am not the only person who finds windows mobile 6.5 on the HTC HD2 an almost un usable experience.
It crashes so many times in a day, you try to unlock it by sliding the unlock tab and it get to the edge and does nothing, you can’t press any button apart from the off button again and then you have start the whole thing again and if your lucky... after 5 attempts it works or you have to reset!
The typing in messages and on most other programs is so slow it cant keep up, it hangs and stalls and looses most of the spaces and jumps around the txt typing in where ever it wants.
Its incapable to switch from the home screen to the programs screen without stalling and hanging around, and the general user experience of all the user input is slow!
Forgive me if this is covered ground for everyone but for me it’s the most powerful phone on the market and it’s still useless!?
Does anyone have and tips? or any other rants about it?
you can always flash it
Dude just flash a custom ROM on there, what phone do you have and what network?
Before flashing, try doing a hard-reset (you'll have to do that anyway if you are going to flash). See if that solves the problem. Could well be that it is some prog or a left-over of some prog that is screwing things up. I still have the shipped ROM on-board and it runs silky smooth, until I try to be too clever, but then it's my fault
Good luck!
im on a HD2 and looking at puting android on it, but waiting for a new memory card later this week.
what other roms can i flash to it? im on o2...?
but my point was rarther why the hell can microsoft get away wit hreleasing stuff that doesent work still but help is great!
its nothing to do with microsoft, MS release software to a developer who then fits it in to a handset, that process need drivers and a much of work, its not like Windows on a desktop where you can simply update a driver or two with an exe.
read all of the work here regarding flashing, Update to a new ROM, i use Energy, make sure you do it correctly, and it will fly, i have Energys latest and its great, no crashes, good bat, very fast, there is nothing id like to change...well the HSDPA is crap but that might just be my area.
Speaking of Android, i have a copy running from my SD and removing the obvious issues with it just now and assuming it will be fixed by the time it becomes flashable Android brigs nothing new, in my opinion its the same as WM6.5.x with sence 2.5 the only advantage that i can see is the app store
ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
i HATE wm with a passion! get rid of it lol and put android on it!
WM is just fine for me.
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ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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Yeah, as was said before, it's not necessarily MS's fault the rom sucks. First, HTC effs everything up and then the carrier drops the final turds in the mix. Look for OMarket-it has many more apps than marketplace, and they're all free. There's a lot of junk, but there's very good stuff there, too.
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ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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In a manor of speak yes HTC are to blame for most of the issues we have on the devices, first and formost is the fact that HTC never licenced the graphics drivers from QC, second MS provide a blank slate that HTC fills in, lets assume for a second that its all up to MS and in so asuming every WM device ever made is also MS fault, then why is it that some devices work fantastic? the reason is because the manufacture and finally the networks stick their greedy paws on it and bodge it, this is exactly why windows phone 7 is so locked down, MS know for well that the manufactures and networks screw their image so much with WM that they have reduced their ability to do so.
but anyway you will believe what you want, if you look at a ROM with a preconception that its going to be crap then you will only ever see a crap ROM so you may as well give up now.
as for the app store vs the WM market place, your choice of words is intresting.
the marketplace actually has quite a few pieces of decent software, you know in the £20+ range, the app store has shed loads of....well, crap really, but there is much more to choose from and you are more likely to find something thats worth getting so again its down to choice, quality / quantity to suite your needs argument again.
installing android is easy if you already have HSPL 2 or 3 installed. seriously worth reading the guides to make sure you have the correct versions of radio and ROM installed!!
So flash the latest radio, and one of the recomended ROMs, ive used energy without issue, once you done that its just a matter of downloading a build of android, that usually containes everything to give things a quick bash, if you fancy it, you can then do some updating, but its your call, if your using cooked ROMs then as long as you have a recent ROM your most of the way there.
ive tried a newer android build for a couple of days and again, assuming all the bugs are to go and speed is improved, i still dont see a huge difference, its perhaps a bit more refreshing, but its also a bit more limited, ill continue to test it out
Sorry it took me so long to get back but thanks for all of this im now happily running froyo 2.1 on the hd2 now looking for an updated cooked rom because of the google update!
yeah I know
By the time I got 3116 downloaded, several other people had made varying comments so I didn't really know what to expect.
Here are my observations:
1. Update was flawless and no instability afterward that can see.
2. I wouldn't say it seems "fast" -- but I definitely would call it smoother and more polished.
3. I neither like nor dislike the TnT launcher, but I do appreciate that they put the Android-like option in there. I'll use that more than the stock launcher.
4. They should have put flash in. From a public perspective, it was hugely necessary. And it it was an Adobe holdup, they need to get their PR flacks on line making sure people know they tried!
5. All the apps I have added since the update seem to have loaded and are working fine.
6. I'm still exploring, but I put an SD card in /sdcard2 with a couple of albums on it. Told the music app to start -- it said it was searching -- it found my music and played!!! That was nice. Now will have to test photos, videos, etc.
7. It just runs and that helps!
Summary: Given what's in and not in the update, I suspect this is an effort by the TapNTap people to get out from under the whole situation. It looks to my eye (and I have done a fair amount of programming) like when the furor over the interface started, someone started working real hard to make TapNTap work well. I do agree with somebody that while I am not happy with what came in the package, I believe it probably will be enough to satisfy casual, non-tech users if the VS marketing people can get the word out and generate some interest.
I'd give it a thumbs up with the proviso that somebody better bring some meat and potatoes before long to go with the appetizer!
Rev
I agree.
The stock Android-like launcher is nice. The speed and stability is much improved. We are spoiled with the speed-fix that all the aftermarket roms have in them. I have used TNT lite and Vegan since I got the tab new. I have installed this update and have been usingit for the afternoon. I think it is nice and this can be a mainstream tablet now. The only thing it needs is the flash, which will be forthcoming.
I was one of the people that was very down on the stock firmware. This device is now able to compete head to head with any other android tablet and can go head to head against the Ipad. Once flash is added, this is much better than the Ipad.
It seemed very usable. Pretty nice for people who want something that just works rather than learning how to use Android. The only instability I experienced was some incompatibility with my Exchange mail crashing the mail app every time.
upgrade
Is this the so called 12 19 update??
2insane,
Yes, apparently Roebeet caught it early and D/Led it and posted the link for others who wanted to try it.
There are quite a few posts explaining people's opinions about it.
Rev
A vast improvement.
I only used the new update shortly after install today. I believe for most people purchasing the tablet the update will be enough to keep them from returning the product. It's not going to show the potential of the Tegra processor, but the unit is usable.
The one glaring issue I think is when changing orientation. The gpad is slow and unsure, both the iPad and Samsung tab are instant.
Even though it is a vast improvement it should be more. How is that a few developers on this site can come up with much better software with limited resources and access to key information than the company selling the product?
I had given up my tablet and found the update looking for the stock flash to return the unit. It was fun tweaking it, but I was using time that I really couldn't spare trying to get it work. Not sure I would have followed through with returning yet.
I did a complete wipe and reformat of the system and partitioned the sd card. Installed the update then installed VEGAn Beta 3 without wiping and all I can say fantastic.. Not sure what changed, but VEGAn runs even better now. I have been using my tab for about 6 hours now trying to get it to act up, so far no problems. I have not attempted the Adobe Flash install. Flash would be nice to have, but really is not all that important for my use.
Some of you like numbers, here are some Quadrant scores. Viewsonic Gtablet 2538. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 976. I can assure you that in daily use the speed difference is not as dramatic as the numbers suggest.
To those of you who are frustrated and thinking of returning the unit, you might give it a few more tries. At least give the update a try, it won't run at full potential, but the update appears to make it a very usable device. Even with just the Viewsonic update I have trouble believing that this is the same piece of junk I brought home 7 days ago.
I believe I have a keeper now thanks to the people on this site that share there work and knowledge, with a little credit due to Viewsonic.