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I feel terrible for making such a novice post, but I figure better safe than sorry. I have been searching the forum for awhile now trying to find a definitive answer, but I haven't been able to so . . .
What is the best, or most stable release of Windows Mobile 6 available here? There are so many different versions, I just can't tell. Do I use Core 2.0 or Faria's build? WHICH faria build? Or should I choose another?
Sorry for my stupidity, but I would really like to know what to pick before I stick with one.
You're gonna get opinions from different angles, but I'd suggest going with "popularity", which comes down to the latest Faria or Xplore 2.0. There really isn't a definitive answer, just your own experience to guide you.
I'm sure either one is just fine for you, but before starting, READ EVERYTHING a number of times to ensure you understand everything you're about to partake in and possible issues. Regardless of which ROM you use, if you don't understand the basics of flashing a locked or unlocked CID phone, using the bootloader, recovering a botched load, using shelltool and the associated CABS, a registry editor... you get the picture. I'd say go with whichever seems best for you, since you'll probably end up customizing it anyway per your taste and usage. Just get the facts before you start, and hopefully prevent a headache or worse. Both are vanilla, and should be a good choice. Hope this helps.
-Matt
So what is the big difference between Core and Faria's build? I see those as being the two "big" releases. I understand they're both vanilla, which I like, so I can install my own things, but what are the differences between the two?
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So what is the big difference between Core and Faria's build? I see those as being the two "big" releases. I understand they're both vanilla, which I like, so I can install my own things, but what are the differences between the two?
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My best suggestion would be to compare the inital posts in their threads to see what was added / changed. They both pretty good about listing updates. As far as the base image goes, from what I've found, they all originated from the same source. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm mistaken.
-Matt
I have just recently switched from Faria's rom to Xplore 2.0 and i find xplore much better, i just feel its faster. But really its all just personal opinion. Try em both out, once you get the hand of flashing it isn't really that hard JUST MAKE SURE YOU READ EVERYTHING CAREFULLY!!!. So flash one try it out, then flash the other one and try it out, then choose whichever one you liked best. Some people will say Faria's is better some will say xplore, and some will say other ones. It is really an opinion. Hope this helps
Thank you for the help! That was very prompt! I think I'm going to give Faria's a go, then probably Core 2.0. But before that, one last question -
Is a new build by Faria coming out soon? In his stickied thread about his rom and kitchen, he says "ANYway..... A V3 ROM is coming in days.......this will be a rom and not a RK.... it contains new radio stack,new windows live,new office mobile 12!,bt printing,new voice comand,new shell, etc etc....fixed windows mobile over activesync,fixed com,new default theme...and more."
So is this 'v3 rom' going to be what I want to wait for? Is that a new version of the vanilla, base rom I want? I'm not interested in the kitchen (which I assume is the "rk") but instead just want a clean rom which I can install a few programs on. So, should I wait for this next release?
i've tried both core 2 and faria. I like Faria better. the speed seemed to be the same and it came with everything I need. I'm on core 2 right now and it is missing a few things I want. plus there are a few bugs that bother me. and the MMS isn't working for me like it did in Faria. I work for t-mobile so I know the settings are correct. I'm waiting for the new Faria, I can't wait for that.
I really don't know much about his new ROM, but if you want you can wait, i waited for Xplore 2.0 to come out, but you never know how long you'll have to wait for it, as every new version will have fixes and stuff. If you want to go ahead and wait, it will save you the trouble of having to get all your programs and settings back, but if you really hate the ROM your on now, go ahead and switch, and then update again when the new one comes out. I always wait a couple of days when a new ROM comes out as to see if there are any big problems that people report and get answered that way when i flash it i am ready for the problem and know how to fix it. But thats just my 2 cents. (don't really know when to use this phrase, but i always wanted to say it, sorry if it doesn't make sense. )
What is the best, or most stable release of Windows Mobile 6 available here?
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NBD 5.1 ? ..
its not overloaded, stable as rock, and mem/speed is optimal. just ROM for agerage user, imo.
for people, that are in need for speed and space, theres xplore 2.0, or 1.1, its cleaned from some apps.
this may be good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305903
I need help choosing a ROM, this is my first time. Memory doesn't matter, I have SD card. Hoping for some extra programs, good wifi, and stable, I don't want it to freeze too often. Battery life doesn't matter as long as it lasts a FULL day. Let me what you think is best, so far I like the wizard titanium, but people tell me its too old. What do you think? ALSO, IT HAS TO BE WM6! THNAKS!!!
and the dumbest post award goes to ....
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and the dumbest post award goes to ....
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Is this really necessary?
waleed786 said:
I need help choosing a ROM, this is my first time. Memory doesn't matter, I have SD card. Hoping for some extra programs, good wifi, and stable, I don't want it to freeze too often. Battery life doesn't matter as long as it lasts a FULL day. Let me what you think is best, so far I like the wizard titanium, but people tell me its too old. What do you think? ALSO, IT HAS TO BE WM6! THNAKS!!!
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If I had to recommend a fast stable rom with some nice extras, I would have to say TNT.1437 is one of the best. It has plenty of nice little extras and is one of the most complete and stable rom's I have used. I have been using it for the last 4 months and only switched Roms to test new releases and then always to back to the 1437 build. I personally like the TouchFlo version.
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Is this really necessary?
If I had to recommend a fast stable rom with some nice extras, I would have to say TNT.1437 is one of the best. It has plenty of nice little extras and is one of the most complete and stable rom's I have used. I have been using it for the last 4 months and only switched Roms to test new releases and then always to back to the 1437 build. I personally like the TouchFlo version.
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Very true,the best ever Rom I have tried so far and specially the 10mb ppool
I spent a fair bit of time re-working TNT 1437 to suit my own needs and preferences. I have relatively easily moved from TNT 1437 to 1921 and recently to 1933; each time having to make some modifications to it's right Base ROM. However since he has kept the ROMs reasonably consistent between versions my time spent modifying has decreased somewhat.
My choice of ROMs would be it's right's 1933 Base and my own customisations. Most ROMs are likely to have something you don't like or don't want and I think it is now so easily to learn how to cook your own the best option is to build your own using one of the bases available. That way it will be the 'best ROM' for you.
For me, I will be sticking with it's right 1933 base for the time being as I have had very few issues with it, plus he has worked hard integrating the original 5.2.318 drivers into it, oh and it's (currently) the latest
My 2 cents..
Andy
I use XM6r3, it has given me no problems at all. I have tried many other roms and felt this was the best for my needs. Are there faster roms? I did like tnt, I tried a couple different builds (including touchflo which I don't care for) and after configuring and installing all my normal things, XM6r3 seemed to run faster. Available memory was almost =. I do like some of the bug fixes TNT has.
You think your question should be easy to answer, but really your asking what is the best car manufacturer, who has the best tasting beer. In time you will find one you like. I initially flashed my brains out with everything I could get my usb cable on, but now, I just want something that gets it done.
Jeff
ADB100 said:
I spent a fair bit of time re-working TNT 1437 to suit my own needs and preferences. I have relatively easily moved from TNT 1437 to 1921 and recently to 1933; each time having to make some modifications to it's right Base ROM. However since he has kept the ROMs reasonably consistent between versions my time spent modifying has decreased somewhat.
My choice of ROMs would be it's right's 1933 Base and my own customisations. Most ROMs are likely to have something you don't like or don't want and I think it is now so easily to learn how to cook your own the best option is to build your own using one of the bases available. That way it will be the 'best ROM' for you.
For me, I will be sticking with it's right 1933 base for the time being as I have had very few issues with it, plus he has worked hard integrating the original 5.2.318 drivers into it, oh and it's (currently) the latest
My 2 cents..
Andy
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What kind of modifications did you make to the TNT.1437 Rom? I have been using it for some time and love it but for whatever reason I can't seem to get any of the many available kitchens to work on my computer whether it be on my Vista partition or my XP partition. Neither work.
Ok, I want to thank everyone for all your help. Also, charile_mx, if you didn't have any advice for me, you shoudn't have posted anything at all, there was no reason for you to post the stupid comment. So far I like the wm6 tnt touchflo edition, it looks nice, but im going to do more research on it first. how stable is it? Does it open apps quick, and can I open 2 or 3 apps at onve without it freezing?
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Ok, I want to thank everyone for all your help. Also, charile_mx, if you didn't have any advice for me, you shoudn't have posted anything at all, there was no reason for you to post the stupid comment. So far I like the wm6 tnt touchflo edition, it looks nice, but im going to do more research on it first. how stable is it? Does it open apps quick, and can I open 2 or 3 apps at onve without it freezing?
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The best thing that you can do for yourself is simply read up on everything involved with your wizard first. Is it unlocked? Is it G3 or G4? Does it have an IPL and SPL higher then 2.XX ? Please don't answer these questions to me. I am simply giving you some things to follow up on in your research, so that you can avoid ending up with a Brick.
Personally I have been using my own cooked Cross bred version, although I really like the look of It's Right 1933. I may have to cross breed something there.
Good Luck
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What kind of modifications did you make to the TNT.1437 Rom? I have been using it for some time and love it but for whatever reason I can't seem to get any of the many available kitchens to work on my computer whether it be on my Vista partition or my XP partition. Neither work.
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Nothing too major. I modified a few .RGU files to remove some settings I don't like (Wireless on the Today screen is one I can think of), replaced the various TNT skin customisations with the default ones, replaced the Calc1 with the original Calculator, removed the themes and added my own, customised my own 'Office Mobile' folder, added battery status with my own settings, removed some unused applications and replaced them with some of my own. I replaced some of the included packages with the same ones I have that I have had continued sucess with - i.e. the various media related packages that all have reliance on certain codecs and system files that everyone seems to have issues with (Audio Manager, Voice Recorder, Streaming Media, Camera & MMS). I also included my Personal Stuff and locale settings in a custom .RGU file as well as changed the Autorun stuff to launch my own extended ROM. Oh and I have my own custom splash screens (which it took me a while to get installed and it really pi$$ed me off when I used to install a new ROM and these got overwritten..... )
Basically when I flash my ROM (or hard reset) there are minimal changes that I need to make and no software to manually install to get it back the way I like it (my VoIP settings, a Certificate and TT get installed from my extended ROM).
I am currently using the 'HyperCore' kitchen but have used others with similar results. Using the HyperCore you must follow the instructions since it is easy to miss a step and end up with a partially 'dead' Wizard.
HTH
Andy
Starting this thread was a bad idea. Sorry I didn't saw it yesterday
Reasons :
[*]This has been posted too many times before.
[*]The "Best ROM" for you is the one YOU like most. You'll have to try a few on your own to figure out which one works best for you.
[*]Everybody will give you different answers so you won't get much out of it.
[*]ROMs don't act the same on all devices. One ROM that works perfect on my device it might not work the same on yours or any other one here. You don't trust me ? Do a benchmark on your PDA..then ask someone else to do a benchmark on his PDA with same ROM and you'll see differences.
In case that didn't convinced you, here's a small list of similar threads :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=263035
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339408
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335642
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334439
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333120
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306917
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330668
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324876
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324156
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323397
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319941
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317901
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316778
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314646
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=312774
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310934
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310043
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309041
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307870
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295777
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The list can continue. "This is but a fraction of the monster..."
Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
I get my Tilt Tuesday and am wondering what the "bottom line" is on this as well. It seems by removing bloatware, and installing a few cabs, you pretty much get a Kaiser. Speed and battery life are concerns for me though and if either is poor, I'm pretty comfortable installing a ROM (did it previously on my Wizard). Thanks to all for all the good info and advice. I've read way too much considering I don't even have the phone yet.
Hopefully we'll get an answer. On another forum I've read that you can install cabs to make the Tilt like the HTC, but on another thread I read that the HTC rom is different and better!
I'm not seeing any major disadvantages from using the HTC rom, actually, besides the menu problems which evidently have a fix. So, it might be worth a shot.
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dhecker said:
Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
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custom roms base on htc releases have many advantages:
1- get rid of all junk and restrictions of at&t one
2- reg hacks and fixes that take the most out of your phone
3- many more advantages but if numbered here will take me all night
search in these forum and you get many other reasons to change. For example i bought the tilt and in the same day i unlock it due a hardspl and change the rom to a custom one and beleive i will never come back to at&t stock rom.
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
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I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
It all comes down to preferrences. I have a Tilt, and I have installed just about every ROM available here. I keep going back to HTC oriented ROMS, but there is some drawback in that you have to "tweak" it a bit usually to get full AT&T usability. AT&T ROMS are good for staying "true" to the carrier's mindset, but usually are buggy or slower. Dutty's right now is my fav, but that could change
Battery life is best controlled with 2 applications, both the Kaiser Tweak program, and with a good comm manager program to disable comm when not in use. Or at least move between 2G and 3G connections. 3G is awesome fast, but a hugh battery drain.
Thanks for your input! I played with a Tllt for a while and the AT&T rom might have been slower (I don't know cause I've never seen the HTC!) but it was totally stable as far as I could tell. Is there some specific bugginess that you saw or are you just referring to the general sloppiness of the AT&T bundles, etc.?
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
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No, there is nothing you cannot do with the AT&T rom given enough time and tweaking. Before I got my phone I some how got the impression ROMs where almost like a different animal. I think a better analogy would be comparing them to a house with furniture. The different ROMs are just different styles.
But if you are a real power user, and it sounds like you are, I would just use another ROM and start from there. You will save some time. I'm a fan of the "clean" ROMs that some with almost nothing installed. Then I build them up from there. They are very easy to install if you read the instructions. And it only takes like 10-15 mins max.
Pops - That last comment was interesting. I can totally see the advantage of installing a lite rom or for that matter, a fully loaded Dutty's rom, etc. My concern was that if I did that, I'd actually wind up having to tweak for a while to get things smooth on the Tilt since I wouldn't be using the 'stock' rom. The assumption is the everything would work on day 1 with the stock rom, so I can tweak but I never have to really get things going.
In your experience, if I installed the most recent version of Dutty's Hybrid Kaiser TouchFlo Final (if I'm gonna flash the rom, I might as well load it up) that things would be about as stable/easy as if I spent time customized the AT&T rom?
If there's not too much risk or BS I might just go for it! There is something about keeping the original rom that makes me feel more confident, but it's also fun to tweak on the thing!
Well there are two types of Kaisers right now. The original HTC branded one and the Tilt. They are different in 2 ways. For the Tilt, some roms require you to install a keyboard fix for a minor adjustment. Also you have to configure the AT&T internet settings. It depends on the ROM. Some of the ROMs are already designed for the Tilt.
To answer your question, yes some of these ROMs can have you up and running without any tweaking or adjustments at all. Just read their instructions, it varies for each one.
For me, if I start with a stripped down ROM it takes me about 2 hours or more to install all of my apps and tweaks. For the fully featured ROMs like Dutty's, you can be ready to go in 20-30mins.
I installed the HTC stock ROM on my Tilt for the same reason I install reference drivers for my video card:
1. They are more true to the manufacturer's specifications.
2. There are more frequent and faster updates available.
Number 2 was the most important for me, even though HTC has not released an updated ROM yet...but when they do, I know that I can install it and it will be closer to what I have been using.
I had the Tilt ROM installed for a few weeks before I reverted to the HTC ROM. I also installed the HTC customizations on the Tilt ROM and played with that for a while. I noticed slight differences between the applications like the HTC Home application UI behavour has minor differences. There was also more available memory on the HTC ROM from the Tilt ROM even after I cancelled the Tilt customizations from installing.
Oh here is a neat program to help you test different ROMs without losing your contacts, SMS, call history etc.
PIM Backup
Have to throw my 2 cents in also.
Just got the Tilt last month,and after my initial fear of flashing(and succesfully installing HARDSPL) I've flashed lots of these ROM's too. I however, have to agree with Pops_G, the best solution I've found has been a "clean ROM" and customize it the way I want. I prefer the ATT versions over the monochrome/big clock/UGLY UI that the Kaiser ones have. I've been using Kyphur's Tilt XDA-Live v1.1 and love it. It provides the most storage of ANY of the custom ROMs and has the newest radio also. It shows a significant difference in my area;where the signal borders on weak.
Alemaker
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
dhecker said:
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
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Give yourself some time with each Rom (a few days) to really get a feel for it. Also know that your battery is going to be crap for a couple of weeks until it is properly "conditioned" so don't even include that in your comparison.
Another thing you need to consider what are you looking to gain from using a cooked rom? While it can be nice to have a lot of apps mixed in once there is a new version of an app you have to either flash an updated rom or install the update over the cooked version in which case you are now losing memory as the files in the rom can't really be deleted (only marked as such)...
kypher: Thanks for your input. I am interest in your comment about having apps in the rom, space, etc.
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Technically you can update (or even delete) the apps that are cooked in BUT... you've already paid in storage space for the files. When you upgrade the cooked files are marked as deleted so the files from the cab can overwrite them BUT... the files can't actually be deleted so if you have a 4MB program (like MS Voice Command) cooked in and you get an upgrade then you are actually paying 8MB of storage for the program now.
In short, even though the files are marked as deleted and you phone acts like they are deleted, you can't recover the memory they used if the files are cooked into the Rom. This is the primary reason I'm stripping XDA Live down as close to the undershorts as I can.
Well, the phone came this afternoon and I've been fooling around with it ever since. So far, so good!
I like the AT&T Tilt setup a lot. But, being a long-time geek I just couldn't resist and now I'm flashing Dutty's Tilt Rom. I'll play with that for a while, then maybe think about a long-term setup. It's kind of nice being able to flash the rom as I don't have to worry too much about screwing up the configuration since I can reflash at any time.
much fun! thanks everyone
I would like to try different ROMs as well, but I would like to be able to go back to ATT Tilt ROM if need be. How can I backup my original ATT ROM, so that I can flash back to it, if I needed to?
I have an AT&T Tilt (had it almost 2yrs) running the WM 6.1. I called HTC the other day about an update to 6.5. The technician said there was not one and that the Tilt was near end of life and that there not going to be anymore updates. If that is the case, I'm thinking of flashing a new ROM. Can anyone give any advice on what one I should use. I'm not very computer literate and want something that will be easy to use and maximize my device. It almost literally has become my brain and I depend on very much.
Also, if this posting has been placed in the wrong area please forgive my ignorance and, if possible, may the administrators place it in the correct area.
Thanks for any/all advice in advance.
Well, sadly there is no ROM called as good ROM here. It all depends on what you use your phone for and where you live!
Try reading through ROM threads, and see what suits your needs. Best advise is "Keep reading and keep flashing!". Good luck.
try abusalza new ver. cook ROM either ultimate x2v8 wm6.5 or ultimate x2v9 wm6.5...
it look nice to my kaiser n run perfectly...
StoneyBK said:
I'm not very computer literate and want something that will be easy to use and maximize my device. It almost literally has become my brain and I depend on very much.
Also, if this posting has been placed in the wrong area please forgive my ignorance and, if possible, may the administrators place it in the correct area.
Thanks for any/all advice in advance.
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Then why do you want to upgrade ? The phone does everything you want, it is easy to use, dependable, it is " your brain " , what do you think WM 6.5 is going to do for you. ?
We all flash because we all define the phrase " give me more " . We flash because enough is never enough. New is waaay better than stable or dependable ( how are those mega packages working out for y'all )
Stick with 6.1 until it is time for a new phone with WM 7 loaded.
hahaha..can't wait for wm7..
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Then why do you want to upgrade ? The phone does everything you want, it is easy to use, dependable, it is " your brain " , what do you think WM 6.5 is going to do for you. ?
We all flash because we all define the phrase " give me more " . We flash because enough is never enough. New is waaay better than stable or dependable ( how are those mega packages working out for y'all )
Stick with 6.1 until it is time for a new phone with WM 7 loaded.
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I would stick with what this guy says. Any rom you use besides stock is going to give you fits of frustration the only reason I kept flashing was for my data and internet I was not happy with the offerings of stock att rom but grew very frustrated with most of the cooked roms If I had found opera mini before all those other roms I might not have had the need to keep flashing. I have since found Android and the only time I see windows is when I am doing an update to Android. If what you have now suits you then keep it.
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Then why do you want to upgrade ? The phone does everything you want, it is easy to use, dependable, it is " your brain " , what do you think WM 6.5 is going to do for you. ?
We all flash because we all define the phrase " give me more " . We flash because enough is never enough. New is waaay better than stable or dependable ( how are those mega packages working out for y'all )
Stick with 6.1 until it is time for a new phone with WM 7 loaded.
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I would stick with what this guy says. Any rom you use besides stock is going to give you fits of frustration the only reason I kept flashing was for my data and internet I was not happy with the offerings of stock att rom but grew very frustrated with most of the cooked roms If I had found opera mini before all those other roms I might not have had the need to keep flashing. I have since found Android and the only time I see windows is when I am doing an update to Android. If what you have now suits you then keep it.
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I'm gonna say exactly the same if you happy with stock stick with it, if you want something more special and are happy to flash untill you find a custom ROM you want then join the flashers anonymous
I'ld go to say the same, if you're happy with stock ROM, then don't change.
BUT...
If you're frustrated with what stock ROM gives you (that happened with my permanently-freezing-Herald-stck-ROM till I flashed a good ROM there), then take a surf on the ROM Kaiser pages here at xda-dev's and then try to do all the steps ( hard-SPL, radio mod's, unlock if locked, etc. ) and then, flash the ROM you think is better for you (what are you asking to a device ? I'm using it to write, calculate, draw, sketching, photo, wifi nav', gps in the forest, let my daughter play... - maybe I'ld chose a different ROM to play games or watch videos)
I think almost every ROM here is "better" than the stock ROM and you'll find a good WM6.5 if you're searching speed, reliability, good RAM... and this will give you a loooooong Kaiser life.
But, as Denco7 says, this means you are always asking "more" and more and more.
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I have an AT&T Tilt (had it almost 2yrs) running the WM 6.1. I called HTC the other day about an update to 6.5. The technician said there was not one and that the Tilt was near end of life and that there not going to be anymore updates. If that is the case, I'm thinking of flashing a new ROM. Can anyone give any advice on what one I should use. I'm not very computer literate and want something that will be easy to use and maximize my device. It almost literally has become my brain and I depend on very much.
Also, if this posting has been placed in the wrong area please forgive my ignorance and, if possible, may the administrators place it in the correct area.
Thanks for any/all advice in advance.
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I HIGHLY recommend that you go here and read.
Don't do it!
Ok, thanks...
...for the advice. I'll stay with what I have its worked for me and does what i want/need.
StoneyBK
Make backup and give yourself a try with new rom`s. if you dislike - you always can return to were your begin. I believe you underestimate this possibility of kaiser.
Go for it!
I was in the same place you are, wondering if I should flash, and why. But, If I'm going to spend this much time with a device, why not pretty it up and make it a LOT more functional. The new 6.5 roms are beautiful, more functional, and easier to use, especially compared to the butt ugly 6.1, and if you're not going to buy a new device with WM7 on it then I say flash away man, you can get so much more out of your Kaiser. Have a look at TPC Elite V9. Enjoy.
StoneyBK and Marckc2
Yes, having a stock ROM capable for your needs, is enough. But if you begin to flash, and to investigate, you'll maybe acquire more and more acknowledgement about the TyTNII and WM, so that you'll be here answering and maybe cooking (and posting) your own ROMs.
Amazing work being done
It depends on what you want. I picked up my Tilt on ebay, because I wanted a PDA/phone (w/wifi). I'm a little bit of a tweaker, and wanted to make the most of this phone. I ended up here, read throught the newbie stuff, worked up the steam to flash a hard SPL, then flashed Sakajati's Hyper IV Rhodium, and was amazed; fast, functional, stable, with some flash as well. The only problem is being content. . . the developments keep ramping up. I think my tilt is farther advanced than most smart phones currently offered on ATT's upgrades. (maybe ignorance is bliss. . but I don't think so) There appear to be a number of chefs doing amazing work. Look around, read the comments. If you take the next step and like it . . . buy the chef some coffee. . .
How often do you flash your phone?
For me, its everytime a new version of the rom i use gets released.
Off topic
Thanks to XDA is that I´m still loving WM!
If not I´m sure I moved to another platform
I have flashed so many times I don´t even remember
I usually flash when I get bored, or the ROM starts slowing down. Or whenever I flash my own ROM, I realize it is awful and go straight to xda for a new one
Been hooked for years But now I'm flashing on Android thanks to xda!
I've lost count as well. But the thing is I find myself instinctively returning to certain roms, even if it is a much earlier rom. It's like they have a personality of their own. ( I hope I don't sound too wierd here ... plus I have a life).
You also become an expert on how fast you can get all your software and themes up and running should the new rom rain on your expectations. It's like a pit stop in F1.
I started flashing about a week ago, and I tried 3 custom ROMs from XDA.
Im gonna try cooking a custom ROM myself soon too, because I have very specific requirements for my ROM
However, I'm NEVER going back to my original 6.1 ROM. 6.5.3 is the way to go, even though I can't use my old manilla themes anymore.
Everything improved by an awful lot.
Also, i think this post is a good moment to say thanks to all the chefs that create custom roms for us!
i only started flashing roms the other day, i was doing one a day but have settled on one that seems to be holding my battery a lot longer than the others i used so im gonna stick with this one (xannytech's EVOLUTION 1.1)!
also love this site and the "USE THE SEARCH" mentality, its awesome.
I don't have a *twitch* problem. I merely *twitch* need my *twitch* fix. I can *twitch* stop anytime, *twitch* do you have some*twitch*thing for me *twitch* to flash? *twitch**twitch*
Well to be honest I'm not sure how many roms I've flashed. I know its hundreds!!
I've 2 devices so I have one for everyday use and one for testing/flashing. As a mod I like to know what I'm talking about so I tend to flash nearly every rom which comes out for my device (HD). I'm flashing daily . However as more and more chefs have appeared this has become more combersome so I try and limit this to 3-6 chefs unless something really catches my eye (new build etc). So I'm only flashing when one of these chefs release a new rom.....which still seems to be daily or every other day...lol . Then I choose my preferred rom and flash it onto my everyday use device
Rick
JAguirre1231 said:
I don't have a *twitch* problem. I merely *twitch* need my *twitch* fix. I can *twitch* stop anytime, *twitch* do you have some*twitch*thing for me *twitch* to flash? *twitch**twitch*
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lol, very good.....though I would get that *twitch* sorted out very soon......think I heard another rom was released!!!
for me, it depends on how much time i have, and if the new version of the rom has stuff that i am really interested in. otherwise, i'd just skip the update
There is no way to compehend how many times have flashed... Excalibur tryed all ROMs made joint project ROM every minor tweak a flash, Kaiser same deal yet now lives with stylez black v.5 once you have a ROM on there that is to your preference then flashing another isn't a necesitty, now using Touch Pro flashed the ROMs that take my fancy now back in Kitchen... Flashing aboit 2 x a day as need phone set up.
Spelling whack just had a surge and net not working used to inline spellcheck
So yes i still have the bug but not as bad as used too lol
stylez said:
So yes i still have the bug but not as bad as used too lol
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I think constant flashing soon starts to ware you out. People have other committments as well which can eat up time. I've a family so my time is limited, but when I can I still flash, tweak and play. With time the bug does start to decrease, but only a little bit
I am definitely a flash junkie. Not a week goes by and im flashing another ROM. No other platform so far is this hackable\customisable\tweakable.....you get the point.
i flash mine everytime nrgz28 comes out with a new rom. he makes the best in my opinion. i also try others but i always find myself going back to energy roms!!!