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I've been wanting an Inspire for a long time and thought I would have had to pay full price for it rather than a consignment deal. Looks like I was wrong and I went ahead and snagged one.
This is just a purely outstanding phone. It is AT&T's version of the DesireHD and I've been using a DHD ROM on my HD2 for quite some time now. I'm very familiar with the ROM my Inspire has, all the setup and functionality, and setting this Inspire up was nothing new. There are a few minor difference here and there, though. I can say it is definitely smoother and cleaner and quicker than DHD on my HD2.
Not really sure if I will try to root it or not. The last time I tried to root a genuine Android phone was nothing shy of a pain and misery of frustration. It was a T-Mobile MyTouch 4G and it just would not root. That was the first and only time I ever attempted a root. It left me with a very sour experience. However, not being rooted, I can't use my backup programs like MyBackup or Titanium. Nor can I use my screen capture app, ShootMe. I don't really need to use any of those, though.
Anyway, I'm enjoying my Inspire and I look forward to interacting with and being "Inspired"...lol...at the XDA Inspire community.
I was a newbie with rooting but once I did it it was EASY and worth it.
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Some Android phones can be easily rooted than others. It all depends on the manufacturer and model of the phone. Don't let one bad experience ruin it for you. Here are links to two proven methods of rooting the Inspire if you are interested...
HTC Inspire Hack Kit
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=952352
HTC Inspire 4G Simple Root and S-OFF
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961406
Use the Simple Root but trust me, save yourself some later hassle and click the "Fixes" option when you're done and flash the ENG S-OFF (radio S-OFF) so if you change radios, you don't lose S-OFF plus you get engineering features like fastboot (allows you to flash new radio images for one but also allows you to try out images before you actually flash them, through fastboot, which can be handy when you aren't sure about something or you are testing a new ROM)
Guys, the user experience with this Inspire is just getting better and better. It now is super fast compared to my experience with HD2 DHD ROMs. The boot-up is almost instantaneous and the page loading in menus like Manage Apps is so much faster now.
I doubt I will ever even root this glorious machine. I'm admiring like an iPhone.
For anyone on the fence about a purchase, Hell yes! Let it have a couple days of break-in and you will see the difference from first turning it on. I'm just glad I chose the Inspire over the Atrix. The Atrix is a super nice machine, but I just don't believe it can top the silky-smooth and top-notch user experience of the Inspire.
you got it right when you said the Inspire was gorgeous....my roommate is all about his iphone4, and i'm all about hating on apple (used them for 3 years and couldn't wait to be done) and telling him how great android is.
Lets just say i caught him today picking up my phone and telling me how awesome it was and how he actually wanted one after playing with the Inspire. I had the Captivate and that just didn't do anything for him, but the Inspire is just perfect!
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you got it right when you said the Inspire was gorgeous....my roommate is all about his iphone4, and i'm all about hating on apple (used them for 3 years and couldn't wait to be done) and telling him how great android is.
Lets just say i caught him today picking up my phone and telling me how awesome it was and how he actually wanted one after playing with the Inspire. I had the Captivate and that just didn't do anything for him, but the Inspire is just perfect!
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The Inspire has some serious appeal. I still love my iPhone 4, but the Inspire has a quality all its own. My serious personal view of the DesireHD/Inspire 4G is that it should be the actual Android flagship smartphone. The OS...Android 2.2.1...combined with HTC's Sense 2.0 is just purely the cream-of-the-crop. The lag some people complain about with Android just isn't even a hint in this OS and on this hardware. I owned a WP7 HTC HD7 for about half a year and found the UI to be the smoothest I'd ever experienced. There was nothing that was a smooth. That was then, this is now. This Inspire is easily just as smooth, quick and clean as that WP7 HTC HD7. And the battery life is a little bit better, too.
Just got my Inspire two days ago. A bit leery of rooting myself. I've read the threads and instructions a few times, as well as watched the video, but I'm just terribly afraid of making a bad mistake, lol.
Sukuiku said:
Just got my Inspire two days ago. A bit leery of rooting myself. I've read the threads and instructions a few times, as well as watched the video, but I'm just terribly afraid of making a bad mistake, lol.
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For what root provides, I just see no desire to do it. The sum total of the apps I won't be able to use are currently 3, MyBackup Root, Titanium backup Pro, ShootMe. For how well this phone works and how clean it is, I'm wanting to keep the iPhone style feeling I have with it. Rooting it and such would just lead to a mess for me. It would strip away the pristine cleanness and purity of this fine piece of hardware.
Understandable. I would love to be able to use ShootMe and install new themes, but with being so new at things like this, the risk seems greater than the reward. I installed Launcher Pro and I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of customability I have with it, though.
I know there's a lot more its capable of after being rooted but most of it isn't something I would use, lol.
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Understandable. I would love to be able to use ShootMe and install new themes, but with being so new at things like this, the risk seems greater than the reward. I installed Launcher Pro and I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of customability I have with it, though.
I know there's a lot more its capable of after being rooted but most of it isn't something I would use, lol.
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If you mean skins, don't worry about the them. I installed a bunch of them on mine and there is no risk that I can see. Currently using the Wildflower HD and it works just like the original. I think I have 20 skins installed.
There isn't really much risk rooting the phone - the only real risk is if you apply ENG S-OFF because that involves replacing the bootloader and if something goes wrong there, you're bricked.
I don't see why everyone is afraid of rooting this phone, this is the first Android phone I've ever owned, and the first I've ever seen rooted, and I was done in a couple hours, it was easy, just read and follow instructions. For me being able to take screenshots is the biggest reason I rooted, but have found many other reasons that I'm glad I did. Messing with an iPhone for a year, if I screwed something up I would be in for a long process of re-syncing and setting everything up, but with clockworkmod, if u screw something up, a backup including all data and settings in all apps is just 10 mins away. Being able to overclock to add a little extra smoothness to the UI is very nice. And having the freedom to run the software I want and not run the software I don't want is huge.
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tjb433 said:
I don't see why everyone is afraid of rooting this phone, this is the first Android phone I've ever owned, and the first I've ever seen rooted, and I was done in a couple hours, it was easy, just read and follow instructions. For me being able to take screenshots is the biggest reason I rooted, but have found many other reasons that I'm glad I did. Messing with an iPhone for a year, if I screwed something up I would be in for a long process of re-syncing and setting everything up, but with clockworkmod, if u screw something up, a backup including all data and settings in all apps is just 10 mins away. Being able to overclock to add a little extra smoothness to the UI is very nice. And having the freedom to run the software I want and not run the software I don't want is huge.
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It isn't about fear. For me, I prefer to retain the pristine nature of this phone. So I don't want to root it and open it up situations that could slow it down and cause it to be buggy.
MartyLK said:
It isn't about fear. For me, I prefer to retain the pristine nature of this phone. So I don't want to root it and open it up situations that could slow it down and cause it to be buggy.
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Rooting is well worth the trouble. And to me, having all the bloatware removed yields a more pristine nature...
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MartyLK said:
It isn't about fear. For me, I prefer to retain the pristine nature of this phone. So I don't want to root it and open it up situations that could slow it down and cause it to be buggy.
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Rooting only makes the phone faster and cleaner, not the reverse;-).
oh ho! wadd up brother!
RogerPodacter said:
Rooting only makes the phone faster and cleaner, not the reverse;-).
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No, I disagree. Rooting allows you to do things that can cause issues. For people who know how to program and code, they can usually get better results. But for people who just need a phone to work and do what it normally does, rooting can be destructive.
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No, I disagree. Rooting allows you to do things that can cause issues. For people who know how to program and code, they can usually get better results. But for people who just need a phone to work and do what it normally does, rooting can be destructive.
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yes ROOTING can cause somewhat destruction.
today while upgrading my phone to COREDROID, that thing bricked my phone. Somehow, I managed to fix my phone.
The coredroid thing made my BOOTING SCREEN STUCK. never got to its next step.
im not a coder or anything, im just following guides.
P00t said:
yes ROOTING can cause somewhat destruction.
today while upgrading my phone to COREDROID, that thing bricked my phone. Somehow, I managed to fix my phone.
The coredroid thing made my BOOTING SCREEN STUCK. never got to its next step.
im not a coder or anything, im just following guides.
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This is the reason I haven't rooted. I'm tech-savvy, but not a developer or anything. I see countless threads related to issues that seem to have risen from rooting. Either an issue arises during the process, or something happens that wouldn't have happened without root. And then there's that "you could brick your phone" deal. I'll stay unrooted.
Note: I'm posting this on multiple forums to receive more varied feedback, so if you see it in a couple places, please don't get upset.
I'm thinking of getting rid of my Inspire for a Nexus One. I'm frankly disappointed in the battery life and the customization options available to me. I've been reading these forums for quite awhile, so I'm very aware of all the options I have with my Inspire -- telling me that I can root "following this guide" or whatnot isn't going to be a game-changer for me.
What are your thoughts? What will I miss going from the Inspire to the Nexus One? What might I like better about the Nexus One? Is the trackball really that exciting?
If I do end up looking to do it, what do I have to look for when getting one? I know they sold them for TMo only first, and then brought out an AT&T compatible one. I've heard that there were two different screens available for them, does anyone have a preference or know what the difference might be? If I do end up looking for one, where should I look? Do you think there would be people willing to trade a Nexus One for an Inspire plus some cash?
I've already done a backup to the SD card via My Backup Pro - if I get a Nexus One, should I just have to insert the SIM and SD card and restore everything, or do I have to worry about more than that?
Any thoughts or advice is welcome! Thank you!
What customization options are you disappointed about? Just remember the Inspire is just 2 months old and look how far we have gotten with it so far.
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True, I do recognize that I'm posting in the XDA forums! I'm speaking of a stock, unrooted Inspire. I'm not willing to root this phone -- after reading nearly everything there is to read on it, I'm convinced I will break it or get lost. I know my limits, and this is it. If there was a way to root without needing a gold card or downgrading or any of that, I might be in. There are many phones out there that can even be rooted without losing your info! This is complicated. At this point I'd simply be following directions whose actual meaning I'd be completely lost to, and just hoping that everything was done right in the right order. And if something went wrong, I'd have no idea where or how in between S-off, gold cards, downgrading, radios, sound issues, Eng S-off, etc.
I'm not knocking the people here, you have done amazing things with a phone that did NOT want to be rooted/customized. I'm just not able to take advantage of what you've done, because to be honest -- it is all above my head. And I'm not willing to be one of those people with the "Help! I think I turned my Inspire into a rabbit" threads.
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True, I do recognize that I'm posting in the XDA forums! I'm speaking of a stock, unrooted Inspire. I'm not willing to root this phone -- after reading nearly everything there is to read on it, I'm convinced I will break it or get lost. I know my limits, and this is it. If there was a way to root without needing a gold card or downgrading or any of that, I might be in. There are many phones out there that can even be rooted without losing your info! This is complicated. At this point I'd simply be following directions whose actual meaning I'd be completely lost to, and just hoping that everything was done right in the right order. And if something went wrong, I'd have no idea where or how in between S-off, gold cards, downgrading, radios, sound issues, Eng S-off, etc.
I'm not knocking the people here, you have done amazing things with a phone that did NOT want to be rooted/customized. I'm just not able to take advantage of what you've done, because to be honest -- it is all above my head. And I'm not willing to be one of those people with the "Help! I think I turned my Inspire into a rabbit" threads.
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rooting is easier then you think!
HTC Inspire on CM7. Beast ROM. If I helped Thank me
I wouldn't touch a Nexus One with a ten foot pole. I am too used to using modern tech. That phone is very dated and feels every month of it. It would be like me giving up my Inspire for an iPhone 3G. If I were to move to the Nexus, I'd definitely be looking at the Nexus S. It's still an older tech phone, but has a nicer screen, it's lighter, and has a great support community.
However, I really can't think of anything you could do with the Nexus One that you can't with the Inspire... Every rom you could think of is here on this phone. The Captivate devs are almost all over here now, so we have that going for us. Of course, I'm in an HSPA+ area, so I'd also be taking a nose dive in data speed.
Oh yea, and using the newest version of the LeeDroid rom with SetCPU on the "Smartass" governer, I'm just now pluggin my phone in at the 34 hour mark with 5 hours of screen time... That's pretty damn good, if I do say so my damn self.
Many of your points involve rooting, which I've already said worries me. I'm a perfectly capable computer person, but the phone tech is daunting to me. I don't know where to start, and most of the terminology is worrying. You say it's easier than it looks, but that's because you've done it! To me looking in from the outside, it's so far beyond me it's like wanting to live on a base on the moon...
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Many of your points involve rooting, which I've already said worries me. I'm a perfectly capable computer person, but the phone tech is daunting to me. I don't know where to start, and most of the terminology is worrying. You say it's easier than it looks, but that's because you've done it! To me looking in from the outside, it's so far beyond me it's like wanting to live on a base on the moon...
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Don't sweat it, man. Just hop into the "One Click Root" thread in the Development forum. It'll outline what you need to have before starting the process. It will guide you step by step through what you need to do. It's a headache when you first do it, but after that you'll be flashing like a champ. It's addictive. Feel free to PM me if you want to go through it together. I'll be more than happy to help. Just make sure you do everything with a fully charged battery.
One Click Root thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961406
Also, there's a video in the top part of the first post. It's for an earlier version of the root app, but it's still very viable and lets you watch someone do it before you go through it.
Maybe he will like that with the N1 you can have a dirty trackball(since most are used now) that can change colors? You know colors with a "Brownish" tint.
The only thing advantage I could think of is there is a chance to use a cheaper data plan with the N1. But then again, the last time I used a N1 was a yr ago, so now the IMEIs may be recognized by ATT. But not sure if the OP realizes that you can do this.
Yeah, I've kinda dismissed the whole "Stick it to AT&T and use a $10 data plan!" thing. From what I can tell, the ones who do it are pretty much just lucky at this point. If you can say being stuck on Edge is lucky...
*takes a deep breath* Okay, maybe I'll look into this whole rooting business. I'd say I've been through about 1/3 of the pages in that one click root thread... Seems like a fair few people are getting things mucked up -- would you say they're pretty much the ones who are messing with things I'd likely never touch? Do I ever need to worry about a radio? Does the stock rooted ROM that's loaded at the end of it allow for better battery life and overclocking? Those are really my two biggest concerns if I'm going to root (and yeah, I get that they're counterproductive!).
I know I'm asking all the noob questions over again, most of which have already been answered many times here. People tend to get impatient with people like me getting into this kind of stuff, which is one reason I chose to stay away from it. This editorial (http://www.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer) also made me think twice (or three times)...
If I get into this, what I'd like to be able to do is to copy all my SD card files onto my computer, keeping the whole thing intact, copy it all back once this thing is done and I no longer need the gold card, fire up My Backup Pro, and have everything end up right back where it was. I really feel as if this is asking too much...
I know the feeling of everything looking really complex and hard. I came from a black berry, the key to rooting with either method is reading the directions. The directions are extremely watered down. What exactly scares you about rooting, what terminology? We are here to help you. The inspire is an amazing little device.
Thank you all for being willing to be so helpful. I'd say I was mostly turned off to rooting by going through the Hack Kit and One Click threads and reading about all the people who actually know what they're talking about having issues and breaking things. I figured if they were breaking things, I'd be SURE to mess something up big time.
I'll be keeping you guys at my fingertips for PMs if this goes badly, and I really do appreciate you being willing to help.
For those of you who do this ROM swapping thing often, is there any way to have some program make a snapshot of your homescreens so you don't have to re-configure them every time? Seems like it'd be a pain.
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Thank you all for being willing to be so helpful. I'd say I was mostly turned off to rooting by going through the Hack Kit and One Click threads and reading about all the people who actually know what they're talking about having issues and breaking things. I figured if they were breaking things, I'd be SURE to mess something up big time.
I'll be keeping you guys at my fingertips for PMs if this goes badly, and I really do appreciate you being willing to help.
For those of you who do this ROM swapping thing often, is there any way to have some program make a snapshot of your homescreens so you don't have to re-configure them every time? Seems like it'd be a pain.
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Breaking things not so much . No one has completely bricked their inspire. There are a few things here and there that pop up and usually already have a fix posted for them.
Check out the guide to flashing at the top of this forum, I tried to get as detailed as I could.
Honestly no, Flashing a new rom (not an patch/upgrade) will be like booting your phone up for the first time. Though you can back up your sms,apps, and contacts. Everything else you will have to set up again. It can be a pain, but the pros far out weigh the cons !
Any reason you can see for me to use the hack kit over the one click?
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They are both good, the hack kit lets you be a little more involved with the rooting process. Where the GUI is more automated. The GUI has the potential to flash the h-boot wrong after it is rooted and s-off, leading to a black cwm screen. You can find a fix for that in the guide that is stickied.
Ooooookay, taking a deep breath and diving in. I'll let you know when I come up for air...
Silas0220 said:
Any reason you can see for me to use the hack kit over the one click?
Sent from a solid block of aluminum.
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I say the only reason you should use the hack kit is to understand adb commands a little bit better. I've used both methods and felt a tiny bit more accomplished with the hack kit. Don't worry about messing up, there are plenty of people willing to lend a hand.
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Currently downloading the One Click with about 7 minutes to go. Is there an easy way to tell what ROMs allow for overclocking and to what point? I don't exactly see the need at the moment (I've never noticed my Inspire running slowly), but it'd be nice for future-proofing. I've been able to gather that OC requires more to do with the kernel than the ROM, and that not every ROM includes a kernel (I'm not even sure what I'd do with a kernel if I got one...). I'm figuring it's safe to assume that the stock rooted ROM that is loaded by the One Click doesn't have any OC abilities.
EDIT: I believe from most of my reading that I'm most interested in the LeeDroid ROM and accoutrements. Someone earlier mentioned that they are using this right now -- from going through his thread, it looks like that involves kernels and radios in addition to ROMS. I'm not asking for anyone to do anything special for me, but is there a step-by-step on how to go from post-One Click to happy LeeDroid?
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Currently downloading the One Click with about 7 minutes to go. Is there an easy way to tell what ROMs allow for overclocking and to what point? I don't exactly see the need at the moment (I've never noticed my Inspire running slowly), but it'd be nice for future-proofing. I've been able to gather that OC requires more to do with the kernel than the ROM, and that not every ROM includes a kernel (I'm not even sure what I'd do with a kernel if I got one...). I'm figuring it's safe to assume that the stock rooted ROM that is loaded by the One Click doesn't have any OC abilities.
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Unless they changed it no (GUI).
Most devs will put OC or [OC] in the threads title, most of the time the kernel will flash along side of the rom. Though if it isn't and it is an optional kernel, the best method is to flash the the rom, then reboot, then flash the kernel. Most are overclocked to 1.8ghz some are 1.5ghz.
edit: You flash a kernel like you would a rom, except when flashing a kernel you don't do a full wipe, but it is best to wipe cache and dalvik cache.
Divinedark said:
Don't sweat it, man. Just hop into the "One Click Root" thread in the Development forum. It'll outline what you need to have before starting the process. It will guide you step by step through what you need to do. It's a headache when you first do it, but after that you'll be flashing like a champ. It's addictive. Feel free to PM me if you want to go through it together. I'll be more than happy to help. Just make sure you do everything with a fully charged battery.
One Click Root thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961406
Also, there's a video in the top part of the first post. It's for an earlier version of the root app, but it's still very viable and lets you watch someone do it before you go through it.
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I have to chime in here and say that I have rooted and flashed my old Nexus one many times and I was totally lost with the Inspire root methods. I literally got a migraine just reading through the one-click thread the first time.
What are you having trouble understanding about it?
ok im thint bad of king about switching to the g2x form my vibe and i was wondering is it really that bad of a phone. i keep reading all of these complaints and im wondering should i make the jump
Don't listen to what other people say. The phone is great, as long as it doesn't shutdown by itself. Screen bleed isn't as bad as people say. It's not noticeable with normal use... Only on a black background with Maximum Brightness, and in a dark room. It's blazing fast. Update baseband makes GPS lock instantly. Screen looks AMAZING. Build quality is really good as well. Don't forget that it runs stock Android... So development on this phone is great. Install any rooted 2.3.3 OTA ROM, or CyanogenMod 7.1 Nightly, and you're good to go.
omg thanks for yur input
As always, test one out in the store if you can. You might get a slightly different experience at home, though.
Just like there's plenty of phones with some problems, there's plenty of working ones as well.
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omg thanks for yur input
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Haha, no problem.
FatalityBoyZahy said:
Don't listen to what other people say. The phone is great, as long as it doesn't shutdown by itself. Screen bleed isn't as bad as people say. It's not noticeable with normal use... Only on a black background with Maximum Brightness, and in a dark room. It's blazing fast. Update baseband makes GPS lock instantly. Screen looks AMAZING. Build quality is really good as well. Don't forget that it runs stock Android... So development on this phone is great. Install any rooted 2.3.3 OTA ROM, or CyanogenMod 7.1 Nightly, and you're good to go.
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I think this statement says a lot. To say a phone is great when it's not malfunctioning says a lot about the phone. If I were the OP I would not take that as a vote of confidence. That being said, OP don't buy the G2X, it's fine I suppose if you're someone unfortunate to have already purchased it and can't get out of it, but I would hardly suggest jumping on board with it at this juncture. My advice is to just be patient and wait for the Hercules or Nexus Prime. The G2X is an unstable phone that reboots itself and freezes randomly. Why jump onto a sinking ship? There are better options just over the horizon, wait for those.
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I think this statement says a lot. To say a phone is great when it's not malfunctioning says a lot about the phone. If I were the OP I would not take that as a vote of confidence. That being said, OP don't buy the G2X, it's fine I suppose if you're someone unfortunate to have already purchased it and can't get out of it, but I would hardly suggest jumping on board with it at this juncture. My advice is to just be patient and wait for the Hercules or Nexus Prime. The G2X is an unstable phone that reboots itself and freezes randomly. Why jump onto a sinking ship? There are better options just over the horizon, wait for those.
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I don't have any of those problems....
JaiaV said:
I don't have any of those problems....
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Neither do I. The only problems I have are a useless FFC, glitchy A2DP, and an uncertain future.
Still... someone who comes here asking for advice and reassurance before purchasing a G2x is well served by strong words of caution. This is the unfortunate truth.
Awesome phone. I've gotten good ones and bad ones... In my experience there were more good then bad..once you get a good one, then in my opinion everything else sucks (that's available now in us.).
Don't listen to others saying no. I sold a vibrant for this and couldn't be happier. Even having gotten a bad few, I still love this device..
Just imagine every g2x line all the good ones.. I think it would be hard to beat.
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Awesome phone. I've gotten good ones and bad ones... In my experience there were more good then bad..once you get a good one, then in my opinion everything else sucks (that's available now in us.).
Don't listen to others saying no. I sold a vibrant for this and couldn't be happier. Even having gotten a bad few, I still love this device..
Just imagine every g2x line all the good ones.. I think it would be hard to beat.
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So the OP will have to buy a phone based on chance...?
Honestly, I've exchanged my phone once already (the only reason my first one went back is because I thought it had a faulty GPS...turns out they all do!) and I really don't want to be bothered calling T-Mobile every two days until I'm on my nth replacement to get one that actually works.
To the OP, honestly I think ever phone will have its own problems so you just gotta look at the forums to see which ones you can live with.
People's biggest complains with this phone is that:
It restarts randomly (FroYo and Gingerbread).
Has a screen bleed (although better in GB).
The GPS doesn't function the way it should (mostly people complaining from a bad lock on, I personally can't get it to stay locked on for an extended period of time, with RunKeeper it looks like I'm a drunk and spiking up to mountains and running over lakes).
EDIT: And the most annoying thing that happens to me since the GB update: slow downs into oblivion. The phone will become unusable at random times for a good 10 minutes, or until a battery pull (because I'm not able to shut it down since it is unresponsive)
Then there are some that don't experience any of this...
I say take everything people say with a grain of salt. Obviously people make rash comments that stem from their emotional instability. That being said. I recently purchased the G2x, after hearing a lot of complaining about it. YOu must realize, one is much more likely to go out of his way to make known a complaint, than a praise. Human nature I suppose.
The G2x I got, 2.3.3 July baseband, is flawless. It is an amazing phone. No restarts, no bleed, instant GPS lock.
Im not stating that there are bad phones out there, and I empathize with those that may have recieved a few, but let the first impressions go, and realize that they are not ALL bad.
Dude this phone is beast I had mind since launch and it works great everyday, u will be very happy, to the people still having trouble with there phones take it back get a new one and if its past the 14 days send it to LG u have a year
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So the OP will have to buy a phone based on chance...?
Honestly, I've exchanged my phone once already (the only reason my first one went back is because I thought it had a faulty GPS...turns out they all do!) and I really don't want to be bothered calling T-Mobile every two days until I'm on my nth replacement to get one that actually works.
To the OP, honestly I think ever phone will have its own problems so you just gotta look at the forums to see which ones you can live with.
People's biggest complains with this phone is that:
It restarts randomly (FroYo and Gingerbread).
Has a screen bleed (although better in GB).
The GPS doesn't function the way it should (mostly people complaining from a bad lock on, I personally can't get it to stay locked on for an extended period of time, with RunKeeper it looks like I'm a drunk and spiking up to mountains and running over lakes).
EDIT: And the most annoying thing that happens to me since the GB update: slow downs into oblivion. The phone will become unusable at random times for a good 10 minutes, or until a battery pull (because I'm not able to shut it down since it is unresponsive)
Then there are some that don't experience any of this...
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Bud u need a new phone man, slow? This phone is still super fast after not rebooting for 3 days and GPS is almost instant everytime man
From what I've noticed this phone will give you what yuu put in to it. Like a car. To me with a lil tweaking n upgrades its better n faster than my girls nexus s. And im still on the old baseband.....feel like I bought a charger sxt n put a srt8 engine in it....the only complain I gave is my 4g....I use so much data that im always getting slowed down...like I said just like a car...llz
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Avoid it.
I dont see how someone can suggest buying a phone that with a few exchanges you might end up with a good one. That makes no sense. My G1 out the box worked, my Mytouch out the box worked, my Nexus One out the box worked, my mytouch 4g out the box worked, hell my HD2 running Android works better than my G2X, and yes, I have tried several.
Dont get me wrong as I must say WHEN my G2X is running right its balls to the walls fast. I think its probably the fastest Android phone available...as long as I dont need GPS or the phone hasnt shut its self off (if I could be so lucky as to have mine reboot) its not bad, not bad at all. Unfortunately I need my GPS, I am a truck driver and rely on my GPS.
I think honestly its an issue with dual cores right now, I would wait for a bit like others have said and pick up something a bit later. Perhaps even wait for ICS since I believe that will be more optimized for dual and quads.
Its your gamble. If you dont mind possibly sending it back, trying out another one with the clear understanding that its a crap shoot at best if its going to work or not go for it. Me personally? I would not buy it again knowing what I know now and what I have been through with this phone.
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Avoid it.
I dont see how someone can suggest buying a phone that with a few exchanges you might end up with a good one. That makes no sense. My G1 out the box worked, my Mytouch out the box worked, my Nexus One out the box worked, my mytouch 4g out the box worked, hell my HD2 running Android works better than my G2X, and yes, I have tried several.
Dont get me wrong as I must say WHEN my G2X is running right its balls to the walls fast. I think its probably the fastest Android phone available...as long as I dont need GPS or the phone hasnt shut its self off (if I could be so lucky as to have mine reboot) its not bad, not bad at all. Unfortunately I need my GPS, I am a truck driver and rely on my GPS.
I think honestly its an issue with dual cores right now, I would wait for a bit like others have said and pick up something a bit later. Perhaps even wait for ICS since I believe that will be more optimized for dual and quads.
Its your gamble. If you dont mind possibly sending it back, trying out another one with the clear understanding that its a crap shoot at best if its going to work or not go for it. Me personally? I would not buy it again knowing what I know now and what I have been through with this phone.
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I totally agree with this. The people in this thread that are urging the OP to go out and get this phone are not being realistic. Some people don't want to keep swapping phones until they get one that doesn't malfunction. Sure the G2X is a great phone WHEN IT WORKS. The problem is those times when it IS NOT working. For people who are locked into their phone and can't leave this may be tolerable. For people who don't mind having to hack their phone for it to have any semblance of reliability may be tolerable. However, for many people that is unacceptable. I think it's best that the OP at least be made aware of the reality of the situation (the state of the G2X and other phones coming soon) and let him make his decision. My opinion is that it doesn't make sense to jump on board with a phone that may potentially have to swap and swap over and over...a phone that even T-Mobile doesn't really want to offer support for anymore. To me it makes more sense to wait since there are better devices coming out in the near future.
If you're going to leave it stock then you may have issues. If you're planning to mod it and flash alternative roms then you're going to love the phone. The hardware is amazing. LG/T-Mobile's version of the android software is buggy.
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phburks said:
If you're going to leave it stock then you may have issues. If you're planning to mod it and flash alternative roms then you're going to love the phone. The hardware is amazing. LG/T-Mobile's version of the android software is buggy.
G2X CM7
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What he said is correct, stock form doesn't make the hardware justice. I have a vibrant and got my wife the g2x. The first one we got we returned due to random restarts and signal loss. Second one worked ok but returned and cancelled contract because Costco had it for half the price with accessories included. Now my wife hates me tinkering with her phones which I love to do. But after so much complaints from her about not receiving or able to make calls and phone slowing down I convinced her to let me install a custom rom. I installed eagleblood 1.05 and she hasn't complained once anymore and after setting it up and going back to my vibrant which I also run a custom rom and kernel, made my vibe seem to move slow as a turtle. And the screen just looked so much more vibrant as well. It also felt much more "comfortable" , "sturdy" in my hand than my vibrant. Bottom line is if you are lucky enough to get one that doesn't have hardware problems and you are willing to install custom roms on it, then go for it otherwise I would suggest you stick with your vibrant.
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I am not even going to read all the posts but all I will say is this. Forget the G2x and get another device, preferably the Sensation.
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In my opinion, one in 3 or 4 of the original phones are good. I've ended up with one of the good ones after 5 tries.
As Sarni sez', this phone is a beast. Does everything I ask of it. Love the full page internet with Dolphin hd. I sold my Sensation and never looked back.
Now LG.......they just stink period.
But my G2X is awesome, everything works. I'm still on Froyo and rooted, I don't want the update.
Hi ! Well technically im not new to the forum b/c i have a nexus one and use that ... part of the forum a lot but im tryin to help a friend right now.. He has a thunderbolt, and got it pretty close to initial release. He's had many problems with it like periodic need of restarts, and losing like a decent portion of is battery AFTER restart (example before start, 50%, after restart, 40-45%...), text msging problems like (example... "Hi" to John Doe, *send*... it does not appear in the window, go back to the messaging home screen... u see "Hi" sent to Harry Potter instead.. doesnt happen a lot but business wise, once or twice can cause the lost of business... =/ luckily clients have forgave him so far...
and of cos theres like other problems thats hes been experiencing but those are two that came to mind just now..
so wondering, what procedures to help him root/flash a new rom so he can get a better and faster use of his phone (OH another thing, its working quite slow... D i was lookin around the thunderbolt forum, theres roms like synergyrom and of cos cm7 that are really popular.. then reading in some areas, using the revolutionary method is a good way to start to..root? is the revolutionary method the way to get the bootloader or what.. lol yah im noob >_> surprising i got cm7 on my n1 lol
Many people would ***** at ya for not reading the stickies... naughty naughty. In any case yes you want revolutionary. And yes it provides s-off and an unlocked bootloader. Alternatively for the random SMS problem you can just download an alternate messaging app. I use chomp. If I helped ya hit the thanks!
My name is Revos I'm a recovering flashaholic running Liquid Gingerbread 3.0
All your questions answered Here
i actually did read it.. just didnt really understand it cuz it was different then how it was done for my nexus one...
If there are parts that you do not completely understand go ahead and ask specific questions. Nobody will be upset if you are trying to make sure you know what your doing. Which parts did you not understand?
so what i understand so far... you need to obtain S-Off and unlocked boot loader..
theres a few ways in obtaining that? mr1/ota permroot or revolutionary.. there are people saying revolutionary (or the quick n easy way) has a higher chance in bricking phone.. is that true? b/c i wanna use the way that has the lowest or one of the lower chance to brick the phone.. Yah i want it done fast but i want it done the safest way too.. was reading the instructions and it says it uses the clockwork recovery.. iirc.. there was between clockwork and amun-ra ??
for the most part it looks kind of similar to the process i did with my nexus one..
after it being rooted and having the bootloader... do i just look for those custom firmware packages like uhm cm7 or synergy (or what do you people recommend that you like??) and flash it from sd card in bootloader??
Of all the reading I did about revolutionary I didnt notice anyone bricking their phone. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it seemed to run smooth for most everyone that followed the directions.
You will install CCW while your running the revolutionary.
And to answer your last question, yes you will just download whatever rom you choose to the root of your sdcard, flash it from recovery.
*sigh* friend hesistant to get it done because he has insurance on the phone... guess ill wait until he's willing ahaha thx for the help !
All the more reason to root. Worst case he bricks it. If he doesn't brick it he will learn how much more fun and enjoyable the Tbolt is with the ability to flash new roms, or change whatever he wants.
Insurance covers phones "accidentally" dropped into the toilet...
yah hes worried if it gets bricked.. hes all for the fixing ...
The only way you are going to brick your phone is if you don't follow the directions. Just make sure you do a nandroid backup through the bootloader and go from there. If your friend is to afraid to do it I'm sure you can check Craigslist for people to root it for you. I'd do it for you but I don't know if the forum allows it.
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Tell him to grow some and root. Hes gonna have to eventually do it anyways to avoid issues like hes been having. Of he does an insurance claim they're just gonna send him a refurbished one and who's to say all the issues were solved with that one after it was sent back? I don't get how people can complain, ask for help and then be reluctant. Whatever you do make sure you sit him down and walk him through it otherwise if he has any issues he'll be calling and blaming you. Been there and laughed and laughed. Good luck.
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I'm ashamed to admit it, but I'm in the same boat almost. I still haven't rooted and rom'd yet for similar reasons. That said, I'm pretty close, especially with the logging fiasco. From what I've read, there haven't been any legit reports of bricking due to Revolutionary, at least used correctly. Most people say it's only when you try an old method of rooting or otherwise don't follow directions.
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I'm ashamed to admit it, but I'm in the same boat almost. I still haven't rooted and rom'd yet for similar reasons. That said, I'm pretty close, especially with the logging fiasco. From what I've read, there haven't been any legit reports of bricking due to Revolutionary, at least used correctly. Most people say it's only when you try an old method of rooting or otherwise don't follow directions.
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Trust me... It's a LOT less scary after you do it than before. I've helped walk some people through the old ADB method with success and Revolutionary is idiot proof by comparison.
Why wouldn't somebody want to root their phone? I just don't understand why. I mean maybe they're worried about warranties or wanting to return the phone, but that's all I can think of. Does anybody know why people are so scared to root? My friend just refused to let me root his phone because he thinks I'm "breaking" it.
Lay out the advantages of having a rooted device and an unrooted device. Try not to mention returning a phone or warranty issues, because that isn't totally relevant to my argument with my friend (he is NOT turning in his phone anytime soon ). Right so I'm just curious. I can't imagine having an Android phone and it NOT being rooted.
Pros:
POWER (so much power)
BLN/BLD/Voodoo/Touchwake/OC/UV
Custom Kernels
Custom ROMs
Proper terminal/busybox
Adblock
ClockSync (these android phones have appalling timekeeping)
General customisation (build.prop, icons)
And of course wifikill (this links back to POWER)
etc etc
Cons:
Warranty, though hardware should be under warranty anyway as long as it has nothing to do with software malfunction (power button, usb port, etc).
Damn windows drivers
Maybe if it requires a lot of work and they do not appreciate customization or control. Perfect iPhone user if you ask me.
My brother in law had a Droid X and you had to jump through 15 hoops to root it and flash custom ROMs. He has a Galaxy Nexus now and has no desire to unlock and root it. :screwy:
My coworker has a Xoom and a Bionic and has not rooted either. Then he was complaining how long it was taking for the OTA ICS to be rolled out.
Nick N said:
Maybe if it requires a lot of work and they do not appreciate customization or control. Perfect iPhone user if you ask me.
My brother in law had a Droid X and you had to jump through 15 hoops to root it and flash custom ROMs. He has a Galaxy Nexus now and has no desire to unlock and root it. :screwy:
My coworker has a Xoom and a Bionic and has not rooted either. Then he was complaining how long it was taking for the OTA ICS to be rolled out.
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for Nexus series , unlock and root is absolutely required , because they are google's sons and pure blood of Android , with Nexuses you can do all kinda things
Nexuses are for people like us who is DEV or likes flash ROM over and over and over ...
okay , i 'm sorry that off the subject.
but , honestly , for crazy users like we are do need it , because lots thing we do daily needs root access
but for a normal user , that kinda people who doesn't know much things about flash ROM or something , it's kinda not need to be rooted...
root or not , it depends on your usage.
for the people who only use phone to talk to SMS to Gmail and to browser webpage, what roots for ???
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for Nexus series , unlock and root is absolutely required , because they are google's sons and pure blood of Android , with Nexuses you can do all kinda things
Nexuses are for people like us who is DEV or likes flash ROM over and over and over ...
okay , i 'm sorry that off the subject.
but , honestly , for crazy users like we are do need it , because lots thing we do daily needs root access
but for a normal user , that kinda people who doesn't know much things about flash ROM or something , it's kinda not need to be rooted...
root or not , it depends on your usage.
for the people who only use phone to talk to SMS to Gmail and to browser webpage, what roots for ???
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So you're arguing that unrooted is simplicity from what I gathered in that text lol ? I don't know. I'm still not convinced. I believe it is better to root. If you root you will finally be able to get that "one" thing your phone is missing. Ever single person in this world has had a moment where they say "I wish my phone could..." ... well it can if they root it
Nexus S - AOSP+ Neapolitan flavors 3.0, Glados kernel 2.8
For my friend, his reason not rooting is because he's really lazy. And the possibility of his phone bricking is too worry some for him to root especially when he doesn't really need to.
When I was deciding not to root or not was because of the warranty. I just realized I could lock it again and return it for warranty if anything
Well, how should I suppose to say this. The only reason I buy Android phone is because it could be rooted. And this is where all the fun is!!!
You'll only brick it if you're are "smart" enough not to read what the ROM or whatever you're using supports your phone. Warranty issues are not includes for just such reason lol. If somebody can give me 3 point how rooting is better I will praise you and my friend. So fair stock:0 rooted:a heavy amount
Nexus S - AOSP+ Neapolitan flavors 3.0, Glados kernel 2.8
I am always worried of the EFS folder
BTW : would that folder be at risk if the device is rooted ? and would rooted devices are at more risk that some app would screw an original one ?
Because most people only care about 3 things
1) Can it make calls
2) Can it send SMS/MMS
3) Can I browse the web
If a phone matches that criteria most are good to go
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I am not a dev, nor am I a programmer. The most I can do is follow instructions and edit simple things like font style and color in XMLs. I don't dare flashing bleeding edge stuff, so I always read reviews and go with something other people have tried first.
Still, I think that for an Android phone, rooting is much better than not rooting if you want to get the most out of your money. The performance and battery life can be improved, depending on the phone model, one can get a mild improvement (like with Nexus S) or dramatic change that makes you feel as if your phone gets a new life. Some people may not be inclined to backup often or spend time read up on XDA, but if they have a friend/relative who likes those stuff, it would be nice to have that friend/relative pick a stable setup and put those in (and set periodic auto backup for apps/messages). When others are whining "updates where? I have waited for MONTHS for GB/ICS", custom ROM users are already enjoying the new features.
Warranty still applies as long as you have the card. I've fixed the power button of my under-warranty LG Optimus One and they got it done with no questions asked. I know someone who had their Nexus S bricked due to wrong flashing and they still get to claim warranty.
If a person only uses their phone for calls, text and the occasional browsing, buying an Android phone is probably a waste of money.
Hey budday...
To answer the initial question as to why some one, but in this case I do not want to root is out of fear bricking my phone. Also I've found it fairly easy to customize without ..but in this case if you can lay out an easily read diagram or some sh!t then maybe people(me) will be more compelled to. Or for your sake make your argument a better one !
Especially with this ridiculously delayed OTA for my nexus ..and with no indication as to why! ? That's what I really wanna know!
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Maybe they want to leave it stock to not deal with the headache. Most ppl root just to tether for free and thats it.
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My work place is gey. In order to access the Corporate Exchange server using the Good for Enterprise app, my phone has to be unrooted. The Good app sees that I have superuser binary on my phone and won't allow access. I can't use my phone without it rooted, I'll go nuts. So I ditched Good, and my phone stays rooted. Why are Corporations afraid of rooted phones?
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Election Day said:
Try calling someone's customer support and explain any problem you are having in full detail. They will still treat you like a complete idiot that does not have a clue what he/she is talking about.
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LOL, i know what you're saying. but they don't do that to insult you or imply you don't know anything. They don't know who you are or how much you know. It is simply the best way to approach a problem. If a user said they did something, how do you really know? (e.g. user says they rebooted the computer. but what they did was log out and log back in)
Anyways, there are different reasons why someone might not wanna root. If they don't wanna hear it then stop pushing. who doesn't hate that religious guy insisting you go to his church? when you keep pushing people to root you are that guy.
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Because most people only care about 3 things
1) Can it make calls
2) Can it send SMS/MMS
3) Can I browse the web
If a phone matches that criteria most are good to go
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Any finished (decent) ROM does that better and it does ALOT MORE
Nexus S - AOSP+ Neapolitan flavors 3.0, Glados kernel 2.8
As a new Nexus S user who is yet to root, it is something I am planning on doing, but the shear number of ROMs and kernel's is very daunting, and it seems I'm going to have to set aside a fair few hours when I finally decide to do it. I'm sure once it's done I'll be hooked, it's just the initial jump that's delaying it for me.
Due to the huge number of people involved in Nexus S development (and this is not a bad thing by any means!) I am finding it difficult to find a suitable starting point.