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Note: I'm posting this on multiple forums to receive more varied feedback, so if you see it in a couple places, please don't get upset.
I'm thinking of getting rid of my Inspire for a Nexus One. I'm frankly disappointed in the battery life and the customization options available to me. I've been reading these forums for quite awhile, so I'm very aware of all the options I have with my Inspire -- telling me that I can root "following this guide" or whatnot isn't going to be a game-changer for me.
What are your thoughts? What will I miss going from the Inspire to the Nexus One? What might I like better about the Nexus One? Is the trackball really that exciting?
If I do end up looking to do it, what do I have to look for when getting one? I know they sold them for TMo only first, and then brought out an AT&T compatible one. I've heard that there were two different screens available for them, does anyone have a preference or know what the difference might be? If I do end up looking for one, where should I look? Do you think there would be people willing to trade a Nexus One for an Inspire plus some cash?
I've already done a backup to the SD card via My Backup Pro - if I get a Nexus One, should I just have to insert the SIM and SD card and restore everything, or do I have to worry about more than that?
Any thoughts or advice is welcome! Thank you!
What customization options are you disappointed about? Just remember the Inspire is just 2 months old and look how far we have gotten with it so far.
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True, I do recognize that I'm posting in the XDA forums! I'm speaking of a stock, unrooted Inspire. I'm not willing to root this phone -- after reading nearly everything there is to read on it, I'm convinced I will break it or get lost. I know my limits, and this is it. If there was a way to root without needing a gold card or downgrading or any of that, I might be in. There are many phones out there that can even be rooted without losing your info! This is complicated. At this point I'd simply be following directions whose actual meaning I'd be completely lost to, and just hoping that everything was done right in the right order. And if something went wrong, I'd have no idea where or how in between S-off, gold cards, downgrading, radios, sound issues, Eng S-off, etc.
I'm not knocking the people here, you have done amazing things with a phone that did NOT want to be rooted/customized. I'm just not able to take advantage of what you've done, because to be honest -- it is all above my head. And I'm not willing to be one of those people with the "Help! I think I turned my Inspire into a rabbit" threads.
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True, I do recognize that I'm posting in the XDA forums! I'm speaking of a stock, unrooted Inspire. I'm not willing to root this phone -- after reading nearly everything there is to read on it, I'm convinced I will break it or get lost. I know my limits, and this is it. If there was a way to root without needing a gold card or downgrading or any of that, I might be in. There are many phones out there that can even be rooted without losing your info! This is complicated. At this point I'd simply be following directions whose actual meaning I'd be completely lost to, and just hoping that everything was done right in the right order. And if something went wrong, I'd have no idea where or how in between S-off, gold cards, downgrading, radios, sound issues, Eng S-off, etc.
I'm not knocking the people here, you have done amazing things with a phone that did NOT want to be rooted/customized. I'm just not able to take advantage of what you've done, because to be honest -- it is all above my head. And I'm not willing to be one of those people with the "Help! I think I turned my Inspire into a rabbit" threads.
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rooting is easier then you think!
HTC Inspire on CM7. Beast ROM. If I helped Thank me
I wouldn't touch a Nexus One with a ten foot pole. I am too used to using modern tech. That phone is very dated and feels every month of it. It would be like me giving up my Inspire for an iPhone 3G. If I were to move to the Nexus, I'd definitely be looking at the Nexus S. It's still an older tech phone, but has a nicer screen, it's lighter, and has a great support community.
However, I really can't think of anything you could do with the Nexus One that you can't with the Inspire... Every rom you could think of is here on this phone. The Captivate devs are almost all over here now, so we have that going for us. Of course, I'm in an HSPA+ area, so I'd also be taking a nose dive in data speed.
Oh yea, and using the newest version of the LeeDroid rom with SetCPU on the "Smartass" governer, I'm just now pluggin my phone in at the 34 hour mark with 5 hours of screen time... That's pretty damn good, if I do say so my damn self.
Many of your points involve rooting, which I've already said worries me. I'm a perfectly capable computer person, but the phone tech is daunting to me. I don't know where to start, and most of the terminology is worrying. You say it's easier than it looks, but that's because you've done it! To me looking in from the outside, it's so far beyond me it's like wanting to live on a base on the moon...
Silas0220 said:
Many of your points involve rooting, which I've already said worries me. I'm a perfectly capable computer person, but the phone tech is daunting to me. I don't know where to start, and most of the terminology is worrying. You say it's easier than it looks, but that's because you've done it! To me looking in from the outside, it's so far beyond me it's like wanting to live on a base on the moon...
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Don't sweat it, man. Just hop into the "One Click Root" thread in the Development forum. It'll outline what you need to have before starting the process. It will guide you step by step through what you need to do. It's a headache when you first do it, but after that you'll be flashing like a champ. It's addictive. Feel free to PM me if you want to go through it together. I'll be more than happy to help. Just make sure you do everything with a fully charged battery.
One Click Root thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961406
Also, there's a video in the top part of the first post. It's for an earlier version of the root app, but it's still very viable and lets you watch someone do it before you go through it.
Maybe he will like that with the N1 you can have a dirty trackball(since most are used now) that can change colors? You know colors with a "Brownish" tint.
The only thing advantage I could think of is there is a chance to use a cheaper data plan with the N1. But then again, the last time I used a N1 was a yr ago, so now the IMEIs may be recognized by ATT. But not sure if the OP realizes that you can do this.
Yeah, I've kinda dismissed the whole "Stick it to AT&T and use a $10 data plan!" thing. From what I can tell, the ones who do it are pretty much just lucky at this point. If you can say being stuck on Edge is lucky...
*takes a deep breath* Okay, maybe I'll look into this whole rooting business. I'd say I've been through about 1/3 of the pages in that one click root thread... Seems like a fair few people are getting things mucked up -- would you say they're pretty much the ones who are messing with things I'd likely never touch? Do I ever need to worry about a radio? Does the stock rooted ROM that's loaded at the end of it allow for better battery life and overclocking? Those are really my two biggest concerns if I'm going to root (and yeah, I get that they're counterproductive!).
I know I'm asking all the noob questions over again, most of which have already been answered many times here. People tend to get impatient with people like me getting into this kind of stuff, which is one reason I chose to stay away from it. This editorial (http://www.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer) also made me think twice (or three times)...
If I get into this, what I'd like to be able to do is to copy all my SD card files onto my computer, keeping the whole thing intact, copy it all back once this thing is done and I no longer need the gold card, fire up My Backup Pro, and have everything end up right back where it was. I really feel as if this is asking too much...
I know the feeling of everything looking really complex and hard. I came from a black berry, the key to rooting with either method is reading the directions. The directions are extremely watered down. What exactly scares you about rooting, what terminology? We are here to help you. The inspire is an amazing little device.
Thank you all for being willing to be so helpful. I'd say I was mostly turned off to rooting by going through the Hack Kit and One Click threads and reading about all the people who actually know what they're talking about having issues and breaking things. I figured if they were breaking things, I'd be SURE to mess something up big time.
I'll be keeping you guys at my fingertips for PMs if this goes badly, and I really do appreciate you being willing to help.
For those of you who do this ROM swapping thing often, is there any way to have some program make a snapshot of your homescreens so you don't have to re-configure them every time? Seems like it'd be a pain.
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Thank you all for being willing to be so helpful. I'd say I was mostly turned off to rooting by going through the Hack Kit and One Click threads and reading about all the people who actually know what they're talking about having issues and breaking things. I figured if they were breaking things, I'd be SURE to mess something up big time.
I'll be keeping you guys at my fingertips for PMs if this goes badly, and I really do appreciate you being willing to help.
For those of you who do this ROM swapping thing often, is there any way to have some program make a snapshot of your homescreens so you don't have to re-configure them every time? Seems like it'd be a pain.
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Breaking things not so much . No one has completely bricked their inspire. There are a few things here and there that pop up and usually already have a fix posted for them.
Check out the guide to flashing at the top of this forum, I tried to get as detailed as I could.
Honestly no, Flashing a new rom (not an patch/upgrade) will be like booting your phone up for the first time. Though you can back up your sms,apps, and contacts. Everything else you will have to set up again. It can be a pain, but the pros far out weigh the cons !
Any reason you can see for me to use the hack kit over the one click?
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They are both good, the hack kit lets you be a little more involved with the rooting process. Where the GUI is more automated. The GUI has the potential to flash the h-boot wrong after it is rooted and s-off, leading to a black cwm screen. You can find a fix for that in the guide that is stickied.
Ooooookay, taking a deep breath and diving in. I'll let you know when I come up for air...
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Any reason you can see for me to use the hack kit over the one click?
Sent from a solid block of aluminum.
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I say the only reason you should use the hack kit is to understand adb commands a little bit better. I've used both methods and felt a tiny bit more accomplished with the hack kit. Don't worry about messing up, there are plenty of people willing to lend a hand.
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Currently downloading the One Click with about 7 minutes to go. Is there an easy way to tell what ROMs allow for overclocking and to what point? I don't exactly see the need at the moment (I've never noticed my Inspire running slowly), but it'd be nice for future-proofing. I've been able to gather that OC requires more to do with the kernel than the ROM, and that not every ROM includes a kernel (I'm not even sure what I'd do with a kernel if I got one...). I'm figuring it's safe to assume that the stock rooted ROM that is loaded by the One Click doesn't have any OC abilities.
EDIT: I believe from most of my reading that I'm most interested in the LeeDroid ROM and accoutrements. Someone earlier mentioned that they are using this right now -- from going through his thread, it looks like that involves kernels and radios in addition to ROMS. I'm not asking for anyone to do anything special for me, but is there a step-by-step on how to go from post-One Click to happy LeeDroid?
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Currently downloading the One Click with about 7 minutes to go. Is there an easy way to tell what ROMs allow for overclocking and to what point? I don't exactly see the need at the moment (I've never noticed my Inspire running slowly), but it'd be nice for future-proofing. I've been able to gather that OC requires more to do with the kernel than the ROM, and that not every ROM includes a kernel (I'm not even sure what I'd do with a kernel if I got one...). I'm figuring it's safe to assume that the stock rooted ROM that is loaded by the One Click doesn't have any OC abilities.
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Unless they changed it no (GUI).
Most devs will put OC or [OC] in the threads title, most of the time the kernel will flash along side of the rom. Though if it isn't and it is an optional kernel, the best method is to flash the the rom, then reboot, then flash the kernel. Most are overclocked to 1.8ghz some are 1.5ghz.
edit: You flash a kernel like you would a rom, except when flashing a kernel you don't do a full wipe, but it is best to wipe cache and dalvik cache.
Divinedark said:
Don't sweat it, man. Just hop into the "One Click Root" thread in the Development forum. It'll outline what you need to have before starting the process. It will guide you step by step through what you need to do. It's a headache when you first do it, but after that you'll be flashing like a champ. It's addictive. Feel free to PM me if you want to go through it together. I'll be more than happy to help. Just make sure you do everything with a fully charged battery.
One Click Root thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961406
Also, there's a video in the top part of the first post. It's for an earlier version of the root app, but it's still very viable and lets you watch someone do it before you go through it.
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I have to chime in here and say that I have rooted and flashed my old Nexus one many times and I was totally lost with the Inspire root methods. I literally got a migraine just reading through the one-click thread the first time.
What are you having trouble understanding about it?
Hello,
Been using Android for about a year now, and am looking for someone who wants to make some fast cash to get Cyanogen 7 on my phone. I'm currently running the myTouch 4G on T-Mo, and have Gingerbread 2.3.4 running.
I normally might attempt to do this myself, but knowing that I have to downgrade, and then Root, followed by the Cyanogen load... I'm too nervous that I'm going to achieve brick, not root.
Anyone interested in some [easy] money? Reply or PM me.
THx.
track40 said:
Hello,
Been using Android for about a year now, and am looking for someone who wants to make some fast cash to get Cyanogen 7 on my phone. I'm currently running the myTouch 4G on T-Mo, and have Gingerbread 2.3.4 running.
I normally might attempt to do this myself, but knowing that I have to downgrade, and then Root, followed by the Cyanogen load... I'm too nervous that I'm going to achieve brick, not root.
Anyone interested in some [easy] money? Reply or PM me.
THx.
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lol i'd love to but can't :\
track40 said:
Hello,
Been using Android for about a year now, and am looking for someone who wants to make some fast cash to get Cyanogen 7 on my phone. I'm currently running the myTouch 4G on T-Mo, and have Gingerbread 2.3.4 running.
I normally might attempt to do this myself, but knowing that I have to downgrade, and then Root, followed by the Cyanogen load... I'm too nervous that I'm going to achieve brick, not root.
Anyone interested in some [easy] money? Reply or PM me.
THx.
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How much? I'm in Oak Park and just curious.
I've rooted 4 MT4G's, 1 recently(old one didn't agree with the pool), 3 G1's, a Desire, and a Nook, so I'm pretty familiar with rooting.
If i were you, i wouldn't relay on someone else. If something goes south how are YOU going to fix YOUR phone?
I know. That is something I've been wrestling with. Not sure how to do it otherwise. Wish I knew someone that I could trust.
track40 said:
I know. That is something I've been wrestling with. Not sure how to do it otherwise. Wish I knew someone that I could trust.
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Everyone has to start somewhere. I'd take a look in my new comers thread. Link is in my signature.
That is a good starting point.
My biggest concern is undoing Gingerbread and rolling back to Froyo. Other than that... the tools along with everything I've read seem pretty solid.
Damn Gingerbread.
I'm have the same issue downgrading with no home internet I was asking the same for someone in N.Y.C area. After a downgrade is done I can easily root and put a rom with no home internet.
guys, take your time, READ THE DIRECTIONS, and you'll be fine. you can do it!!!
I think the ideal thing to do would be to snag a cheap MT4G on eBay, and mess with rooting that way.
Then if I mess it all up, no worries.
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Best thing to do is to read,read,and re-read.its not very difficult to figure it out.all the info is here.why pay me to read instructions,and usr a little deductive reasoni.g,when you can do the same.
Well,
Oh,ok.
$100 bucks.drop it off over here by the HIP mall.lol.
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Just kidding.dude,its not difficult.just search and think about it.you'll do it.
I didn't even know what a zip file was,and now I've rooted,hacked l kinds of stuff,using adb,etc...but I did spend a lot of time reading about Linux,cell phones,etc...
Then,I read some more,and paid attention to the problems others had,and figured what to do,and what not to do.
Other words,u can do it.don't pay someone.
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Thanks guys.
Will try it myself after a little more research.
The unlockr.com was a good place to start for me, real simple step by step tutorials and they have some good roms, ( linked to xda), to start with. I don't know if it has been updated recently but it couldn't hurt. Rooting took me like 10 min to figure out by the way, it really isn't that difficult of a process. Good luck!
The step by step wiki is SUPER easy to follow.
When I first did it I didn't know what half of the steps meant. But you just follow them in order, trust that the people who wrote them weren't playing some prank, and everything works fine.
It's more cutting and pasting from the wiki to your terminal screen than anything else. If you can cut and paste, you can root the MT4G
theunlockr.com seems to have very straightforward instructions on how to roll back to Froyo and then actually root the MT4G.
Once the phone is rooted and running a third party rom, if you ever have a problem with cell service, like not getting voicemails, or something like that, will Tmo even help you?
Do you have to reload the stock rom prior to ever making any service requests?
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Yea they won't help if you are having issues with whatever rom you are on. No rom Is perfect so you might have issues like that, if you do you just load a new rom. Trolling around the forums is a good way to see what roms have issues and what dont. Team Royal, Unity, Faux123, CM7, and evil D (unity idk if he does work by himse
lf), all make solid roms. Rooting voids your warranty (as if you didn't know that), so if by any chance you destroy you phone, un root it first then send it back. One thing I have found however is that it is almost impossible to brick you phone, ( unless you are messing with the radios so DONT!, unless you know what you a doing), that is because you can flash a backup so, if you already knew that stuff...well sorrys! If not...your welcome.
Dont worry you can do it! I was super worried my self and it took me weeks to finally jump in but now theres no turning back for me!
I gotta say this community sure is supportive. Thanks guys! I gotta read everything on "theunlockr.com" a few dozen times now.
Anyone know if I'm starting from Gingerbread, rolling back, then rooting, then flashing CM7... How much time this should all take... Ballpark, assuming no problems?
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If you're working straight through without putting the phone aside at each milestone like I did and don't get stuck with mildly confusing errors like I did twice (SD card file system mounting confusion and an untimely update to the Android Terminal Emulator app that screwed up the keyboard—developer has since fixed the issue) and failure to CTFM (comprehend, not read) what I was reading after midnight on the first night, I'd imagine you could get it all done within a couple of hours, including backing up the stock ROM and installing the engineering bootloader. However, I would just take it one step at a time and not rush through everything.
Make sure to back up your stock ROM. The CM wiki for this phone completely ignores that process as well as any information on how to unroot, and I think it's unwise to believe that you won't ever need to revert to factory settings once you switch to CM.
I took bits and pieces from four different guides to revert and then root. I did what was most logical between the guides because none of the four that I used were as comprehensive as I think they should be for a complete newbie. The one that came closest in my opinion was the root guide for the HTC Panache from the HTC Glacier XDA wiki entry. That said, I'm not new to shells nor phone modding, so I figured it all out eventually. Installing the new ROM was the easiest part for me, followed closely by rolling back to Froyo. The middle part—rooting—requires the most patience and understanding of what's happening.
Why wouldn't somebody want to root their phone? I just don't understand why. I mean maybe they're worried about warranties or wanting to return the phone, but that's all I can think of. Does anybody know why people are so scared to root? My friend just refused to let me root his phone because he thinks I'm "breaking" it.
Lay out the advantages of having a rooted device and an unrooted device. Try not to mention returning a phone or warranty issues, because that isn't totally relevant to my argument with my friend (he is NOT turning in his phone anytime soon ). Right so I'm just curious. I can't imagine having an Android phone and it NOT being rooted.
Pros:
POWER (so much power)
BLN/BLD/Voodoo/Touchwake/OC/UV
Custom Kernels
Custom ROMs
Proper terminal/busybox
Adblock
ClockSync (these android phones have appalling timekeeping)
General customisation (build.prop, icons)
And of course wifikill (this links back to POWER)
etc etc
Cons:
Warranty, though hardware should be under warranty anyway as long as it has nothing to do with software malfunction (power button, usb port, etc).
Damn windows drivers
Maybe if it requires a lot of work and they do not appreciate customization or control. Perfect iPhone user if you ask me.
My brother in law had a Droid X and you had to jump through 15 hoops to root it and flash custom ROMs. He has a Galaxy Nexus now and has no desire to unlock and root it. :screwy:
My coworker has a Xoom and a Bionic and has not rooted either. Then he was complaining how long it was taking for the OTA ICS to be rolled out.
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Maybe if it requires a lot of work and they do not appreciate customization or control. Perfect iPhone user if you ask me.
My brother in law had a Droid X and you had to jump through 15 hoops to root it and flash custom ROMs. He has a Galaxy Nexus now and has no desire to unlock and root it. :screwy:
My coworker has a Xoom and a Bionic and has not rooted either. Then he was complaining how long it was taking for the OTA ICS to be rolled out.
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for Nexus series , unlock and root is absolutely required , because they are google's sons and pure blood of Android , with Nexuses you can do all kinda things
Nexuses are for people like us who is DEV or likes flash ROM over and over and over ...
okay , i 'm sorry that off the subject.
but , honestly , for crazy users like we are do need it , because lots thing we do daily needs root access
but for a normal user , that kinda people who doesn't know much things about flash ROM or something , it's kinda not need to be rooted...
root or not , it depends on your usage.
for the people who only use phone to talk to SMS to Gmail and to browser webpage, what roots for ???
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for Nexus series , unlock and root is absolutely required , because they are google's sons and pure blood of Android , with Nexuses you can do all kinda things
Nexuses are for people like us who is DEV or likes flash ROM over and over and over ...
okay , i 'm sorry that off the subject.
but , honestly , for crazy users like we are do need it , because lots thing we do daily needs root access
but for a normal user , that kinda people who doesn't know much things about flash ROM or something , it's kinda not need to be rooted...
root or not , it depends on your usage.
for the people who only use phone to talk to SMS to Gmail and to browser webpage, what roots for ???
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So you're arguing that unrooted is simplicity from what I gathered in that text lol ? I don't know. I'm still not convinced. I believe it is better to root. If you root you will finally be able to get that "one" thing your phone is missing. Ever single person in this world has had a moment where they say "I wish my phone could..." ... well it can if they root it
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For my friend, his reason not rooting is because he's really lazy. And the possibility of his phone bricking is too worry some for him to root especially when he doesn't really need to.
When I was deciding not to root or not was because of the warranty. I just realized I could lock it again and return it for warranty if anything
Well, how should I suppose to say this. The only reason I buy Android phone is because it could be rooted. And this is where all the fun is!!!
You'll only brick it if you're are "smart" enough not to read what the ROM or whatever you're using supports your phone. Warranty issues are not includes for just such reason lol. If somebody can give me 3 point how rooting is better I will praise you and my friend. So fair stock:0 rooted:a heavy amount
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I am always worried of the EFS folder
BTW : would that folder be at risk if the device is rooted ? and would rooted devices are at more risk that some app would screw an original one ?
Because most people only care about 3 things
1) Can it make calls
2) Can it send SMS/MMS
3) Can I browse the web
If a phone matches that criteria most are good to go
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I am not a dev, nor am I a programmer. The most I can do is follow instructions and edit simple things like font style and color in XMLs. I don't dare flashing bleeding edge stuff, so I always read reviews and go with something other people have tried first.
Still, I think that for an Android phone, rooting is much better than not rooting if you want to get the most out of your money. The performance and battery life can be improved, depending on the phone model, one can get a mild improvement (like with Nexus S) or dramatic change that makes you feel as if your phone gets a new life. Some people may not be inclined to backup often or spend time read up on XDA, but if they have a friend/relative who likes those stuff, it would be nice to have that friend/relative pick a stable setup and put those in (and set periodic auto backup for apps/messages). When others are whining "updates where? I have waited for MONTHS for GB/ICS", custom ROM users are already enjoying the new features.
Warranty still applies as long as you have the card. I've fixed the power button of my under-warranty LG Optimus One and they got it done with no questions asked. I know someone who had their Nexus S bricked due to wrong flashing and they still get to claim warranty.
If a person only uses their phone for calls, text and the occasional browsing, buying an Android phone is probably a waste of money.
Hey budday...
To answer the initial question as to why some one, but in this case I do not want to root is out of fear bricking my phone. Also I've found it fairly easy to customize without ..but in this case if you can lay out an easily read diagram or some sh!t then maybe people(me) will be more compelled to. Or for your sake make your argument a better one !
Especially with this ridiculously delayed OTA for my nexus ..and with no indication as to why! ? That's what I really wanna know!
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Maybe they want to leave it stock to not deal with the headache. Most ppl root just to tether for free and thats it.
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My work place is gey. In order to access the Corporate Exchange server using the Good for Enterprise app, my phone has to be unrooted. The Good app sees that I have superuser binary on my phone and won't allow access. I can't use my phone without it rooted, I'll go nuts. So I ditched Good, and my phone stays rooted. Why are Corporations afraid of rooted phones?
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Election Day said:
Try calling someone's customer support and explain any problem you are having in full detail. They will still treat you like a complete idiot that does not have a clue what he/she is talking about.
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LOL, i know what you're saying. but they don't do that to insult you or imply you don't know anything. They don't know who you are or how much you know. It is simply the best way to approach a problem. If a user said they did something, how do you really know? (e.g. user says they rebooted the computer. but what they did was log out and log back in)
Anyways, there are different reasons why someone might not wanna root. If they don't wanna hear it then stop pushing. who doesn't hate that religious guy insisting you go to his church? when you keep pushing people to root you are that guy.
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fergie716 said:
Because most people only care about 3 things
1) Can it make calls
2) Can it send SMS/MMS
3) Can I browse the web
If a phone matches that criteria most are good to go
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Any finished (decent) ROM does that better and it does ALOT MORE
Nexus S - AOSP+ Neapolitan flavors 3.0, Glados kernel 2.8
As a new Nexus S user who is yet to root, it is something I am planning on doing, but the shear number of ROMs and kernel's is very daunting, and it seems I'm going to have to set aside a fair few hours when I finally decide to do it. I'm sure once it's done I'll be hooked, it's just the initial jump that's delaying it for me.
Due to the huge number of people involved in Nexus S development (and this is not a bad thing by any means!) I am finding it difficult to find a suitable starting point.
Hello there... this is probably going to get laughed at by the more experienced users on the site, but what the hell, here it goes.
I've had a Droid 2, an HTC Thunderbolt, a Dell Streak 7 tablet, and now, my pretty new TF300 tablet. I've never rooted any of them (the Thunderbolt looks scary as f*** to root), mainly because I was scared. I want to unlock all the capabilities of my device, but the idea of bricking anything I have just scares the piss out of me.
I've heard people say that the Transformer (not necessarily the TF300, mind you) is fairly easier to root than other devices because ASUS provides you the software you need to root it. Well, to my surprise, that software was nowhere to be found when my tab showed up. So I guess it's up to me to seek out the details and do some hardcore tab rooting... but damn am I scared.
Bottom line: I'm verrry inexperienced at rooting things... I probably couldn't root my way out of a paper bag. I see the lingo people use in the topics where they talk about rooting their device, and I am just totally lost. I guess I'm looking for input from others who were new to rooting until they hit this device, or input from pros about how risky it is, the ease of the rooting process, a more in-depth explanation of the rooting process... anything. The more, the better. Anything anybody could say to help me nut up enough to root my device, I'm looking forward to hearing it.
All you have to do, if you're still on the OG firmware (.17), is find the app called Sparkyroot, open it, and follow the directions. There is no danger of a brick by using Sparkyroot.
Note that if you've updated to .26 or .29 firmware, you'll have to downgrade to root, which could potentially cause a brick. But really, as long as you can control your attention span and follow directions, you should be fine.
Check out this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645029
I'm a computer programmer and I rooted only because I wanted to remap the keys on the dock. If you are so hesitant, and don't have a good reason to root, maybe your tablet is just fine the way it is. If you don't have a good reason to root, but you have time to kill, and want to learn new things, then it may be a good thing to do.
As a first safe step, on your laptop you can just install the android sdk with platform-tools, install the usb driver for tf300t, and see if you see anything when you type "adb devices" in command prompt. Maybe doing this will give you a better idea on things that you'll need to do.
Honestly, I'd wait until you have a real need or reason to root. You say you want to "unlock all the capabilities" of your TF300. But what do you mean by that? Is there a specific app you want to run?
I rooted my phone because I wanted free WiFi tethering. I haven't rooted my TF300 because I haven't yet run into any increased functionaliy that I feel I really need or want.
Another thing to consider is that OTA updates can fail or brick a rooted device (or you may simply lose root). So if you want an OS update, you sometimes have to flash an older, un-rooted stock ROM on your device, then take the upgrade. A bit of a hassle. I expect that, since the TF300 is so new, we'll be seeing a few OTA's over the coming months. Until things settle down I, personally, am happy as is.
You're gonna think this is so stupid... but the reason I want to root is so I can run an app called GameCIH, which would help me cheat in a game. lol
In my own defense, the developers have made that game so difficult that your only real hope is to buy in-game currency for real money. Enough other people say, "Cheating is wrong, but in this case, it's pretty warranted."
Lol, you have piqued my curiosity. What game? And its stupid easy on .17. I did it about 4 hours after receiving. If you wish to waive your warranty, you can unlock, install CWR(clock work recovery), then flash the SU(super user) zip.
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The game is called Defender II from Droidhen. If you go to Play, you'll see a whole poop ton of one-stars, people complaining that the game basically became impossible after the last few updates.
Now, since I'm such a know-nothing when it comes to stuff like this, I don't feel bad asking: I saw that Asus released a bootloader thing for unlocking the TF300 today. Is unlocking different from rooting, and can I hack that game having just used the bootloader apk? I tried using the GameCIH app, but it told me my device wasn't rooted so I couldn't use it.
And to answer somebody's earlier question, I have provided my device with all the firmware updates supplied it over the air by Asus. Does the bootloader app I downloaded tonight make that any less problematic?
-Tim
Here are my reasons to root:
- app backups/restore with saves (mostly games )
- tune settings (look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1641219)
- some apps require root access for more functionality (nova laucher, titanium backup)
- I'm a linux user so I like having god-like control over my system even if I don't use it offen
- and many more...
The only reason to not do this is loosing your warranty.
At this moment I have root only in my phone (Galaxy S II) but I'm also thinking about rooting my TF300T
^^
Another good reason would be to overclock imo. I've seen threads on XDA where people are getting 1.5 or 1.6 from root/overclocking, which is +EV imo.
If you can follow directions, you should be ok. At some point, everyone roots for the first time. I had no clue about any of this either (and I'm still not the best, especially with adb commands on the comp) but once I rooted my first device, I found it to be pretty interesting and now I do it with anything I get.
I'd advise you to read the root threads thoroughly, you will see a lot of Q&A which will show you where people tend to get stuck in the process. You also might want to just use it as-is for a week or two and make sure you don't have any defects, since your warranty could be void, and you wouldn't want to find out about an unrelated problem later that you can't get fixed.
I'm extra hesitant because it sounds like the downgrade is more dangerous than anything else, and damn it, in every thread, they use so many technical terms that I don't understand...
Make sure the blob file is in there with ADB tools and *circus music playing in my head*
Haha, trust me, I know where you are coming from. Rooting may be a good place to start actually, if you truly screw it up I don't think they will be able to know that it's rooted and will still cover it (someone else can chime in here if I'm wrong). Unlocking, however, apparently sends them information and will void your warranty for sure.
The only way to learn it is to do it
Then again, if things are working well for you, leave it as-is, won't hurt anything to run it stock.
Yeah, if that's the case though, then I really wish I didn't unlock it... I thought it was like rooting but it did nothing for me except kill my warranty and OTA updates... so until I nut up enough to root it, I guess I'm stuck on .29. Not a bad update, mind you, but as they keep upping the tab, I'm going to be stuck in the stone age. That kind of sucks.
Can someone reply to this ASAP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1668173
Does following the steps in that post allow for a much easier root than I would have had to do less than a week ago? It sounds like it's a cinch to install CWM onto the tab (which, by the way, I know zip-**** about), and then after that, it says to "flash" a file to achieve root.
And on a side note, what the Bejesus does it mean to flash a file?
If you are unlocked, then yes that's the best way to go. Just to confirm, when you boot up, it says "bootloader unlocked" in the top left?
Flashing a file means to install the .zip from CWM.
In the top left, it says "Device UnLocked" or something like that. It's not near me at the moment, but yeah, it definitely says the word unlocked when I boot her up.
And thank you for the clarification
Sack up, and Root it!
It's FUN!
nordis,
I've flashed CWM onto my tab and I'm navigating it now, but I'm still unclear about how to root it.
The step says:
"After flashing CWM, you might also want root. It's easy, just flash the attached zip "
How! What?! Damn it! Can somebody detail what he means, or if I have to enter a specific command using my computerizer, what do I have to input? Because if I have to guess, I'll do it wrong, and this bastard will detonate in my arms.
Edit: I'm also in the process now of backing up my device. I don't know if rooting makes me wipe everything, so why the hell not. If I'm making a mistake doing this, then someone post back right away and I'll fling my tablet at the wall and hope for the best.
Edit: I did it! I'm rooted! I'm the smartest man alive! Nobody else needs to answer any questions I asked about this then
See, it ain't so bad. Pretty fun figuring this stuff out really. Now get to work rooting your phone and all your friends phones and tablets immediately
-T-mobile SGS2 Hercules
Tim 13 said:
I've flashed CWM onto my tab and I'm navigating it now, but I'm still unclear about how to root it.
The step says:
"After flashing CWM, you might also want root. It's easy, just flash the attached zip "
How! What?! Damn it! Can somebody detail what he means, or if I have to enter a specific command using my computerizer, what do I have to input? Because if I have to guess, I'll do it wrong, and this bastard will detonate in my arms.
Edit: I'm also in the process now of backing up my device. I don't know if rooting makes me wipe everything, so why the hell not. If I'm making a mistake doing this, then someone post back right away and I'll fling my tablet at the wall and hope for the best.
Edit: I did it! I'm rooted! I'm the smartest man alive! Nobody else needs to answer any questions I asked about this then
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Can anyone explain what flashing CWM is and how it's relevant to rooting? It has nothing to do with unlocking the tablet right?
Looking through the forums can be a little scary...mostly because of all the "phone stuck" and "PLEASE HELP" threads. My old phone was pretty much hard to brick, if something went wrong... just flashed back to stock (using ODIN). But the risk seems greater with the Hox. I can understand why people root and flash, obviously. But theres always that little voice saying, "If you f**k up, then you dont have a phone". How did you convince yourselves to take the risk?
roguly said:
Looking through the forums can be a little scary...mostly because of all the "phone stuck" and "PLEASE HELP" threads. My old phone was pretty much hard to brick, if something went wrong... just flashed back to stock (using ODIN). But the risk seems greater with the Hox. I can understand why people root and flash, obviously. But theres always that little voice saying, "If you f**k up, then you dont have a phone". How did you convince yourselves to take the risk?
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right now, there honestly is really little chance for you to f**k up the hox unless you do something really stupid like flash an international hox rom or... idk what. stick to the tried and true methods: use twrp, wipe before flashing, and stick to att hox roms. Worst case scenario, if you get into a situation where you cannot boot and recovery says sd card not mounted (like I did a few weeks ago), easy peasy. Boot into bootloader and fastboot, then oem fastboot relock and flash ruu. RUU right now is almost like a get-out-of-jail card for any soft brick you might have (unless you hard brick it or mess with hboot). tbh, I know that I bought this phone to be able to flash roms and mod. If I am scared of that little risk, then I should go back to my iPhone LOL
roguly said:
Looking through the forums can be a little scary...mostly because of all the "phone stuck" and "PLEASE HELP" threads. My old phone was pretty much hard to brick, if something went wrong... just flashed back to stock (using ODIN). But the risk seems greater with the Hox. I can understand why people root and flash, obviously. But theres always that little voice saying, "If you f**k up, then you dont have a phone". How did you convince yourselves to take the risk?
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Read and reread if you don't know what your doing. It's pretty hard to brick this phone. Just read the install instructions. The benefits out way the risks.
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When I joined I never flashed a rom before let alone root and unlock and soff.
I found this forum and read the helpful guides, read them again asked my questions before I proceeded and have never had a problem.
You'll find 99% of the time when someone posts a problem its because they didn't follow instructions.
roguly said:
Looking through the forums can be a little scary...mostly because of all the "phone stuck" and "PLEASE HELP" threads. My old phone was pretty much hard to brick, if something went wrong... just flashed back to stock (using ODIN). But the risk seems greater with the Hox. I can understand why people root and flash, obviously. But theres always that little voice saying, "If you f**k up, then you dont have a phone". How did you convince yourselves to take the risk?
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Ya know, this forum is a funny place. For each one of those help threads you see there is someone trying to intentionally brick their phone so they can send it back for replacement.
Personally I think they're scumbags for doing so and should have to live without a phone, but there's nothing you can really do about that.
I guess I convinced myself to start flashing stuff on my brand new $600 gadget because I had something else in line if something went wrong. I had my eye on this super neat Sony Experia Active phone, which is only $250 new (its waterproof and scratch proof. You should check it out!). If something goes wrong I can always get that. My financial situation this summer is pretty good (for once) so I can afford the risk.
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Flashing something on the HOX is safe compared to the thought of randomly losing your imei like on the sgs3. Just stay with stuff you find in these forums.
The steps seem complicated but the guides are pretty much step by step, you just have to be patient. There was a couple times where I thought my phone wasn't going to boot back up because it was taking too long, but I just gave it time. Flashing new ROMs every couple days is a habit for me, so there's no way I could own an Android device and not root. Right now the benefits may not be good enough for you to flash because we still lack source code, but to me the ROMs we have now are 100000000x better than the stock ROM. Yeah stock is fast, but these are much faster and have tweaks that really make the phone "you" and not something you can just pick up off the shelf.
roguly said:
Looking through the forums can be a little scary...mostly because of all the "phone stuck" and "PLEASE HELP" threads. My old phone was pretty much hard to brick, if something went wrong... just flashed back to stock (using ODIN). But the risk seems greater with the Hox. I can understand why people root and flash, obviously. But theres always that little voice saying, "If you f**k up, then you dont have a phone". How did you convince yourselves to take the risk?
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All those "phone stuck" and "PLEASE HELP" threads are posted by n00bs who jump in the deep end without learning to swim. Or even READ about swimming. If you follow the instructions for whatever you are trying to do to your HOX, be it root, unlock, flash a ROM, etc., there is very little risk of turning your phone into a paperweight. Even if something goes wrong, a RUU will fix your problem 99 times out of 100. There is always a risk, but the very minimal risk is well worth the boundless gains. You think the HOX is a bad ass device stock? It's 1000 times better rooted and ROM'd.
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All those "phone stuck" and "PLEASE HELP" threads are posted by n00bs who jump in the deep end without learning to swim. Or even READ about swimming. If you follow the instructions for whatever you are trying to do to your HOX, be it root, unlock, flash a ROM, etc., there is very little risk of turning your phone into a paperweight. Even if something goes wrong, a RUU will fix your problem 99 times out of 100. There is always a risk, but the very minimal risk is well worth the boundless gains. You think the HOX is a bad ass device stock? It's 1000 times better rooted and ROM'd.
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I agree, it gets much better with a rom and radio installed. Also the main bricks out there arent from everyday rom flashing. They are from s-off attempt testing and yes from not following instructions. Be careful with apps from playstore that install a recovery. Best to do that manually.
roguly said:
Looking through the forums can be a little scary...mostly because of all the "phone stuck" and "PLEASE HELP" threads. My old phone was pretty much hard to brick, if something went wrong... just flashed back to stock (using ODIN). But the risk seems greater with the Hox. I can understand why people root and flash, obviously. But theres always that little voice saying, "If you f**k up, then you dont have a phone". How did you convince yourselves to take the risk?
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Read before you flash and you'll be okay.
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Root & Rom is synonymous with Android. I can't imagine owning an android device and not rooting it. I normally give every device the prerequisite 2 weeks stock before I root. The hox I gave a month because I was loving it so much.
Eventually though I always root. Been doing since the days of the G1 when htc actually came pre installed with aosp lol.
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Everything has a risk to it. Change a light bulb in a lamp, and you run the risk of knocking the lamp over and breaking it. But nobody in their right mind is going to replace the whole lamp whenever it needs a new bulb, just because they are afraid of breaking it. Overly simplistic comparison, for sure. But you see what I'm getting at.
Follow instructions, read the warnings, and read up as much as you can on each step along the way, and you will most likely be fine. If things go wrong, flashing the RUU will fix a soft brick 99% of the tiime.
Read and read more. Watch a you tube tutorial maybe. I did both for days and got my hox, then I read more on here for 3 days before starting. Went slow, took me 2 hours to root, unlock bl, install recovery and finally a rom I liked and still liked.
Print out the directions if you have to. I had my iPad out open to the problems others had lol.
Is really not all that hard overall
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