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Given this relates directly to the Sensation and many of us wanting it unlocked, I felt this would be a good place to discuss this article. Please give it a read if you have not already:
Failure to Launch – HTC’s Bootloader Policy
All I have to say is this, I've REALLY been trying to be patient with HTC on this issue. But darn it, if they don't come through with an unlock for the Sensation that removes ALL THE LOCKS with NO STRINGS, I'm going to have to get something else.
Knowing there are multiple locks all over the Sensation, more than just the bootloader is really ticking me off big time .
Really I'll accept even if 3rd party developers unlock it all, but I don't want anything held back on my device.
My carrier is not getting the SGS II, but T-Mobile USA is getting the Samsung Hercules in September. So for me, that is the deadline. Either HTC or 3rd parties have the Sensation totally open by then or I'll buy Hercules.
Will wait and see
If HTC didnt change their policy at all, then WE ALL WILL WALK AWAY TO FREE UNLOCK BOOTLOADERS. If HTC is ready to loose Millions and Millions Money, then Let other compagny get our money and in return we receive FREEDOM.
An open bootloader is the primary reason I upgraded from my HD2 to a Galaxy SII instead of a Sensation. And it's paid off because there are already 2-3 custom roms for the Samsung and it was rooted weeks ago.
Bad decision by HTC, they have lost one customer in myself and I'm sure there are numerous others.
darnell i really dont see much sense in your thinking of course there is gonna be strings attached always been do you really think a company doesnt kno that someone bricked a phone and are trying to get a warranty from it... i couldnt care less i havent actually bricked any phones and if i did with my personal ill just go out and buy another one. but theres still work arounds to getting a new replacement for free or close to it
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darnell i really dont see much sense in your thinking of course there is gonna be strings attached always been do you really think a company doesnt kno that someone bricked a phone and are trying to get a warranty from it... i couldnt care less i havent actually bricked any phones and if i did with my personal ill just go out and buy another one. but theres still work arounds to getting a new replacement for free or close to it
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Seems Samsung and others have learned how to open things up. So I find my logic makes perfect sense.
Any thinking by HTC that normal users who have no clue about bootloders will buy phones will be in for a shock not only cause of the facebook/twitter thing but the fact that the bugs on the phones means people are sending them back. Radio drivers usually sort out most common bugs ie camera, gps, wifi/3g. If HTC think this is bad wait till Techradar and other popular sites magazines make a review. Any bugs will give the phone a poor score. I must add i do love my phone...just thinking of the bigger picture for everyone. Seeing as there are official htc roms knocking around some peeps on here would have hopefully sorted their phone problems without having to take theirs back or cancelling their contracts.
Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Seems Samsung and others have learned how to open things up. So I find my logic makes perfect sense.
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Dude go always go for the best deal you can get. Especially if you are tied to a contract.
I don't think they will be unlocked without strings, we have never had that. Don't forget all current HTC devices have been locked and have consequently been unlocked by many developers and not HTC. The big difference here is the way that they are locked, much more secure than previous.
We may get the ability to unlock and I hope we do but I don't think it will be official and thus not without strings.
Well I don't really care how we get an unlocked Sensation. If it comes via developers here I'll be just as happy. But given how HTC is trying to be difficult and then got my hopes up in talk about "reviewing" their policies. I'm at a point now where I'll take the best Sensation competitor once available on my carrier, if the Sensation is not unlocked by the time the competitor is available.
I'm not on contract. I have one of T-Mobile USA's older "no contract" plans, that is much cheaper monthly than their contract rates. So I have no problem paying full price for a device and given I'm going to pay a premium I don't want something that I can't fully customize. Since I have to pay in full outright, I want something I can do whatever I want with.
Even if HTC unlocks the Bootloader for the Sensation, T-Mobile will MAKE sure that the 4G version for their network is NOT. They do not want to deal with handset replacements due to idiots that don't know how to flash something on their phone. I"m sorry to say it brother cuz I'm in the same shoes as you, but you will never get an HTC unlocked boot loader so long as your on TMO USA.
You could, if you wanted to, switch to CrapT&T and get an SGSII. I think I read that it is the proper 3G bands for their network.
Either way, love that article!
setzer715 said:
Even if HTC unlocks the Bootloader for the Sensation, T-Mobile will MAKE sure that the 4G version for their network is NOT. They do not want to deal with handset replacements due to idiots that don't know how to flash something on their phone. I"m sorry to say it brother cuz I'm in the same shoes as you, but you will never get an HTC unlocked boot loader so long as your on TMO USA.
You could, if you wanted to, switch to CrapT&T and get an SGSII. I think I read that it is the proper 3G bands for their network.
Either way, love that article!
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Nexus One and the Nexus S, on TMO, both have..... fastboot oem unlock ... Granted the NS is a Samsung phone, but, the point still applies...
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Nexus One and the Nexus S, on TMO, both have..... fastboot oem unlock ... Granted the NS is a Samsung phone, but, the point still applies...
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Actually, that point doesn't apply as those phones are NOT sold or supported by T-Mobile. If warranty return is required you would NOT go through T-Mobile. T-Mobile does, however, offer support via a service rep for general issues, but not for returns/warranty issues. I don't remember when I got my Nexus One if you did warranty returns through Google or HTC. Either way, it was not T-Mobile.
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Nexus One and the Nexus S, on TMO, both have..... fastboot oem unlock ... Granted the NS is a Samsung phone, but, the point still applies...
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Yea and folks using the T-Mobile USA G2X already have it rooted and custom ROMs.
So the Sensation is setting the bar higher than others in terms of lock-down and being hard to crack.
If Samsung leaves it unlocked, I believe the Hercules will be sold that way by T-Mobile.
With the Sensation, I highly suspect the new "HTC Watch" service is part of the reason they've locked it down so much. Like with Google's new movie service and Blockbuster recently locking their app down from rooted devices. HTC may be catering to movie studios more than even carriers.
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Yea and folks using the T-Mobile USA G2X already have it rooted and custom ROMs.
So the Sensation is setting the bar higher than others in terms of lock-down and being hard to crack.
If Samsung leaves it unlocked, I believe the Hercules will be sold that way by T-Mobile.
With the Sensation, I highly suspect the new "HTC Watch" service is part of the reason they've locked it down so much. Like with Google's new movie service and Blockbuster recently locking their app down from rooted devices. HTC may be catering to movie studios more than even carriers.
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Good observation there... bt personally i dont really care about Watch since im not gonna use it, def not gonna rent a movie for 4 dollars for 24hrs i believe it is...y do that when i can just watch movies like ive always done thru my sd card...i guess the only thing im curious to see is how the qHD 16:9 ratio actually looks..
This just posted on facebook:
HTC "There has been overwhelmi ngly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
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Yea, that's great news.
If the Sensation gets fully opened up I'll get one.
We'll see once true US version is released.
Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Yea, that's great news.
If the Sensation gets fully opened up I'll get one.
We'll see once true US version is released.
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Well, as I've read it somewhere else on this forum, a few others on this forum were thinking: "I want to know if this also counts for shipped phones", so they had the guts to send Mr. Chou himself a e-mail, asking him if the sensation was going to be unlocked as well. His reply was that in the future, they will make sure the shipped phones also get a unlocked bootloader.(couldn't find the original post, but I'm quit sure the topictitle was something like: "Htc will no longer lock bootlead" or something down that line)
Why dont they just add a counter like sgs2 has. Although its easy to reset, maybe they can find a more permanent solution. Modders/hackers know that we void our warranty with custom roms, rooting etc.
In my time reading forums I can somewhat understand where htc is coming from. So many noobs including myself until I got educated, do stupid things to there devices. When we cant figure out how fix them, we/they lie to these companies and try to get new/refurb devices.
I dont think HTC and others should lock their bootloaders. I do think that we as owners of these devices should be able to do as we please. But we all should be able to deal with whatever consequences companies choose.
HTC spent the day with Paul on friday to show him the EVO 3d.
He asked them if it will be shipped with unlocked bootloader. Here is what he tweeted this morning:
"Of course, I asked HTC whether the phone was expected to ship with an unlocked bootloader and in truth, the answer was a little troubling - "The Evo 3D was in development before the open bootloader decision was made and as such we aren't sure as yet whether the device will ship initially with an unlocked bootloader or this will follow later". Not good enough HTC!"
Very disappointing indeed
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that's the key right there.
we will get it. (crosses fingers)
If Microsoft said that all future versions of Windows would come with a free option to edit the registry (ok so bad example) and then released Windows 8 without this feature purely because it was already in development - they would be thrown to the wolves.
I have no doubt we will see the unlocked bootloader for the Sensation and EVO3D, but Chou has already lied to his customers.
So very disappointed..I doubt i won't buy htc phones if it also comes with a locked bootloader.
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If this true, i just wait the new Xperia Duo, and if come before HTC unlock boot i will say goodbye HTC for ever...
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On the contrary I see that as good news for HTC Sensation.
HTC say they are still working on developing it and preparing all the policies and stuff, so it makes sense if it's still not fully ready for any device, even the EVO 3D.
Let's see when will that happen and how it will be rolled out.
Come on HTC, it's taking too long already!!!
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"we aren't sure as yet whether the device will ship initially with an unlocked bootloader or this will follow later"
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What's not good enough? The fact that HTC have said that the device will either ship with an unlocked bootloader or recieve an update at a later date? How did you interpret that any other way? Very misleading post. Sick of people saying "not good enough" "hurry up". Give them time! They have communicated through various official channels that both devices will recieve an unlocked bootloader one way or another.
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yourpassenger said:
What's not good enough? The fact that HTC have said that the device will either ship with an unlocked bootloader or recieve an update at a later date? How did you interpret that any other way? Very misleading post. Sick of people saying "not good enough" "hurry up". Give them time! They have communicated through various official channels that both devices will recieve an unlocked bootloader one way or another.
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The big issue is that they should already have it out. There is absolutely no reason that they can't modify HBOOT and release a RUU - probably would take them no more than an hour worth of work since they already have the keys and don't have to go through the hassle that we have been going through rooting their devices lately with goldcards and crap.
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The big issue is that they should already have it out. There is absolutely no reason that they can't modify HBOOT and release a RUU - probably would take them no more than an hour worth of work since they already have the keys and don't have to go through the hassle that we have been going through rooting their devices lately with goldcards and crap.
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perhaps it's because they are working on some optimization of the Sense 3.0 and release it with the unlock?
I hope...
Mainspring said:
perhaps it's because they are working on some optimization of the Sense 3.0 and release it with the unlock?
I hope...
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Wish in one hand, **** in the other...
HTC has a long history of pulling B/S - a perfect example was the lack of graphics drivers for the Imageon processor that was in the Mogul, Touch, and Touch Pro and the artificially-forced 30FPS on the EVO...
I'm losing faith in HTC altogether.
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The big issue is that they should already have it out. There is absolutely no reason that they can't modify HBOOT and release a RUU - probably would take them no more than an hour worth of work since they already have the keys and don't have to go through the hassle that we have been going through rooting their devices lately with goldcards and crap.
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Don't you think there's a little more work involved with rolling out an update for one of their flagship devices? Development and testing aside I would imagine there being a fair amount of legal wrangling between themselves and the various carrier in different countries. Just be patient, they have moved from a position of having locked to unlocked due to pressure from the community. For that I am thankful. Enough of the moaning and knee jerk hysteria.
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yourpassenger said:
Don't you think there's a little more work involved with rolling out an update for one of their flagship devices? Development and testing aside I would imagine there being a fair amount of legal wrangling between themselves and the various carrier in different countries. Just be patient, they have moved from a position of having locked to unlocked due to pressure from the community. For that I am thankful. Enough of the moaning and knee jerk hysteria.
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You really think that T-Mobile USA would object to an unlocked bootloader when their other flagship was the G2x that was by far the easiest phone to root that I've ever owned.
I understand the legal crap but they've had plenty of time to flesh out the bootloader unlock... they should have been starting on it before the device even launched since the decision was made before it launched to unlock devices going forward.
Whatever, I'll wait for it until I can't anymore and then I guess its back to the G2x and hoping and praying LG fixes it soon.
Electronic Punk said:
If Microsoft said that all future versions of Windows would come with a free option to edit the registry (ok so bad example) and then released Windows 8 without this feature purely because it was already in development - they would be thrown to the wolves.
I have no doubt we will see the unlocked bootloader for the Sensation and EVO3D, but Chou has already lied to his customers.
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What a terrible example.... How often does a new version of windows come out? Every few years.....
How often does an HTC phone come out? Every few weeks, or days sometimes... The Sensation and E3D had already been assembled and packaged by the time their policy about bootloaders changed. They said the phones will get an unlocked bootloader. I'm sure they will roll it out with some updates for this bug-plagued device. HTC has dozens of models to maintain and dozens more to create. Give them a damn second to get their ducks in a row.
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Hehehe....funny stuff.
Seems like this actually affects peoples day.... In a negative way.
A month for some people must be an agonizing event.... If it hasn't come in few months....then start to ask why.... Until then....enjoy life.
I have to say that I don't think it would be that hard for them to just release a unoock. But at same time it might be harder then we think.
I can confirm the Evo third-D has a locked boot loader. I have tested both the sensation and the third-D side by side.
I do have to say though, I think we (xda devs) will crack it long before HTC releases the official unlock.
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What a terrible example.... How often does a new version of windows come out? Every few years.....
How often does an HTC phone come out? Every few weeks, or days sometimes... The Sensation and E3D had already been assembled and packaged by the time their policy about bootloaders changed. They said the phones will get an unlocked bootloader. I'm sure they will roll it out with some updates for this bug-plagued device. HTC has dozens of models to maintain and dozens more to create. Give them a damn second to get their ducks in a row.
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Thats irrelevent tbh, its still a promised feature that isn't in the released product and I am going to be stuck with this phone for 2 years under contract.
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You really think that T-Mobile USA would object to an unlocked bootloader when their other flagship was the G2x that was by far the easiest phone to root that I've ever owned.
I understand the legal crap but they've had plenty of time to flesh out the bootloader unlock... they should have been starting on it before the device even launched since the decision was made before it launched to unlock devices going forward.
Whatever, I'll wait for it until I can't anymore and then I guess its back to the G2x and hoping and praying LG fixes it soon.
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No they wouldn't object but everything still has to be drawn up in formal contracts or amendments etc etc. This has to be coordinated in X number of countries with X number of carriers and suppliers, in other words a bit of a ballache.
The devices had effectively been launched. If they had decided to do this pre the OFFICIAL launch then it would have probably resulted in delays, definitely not an acceptable option for a company the size of htc.
They said they are working on it so let's just wait and see if they honour their promise of unlocked bootloaders. Everything I have read so far suggests that they will.
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No they wouldn't object but everything still has to be drawn up in formal contracts or amendments etc etc. This has to be coordinated in X number of countries with X number of carriers and suppliers, in other words a bit of a ballache.
The devices had effectively been launched. If they had decided to do this pre the OFFICIAL launch then it would have probably resulted in delays, definitely not an acceptable option for a company the size of htc.
They said they are working on it so let's just wait and see if they honour their promise of unlocked bootloaders. Everything I have read so far suggests that they will.
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Well said....
Hasn't it only been like a month since the CEO made the statement?
That's not very long at all.....
Electronic Punk said:
Thats irrelevent tbh, its still a promised feature that isn't in the released product and I am going to be stuck with this phone for 2 years under contract.
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What could be more relevant??? If you had your way and this phone was released with an unlocked BL, none of us would have a Sensation right now, as they'd be busy opening each individual package, getting into the phone, unlocking the BL, repackaging, resealing, returning to the stores, then releasing. Thank goodness more sound minds than a few here are in charge at HTC.
Have our devices a month with a locked bootloader before we get the unlock, or wait another month without the phone to see it released with the bootloader already unlocked? hmmmm...
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I think people are forgetting how many times HTC promised to release drivers for their lag-plagued Mogul, Touch, Touch Pro, and the GSM variants of said devices - to never see it actually come to fruition.
HTC just likes to say things to shut people up.
I decided to also make this post a poll. Will you return your HTC Sensation?
For everyone that is frustrated with the bootloader, you may want to follow suit. Don't hang onto this phone past your return policy time if you will be unhappy if it's not unlocked.
HTC haven't been able to definitively say "Yes we are unlocking the bootloader for the HTC Sensation." It seems all articles and re-posts that claim this will happen are quoting vague references and canned responses. I personally emailed them (as have many) to ask if it will be unlocked and all responses are (paraphrased) "We cannot say if it will be, but keep watching our media channels - facebook, twitter, etc". I went as far as trying to escalate to corporate (politely) and they were still unable to confirm if the HTC Sensation would or would not be unlocked.
So far zero confirmation. That's also zero confirmation on the reverse - they haven't definitively said they won't either. Grid lock.
What *has* been confirmed is that future devices will sport an unlocked bootloader. I'm willing to wait for this! This does not include the HTC Sensation or recent EVO.
I am returning my HTC Sensation to the store with 1 week left on my 30 day return policy. If they manage to deliver an unlocked bootloader between now and when the next device comes out I will gladly re-purchase the phone as the hardware and experience have been fantastic. Unfortunately being a fellow tweaker, I too want the ability to use custom roms and especially not be locked to a manufacturer's release schedule for Android updates. I went through too many let downs using a locked Motorola Android phone and will no longer be supporting locked devices full stop. Android is meant to help us be free of certain restrictions imposed by other operating systems and carriers.
I'm willing to wait for a non-bootloader locked phone with killer specs.
Sadly returning the device for now. Feel free to let us all know if you will also be, or have already returned your phone in hopeful anticipation of a completely open device.
Cheers all!
As I have said..You all are misinformed. As it was told to me was the bootloader unlocking tool will be a part of the htc dev tools site that will be launching soon. I suggest you relax, keep your phone and see how it goes. Not that serious to start a revolution over. Especially when it can be coming any day now.
No problems. I can handle the flames, but also understand that people are sick of this. We can close this thread.
holding onto the phone may not be viable if there is fear that we won't be getting bootloaders unlocked. I have a limited time frame for when I can return this phone...
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Either a MOD is going to close this or you are about to get flamed. #ImJustSaying
The mods say they don't want anymore of these types of threads in here as there are plenty already.
As I have said..You all are misinformed. As it was told to me was the bootloader unlocking tool will be a part of the htc dev tools site that will be launching soon. I suggest you relax, keep your phone and see how it goes. Not that serious to start a revolution over. Especially when it can be coming any day now.
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On a side note, would you mind pointing me to the thread about the dev tools you mentioned?
Hell no I'm not returning this phone its amazing! HTC is a huge international corporation, you're seriously surprised about getting canned responses?
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On a side note, would you mind pointing me to the thread about the dev tools you mentioned?
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I am also in the late stages of deciding to return the Sensation. It is a wonderful phone but many issues and no real answer about unlocking the bootloader(actual and factual info about when -where- and how.)and no word about updates and whether or not they will fix all of the issues. I am only speaking for me but I find it increasingly harder to keep and support a device that has numerous documented issues with no announced plan to fix them from HTC and nothing about unlocking the bootloader, except vague promises.. I also would like the link to the thread about dev tools.
If you're that sad that a locked bootloader is going to make you return your phone then you need to get out more. Get over it and just wait
No it's a great phone and works, with a few quirks, great. We already have received an update after one month so in 2-3 months we will receive the next update which will update the phone to a bug free heaven.
Besides, it's already possible to disable apps so I'm going to install Launcher Pro as soon as I'm bored with Sense. Have used Sense for 2 years on my Hero so I will survive.
This phone gonna be out g2x here i come .
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i kept it, but i am dissatisfied with it for other reasons which i will post in my " could htc have done more with the sensation" thread.
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On a side note, would you mind pointing me to the thread about the dev tools you mentioned?
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Here...
http://www.htcdev.com/
And here...
http://developer.htc.com/
jkub said:
I decided to also make this post a poll. Will you return your HTC Sensation?
For everyone that is frustrated with the bootloader, you may want to follow suit. Don't hang onto this phone past your return policy time if you will be unhappy if it's not unlocked.
HTC haven't been able to definitively say "Yes we are unlocking the bootloader for the HTC Sensation." It seems all articles and re-posts that claim this will happen are quoting vague references and canned responses. I personally emailed them (as have many) to ask if it will be unlocked and all responses are (paraphrased) "We cannot say if it will be, but keep watching our media channels - facebook, twitter, etc". I went as far as trying to escalate to corporate (politely) and they were still unable to confirm if the HTC Sensation would or would not be unlocked.
So far zero confirmation. That's also zero confirmation on the reverse - they haven't definitively said they won't either. Grid lock.
What *has* been confirmed is that future devices will sport an unlocked bootloader. I'm willing to wait for this! This does not include the HTC Sensation or recent EVO.
I am returning my HTC Sensation to the store with 1 week left on my 30 day return policy. If they manage to deliver an unlocked bootloader between now and when the next device comes out I will gladly re-purchase the phone as the hardware and experience have been fantastic. Unfortunately being a fellow tweaker, I too want the ability to use custom roms and especially not be locked to a manufacturer's release schedule for Android updates. I went through too many let downs using a locked Motorola Android phone and will no longer be supporting locked devices full stop. Android is meant to help us be free of certain restrictions imposed by other operating systems and carriers.
I'm willing to wait for a non-bootloader locked phone with killer specs.
Sadly returning the device for now. Feel free to let us all know if you will also be, or have already returned your phone in hopeful anticipation of a completely open device.
Cheers all!
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You knew this phone had a locked bootloader when you bought it. It's funny how everyone is *****ing about it when they damn well knew it was locked. And what? Since HTC didnt release the unlocked bootloader a few weeks after the phone launches that's too long? Do I want my bootloader unlocked? HELL YEAH! Am I going to sit here and ***** and moan about it because HTC hasnt unlocked it yet? NO, because I knew I was buying a phone with a locked bootloader when I bought it. HTC Has said they will unlock the bootloader, they just didnt give an exact date as to when it would be unlocked. Even if HTC changes their minds, someone will get it unlocked eventually. Just look at the G2! That's never been officially unlocked..
I'm really tired of seeing all these posts with people *****ing about the bootloader.. YOU KNEW THIS WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PHONE.. so 1. Dont buy the effing phone until it's unlocked or 2. stop *****ing that it's locked and just be patient!!! It's quite SIMPLE..
People knew it was locked but we also had the impression it would get unlocked that's the main reason people bought it. From what we hear htc aint unlocking **** , point blank they could of just told people its not going to be unlocked on Facebook and just ended it there instead of keeping hope alive. I still can live with it being locked cause i still have my ns and to think i was gonna sell it.
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I would love for it to be unlocked, but I knew it wasn't when I bought it; and I've managed to work around it anyways..so I'm good.
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I have to vote no because that other dual core from tmobile has an older android version and less RAM. And besides-the screen on my HTC HD2 is so unrelieable right now I gave it to my 3yr old son to play angry birds with
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People knew it was locked but we also had the impression it would get unlocked that's the main reason people bought it. From what we hear htc aint unlocking **** , point blank they could of just told people its not going to be unlocked on Facebook and just ended it there instead of keeping hope alive. I still can live with it being locked cause i still have my ns and to think i was gonna sell it.
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OMG! really? what you hear must be different from what the rest of us hear, because judging on what I read in the forums they tell everyone the same thing. They are committed to what they said and they are working on getting it going. The phone hasnt even been out for a full month yet and so many of you are crying foul on HTC's part. When I spoke to someone there, they said yes they did get a memo about informing them about the new policy. She told me the newer phones (released in late summer/early fall) will come shipped with unlocked bootloaders and they were working on an update for both the sensation and evo3d(which at the time I spoke to her wasnt even released yet). She told me the techs think it's going to be a nightmare for them because of all the noobs bricking their devices. I'm sure they already have S-off ready but right now they are trying to figure out the best way to implement it. Just because they didnt unlock it in the first 4 weeks of release doesnt mean they lied! People need to have patience. I mean they have to figure out how they are going to do it and also brace themselves and be ready for tons of noobs calling in saying they ****ed up their device. There is more to it than "hey it's ready push it out"
For example, will it be a OTA update? I think they will try to not make it so easy so every tom **** and harry could **** up their phone. Will we have to call in and request it special? will we have to send our devices into HTC and have them unlock it for us? I'm sure the logistics are what they are working on now. But how you get they are lying from all the info people have gotten is amazing. They keep saying they are standing behind it, and that there will be a update of some kind to unlock it. The only thing they havent told us is WHEN. And if they did give us a date and then couldnt make the deadline then you would be saying the same ****, that they lied and would prob be even more pissed off. I honestly dont see it happening until late aug or sept. But I'm sure by then one of us devs will break it or get a leaked Hboot
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I have to vote no because that other dual core from tmobile has an older android version and less RAM. And besides-the screen on my HTC HD2 is so unrelieable right now I gave it to my 3yr old son to play angry birds with
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I guess you are referring to the G2x? It does have Froyo stock but I hear CM7 got a lot more stable for it(I'm going to try it again). I run Faux's GB rom on my G2x. and it's pretty stable for me.
The ram issue? Sure the G2x has only 512 but I NEVER had a time when I didnt have at least 90-100mb of free ram and that's when everything I use is open and running in the background. Someone once said if you have that much available ram at all times even when you open everything up then it's pretty much wasted ram. When I got the G2x I came from the MT4G and I was REALLY concerned about having 768 and having to go to 512. But Cyanogen himself when he got the g2x said the 512 of ram was perfectly fine and there were no issues with it having only 512. When I read that I felt better about making the switch. And yes it does have less ram than the sensation but at this point and time my G2x blows my sensation out of the water speed and performance wise. I love my sensation and cant wait until we can see what this thing can really do
You guys are nitpicking about something you already knew about. So what does that make u?
I still got the phone knowing what I was getting. I came from the g2x and the nexus s and I don't regret getting rid of both.
The bootloader will be unlocked. We have root now and overclock so take that and have fun with it. Stop being impatient. This isn't the Atrix I'm sure it won't take that long lol.
If u want it that bad....start developing the unlock yourself or sit down and Stfu.
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You guys are nitpicking about something you already knew about. So what does that make u?
I still got the phone knowing what I was getting. I came from the g2x and the nexus s and I don't regret getting rid of both.
The bootloader will be unlocked. We have root now and overclock so take that and have fun with it. Stop being impatient. This isn't the Atrix I'm sure it won't take that long lol.
If u want it that bad....start developing the unlock yourself or sit down and Stfu.
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Exactly! If the XDA app had a thanks button I'd be hitting it right now
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We need to ask them to add one lol.
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Why isn't there more angst about T-Mobile US releasing our version of the Sensation update?
Forums for other phones I've had would be exploding long before now that TMO is awful in all sorts of ways.
Has everyone just given up? Any idea of our prospects? Or have I missed something obvious?
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Why isn't there more angst about T-Mobile US releasing our version of the Sensation update?
Forums for other phones I've had would be exploding long before now that TMO is awful in all sorts of ways.
Has everyone just given up? Any idea of our prospects? Or have I missed something obvious?
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Personally I don't want to see ANY TMOUS OTA. I doubt it would give us S-OFF which is want I want to see first. I think most of us are waiting on developer S-OFF and then developer ROMs/kernels/radios and could care less about carrier OTA.
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Personally I don't want to see ANY TMOUS OTA. I doubt it would give us S-OFF which is want I want to see first. I think most of us are waiting on developer S-OFF and then developer ROMs/kernels/radios and could care less about carrier OTA.
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an OTA could ruin your chances at using a developer S-off method
I think it's awesome that there aren't seeing more threads about "when are we gonna get our update in the us....waaaahhhh"
It does nothing for us actually getting one, and as the above posters stated, it would probably leave us worse off. Although, those threads we aren't seeing, have pretty much been replaced by "s-off threads" so there's really been npthing gained
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Personally I don't want to see ANY TMOUS OTA. I doubt it would give us S-OFF which is want I want to see first. I think most of us are waiting on developer S-OFF and then developer ROMs/kernels/radios and could care less about carrier OTA.
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Yeah, I'm not in that group. I don't need another hobby. Besides, HTC is unlocking the phone soon. But I get your point, which I'd overlooked, that most here are only waiting on the devs, not HTC or TMO. Thanks.
I agree... I just want S-off .... no tmobile ota is needed for me.
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I think it's awesome that there aren't seeing more threads about "when are we gonna get our update in the us....waaaahhhh"
It does nothing for us actually getting one, and as the above posters stated, it would probably leave us worse off. Although, those threads we aren't seeing, have pretty much been replaced by "s-off threads" so there's really been npthing gained
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Actually the "outrage" did prompt TMO to push out a Vibrant Froyo update sooner, and they said they would do better. So I think posting can have an impact, but I see why it's not a high priority around here at this point.
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I think it's awesome that there aren't seeing more threads about "when are we gonna get our update in the us....waaaahhhh"
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Agreed. And us veterans know we wouldn't take the update anyway.
I'll take an update for bug fixes and speed improvements in a heartbeat. I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I don't want any of it. If we had root and s-off then my song would be a little different, but the sad truth is that we don't. Plus, as I've said before this device is pretty awesome for a non-rooted device. Just make sense run a little snappier like the evo3d and I'm a happy panda.
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I'll take an update for bug fixes and speed improvements in a heartbeat. I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I don't want any of it. If we had root and s-off then my song would be a little different, but the sad truth is that we don't. Plus, as I've said before this device is pretty awesome for a non-rooted device. Just make sense run a little snappier like the evo3d and I'm a happy panda.
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It's not that we wouldn't want bug fixes, it's that there have been a number of other devices that lost their root and s-off exploits from OTAs. For me, it's just not worth the risk when those bug fixes will be available later via custom ROMs.
in my past experience t-mobile is notoriously bad with ota's ( my previouly phones were the g1 and the mytouch 3g and, had a vibrant for like a month then solid it. ) so i pretty much given up ota with tmobile
Because not everyone likes to whine, and almost everyone doesn't like seeing other people whine.
I'm hoping if there is an OTA, it will enable video-chat on gtalk, the nexus S has this and I thought all gingerbread devices should be able to.
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in my past experience t-mobile is notoriously bad with ota's ( my previouly phones were the g1 and the mytouch 3g and, had a vibrant for like a month then solid it. ) so i pretty much given up ota with tmobile
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Might be true. I'm new to tmo, but from what I've read and seen, they're not half as bad as att. They sucked when it change to updates, which weren't even ota, had to dl a program and update via home pc.
I couldn't care less. Don't need an OTA. Phone is solid stock. I just want S-Off.
Solid stock? Only of you dont have touchscreen issues. And i cant believe all of you guys dont have it... My 5th sensation will be here tomorrow, 1st 4 had the touchscreen issue. An OTA for touchscreen issues is very very very important. This phone has a ton of bugs.. my experience is the dev community doesn't normally fix the type of issues the sensation has. Who the ef cares if they have an s-off phone if you have to press 14 times for a 7 digit number.. Or cant scroll contacts or home screens with out opening whatever you touch 1st during the swipe. Completely unacceptable. I guess thats why they dont mind replacing my phone every week.... Since thats how long it normally takes for the touchscreen to ef up. I didnt pay etf at sprint to leave the evo for a supposedly way better phone that is slower than the evo once the touchscreen takes a poop. S-off is coming, we know this, HTC says so. Bug fixes are more important to me, we need an OTA like last month!
I'm waiting on an XDA OTA update to really fix this bad boy
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I'm hoping if there is an OTA, it will enable video-chat on gtalk, the nexus S has this and I thought all gingerbread devices should be able to.
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Good luck with that LOL the new MyTouch 4G Slide has 2.3.4 and still isn't compatible with gtalk video... so blah
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Solid stock? Only of you dont have touchscreen issues. And i cant believe all of you guys dont have it... My 5th sensation will be here tomorrow, 1st 4 had the touchscreen issue. An OTA for touchscreen issues is very very very important. This phone has a ton of bugs.. my experience is the dev community doesn't normally fix the type of issues the sensation has. Who the ef cares if they have an s-off phone if you have to press 14 times for a 7 digit number.. Or cant scroll contacts or home screens with out opening whatever you touch 1st during the swipe. Completely unacceptable. I guess thats why they dont mind replacing my phone every week.... Since thats how long it normally takes for the touchscreen to ef up. I didnt pay etf at sprint to leave the evo for a supposedly way better phone that is slower than the evo once the touchscreen takes a poop. S-off is coming, we know this, HTC says so. Bug fixes are more important to me, we need an OTA like last month!
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Still don't understand these touchscreen issues. I've had mine since 2 days after launch and zero problems. I wish I could see it first hand.
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Still don't understand these touchscreen issues. I've had mine since 2 days after launch and zero problems. I wish I could see it first hand.
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Also had mine since launch with no touchscreen issues.
i happened to find this while just looking online although it seems like there are arguments against it and for it accross the table... im neutral as id much rather have an unlocked bootloader i am simply just posting this so everyone can see it and maybe share something to prove or disprove
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/07/16/verizon-wont-unlock-galaxy-s-iii-bootloader/
this says they wont release an update to unlock the s3
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this says they wont release an update to unlock the s3
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Verizon never made any sort of promise that they would unlock the bootloader. The rumor got started a month ago from transcripts of chats with ill-informed customer service reps who didn't know a bootloader from a barnacle. They chose to lock it, and they will not willingly reverse that decision. When our bootloader gets unlocked, it will be through the fine efforts of communities like this one. Depending on the type of exploit, I might not be surprised if Verizon then pushes an update to relock the bootloader, as has happened with some HTC phones in the past.
In general, never take the word of a CSR without a fair bit of skepticism, especially if it conflicts with VZW's official statements.
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Verizon never made any sort of promise that they would unlock the bootloader. The rumor got started a month ago from transcripts of chats with ill-informed customer service reps who didn't know a bootloader from a barnacle. They chose to lock it, and they will not willingly reverse that decision. When our bootloader gets unlocked, it will be through the fine efforts of communities like this one. Depending on the type of exploit, I might not be surprised if Verizon then pushes an update to relock the bootloader, as has happened with some HTC phones in the past.
In general, never take the word of a CSR without a fair bit of skepticism, especially if it conflicts with VZW's official statements.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but once and if the bootloader is unlocked we can just stay on that bootloader (unlocked) even if verizon does try to re-lock it correct? In a sense similar to s-off
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Correct me if I'm wrong but once and if the bootloader is unlocked we can just stay on that bootloader (unlocked) even if verizon does try to re-lock it correct? In a sense similar to s-off
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IMO - Its just safe practace not to take any OTA updates until after the Devs got them fixed. Verizon could patch their own bootloader if they needed to - via an OTA. So, yes, you could stay unlocked (once it is unlocked anyway), so long as you stay away from OTAs .
i have a thunderbolt and in 9 days when i have an upgrade available on my account will be getting the s3. on my thunderbolt after i rooted i never even had to block updates i just straight up never got ota updates. is there a setting in the s3 that ill need to check or uncheck a box to not receive them after i root?
why are so many folks concerned about ota updates? The day one roots his/her phone OTA should be forgotten. The devs here will have all the updates we can possibly achieve and in alot more timely fashion.
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why are so many folks concerned about ota updates? The day one roots his/her phone OTA should be forgotten. The devs here will have all the updates we can possibly achieve and in alot more timely fashion.
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**** yeah!
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if you actually took the time to read my post you would have noticed that i asked if there is a way to NOT RECEIVE OTA UPDATES as opposed to asking about receiving them. i will post that question in q and a when i get the phone thanks anyways
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if you actually took the time to read my post you would have noticed that i asked if there is a way to NOT RECEIVE OTA UPDATES as opposed to asking about receiving them. i will post that question in q and a when i get the phone thanks anyways
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I did read your post...my apologies since that post was not 100% directed towards you...I kind of hijacked your thread posting that for others to read lol. There has been 100 threads on here about "will I lose ota if I root".
A big cellphone company lied to us? It can't be. Haha sorry for the sarcasm but the way this phone has been going I think an unlock will come through the developers over the big companies. That means we'll have to pay up on that bounty.
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ya my bad too i didnt mean to be a **** about it. i had some ahole customer i dont like helping come up today. fixing their computers and network just makes about anything else sound like more fun. im just stoked to get the phone soon but i also am getting it knowing about having a locked bootloader and the possibility of all those little quirks and issues that some people have and some dont. On my thunderbolt i rooted it not long after i got it and have flashed roms and kernels and radios etc until i find one i really like at the time. I'm figuring once the dev. edition comes out people will get it and verizon will then do the same thing on the next big deal phone that comes out in however many months.
I swear at this point, they're just sitting back in their chairs and cackling madly. Biggest trolls ever.
I think the "ota" talk only references people who are stock and take ota, get said-bootloader "fixed" by vzw, then want to mod afterwards. Then a new/different method will have to be used, whether it be Odin/rollback/whatever is come up with.
People already unlocked and rooted will be fine.
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I can't say i'm terribly surprised, Verizon seems content to violate whatever they want for their benefit. Just need to put the pressure to them.
I am not even concerned about the boot loader anymore. You can flash kernels with kexec cwm(6010), Odin new modems and the roms that synergy, bean and Nos are producing are just fantastic. Developers will find a way and there are some great ones on the SG3.
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Rather doubt it
Doubt verizon will unlock the bootloader
anytime soon. For now we are left to
root use custom stock roms with some
themes or leave Verizon.
Cheers,
INC > TB > S3
azbobs said:
For now we are left to
root use custom stock roms with some
themes or leave Verizon.
Cheers,
INC > TB > S3
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This is simply not true...there is plenty of aosp dev going on! we have 4 cm10 roms, 1 aokp jb rom, 1 paranoidandroid rom...the bugs these roms do have are not related to the locked bootloader. Its the same issues across multiple devices. 5min of research would of yielded these results...
Verizon is NEVER going to unlock the bootloader. Ever. You can quote me on that.
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This is simply not true...there is plenty of aosp dev going on! we have 4 cm10 roms, 1 aokp jb rom, 1 paranoidandroid rom...the bugs these roms do have are not related to the locked bootloader. Its the same issues across multiple devices. 5min of research would of yielded these results...
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Ya and they all break your phone and wipe out vital information like imei and/or permanently break data.
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It's the Big Red SideShow starring Mr. Smoke & Mirror's Himself Lowell McAdams.
Verizon can burn in hell. I
Off topic, but is the volume really this quiet on this phone? I came from the OG like 2 weeks ago and it was literally double the decibels that this thing is putting out. I've heard about the volume+ app but is that the only way to increase volume? I'm still stock but plan on rooting n roming soon, perhaps one of them contains that dsp manager that cm7 base used to include?
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