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Is someone trying to root this thing?

If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
EDIT: Okay, a lot of you love this device, I am just saying that this may be another reason why I would return the device, I have more things I dislike about this device besides not having a root. So for anyone telling me to return it already, sure I just might, maybe because I have more other reasons.
About the Nexus two, I am just saying that any other device might have some things that I like more. I am simply asking if someone is working on it.
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Smokexz said:
If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
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Be patient. The devs are working on rooting TWO 4G phones (this and the G2). I'm in the market for a new Android device myself and I'm on the fence until one of these gets rooted or until the N2 comes out.

Some devices are rooted before they are even on the market, I think I just might return this device if the Nexus 2 is real
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This phone is locked down the same way the G2 is. When devs figure out permanent root on the G2, we will have it too. It ain't gonna be by Monday though. You might as well return your phone today. :rollseyes:

Damn OP, you really need to chill! Not all phones are the same, and not all get rooted right when they come out.
Yes, it sucks that we're dealing with a new chip, and it's gonna take time to crack, but that's the way it is. I assure you that we have some of the best Dev's working really hard to get this going.
You demanding to have root by Monday or you'll return the phone only makes you look like a fool! Hate to say it, but we're not going to see root for weeks, or even months for matter.
All I gotta say now is... walk your sorry ass back to T-Mobile, and exchange the phone for 2 tin cans, and a long ass string.

I hope you go return it and realize how silly you are for doing such a thing.
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Smokexz said:
If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
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Nexus 2 Launch Plagued by Hardware Issues
http://bit.ly/be8g6s
I hope this link helps you with your decision.

wow it amazes me how you can give a deadline... how are you helping to gain root access? what have you contributed? or are you just waiting around for other people to do all the work so you can just flash a rom :/
Also to be clear I dont understand how you can say you hate being "locked down"... say you did get root and flashed a rom then aren't you just locked down in a different way? (now having anything that dev personally likes on your phone, instead of what the htc dev's like)
sorry for the little rant it just drives me nuts how everyone seems to want things done for them around here these days...

Smokexz said:
If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
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Just because it's a new Nexus doesn't mean it's going to be as good, or better than Nexus One. And just because previous Samsung phones were root-able, doesn't mean this one is going to be as well.
If it's like the rest of Galaxy S phones, then go ahead and knock yourself out. Make sure you enjoy your functional GPS until Monday though.

I was just gonna say the same thing... from what I have read the N2 is basically a Vanilla Galaxy S phone... the major hardware issuing plaguing the announcement is most likely due to GPS hardware issues.
hammondnav said:
Just because it's a new Nexus doesn't mean it's going to be as good, or better than Nexus One. And just because previous Samsung phones were root-able, doesn't mean this one is going to be as well.
If it's like the rest of Galaxy S phones, then go ahead and knock yourself out. Make sure you enjoy your functional GPS until Monday though.
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Do us all a favor and return it

I will give it a chance sure, but I an just so tired of temp root
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What exactly are you doing that you can't live without root?
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With the updated visionary app that starts on boot it works like a permanent root. I'm sure there are some restrictions but I am using it rooted for setcpu and have not had one issue with this yet. Granted I don't use the terminal to transfer things though.
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Haha wow iz it your time of month? Watch the nexus 2 be locked down as well
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bubonik said:
What exactly are you doing that you can't live without root?
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I just like to explore what my device can do, I love having the option to install this little fix or this ROM. It's freedom what I like... I understand everyone loved the device, I have my own reasoning, I came from a Galaxy S, I had no complaints other than 2.2 taking more than forever to come.
Most of you are insulting me rather than thinking if I have different reasons, I don't just simply dislike the device because it has no root, I have other reasons. You all may enjoy the device however I could probably name a couple of things that just make me dislike the device, mainly that Genius button.
Continue to tell me I should return my phone etc etc, however if it is not rootable more reason for me to return the thing and get another device.
I don't know if there is a Nexus 2, I don't know if it will be rootable, but as of now if it is real, I might get it.

I have a vibrant, and if Samsung is making the Nexus 2....I wouldn't dream of owning it. Horrible support and empty promises. Can anyone say Behold 2?
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i heard there is no nexus 2 that there is a phone people kept saying it might be the nexus 2 but its not. plus the phone i saw was only for verizon so it wont come out for tmobile but now i cant find the site i was reading up on.

Smokexz said:
If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
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dude why do u need it to be rooted anyways? this phone is badass with out rooting it, u cant overclock it yet so for me there is no point until they first off can get it rooted and 2 if they can overclock it like the g2 and vibrant. but i can wait im sure they will figure it out. come on now they managed to get the hd2 running android 2.2 on a phone that doesnt even have android period, so im sure they will figure it out. i would rather them take there time then rush it and mess something up.

Smokexz said:
I just like to explore what my device can do, I love having the option to install this little fix or this ROM. It's freedom what I like... I understand everyone loved the device, I have my own reasoning, I came from a Galaxy S, I had no complaints other than 2.2 taking more than forever to come.
Most of you are insulting me rather than thinking if I have different reasons, I don't just simply dislike the device because it has no root, I have other reasons. You all may enjoy the device however I could probably name a couple of things that just make me dislike the device, mainly that Genius button.
Continue to tell me I should return my phone etc etc, however if it is not rootable more reason for me to return the thing and get another device.
I don't know if there is a Nexus 2, I don't know if it will be rootable, but as of now if it is real, I might get it.
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First and foremost, if you have other reasons for ditching the new mytouch, voice them. You can't just post a new thread demanding root OR ELSE. It makes you look like a major d-bag. However, I do agree with you. It's frustrating that it can't be rooted just yet, and there a bunch of other things I don't like, mainly the genius button, but I'm not going to get rid of it for that reason. That's retarded. You can't buy an unreleased phone and expect it to be rooted immediately. Devs put countless hours into making these things possible, and the rudest thing you can do is be an ungrateful snot by giving the developer community an ultimatum. We, as a community, DO NOT CARE which phone you have. If you want to get rid of it, go for it. One less whiner.
As far as root access is concerned, I'm fairly confident that the g2 and mytouch are close enough in hardware and mechanism that with one, will come the other. And as of this writing, the g2 has a bigger following. (and more patient people)
For me, root means removing bloatware, and cleaning up the stock rom. It looks good enough as is, and for now, I don't see much reason to change it. I'll do some experimenting with visual changes in the framework, but that'll probably be the extent of it. Did anybody else here miss the HTC dialer? I sure did!!!(though I'm not totally sure I like the way this espresso one works...)
Edit: if google chooses samsung as their odm for a follow-up nexus device then they're morons. Touchwiz sucks, samsung support sucks, samsung bugfixes suck, hardware planning sucks.
Reasoning: Touchwiz is annoying and the interface lacks a professional appearance...needs less form, more function! - Samsung is useless if you have a problem. USELESS. Kies..oden??? Really? - Everybody take a quick second and look up a picture of the galaxy s(at least the t-mobile version). Do you see a status led? No, you don't. Why? There isn't one. At all. You need to turn your phone on to see if there is an email, or a text, or a missed call. How about the epic4G...samsung made a desktop dock. Sweet right? No. Place the phone in it and it's resting on the volume keys. WTF? I'm sure an led wouldn't have killed samsung in production costs, and designing a dock that presses keys is a huge oversight, and should have been noticed by quality control immediately. It's an easy fix. I can't stand behind a company that puts out such half-finished products. Samsung: please complete the development process before you release your products to consumers. I'd rather wait an extra month and have something fully functional.
Summary: I've had a galaxy S and an epic 4g. Both of them had glaring issues, all of which were swept under the rug by samsung. Generally by a "updates and bugfixes are coming soon" type of response. Personally, that's just a terrible thing to do to consumers. Nothing brings repeat business more than a product that 'just works' right out of the box.
Sorry this was so long-winded...I'm tired and not thinking straight

The End of an Era?

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...-the-de/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
The Thunderbolt apparently was difficult to root. I'm not a root expert but according to the article, the impression is that HTC will begin not being so developer friendly.
Thoughts?
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I don't understand why these manufacturers, at the very least, can't treat their phones like the Nexus line: Ship with a locked bootloader, and give us an option to unlock it ourselves, and make it one-way. If they choose not to repair rooted devices, fine. But if I'm paying for the phone, I OWN it. I should be able to run the ROMS, kernels, and apps I want.

Product F(RED) said:
I don't understand why these manufacturers, at the very least, can't treat their phones like the Nexus line: Ship with a locked bootloader, and give us an option to unlock it ourselves, and make it one-way. If they choose not to repair rooted devices, fine. But if I'm paying for the phone, I OWN it. I should be able to run the ROMS, kernels, and apps I want.
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Man I totally agree. I wish all Androids were treated like the Nexus line.
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Because look at it this way. The people that like to fiddle with these things (everyone on this site) will be the majority of people who decide to root. We know what we do will void warranties and we know that, unless it's there's really really serious issue, we can fix these things ourselves. Besides, by giving us these bootloaders that can be unlocked and relocked, these manufacturers are actually screwing themselves MORE. HTC devices have always had bootloader security (NAND Lock). When you root, you can turn it off (aka S-OFF), but you can also turn it back on (S-ON) and then send the device in for repair or replacement. With the Nexus line, once the device is NAND unlocked, you can't re-lock it. I really don't understand the mentality behind the people who decide to lock things down.

So how long until HTC becomes Motorola?
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Just wait, Some of us will go out and mess Verizon up by rooting overwriting their signed protection and do it just to prove they can't stop a dev or modder, all the companies try but none to date have succeeded, BUT it sucks that HTC is going down this line.

I think that they designed the system so that the good filers can relock it and bring it for warranty. If they wanted to make it so hard they could make them unrootable
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Product F(RED) said:
If they choose not to repair rooted devices, fine.
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How is that possibly fine?
Take the Motorola Defy as an apt example because I have one - my earpiece has just stopped working.
It's absolutely nothing to do with the OS or whether it's rooted, it's a pure hardware problem and has been known to afflict fully stock handsets as well as rooted/modded ones.
Why should the mere fact that I've fiddled with the OS on my phone excuse a manufacturer from fixing hardware problems that have not been caused by my fiddling?

Step666 said:
How is that possibly fine?
Take the Motorola Defy as an apt example because I have one - my earpiece has just stopped working.
It's absolutely nothing to do with the OS or whether it's rooted, it's a pure hardware problem and has been known to afflict fully stock handsets as well as rooted/modded ones.
Why should the mere fact that I've fiddled with the OS on my phone excuse a manufacturer from fixing hardware problems that have not been caused by my fiddling?
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Because they figure messing with the OS is apparently evil. I'm more than willing to bet this is more of a carrier pushed issue than the OEM because one big reason of rooting is to bypass carrier limits.
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That's an excuse, not a reason.
There is no reasonable justification for manufacturers to take such a stance.
And even less of one for someone on here to apparently agree with such behaviour.

As one of the few founding members of the Dev Team AndIRC I got a good laugh out of this article, this is not the end of an era. All devices have had some challenges to rooting. The HTC Droid Eris which was our claim to fame took months to root and then finally we got some working methods, the fact that we owned the thunderbolt in less than a few hours (the article is too dramatic) is amazing, we have some very skilled devs and with time we get work done.

I think this is a carrier issue. Now that their all worried about tethering. Hey if you pay for the phone and service what you do with it is your problem. Its about making more money. If it gets worse I may downgrade to a metro! Omg
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Captainkrtek said:
As one of the few founding members of the Dev Team AndIRC I got a good laugh out of this article, this is not the end of an era. All devices have had some challenges to rooting. The HTC Droid Eris which was our claim to fame took months to root and then finally we got some working methods, the fact that we owned the thunderbolt in less than a few hours (the article is too dramatic) is amazing, we have some very skilled devs and with time we get work done.
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Incredible took a while too... Kinda seems like they're stepping it up a bit, generation after generation.
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maybe the carriers got something to do with it? they want to charge extra for tethering and so on after all. if it would be too easy to unlock extra features and wipe devices of their bloatware they might miss out on additional money?

Well f*ck the carriers. If they're going to cripple a device, they have no right to charge what they do. Yes, you already pay about half of what they pay for the phone, BUT you pay back the difference over the term of your contract.

Product F(RED) said:
Well f*ck the carriers. If they're going to cripple a device, they have no right to charge what they do. Yes, you already pay about half of what they pay for the phone, BUT you pay back the difference over the term of your contract.
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Probably more than that.
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The G2 and MT4G took a couple of months to root but it happened. The amazing devs here will always find a way.
I completely agree that we own it and should be able to do what we want. If you expect the carrier to support it they have a right to only support their approved configuration.
I think hardware warranty and troubleshooting warranty should be separated.
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Why can't they just do it more like the PC's do.
If you screw up you can insert a bootable CD and restore the OS.
Of course a CD is not a ideal option for a phone, but I can see a SD card formated and coded in a way that it is able to restore the OS completely, even if the phone is bricked.
If the manufactures give such a card away (could just be a 512mb card I gues) then the consumer could hack the phone to dead and still have a backup thus keeping the manufacturer out of sight.
I mean, how hard could something like this be? ;p

dragonithe said:
Why can't they just do it more like the PC's do.
If you screw up you can insert a bootable CD and restore the OS.
Of course a CD is not a ideal option for a phone, but I can see a SD card formated and coded in a way that it is able to restore the OS completely, even if the phone is bricked.
If the manufactures give such a card away (could just be a 512mb card I gues) then the consumer could hack the phone to dead and still have a backup thus keeping the manufacturer out of sight.
I mean, how hard could something like this be? ;p
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Impossible for the carriers since to them rooting is horrible.
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Will Anyone Buy a HTC Device If it becomes totally Unrootable

I have the HTC inspire 4G, and I'll be watching closely on phones i do not even own such as the thunderbolt to see if anyone is able to unlock the bootloader. Coming from a jailbroken Iphone 3GS and Iphone 4, to a rooted samsung captivate which I liked, has awesome graphics capability. 3 Months after buying the captivate the Inspire 4G was released and I had to have it. Not because its 4G, My 3G here in Tampa, Florida streamed HD videos without never having to stop to buffer, so I was satisfied with that, I average 3.8 down with almost every 3G phone I've ever owned. I bought it because of the screen size and camera flash. And I love it, I'm very impressed with my rooted Inspire, However a year from now, and I want another phone, If HTC becomes impossible to root, I'll go back to Samsung. Took 45 seconds to root my captivate and that includes downloading the one click root lol.
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I'm not saying I agree with them locking down the bootloader given the nature and ethos of Android, but from a business standpoint it does make sense. Perhaps they decided to begin locking things down because they were getting too many warranty/support claims by people who had screwed things up by modding their devices.
Again, I'm not defending it at all. Just try looking at it from the other perspective, eh?

The original code crunchers won't like people to mess with their software! But it's alright our great developers of XDA will breeze past any obstacles
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from a business point of view it does make sense, specially with what angingrich says, a boycott is not gonna help because
a)either way people will still buy the phone
b)only a minority actually gets into hacking the phone like us
so there you go, that been said i don't think they will stop with the locking process, now try that on Docomo or Softbank they won't even unlock the phone even if you threat them with lawsuits....i guess business is business after all.

consegregate said:
The original code crunchers won't like people to mess with their software! But it's alright our great developers of XDA will breeze past any obstacles
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I understand, I just feel it is my device, and I should be able to alter it the way I want. Just like the way I can on the Laptop I own. Be like getting a computer with no r/w access on your hard drive except to store multimedia.

angingrich said:
I'm not saying I agree with them locking down the bootloader given the nature and ethos of Android, but from a business standpoint it does make sense. Perhaps they decided to begin locking things down because they were getting too many warranty/support claims by people who had screwed things up by modding their devices.
Again, I'm not defending it at all. Just try looking at it from the other perspective, eh?
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I don't think support claims are the reason. Have you ever read about people bricking their HTC phones when they tried to root them? They brick their phones when they try to bypass a NAND lock or the Motorola signature check.

Given the choice I will not buy another handset with a locked bootloader.

budco2000 said:
I understand, I just feel it is my device, and I should be able to alter it the way I want. Just like the way I can on the Laptop I own. Be like getting a computer with no r/w access on your hard drive except to store multimedia.
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Mostly because r/w access to system files can eff things up more on a phone then a laptop? Safety for the average users and rooting for the more experienced who won't brick their phone and cry for warranty.
I won't buy an android phone if there's no root though! Nearly chucked my x10 mini pro because stock rom sucks.

The EVO 3D will be shipped with a LOCKED bootloader! Bad news for sensation

HTC spent the day with Paul on friday to show him the EVO 3d.
He asked them if it will be shipped with unlocked bootloader. Here is what he tweeted this morning:
"Of course, I asked HTC whether the phone was expected to ship with an unlocked bootloader and in truth, the answer was a little troubling - "The Evo 3D was in development before the open bootloader decision was made and as such we aren't sure as yet whether the device will ship initially with an unlocked bootloader or this will follow later". Not good enough HTC!"
Very disappointing indeed

KiaOrana said:
"or this will follow later".
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that's the key right there.
we will get it. (crosses fingers)

If Microsoft said that all future versions of Windows would come with a free option to edit the registry (ok so bad example) and then released Windows 8 without this feature purely because it was already in development - they would be thrown to the wolves.
I have no doubt we will see the unlocked bootloader for the Sensation and EVO3D, but Chou has already lied to his customers.

So very disappointed..I doubt i won't buy htc phones if it also comes with a locked bootloader.
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If this true, i just wait the new Xperia Duo, and if come before HTC unlock boot i will say goodbye HTC for ever...
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On the contrary I see that as good news for HTC Sensation.
HTC say they are still working on developing it and preparing all the policies and stuff, so it makes sense if it's still not fully ready for any device, even the EVO 3D.
Let's see when will that happen and how it will be rolled out.
Come on HTC, it's taking too long already!!!

KiaOrana said:
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"we aren't sure as yet whether the device will ship initially with an unlocked bootloader or this will follow later"
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What's not good enough? The fact that HTC have said that the device will either ship with an unlocked bootloader or recieve an update at a later date? How did you interpret that any other way? Very misleading post. Sick of people saying "not good enough" "hurry up". Give them time! They have communicated through various official channels that both devices will recieve an unlocked bootloader one way or another.
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yourpassenger said:
What's not good enough? The fact that HTC have said that the device will either ship with an unlocked bootloader or recieve an update at a later date? How did you interpret that any other way? Very misleading post. Sick of people saying "not good enough" "hurry up". Give them time! They have communicated through various official channels that both devices will recieve an unlocked bootloader one way or another.
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The big issue is that they should already have it out. There is absolutely no reason that they can't modify HBOOT and release a RUU - probably would take them no more than an hour worth of work since they already have the keys and don't have to go through the hassle that we have been going through rooting their devices lately with goldcards and crap.

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The big issue is that they should already have it out. There is absolutely no reason that they can't modify HBOOT and release a RUU - probably would take them no more than an hour worth of work since they already have the keys and don't have to go through the hassle that we have been going through rooting their devices lately with goldcards and crap.
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perhaps it's because they are working on some optimization of the Sense 3.0 and release it with the unlock?
I hope...

Mainspring said:
perhaps it's because they are working on some optimization of the Sense 3.0 and release it with the unlock?
I hope...
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Wish in one hand, **** in the other...
HTC has a long history of pulling B/S - a perfect example was the lack of graphics drivers for the Imageon processor that was in the Mogul, Touch, and Touch Pro and the artificially-forced 30FPS on the EVO...
I'm losing faith in HTC altogether.

EtherealRemnant said:
The big issue is that they should already have it out. There is absolutely no reason that they can't modify HBOOT and release a RUU - probably would take them no more than an hour worth of work since they already have the keys and don't have to go through the hassle that we have been going through rooting their devices lately with goldcards and crap.
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Don't you think there's a little more work involved with rolling out an update for one of their flagship devices? Development and testing aside I would imagine there being a fair amount of legal wrangling between themselves and the various carrier in different countries. Just be patient, they have moved from a position of having locked to unlocked due to pressure from the community. For that I am thankful. Enough of the moaning and knee jerk hysteria.
=)
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yourpassenger said:
Don't you think there's a little more work involved with rolling out an update for one of their flagship devices? Development and testing aside I would imagine there being a fair amount of legal wrangling between themselves and the various carrier in different countries. Just be patient, they have moved from a position of having locked to unlocked due to pressure from the community. For that I am thankful. Enough of the moaning and knee jerk hysteria.
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You really think that T-Mobile USA would object to an unlocked bootloader when their other flagship was the G2x that was by far the easiest phone to root that I've ever owned.
I understand the legal crap but they've had plenty of time to flesh out the bootloader unlock... they should have been starting on it before the device even launched since the decision was made before it launched to unlock devices going forward.
Whatever, I'll wait for it until I can't anymore and then I guess its back to the G2x and hoping and praying LG fixes it soon.

Electronic Punk said:
If Microsoft said that all future versions of Windows would come with a free option to edit the registry (ok so bad example) and then released Windows 8 without this feature purely because it was already in development - they would be thrown to the wolves.
I have no doubt we will see the unlocked bootloader for the Sensation and EVO3D, but Chou has already lied to his customers.
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What a terrible example.... How often does a new version of windows come out? Every few years.....
How often does an HTC phone come out? Every few weeks, or days sometimes... The Sensation and E3D had already been assembled and packaged by the time their policy about bootloaders changed. They said the phones will get an unlocked bootloader. I'm sure they will roll it out with some updates for this bug-plagued device. HTC has dozens of models to maintain and dozens more to create. Give them a damn second to get their ducks in a row.
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Hehehe....funny stuff.
Seems like this actually affects peoples day.... In a negative way.
A month for some people must be an agonizing event.... If it hasn't come in few months....then start to ask why.... Until then....enjoy life.

I have to say that I don't think it would be that hard for them to just release a unoock. But at same time it might be harder then we think.
I can confirm the Evo third-D has a locked boot loader. I have tested both the sensation and the third-D side by side.
I do have to say though, I think we (xda devs) will crack it long before HTC releases the official unlock.

TJBunch1228 said:
What a terrible example.... How often does a new version of windows come out? Every few years.....
How often does an HTC phone come out? Every few weeks, or days sometimes... The Sensation and E3D had already been assembled and packaged by the time their policy about bootloaders changed. They said the phones will get an unlocked bootloader. I'm sure they will roll it out with some updates for this bug-plagued device. HTC has dozens of models to maintain and dozens more to create. Give them a damn second to get their ducks in a row.
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Thats irrelevent tbh, its still a promised feature that isn't in the released product and I am going to be stuck with this phone for 2 years under contract.

EtherealRemnant said:
You really think that T-Mobile USA would object to an unlocked bootloader when their other flagship was the G2x that was by far the easiest phone to root that I've ever owned.
I understand the legal crap but they've had plenty of time to flesh out the bootloader unlock... they should have been starting on it before the device even launched since the decision was made before it launched to unlock devices going forward.
Whatever, I'll wait for it until I can't anymore and then I guess its back to the G2x and hoping and praying LG fixes it soon.
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No they wouldn't object but everything still has to be drawn up in formal contracts or amendments etc etc. This has to be coordinated in X number of countries with X number of carriers and suppliers, in other words a bit of a ballache.
The devices had effectively been launched. If they had decided to do this pre the OFFICIAL launch then it would have probably resulted in delays, definitely not an acceptable option for a company the size of htc.
They said they are working on it so let's just wait and see if they honour their promise of unlocked bootloaders. Everything I have read so far suggests that they will.
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No they wouldn't object but everything still has to be drawn up in formal contracts or amendments etc etc. This has to be coordinated in X number of countries with X number of carriers and suppliers, in other words a bit of a ballache.
The devices had effectively been launched. If they had decided to do this pre the OFFICIAL launch then it would have probably resulted in delays, definitely not an acceptable option for a company the size of htc.
They said they are working on it so let's just wait and see if they honour their promise of unlocked bootloaders. Everything I have read so far suggests that they will.
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Well said....
Hasn't it only been like a month since the CEO made the statement?
That's not very long at all.....

Electronic Punk said:
Thats irrelevent tbh, its still a promised feature that isn't in the released product and I am going to be stuck with this phone for 2 years under contract.
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What could be more relevant??? If you had your way and this phone was released with an unlocked BL, none of us would have a Sensation right now, as they'd be busy opening each individual package, getting into the phone, unlocking the BL, repackaging, resealing, returning to the stores, then releasing. Thank goodness more sound minds than a few here are in charge at HTC.
Have our devices a month with a locked bootloader before we get the unlock, or wait another month without the phone to see it released with the bootloader already unlocked? hmmmm...
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I think people are forgetting how many times HTC promised to release drivers for their lag-plagued Mogul, Touch, Touch Pro, and the GSM variants of said devices - to never see it actually come to fruition.
HTC just likes to say things to shut people up.

[Poll] Returning my HTC Sensation

I decided to also make this post a poll. Will you return your HTC Sensation?
For everyone that is frustrated with the bootloader, you may want to follow suit. Don't hang onto this phone past your return policy time if you will be unhappy if it's not unlocked.
HTC haven't been able to definitively say "Yes we are unlocking the bootloader for the HTC Sensation." It seems all articles and re-posts that claim this will happen are quoting vague references and canned responses. I personally emailed them (as have many) to ask if it will be unlocked and all responses are (paraphrased) "We cannot say if it will be, but keep watching our media channels - facebook, twitter, etc". I went as far as trying to escalate to corporate (politely) and they were still unable to confirm if the HTC Sensation would or would not be unlocked.
So far zero confirmation. That's also zero confirmation on the reverse - they haven't definitively said they won't either. Grid lock.
What *has* been confirmed is that future devices will sport an unlocked bootloader. I'm willing to wait for this! This does not include the HTC Sensation or recent EVO.
I am returning my HTC Sensation to the store with 1 week left on my 30 day return policy. If they manage to deliver an unlocked bootloader between now and when the next device comes out I will gladly re-purchase the phone as the hardware and experience have been fantastic. Unfortunately being a fellow tweaker, I too want the ability to use custom roms and especially not be locked to a manufacturer's release schedule for Android updates. I went through too many let downs using a locked Motorola Android phone and will no longer be supporting locked devices full stop. Android is meant to help us be free of certain restrictions imposed by other operating systems and carriers.
I'm willing to wait for a non-bootloader locked phone with killer specs.
Sadly returning the device for now. Feel free to let us all know if you will also be, or have already returned your phone in hopeful anticipation of a completely open device.
Cheers all!

As I have said..You all are misinformed. As it was told to me was the bootloader unlocking tool will be a part of the htc dev tools site that will be launching soon. I suggest you relax, keep your phone and see how it goes. Not that serious to start a revolution over. Especially when it can be coming any day now.

No problems. I can handle the flames, but also understand that people are sick of this. We can close this thread.

holding onto the phone may not be viable if there is fear that we won't be getting bootloaders unlocked. I have a limited time frame for when I can return this phone...

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Either a MOD is going to close this or you are about to get flamed. #ImJustSaying
The mods say they don't want anymore of these types of threads in here as there are plenty already.
As I have said..You all are misinformed. As it was told to me was the bootloader unlocking tool will be a part of the htc dev tools site that will be launching soon. I suggest you relax, keep your phone and see how it goes. Not that serious to start a revolution over. Especially when it can be coming any day now.
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On a side note, would you mind pointing me to the thread about the dev tools you mentioned?

Hell no I'm not returning this phone its amazing! HTC is a huge international corporation, you're seriously surprised about getting canned responses?
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On a side note, would you mind pointing me to the thread about the dev tools you mentioned?
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I am also in the late stages of deciding to return the Sensation. It is a wonderful phone but many issues and no real answer about unlocking the bootloader(actual and factual info about when -where- and how.)and no word about updates and whether or not they will fix all of the issues. I am only speaking for me but I find it increasingly harder to keep and support a device that has numerous documented issues with no announced plan to fix them from HTC and nothing about unlocking the bootloader, except vague promises.. I also would like the link to the thread about dev tools.

If you're that sad that a locked bootloader is going to make you return your phone then you need to get out more. Get over it and just wait

No it's a great phone and works, with a few quirks, great. We already have received an update after one month so in 2-3 months we will receive the next update which will update the phone to a bug free heaven.
Besides, it's already possible to disable apps so I'm going to install Launcher Pro as soon as I'm bored with Sense. Have used Sense for 2 years on my Hero so I will survive.

This phone gonna be out g2x here i come .
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i kept it, but i am dissatisfied with it for other reasons which i will post in my " could htc have done more with the sensation" thread.

jkub said:
On a side note, would you mind pointing me to the thread about the dev tools you mentioned?
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Here...
http://www.htcdev.com/
And here...
http://developer.htc.com/

jkub said:
I decided to also make this post a poll. Will you return your HTC Sensation?
For everyone that is frustrated with the bootloader, you may want to follow suit. Don't hang onto this phone past your return policy time if you will be unhappy if it's not unlocked.
HTC haven't been able to definitively say "Yes we are unlocking the bootloader for the HTC Sensation." It seems all articles and re-posts that claim this will happen are quoting vague references and canned responses. I personally emailed them (as have many) to ask if it will be unlocked and all responses are (paraphrased) "We cannot say if it will be, but keep watching our media channels - facebook, twitter, etc". I went as far as trying to escalate to corporate (politely) and they were still unable to confirm if the HTC Sensation would or would not be unlocked.
So far zero confirmation. That's also zero confirmation on the reverse - they haven't definitively said they won't either. Grid lock.
What *has* been confirmed is that future devices will sport an unlocked bootloader. I'm willing to wait for this! This does not include the HTC Sensation or recent EVO.
I am returning my HTC Sensation to the store with 1 week left on my 30 day return policy. If they manage to deliver an unlocked bootloader between now and when the next device comes out I will gladly re-purchase the phone as the hardware and experience have been fantastic. Unfortunately being a fellow tweaker, I too want the ability to use custom roms and especially not be locked to a manufacturer's release schedule for Android updates. I went through too many let downs using a locked Motorola Android phone and will no longer be supporting locked devices full stop. Android is meant to help us be free of certain restrictions imposed by other operating systems and carriers.
I'm willing to wait for a non-bootloader locked phone with killer specs.
Sadly returning the device for now. Feel free to let us all know if you will also be, or have already returned your phone in hopeful anticipation of a completely open device.
Cheers all!
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You knew this phone had a locked bootloader when you bought it. It's funny how everyone is *****ing about it when they damn well knew it was locked. And what? Since HTC didnt release the unlocked bootloader a few weeks after the phone launches that's too long? Do I want my bootloader unlocked? HELL YEAH! Am I going to sit here and ***** and moan about it because HTC hasnt unlocked it yet? NO, because I knew I was buying a phone with a locked bootloader when I bought it. HTC Has said they will unlock the bootloader, they just didnt give an exact date as to when it would be unlocked. Even if HTC changes their minds, someone will get it unlocked eventually. Just look at the G2! That's never been officially unlocked..
I'm really tired of seeing all these posts with people *****ing about the bootloader.. YOU KNEW THIS WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PHONE.. so 1. Dont buy the effing phone until it's unlocked or 2. stop *****ing that it's locked and just be patient!!! It's quite SIMPLE..

People knew it was locked but we also had the impression it would get unlocked that's the main reason people bought it. From what we hear htc aint unlocking **** , point blank they could of just told people its not going to be unlocked on Facebook and just ended it there instead of keeping hope alive. I still can live with it being locked cause i still have my ns and to think i was gonna sell it.
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I would love for it to be unlocked, but I knew it wasn't when I bought it; and I've managed to work around it anyways..so I'm good.
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I have to vote no because that other dual core from tmobile has an older android version and less RAM. And besides-the screen on my HTC HD2 is so unrelieable right now I gave it to my 3yr old son to play angry birds with

bonebeatz1234 said:
People knew it was locked but we also had the impression it would get unlocked that's the main reason people bought it. From what we hear htc aint unlocking **** , point blank they could of just told people its not going to be unlocked on Facebook and just ended it there instead of keeping hope alive. I still can live with it being locked cause i still have my ns and to think i was gonna sell it.
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OMG! really? what you hear must be different from what the rest of us hear, because judging on what I read in the forums they tell everyone the same thing. They are committed to what they said and they are working on getting it going. The phone hasnt even been out for a full month yet and so many of you are crying foul on HTC's part. When I spoke to someone there, they said yes they did get a memo about informing them about the new policy. She told me the newer phones (released in late summer/early fall) will come shipped with unlocked bootloaders and they were working on an update for both the sensation and evo3d(which at the time I spoke to her wasnt even released yet). She told me the techs think it's going to be a nightmare for them because of all the noobs bricking their devices. I'm sure they already have S-off ready but right now they are trying to figure out the best way to implement it. Just because they didnt unlock it in the first 4 weeks of release doesnt mean they lied! People need to have patience. I mean they have to figure out how they are going to do it and also brace themselves and be ready for tons of noobs calling in saying they ****ed up their device. There is more to it than "hey it's ready push it out"
For example, will it be a OTA update? I think they will try to not make it so easy so every tom **** and harry could **** up their phone. Will we have to call in and request it special? will we have to send our devices into HTC and have them unlock it for us? I'm sure the logistics are what they are working on now. But how you get they are lying from all the info people have gotten is amazing. They keep saying they are standing behind it, and that there will be a update of some kind to unlock it. The only thing they havent told us is WHEN. And if they did give us a date and then couldnt make the deadline then you would be saying the same ****, that they lied and would prob be even more pissed off. I honestly dont see it happening until late aug or sept. But I'm sure by then one of us devs will break it or get a leaked Hboot
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I have to vote no because that other dual core from tmobile has an older android version and less RAM. And besides-the screen on my HTC HD2 is so unrelieable right now I gave it to my 3yr old son to play angry birds with
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I guess you are referring to the G2x? It does have Froyo stock but I hear CM7 got a lot more stable for it(I'm going to try it again). I run Faux's GB rom on my G2x. and it's pretty stable for me.
The ram issue? Sure the G2x has only 512 but I NEVER had a time when I didnt have at least 90-100mb of free ram and that's when everything I use is open and running in the background. Someone once said if you have that much available ram at all times even when you open everything up then it's pretty much wasted ram. When I got the G2x I came from the MT4G and I was REALLY concerned about having 768 and having to go to 512. But Cyanogen himself when he got the g2x said the 512 of ram was perfectly fine and there were no issues with it having only 512. When I read that I felt better about making the switch. And yes it does have less ram than the sensation but at this point and time my G2x blows my sensation out of the water speed and performance wise. I love my sensation and cant wait until we can see what this thing can really do

You guys are nitpicking about something you already knew about. So what does that make u?
I still got the phone knowing what I was getting. I came from the g2x and the nexus s and I don't regret getting rid of both.
The bootloader will be unlocked. We have root now and overclock so take that and have fun with it. Stop being impatient. This isn't the Atrix I'm sure it won't take that long lol.
If u want it that bad....start developing the unlock yourself or sit down and Stfu.
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charlieb620 said:
You guys are nitpicking about something you already knew about. So what does that make u?
I still got the phone knowing what I was getting. I came from the g2x and the nexus s and I don't regret getting rid of both.
The bootloader will be unlocked. We have root now and overclock so take that and have fun with it. Stop being impatient. This isn't the Atrix I'm sure it won't take that long lol.
If u want it that bad....start developing the unlock yourself or sit down and Stfu.
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Exactly! If the XDA app had a thanks button I'd be hitting it right now
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We need to ask them to add one lol.
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