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Andida 1800mAh Battery Testing

Hi All,
Well, I finally received my Andida 1800mAh battery in the mail this week. Charged it up and I'm on my second day of real world testing. It's midday over here and my phone has been off the charger since 8am although I have only used it to send a couple of messages, read a few emails and check my calendar today. I'm not using any SetCPU profiles (haven't even installed SetCPU) and I have 97% remaining.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to test this battery against the stock? I was just going to enable bluetooth, wifi, GPS and load a playlist of the first season of scrubs and see which one lasted the longest. I can't imagine either would last any more than a couple of hours.
Any better ideas would be appreciated, I'm keen to get to the bottom of this and see if there is any real world increase in capacity with this battery.
Krisbo

Im pretty sure this battery has no more mAh than the stock battery.
What do you mean by "mid day"?

knarfl1 said:
Im pretty sure this battery has no more mAh than the stock battery.
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Based on what? That's what I'm trying to determine here because although there has been a lot of waffle about batteries on this forum, I've yet to see many people who actually own the battery provide any conclusive results. At this stage I'm neither arguing for or against the battery, but testing it out.
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What do you mean by "mid day"?
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Mid-day means 12:00PM, as in the middle of the day

Charge them both to 100% and run the same movie completely on both. See where each battery stands after the movie finishes.

Mustang302LX said:
Charge them both to 100% and run the same movie completely on both. See where each battery stands after the movie finishes.
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That would be a good test!

Been waiting for a good reliable review on this battery, let me know how it turns out for you...
Maybe then ill be assured to buy it I cus my inspire needs more jugo [juice]...
sent from my Inspire 4G via XDA App

I'm interested to hear the results of your test. Sounds like a perfect and objective way to tell which performs better....

I have this battery and just from my normal usage, it doesnt seem to be any different than the stock battery. I have not done any testing, just comparing where the batter is after a normal day to what my stock battery was after a normal day.

Make sure you go through a few cycles with the new battery before doing anything. Also wouldn't hurt to reset your battery stats after it's fully charged. It's hard to tell what a 'normal' days use is to compare one vs the other. The movie test seems to be a pretty valid test to me. Please post your results.

i just got my $109 shipment from netimes.com with 5 cases, blutooth headset, dock with a slot for a battery to charge, and 3 1600 mAh batteries and they were all about $7 but they last almost as long as the stock battery with normal use so their probably about 1200 mAh but with 4 it should get me through a couple of days with MIUI which i get amazing battery on

gmurphy0487 said:
I have this battery and just from my normal usage, it doesnt seem to be any different than the stock battery. I have not done any testing, just comparing where the batter is after a normal day to what my stock battery was after a normal day.
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That's what I'm doing now Will post results soon, stay tuned!

cordell507 said:
i just got my $109 shipment from netimes.com with 5 cases, blutooth headset, dock with a slot for a battery to charge, and 3 1600 mAh batteries and they were all about $7 but they last almost as long as the stock battery with normal use so their probably about 1200 mAh but with 4 it should get me through a couple of days with MIUI which i get amazing battery on
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It takes 4 to get you through a couple of days?

http://batteryboss.org/

People need to stop posting that website the batteries there are old and not updated to newest phones
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churro7 said:
People need to stop posting that website the batteries there are old and not updated to newest phones
sent from planet snarf
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Not to be rude, but that website wasn't updated that long ago with phones/batteries that are still very relevant in today's market. Considering battery technology has not gone through any sort of major rework for years it's safe to say the results on that page are pretty accurate to those phones and most new phones coming out.
Also, it's no secret that the majority of these companies rate the batteries miserably higher than what they will actually test at. I'd also imagine it's safe to say that since the testing these companies haven't changed their whole business plan to represent accurate battery measurements.
Just my two cents. We all know the general result of these battery threads.

Still those batteries on that website dint represent anything other than the phones they are for. once they do inspire galaxy s the 4 g version etc then that thing can be reference d
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churro7 said:
Still those batteries on that website dint represent anything other than the phones they are for. once they do inspire galaxy s the 4 g version etc then that thing can be reference d
sent from planet snarf
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Until a reputable company comes out with a batter you can pretty much count on it not being any higher capacity than stock. This is due to the size of the battery, unless it sticks out the side of the phone there is almost not a way to make the battery much higher capacity using the same technology.(cheaply) Do you have evidence to prove otherwise? I'm willing to bet you do not..

do you have evidence it cant?

The evidence is in the battery capacities available, not hard to show that.

that is no evidence.......ive seen aa batteries mAH ratings grow but no physical changes.
but that is beside the point until battery boss is updated with the newest phones batteries then it shouldnt be used as a guide like it was back then

What I found on Anker battery..is this the real capacity?

I just received my Anker battery from Laptopmate (ebay) today.
And surprisingly when I look on the cover, it seems there is a print out that is transparent from the back..and it shows number 1700.
Does it mean the real capacity of this Anker battery is only 1700 mAh?
The whole printout reads:
H0545148AR
TIF09NF1700 (I can't read clearly the first 3 letter on this second line)
Can anybody who receive this battery confirm this?
Does yours also show similar printout?
I attached the pictures for you to see.

Very interesting, I was going to ask someone whether they would tear off the labels on their batteries to look for serial numbers.
I've purchased 3rd party batteries in the past that had labeled capacities that were exaggerated versus the data sheet corresponding to the serial number printed underneath the label.
I believe that 545148AR may correspond to the battery listed in this document,
wenku.baidu.com/view/1b02a2205901020207409cc1.html
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Here is a description of the datasheet from a different datasheet I have from the same company.
Notes:
1.Rated capacities of above batteries are measured according to the following conditions:
under 20+5℃, battery is charged to 4.2V with constant current of 0.2C5mA, and charged continuously with
constant voltage of 4.2V until the charged current is 0.01 C5mA., then discharged to the voltage of 3.00V
with constant current of 0.2 C5mA.
2.Under 20+5℃, 65±5%RH, rated capacities less than 1000mAh, it can be charged to 4.2V with constant
current of 1 C5mA, and then, charged continuously with constant voltage of 4.2V until the charged current is
less than 0.01 C5mA, then battery can be discharged to the voltage of 3.00V with constant current 1 C5mA.
The discharging time is not less than 54 minutes (or capacity is not less then 90% rated capacity); rated
capacities more than 1000mAh, it can be charged to 4.2V with constant current of 0.5 C5mA, and then,
charged continuously with constant voltage of 4.2V until the charged current is less than 0.01 C 5mA, then
battery can be discharged to the voltage of 3.00V with constant current 0.5 C5mA.The discharging time is
not less than 108 minutes (or capacity is not less then 90% rated capacity)
3.Among models of the batteries mentioned above, the battery model labeled R is prismatic battery with
round angle； the one labeled A is the battery whose shell is made of Aluminum；the battery model labeled
S whose shell can is made of steel；the battery model labeled F is a set of explosion-proof；the one labeled
J means the battery is made by automatic line；the suffix of ''H,M,E,L or 1,2,etc" added to the model name
was to sort the capacity of the model which has the same size, and have no meaning else
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It would be interesting if someone can measure the dimensions and weight of the battery and compare it to the datasheet values to determine whether its the same battery or not. If the true capacity is actually 1650mAh, I would not be surprised at all based on my experiences with 3rd party batteries.

Guys I think the biggest thing to keep in mind about these Anker batteries, is that it seems to be a fairly unanimous consensus that these "1900" mAh batts are giving people longer cycles.
I spent a few hours today reading ALL the posts about every 3rd party battery for the Sensation, including the Evo 3D batts that work in the S4G. This Anker seems to have to mostly positive reviews by XDA members. Ya its a roll of the dice....but for under $20 to have possibly 4-7 extra hours....that's well worth it. I purchased one today....when it comes, ill give my results.
That faint number you see, that no one else seems to have noticed in the thread on Anker, could very well just be a random number....who knows.
Main thing....it seems to act like a 1900mAh battery

i have ripped my label off will post picture shortly

west2cool said:
i have ripped my label off will post picture shortly
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here are pictures

Hoping to love this $18.99-worth
I just bit the bullet and purchased this from amazon.com. For the price point as long as it gives any increase in battery life -and- doesn't set my phone on fire, this will be a worthy investment. As a newly converted blackberry user, battery life on android os devices just kills me. When I get the battery I'll post an update.
First post on xda FTW!

why did you feel the need to open a new thread about this when we already got more than one about the anker 1900mah battery?

My only concern with that is that its all just anecdotal evidence, no one here has tested the battery under controlled conditions with the appropriate equipment. Can we really reliably tell +100mAh from +400mAh based on peoples undefined estimates like "light usage, heavy usage", not to mention bias. Ultimately though, it probably won't matter to people as long as they think they're getting better battery life, which they probably are, but maybe not as much as they think they are.

this may sound werid..i may get flamed at i apologize... but what are the chances that these batteries will blow up compared to the oem htc sensation ones? is it really made out of high quality?

+1
I am also very skeptical about the 3rd parties and how they "feel", once again I will direct people to this test, Battery Boss where many popular 3rd party brands are tested to have only 70-82% of advertise capacity.
However every oem battery tested is around ~96% of listed capacity.
Sure its only 10 or $20, but I would rather put that money towards a battery with a 'true' rating.
jim13524 said:
My only concern with that is that its all just anecdotal evidence, no one here has tested the battery under controlled conditions with the appropriate equipment. Can we really reliably tell +100mAh from +400mAh based on peoples undefined estimates like "light usage, heavy usage", not to mention bias. Ultimately though, it probably won't matter to people as long as they think they're getting better battery life, which they probably are, but maybe not as much as they think they are.
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Yes it will blow up definitely
vvilliamm said:
this may sound werid..i may get flamed at i apologize... but what are the chances that these batteries will blow up compared to the oem htc sensation ones? is it really made out of high quality?
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Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

Let us not forget that if you turn your HTC battery over, it says...Made In China.
These Anker batteries probably come from the same manufacturer as HTC branded ones.... well it's very possible at least.
Seems like some people think that because it's Chinese...it's inferior to the oem HTC batts. One and same

Hoggles said:
Let us not forget that if you turn your HTC battery over, it says...Made In China.
These Anker batteries probably come from the same manufacturer as HTC branded ones.... well it's very possible at least.
Seems like some people think that because it's Chinese...it's inferior to the oem HTC batts. One and same
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$40 versus $10, one and the same? Maybe, but more likely wishful thinking. Remember you're trusting guys who are lying about the mAh ratings.
http://batteryboss.org/

Well, i can tell you this: Stock my BEST day was 14 hours with two hous of "screen on" (use) time. My first day on an Anker was 14 hours with 3 hours "screen on" (use) time.
Today, my second day on the Anker and I am at 64% at 9 hours with just over 1 hour screen on time. I will leave work in an hour with probably at least 58% left. i NEVER left work with more than 38% with my stock.
Is it a true 320more mAh? Dunno. Do I get better battery life? Absolutely. Worth $21 for 2 batterys and a charger? Most most most definitely.

madwolf27 said:
Well, i can tell you this: Stock my BEST day was 14 hours with two hous of "screen on" (use) time. My first day on an Anker was 14 hours with 3 hours "screen on" (use) time.
Today, my second day on the Anker and I am at 64% at 9 hours with just over 1 hour screen on time. I will leave work in an hour with probably at least 58% left. i NEVER left work with more than 38% with my stock.
Is it a true 320more mAh? Dunno. Do I get better battery life? Absolutely. Worth $21 for 2 batterys and a charger? Most most most definitely.
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If you even get the same battery life as OEM for $10 I'd say it's worth it. If it's significantly better that's a great deal.

Anybody else that has bought one care to post their comments here? Are they worth it in your opinion?

If nobody else has dencided to take up the challange I will, I am going to charge both batteries to full charge, turn the phone on full brightness, Wifi on, and leave a program running (a graphics test ot somthing) and see how both batteries fair.
the only time I can do this mind is over the weekend, if someone else has the time to do it beforehand then feel free buti feel that this would a much better way of judging battery life other than 'High usage', 'moderate usage' ect...
I do however feel I got more battery life from the Anker than the stock battery, so I feel the numbers are simply just part of the product ID and people are flapping over nothing.

[REVIEW] 1600mah batteries and charger

This is a quick little review of some 1600mah extended batteries for the desire HD. thees batteries where bought off of ebay from 2 different sellers, but both seem to be the same quaility and same manufacturer.
first of all, you can get these here
2x 1600mah extended battery with charger - LINK
1x 1600mah extended battery - LINK
So now for a bit of a review...
2x batteries and charger. - both batteries arrived relatively quickly, in a padded envolope. with there free shipping it was a little bit less than a week. came it great condition.
1x battery - paid $5 extra for expedited shipping, arrived in 2 days. works perfectly
Battery performance - all of the batteries have around the same performance. the ones with the charger have slightly less battery life but it is still better than the stock 1230mah. i can now easily go a full day of browsing the web and playing games without recharging. although, i dont like my batteries getting too low, cuz i know if they fully discharge it can be bad for them so at 20% i swap the one ive been using for one that ive charged overnight. the way i have it set up, i always will hae a battery fully charged. i have one in the phone and one in the charger overnight. wake up take both and put the other extended in the charger while i am gone. come back and before i go to sleep i swap again. they all get used equally then.
One problem that i have seen though, is that sometimes when i reboot or swap them out, when the phone starts up, it says there is 0% battery left. it is usually fixable by a quick wipe of the battery stats in recovery. has only happened to me in aosp roms though, sense runs fine.
overall, id give them a 4/5 rating because of the low cost and quality, but also because of that glitch(although it could just be software related)
pics up soon to show exact battery life and the batteries themselves

Okey n1 review. Perhaps i will get one of those batteries hate to charge all the time

stumpyz9 said:
i can now easily go a full day of browsing the web and playing games without recharging.
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I would love to see some stats/screenshots of Battery Monitor Widget just so that we can see what you mean by saying that you are browsing and playing games all day.
When i'm using my phone with the screen on all the time then i've got a drain of 1% per 5 minutes. That gives me a bit more than 8 hours before the phone is dead.
On the other hand the maximum standby time is a bit more than 100 hours (1% per 60 minutes) or more than 4 days.
That said you could have really great battery life if you've got more than 2.5 hours of screen on time in one day or it's terrible because the screen on time is way below 2.5 hours.
That's allways based on the assumption that your battery is depleted after 24 hours. "a full day" could also be a work day meaning unplugged at 6 am and recharching at 6 pm.
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about that 0% glitch: I'm using an Evo3D Anker 1900mAh battery in my DHD and got the same problem. I also think that it's related to me using an aosp rom.

I actually have this one!!! ordered from dealextreme.com!
its working fine 1230 mah real size! there is no bigger batteris than 1300 mah!

Pruikki said:
I actually have this one!!! ordered from dealextreme.com!
its working fine 1230 mah real size! there is no bigger batteris than 1300 mah!
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There IS a battery that is more than 1300mAh, the Mugen 1500mAh. Search for it on this forum
There is also the Mugen skin that clips on and holds another 2000?mAh, but that is not entirely practical...

Pruikki said:
I actually have this one!!! ordered from dealextreme.com!
its working fine 1230 mah real size! there is no bigger batteris than 1300 mah!
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That's why you should stuff an Evo3D/Sensation battery in there
Those have 1500mAh or more (and really do!)

Dlog said:
That's why you should stuff an Evo3D/Sensation battery in there
Those have 1500mAh or more (and really do!)
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These batteries do hold more juice than the stock. I don't know why people are complaining about them. For $9 you get 2 batteries and a charger. Even if they where only the stock size, you can still swap them.
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using xda premium

Problem is, these claims have no substance without numbers. Do you have any test results proving the battery life is greater over stock?

LobotomyTH said:
Problem is, these claims have no substance without numbers. Do you have any test results proving the battery life is greater over stock?
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i dont atm, cuzi usually have my phone off for my first 3 periods at school, so displaying thoughs wouldnt be accurate. ill leave it on all day tommorow and post the stats

That would be greatly appreciated.

Sounds great, let's see what you can tell us tomorrow!
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

stumpyz9 said:
i dont atm, cuzi usually have my phone off for my first 3 periods at school, so displaying thoughs wouldnt be accurate. ill leave it on all day tommorow and post the stats
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great....clicked the "thanks" button instead of the "quote" button....
anyway:
it doesn't matter if your phone isn't on for some time....just let Battery Monitor Widget run from 100% to 0% and then show us screenshots of the stats it gathered.
Thoughts about how well your batteries performed aren't needed. I bet you i could give you the exact same thoughts you have about your batteries only that the time from 100% to 0% differs by as much as a day....

Dlog said:
great....clicked the "thanks" button instead of the "quote" button....
anyway:
it doesn't matter if your phone isn't on for some time....just let Battery Monitor Widget run from 100% to 0% and then show us screenshots of the stats it gathered.
Thoughts about how well your batteries performed aren't needed. I bet you i could give you the exact same thoughts you have about your batteries only that the time from 100% to 0% differs by as much as a day....
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Here are the stats as of now, I have been texting, listening to music, surfing the web, and surfing through xda all day.
If I would be using the stock battery, it would have been dead already.
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using xda premium

And phone is overclocked between 1.2ghz and 1.4ghz too
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using xda premium

Battery Monitor Widget:
It's in german so this is what it says in english:
(in the info bar at the top you can see that i had still got 31% charge)
- has been unplugged for 1 day and 2 hours
- has been used for 5h20m or 20%
- screen was on for 2h31m or 9%
- wifi was on for 2h03m or 7%
- bluetooth was on for 1h32m or 5%
It doesn't say anything about how much the gpu was used (for example there is no reliable way of telling how much the usage of opengl drains your battery...at least as far as i know).
But it still gives you better info about how i used my phone and how much you'd get if you were using the same battery.

Dlog said:
Battery Monitor Widget:
It's in german so this is what it says in english:
(in the info bar at the top you can see that i had still got 31% charge)
- has been unplugged for 1 day and 2 hours
- has been used for 5h20m or 20%
- screen was on for 2h31m or 9%
- wifi was on for 2h03m or 7%
- bluetooth was on for 1h32m or 5%
It doesn't say anything about how much the gpu was used (for example there is no reliable way of telling how much the usage of opengl drains your battery...at least as far as i know).
But it still gives you better info about how i used my phone and how much you'd get if you were using the same battery.
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I'll try it for tommrow
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using xda premium

Question about Mugen Battery 1500mah

I'm very curous about this battery for Desire HD. From my experience, 3rd party batteries are generally frowned upon because they usually either
1) Does not contain the advertised charge (mah) amount
2) Does contain the advertised amount of charge but the battery spoils fast, and would be unable to hold charge properly after a few months of usage
3) Heat issues, etc, safety issues in general
It seems like many people in this forum have already got the battery and would like to know whats it like so far. my current original DHD battery has already semi gave way after a year+ of usage, it no longer hold the charge proper and I can only charge up till 60+% before it jumps straight to 100%, as well as battery level jumps erratically.
I went to check, seems like the mugen 1500mah battery http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...ery-for-for-htc-desire-hd-softbank-001ht.html cost around $45 US which translates to roughly $56SGD whereas locally the original DHD battery costs $59SGD. Adding a couple of bucks for shipping and all, it definitely works out to be a better battery to purchase if it actually works well (e.g. refer to above criterias).
So I would like to know whether the battery suffer from the problem of holding charge and also any heat/security issues. Considering I've read that many people claim that they get a lot more battery life out of it in their initial usage.

you can find plenty of user comments in these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997060
Between the 2 threads, there are about 700 comments

If you can live with a modified battery cover then this is superior to the mugen battery and cheaper too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1344761
Big advantage here is you can use an original sensation/evo3d battery from HTC and don't have to have rely on 3rd party batteries.
On the other hand you can get as much as 1900mAh instead of the 1500mAh mugen offers.

paul c said:
you can find plenty of user comments in these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997060
Between the 2 threads, there are about 700 comments
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As a matter of fact I have skimmed through that threads and I don't find anyone talking about how the battery life performs after months to a year of usage. This is a common concern because many 3rd party batteries lose their ability to hold charge very quickly after a short period of time. Of course it can be argued that no one complained about it in the thread but thats not substantial enough. The uesr reviews thats stated in those thread that you have linked are mostly by new users who were "wow"ed by the battery and then stop coming over to the thread altogether.

Even if they would reply, you wouldn't be able to use their statements because you don't know how they treated the battery so far.
I received my Mugen battery lately and I will be handling it the way I learned from here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Ratix0 said:
As a matter of fact I have skimmed through that threads and I don't find anyone talking about how the battery life performs after months to a year of usage. This is a common concern because many 3rd party batteries lose their ability to hold charge very quickly after a short period of time. Of course it can be argued that no one complained about it in the thread but thats not substantial enough. The uesr reviews thats stated in those thread that you have linked are mostly by new users who were "wow"ed by the battery and then stop coming over to the thread altogether.
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I have been using the Mugen battery for about a month now, following their instructions on how to handle the battery during the initial charges.
First, you say "3rd party batteries lose their charge.... after months to a year". Well, my original HTC battery after one year, is - I estimate - about 50% of the new Mugen.
OK, a new battery will outperform an old one, but it's not just 3rd party batteries.
When I changed batteries, the OEM one had actually expanded slightly and it did not slide out of its compartment easily. So the OEM is not a perfect guarantee of a lifetime of high power and good behaviour
And, I spent the extra € on Mugen and not the 2000mAh cons from eBay - Mugen has built a reputation over time, it is built to a similar (or higher?) standard as the OEM's.
btw look for a coupon that is valid for 10 or 20% I recall off the standard Mugen price.

test1800mAh
Many businesses will pretend to be the large capacity, we choose the best choice in the factory, so the quality guaranteed some. I bought a nominal capacity is 2300 mAh, I test the actual can reach 1800 mAh.

does it give you much better battery life?

So if im charghing my battery and it jumps to 100 from 74pct it shows that my battery is in bad condition?

msellars2450 said:
does it give you much better battery life?
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Yes, about 22 % (1500:1230= 1,219...)

No because it's physically impossible.

Hunt3r.j2 said:
No because it's physically impossible.
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I've measured my battery and, as stated before, it has 1523 mAh.

Zeitraffer said:
I've measured my battery and, as stated before, it has 1523 mAh.
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I can confirm this too.

Zeitraffer said:
I've measured my battery and, as stated before, it has 1523 mAh.
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Give me a screenshot of a true test of the battery using external monitoring. Batteryboss.org is my proof, where is yours?

Hunt3r.j2 said:
where is yours?
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I can confirm this too.
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Also I'm not here to battle myself with others about stats.
There's a lot of people that are satisfied with Mugen, even here on the board.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=12986796
I personally don't care if you don't believe that.

I used a battery testing widget when I first got the mugen battery about 2 months back...
It was around 1300mAh with maximum 15% deviation, stayed around that value for the charge cycles done during that period, for about a couple of weeks.
I'd say its definitely pretty close. My HTC battery was at 800mAh with maximum of 20% deviation by the end of 1 year.
(Deviation comes from the limitation of calculating the mAh if I'm not wrong. Because it takes value of the actual consumption / charging once every minute or so, it kind of either interpolates between values, or just assume the whole 1 minute being the recorded value. Hence the possible variation.)

Zeitraffer said:
Also I'm not here to battle myself with others about stats.
There's a lot of people that are satisfied with Mugen, even here on the board.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=12986796
I personally don't care if you don't believe that.
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Of course you don't, but no, ignorance is not a replacement for knowledge.
Actual testing (250 mA drain until shutoff voltage) shows Mugen to be wrong. Where is proof that you're right?
For the OP: http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Univ...able-Packaging/dp/B00486MH80/ref=pd_sim_cps_6
That should give one full charge of the Desire HD from 0% to 100%. It's about the size of the phone, but thinner.
http://www.amazon.com/Anker-SlimTal..._1_6?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1334818005&sr=1-6
This should give around two to 1.75 full charges.
I would highly suggest going with genuine OEM batteries to get the maximum you can get. Always ask yourself: If it was so easy to get more battery capacity into the phone, why didn't HTC do it?

Hunt3r.j2 said:
Batteryboss.org is my proof
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No it's not, because batteryboss.org did not test the Mugen 1500 mAh battery for the HTC Desire HD this thread is about. If they did, please provide a link.
batteryboss.org said:
Tests of batteries being sold for HTC's Nexus One, Incredible, EVO 4G, Hero, Desire and Touch Pro2/Tilt 2.
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Hunt3r.j2 said:
where is yours?
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Where is proof that you're right?
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I have posted a screenshot of BatteryMonitorWidgetPro below, showing 1526 mAh of in-use value as complete capacity after 100% complete / 0% discharge cycles.
Also showing 1214 mAh with +- 41% deviation while on daily use, with no complete charge/discharge cycles that I made in the beginning, after I had received the battery on March 13th 2012.
So this is not the complete capacity; the upper value is.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
Actual testing (250 mA drain until shutoff voltage) shows Mugen to be wrong.
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Where? Please provide a link to the test of the Mugen 1500 mAh for HTC Desire HD.
Of course I might be wrong, for I am no technician, but the one test app that I used showed me these values. I haven't read anything about Mugen selling batteries with fake values, so I'd really like to know more about it, if there is

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No it's not, because batteryboss.org did not test the Mugen 1500 mAh battery for the HTC Desire HD this thread is about. If they did, please provide a link.
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They tested a Mugen battery, which consistently shows that they overrate batteries. By default, the rating of the battery is in serious doubt.
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I have posted a screenshot of BatteryMonitorWidgetPro below, showing 1526 mAh of in-use value as complete capacity after 100% complete / 0% discharge cycles.
Also showing 1214 mAh with +- 41% deviation while on daily use, with no complete charge/discharge cycles that I made in the beginning, after I had received the battery on March 13th 2012.
So this is not the complete capacity; the upper value is.
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Your own phone is telling you that you're getting exactly OEM capacity, maybe less. Battery Monitor Widget extrapolates what it thinks your mAh rating of the battery is based upon the voltage and the mA consumed to get to that voltage. So far it looks like your battery is either OEM capacity or slightly less. The top 1526 mAh number is what the battery claims to have, not what it really has.
Zeitraffer said:
Where? Please provide a link to the test of the Mugen 1500 mAh for HTC Desire HD.
Of course I might be wrong, for I am no technician, but the one test app that I used showed me these values. I haven't read anything about Mugen selling batteries with fake values, so I'd really like to know more about it, if there is
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1. Your test app is proving you wrong.
2. Phone based test applications are a horrible idea, proper testing should be done with the battery charged outside the phone to 4.2v then discharged to 3.4v at constant mA drain. Multiply the time that it took to drain by the mA drain used to get your accurate capacity.

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They tested a Mugen battery, which consistently shows that they overrate batteries. By default, the rating of the battery is in serious doubt.
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1 battery doesn't prove anything.
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Battery Monitor Widget extrapolates what it thinks your mAh rating of the battery is
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No, it uses historical data (logs) to measure the battery. It doesn't think, it measures.
Please provide a link or anything else for such statements.
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Measures real battery capacity using historical data
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So far it looks like your battery is either OEM capacity or slightly less.
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No. This is how the app works: This value (1214 mAh) was measured by not draining the battery completely anymore. If I don't drain the pack to 0%, the app cannot measure all the capacity. Simple logic.
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The top 1526 mAh number is what the battery claims to have, not what it really has.
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No, the battery was measured all the way from 100% to 0%, and that's what came out after several complete cycles. The log is accessible inside the program.
How should it claim another value?
Hunt3r.j2 said:
Your test app is proving you wrong.
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Please prove that statement.
HTC Desire HD is a supported device
http://www.3c71.com/android/?q=node/102
Hunt3r.j2 said:
2. Phone based test applications are a horrible idea, proper testing should be done with the battery charged outside the phone to 4.2v then discharged to 3.4v at constant mA drain. Multiply the time that it took to drain by the mA drain used to get your accurate capacity.
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That is just your opinion.

What about this battery?

Hi all.I really need to buy a big battery for my sensation and i found this battery .Anybody know something about this battery? Or i must buy a XE stock battery?I`m from Romania and there not found Anker battery and nobody deliver to Romania.Thanks!

If you are willing to take a risk, it could pay off or it could not. If you aren't able to get the Anker battery and don't want to take a risk, I would say go with the stock battery.

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If you are willing to take a risk, it could pay off or it could not. If you aren't able to get the Anker battery and don't want to take a risk, I would say go with the stock battery.
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I do not want to risk,ofcourse.I understand with there battery but i read that 1730 mAh battery from XE are good for our Sensations and has a longer daily life than 1520 mAh stock battery.Is true?And why i`ll risk with XE battery?

buju001 said:
I do not want to risk,ofcourse.I understand with there battery but i read that 1730 mAh battery from XE are good for our Sensations and has a longer daily life than 1520 mAh stock battery.Is true?And why i`ll risk with XE battery?
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You won't risk anything with the XE battery. I had misread that and thought you were going to buy the 1520mAh stock one instead of the XE.

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You won't risk anything with the XE battery. I had misread that and thought you were going to buy the 1520mAh stock one instead of the XE.
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No no.I have an normal Sensation with 1520mAh stock battery and i want to change his battery with 1730mAh battery from Sensation XE.But i want to know if deserve the change.

Up.

I bought my replacement battery from dx.com and seemingly hit a lucky strike: it's supposed to be 1700mah, yet measures over 2000 in Android Tuner. Cheap, free shipping, pretty much ideal except for the ~3 week shipping time. Doesn't get especially warm, works perfectly, and capacity has only gone up in he couple of months that I've had it.
http://dx.com/p/replacement-3-7v-1700mah-battery-pack-for-htc-sensation-z710e-evo-3d-93314
Sent from my Sensation using xda app-developers app

Valantar said:
I bought my replacement battery from dx.com and seemingly hit a lucky strike: it's supposed to be 1700mah, yet measures over 2000 in Android Tuner. Cheap, free shipping, pretty much ideal except for the ~3 week shipping time. Doesn't get especially warm, works perfectly, and capacity has only gone up in he couple of months that I've had it.
http://dx.com/p/replacement-3-7v-1700mah-battery-pack-for-htc-sensation-z710e-evo-3d-93314
Sent from my Sensation using xda app-developers app
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Thanks for reply.But now i`m really confused what battery is better:XE battery 1730 or this replacemanet.

If you could, post some results. Like how much it lasts and display hours during a cycle.

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If you could, post some results. Like how much it lasts and display hours during a cycle.
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Hi.This results is after a low using of phone (5-7 min of facebook,few calls/sms and 5 min of gaming).Can see in the photo.I have perfect deep sleep but when i use phone battery drain a lot.Especially in games(5-10 min of gaming = 20-30% ).I have these settings:vipers rom v1.6.3 + faux kernel with intellidemand max cpu 1188,min 192,max screen off 486 and UV -50.

buju001 said:
Thanks for reply.But now i`m really confused what battery is better:XE battery 1730 or this replacemanet.
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I really don't know - I'd guess an original replacement has somewhat better quality, but I'm not really finding anything wrong with this battery. The only niggle I have is that remaining battery capacity changes on reboots - it might say I have 30% left before rebooting, and then 40% after (I just made those numbers up, but they're pretty representative). It always goes up, though, so I never have less battery remaining than what I'm seeing. I'm guessing this might have something to do with the battery not reporting its actual capacity to the phone (from reading other threads, only original HTC batteries seem to do this), which maybe means the system has to calculate remaining capacity from other factors(?). Still, it doesn't really affect anything.
I've attached a few screenshots I just took, showing some stats and my current usage (as you can see, the phone has been pretty much constantly in use today, mainly web browsing, but some text editing and other stuff too. Always multitasking, several tabs in the browser, and so on. Wifi on all the time, auto brightness, syncing 2 google accounts.). It's currently running at 1728MHz, Badass @performance (918/1188/1728MHz), with [email protected] 320MHz 3D, 266MHz 2D.

Valantar said:
I really don't know - I'd guess an original replacement has somewhat better quality, but I'm not really finding anything wrong with this battery. The only niggle I have is that remaining battery capacity changes on reboots - it might say I have 30% left before rebooting, and then 40% after (I just made those numbers up, but they're pretty representative). It always goes up, though, so I never have less battery remaining than what I'm seeing. I'm guessing this might have something to do with the battery not reporting its actual capacity to the phone (from reading other threads, only original HTC batteries seem to do this), which maybe means the system has to calculate remaining capacity from other factors(?). Still, it doesn't really affect anything.
I've attached a few screenshots I just took, showing some stats and my current usage (as you can see, the phone has been pretty much constantly in use today, mainly web browsing, but some text editing and other stuff too. Always multitasking, several tabs in the browser, and so on. Wifi on all the time, auto brightness, syncing 2 google accounts.). It's currently running at 1728MHz, Badass @performance (918/1188/1728MHz), with [email protected] 320MHz 3D, 266MHz 2D.
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Compared to my results,your is much better and now i`m sure will buy a repleacemant.I have the same "problem" with battery capacity on reboots and now i have original stock 1520mAh htc battery.So how you say,this not a problem.I search and i found original htc xe battery at 18$ with fast courier delivery.What you suggest,i must buy an original htc or this peisen battery?And thank you very much for very good explanation.

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Compared to my results,your is much better and now i`m sure will buy a repleacemant.I have the same "problem" with battery capacity on reboots and now i have original stock 1520mAh htc battery.So how you say,this not a problem.I search and i found original htc xe battery at 18$ with fast courier delivery.What you suggest,i must buy an original htc or this peisen battery?And thank you very much for very good explanation.
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Yeah, I had the same problem - after a year and a few months my battery never lasted a workday even with light use, gaming could drain 30-40% in a matter of minutes, and it got ridiculously hot. I also got random reboots all the time. I concluded that the cheapest fix to try would be a replacement battery, and this solved all my problems
If you can get the stock XE battery at $18 including shipping I'd say that's a bargain, and you should probably go for it. Still, the Pisen battery is ridiculously cheap (and shipping from DX is free, if slow). If you can afford it, i'd buy both, try them out, and keep the least good one as a spare. Never know when you need one

Valantar said:
Yeah, I had the same problem - after a year and a few months my battery never lasted a workday even with light use, gaming could drain 30-40% in a matter of minutes, and it got ridiculously hot. I also got random reboots all the time. I concluded that the cheapest fix to try would be a replacement battery, and this solved all my problems
If you can get the stock XE battery at $18 including shipping I'd say that's a bargain, and you should probably go for it. Still, the Pisen battery is ridiculously cheap (and shipping from DX is free, if slow). If you can afford it, i'd buy both, try them out, and keep the least good one as a spare. Never know when you need one
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Thanks for great reply.I will buy first a stock XE battery cause is an original repleacement and test it and after,maybe if not satisfied i`ll buy and a Peisen battery.Thanks again for help.